What If...

[lcpoketoon]

Ok, I'm sure a lot of you remember the old What If comics from Marvel. I always liked them myself as they would show you what some of the writiers think would have happend diffrently. So I thought those of us here could try it out. Some folks can post their own What If question an others can try too work out a answer too it. Might even spawn some fanfics this way.

So here the First Question, What if There was no Spider-man?

 

[zeebee1]

That's a bit difficult. The timeline is so inconsistent just about anything could happen.

 

[Shiakou]

Not to belittle Spidey's achievements either, but there are so many heroes and villains in Marvel, that the elimination of one might not mean that much of a difference. It's not like there wouldn't be anyone else to step into Spidey's shoes for the more epic stuff, and the day to day stuff just isn't relevant enough.

Of course, you can write a fic where Spidey's non-existence means a lot of heroes he would have otherwise helped ended up dead or something, but that's kinda cliche.

 

[zeebee1]

Spider Man has dealt with many villains, and reformed many of them right away. While they might have been small time, people lives would definitely have been worse off without him. But the big picture is different.

That isn't to say that he is ineffective, or that others would pick up the slack. Spider Man has defeated people he shouldn't have been able to. His record against the Juggernaut is better than any grouping of the X-Men.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Spider Man has dealt with many villains, and reformed many of them right away. While they might have been small time, people lives would definitely have been worse off without him. But the big picture is different.

That isn't to say that he is ineffective, or that others would pick up the slack. Spider Man has defeated people he shouldn't have been able to. His record against the Juggernaut is better than any grouping of the X-Men.

That's because Spidey fought Juggernaut only once. Also, he failed - he set out to prevent him from killing Madame Web, which... he STILL did. And Spidey could do jack about it aside from ineffectively flailing against him.

Sure, he temporarily put him out of commission. The X-Men generally do it BEFORE he kills whoever he's after this time. Not AFTER. Just saying...

 

[byakuryuu]

It's Marvel.

Asspulls are their specialty.

 

[lcpoketoon]

Well I'm not sure about that after all a lot of the problems that old web head stopped he only did becuase he was there as Peter Parker. But If Peter never becomes Spider-man he would never also end up a photo hound for old sourpuss JJ.

One of the things that might happen is his Uncle Ben is still killed an while he doesn't feel the guilt about not stopping the crook he becomes driven to find way too stop them. Most likely useing his mind and create crime fighting devices that coud bring him too th enotice of Nick Fury an get him brought in as a R&D guy for SHIELD. I mean we know he had started too have the idea for his web shooters long before he became spider-man due too the flash back comic they put out some time ago.

 

[zeebee1]

I remember two fights. The Juggernaut lost both of them.

 

[GenocideHeart]

I remember two fights. The Juggernaut lost both of them.

I only remember one, and Juggernaut accomplished what he set out to do, ie reach Madame Web. Peter spectacularly failed to stop him there, so it counts as him failing. Stopping him (temporarily, even, as he broke free a few days later none the worse for the wear) while he's on the way out and lost interest hardly counts as winning. It's like locking the bank up after the robbers got away with the money.

 

[byakuryuu]

If there was no Spider-Man, things would be a lot different.

Marvel would lose a lot of readership, a lot of potential markets, even.

Then again, there would be no 'OMD'.

Then again, Jean Grey WOULD have us covered there...

Damn it, Marvel, enough with the 'back from the dead' thing.

On a side note, the official Marvel website has banned discussions of 'Who do you thing'll be back after they're dead' or variants of it on their official boards.

Hah.

 

[da_fox2279]

I remember two fights. The Juggernaut lost both of them.

I only remember one, and Juggernaut accomplished what he set out to do, ie reach Madame Web. Peter spectacularly failed to stop him there, so it counts as him failing. Stopping him (temporarily, even, as he broke free a few days later none the worse for the wear) while he's on the way out and lost interest hardly counts as winning. It's like locking the bank up after the robbers got away with the money.

True. Don't get me wrong - it was an awesome fight, just to see Spidey manage to get a draw in the end (I would count it a win if he had stopped Juggy before reaching Madame Webb) - but Spidey 'lost the war', there.

And the second fight was in the early 1990's, in Spider-Man. One of McFarlane's last issues done for Marvel, before he left for Image. A Spider-Man/X-Force crossover. I remember, because it was the first & only time I'd ever seen Deadpool - I wouldn't see him again until Civil War.

Speaking of McFarlane, I wish Marvel would put a tpb of the story arc that preceded that cross - you know, Spidey and Wolvering in Canada, hunting the Wendigo, who's been accused of child rape/murder? That was a good story.

Here's one: back in the late 80's/early 90's, Tony Stark was paralized after being shot by a former lover. He had experimental surgery to implant a microchip in his spine that allowed him to walk again. What if he hadn't regained the use of his legs?

 

[zeebee1]

He'd still be Iron Man.

 

[Dreamingfox]

There was one or two issues where Banner tried to cure himself only to get Spiderman infected/infused with the Hulk's powers thus creating Spyder (also known as Spider-Hulk).

What if Spyder (Spider-Hulk) never got cured?

 

[sworded]

A new What If...

Until recently Dr. Doom was having an intimate relationship with <a href='http://marvel.wikia.com/Morgan_le_Fay_(Earth-616)' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Morgan Le Fay</a> by using his time machine to vist her in the past to learn magic from her among other things. Their relationship turned sour when Doom refused to bring her something from the future for fear of contanimating the time stream, but What If Doom accidentaly or purpusely ended up giving her a gift from the future, impregnating her with his first born child?

 

[zeebee1]

Of all the super gorgeous beings in Marvel he picks the comparatively ugly one?

 

[sworded]

Of all the super gorgeous beings in Marvel he picks the comparatively ugly one?

She seems pretty good to me. :sisi:

 

[zeebee1]

Nope, she's only average by Marvel standards.

 

[sworded]

Nope, she's only average by Marvel standards.

And average for those standards is 10/10 right? Cause that's what I see, but I guess you have different tastes than me, which is perfectly fine.

Now do you have any speculations as to what would happen if Victor Von Doom found out he was a father?

 

[zeebee1]

I'm pretty sure he is a father.

 

[sworded]

I'm pretty sure he is a father.

If you're thinking of <a href='http://marvel.wikia.com/Kristoff_Vernard_(Earth-616)' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Kristoff</a> he was adobted by Doom. Doom has had children in other What If situations, but he's never had a confirmed, biological child-many who claim decent froom Doom have in truth been the decendents of Richards.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Valeria Von Doom IS biologically his child, although from an entirely different timeline...

 

[zeebee1]

Is canon Doom a virgin? If so would he blame Reed? And why am I asking a question that I know the answer to?

 

[sworded]

Is canon Doom a virgin? If so would he blame Reed? And why am I asking a question that I know the answer to?

I thought I already put that Doom was having sex with Morgan le Fay in canon, but I can't remember any other official intimate relationships he was involved in.

 

[Tornado Ninja Fan]

What if Spider-Man had the powers of his Japanese incarnation and could summon his giant robot Leopardon?

 

[GenocideHeart]

...Did he just shit a brick in his armor? :lol: