Which is stronger?

[Bill Felix]

Then he obviously wasn't talking about himself, since he didn't have one in the originals.

Yeah. Because there are no Jedi left. What's the point of possessing a tool for humiliating Jedi when all the Jedi are dead?

Since his initial plan was to use Clone Troopers and Anakin Skywalker to kill all of the Jedi anyways, who did he plan to humiliate in the first place?

The only people he fought against were a bunch of mooks (who he one-shot), Mace Windu (who he allowed to essentially humiliate him so he could heel-turn Anakin before blasting him with lightning), and Yoda (who he wasn't planning on fighting).

Hence why I used the term 'shoehorned' since it clearly doesn't belong, doesn't make sense, and ultimately makes no difference.

 

[toraneko]

It makes perfect sense, actually.

The Mace Windu fight wasn't one he was sure he could win; he gambled on Anakin something fierce. Mace was pretty much considered the most deadly lightsaber-wielder in the galaxy at that point, and had the mindset that a Sith Master is never unarmed, therefore striking down Palpatine whether he had a lightsaber or not wouldn't have chafed the Council's sensibilities.
Going without a lightsaber would have been suicide for Palpy, pure and simple.

The "mooks", as you named them, were Jedi Masters Saesee Tiin, Agen Kolar, and Kit Fisto, none of whom were considered weaklings. If Palpatine hadn't had his lightsaber, he would never have succeeded at his surprise attack on them, and would have been overwhelmed by their combined efforts. It just makes sense for Palpatine to have one.

 

[Bill Felix]

It makes perfect sense, actually.

The Mace Windu fight wasn't one he was sure he could win; he gambled on Anakin something fierce. Mace was pretty much considered the most deadly lightsaber-wielder in the galaxy at that point, and had the mindset that a Sith Master is never unarmed, therefore striking down Palpatine whether he had a lightsaber or not wouldn't have chafed the Council's sensibilities.
Going without a lightsaber would have been suicide for Palpy, pure and simple.

The "mooks", as you named them, were Jedi Masters Saesee Tiin, Agen Kolar, and Kit Fisto, none of whom were considered weaklings. If Palpatine hadn't had his lightsaber, he would never have succeeded at his surprise attack on them, and would have been overwhelmed by their combined efforts. It just makes sense for Palpatine to have one.

How is a lightsaber considered a surprise attack over the force? A force attack occurs in an instant, whereas a lightsaber has to be drawn and positioned in plain sight of one's opponent.

Didn't they once state that Sidious had the ability to level entire fleets of starships with the force? By that logic, he could have just broken those 'mooks' in half.

I called them 'mooks' because to one who didn't read the EU, they're basically no-name guys who get dispatched by Sidious without effort.

Then again, every Jedi who isn't Qui-Gon, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Windu are 'mooks' to me. Even Ki Adi Mundi and Faila Secura.

But if what you said was true, then they kinda suck. Because they got caught off-guard by someone using Jedi lightsaber styles that were still in practice and they were the guys who Mace Windu hand-picked to go and fight a Sith Lord.

By that logic, there should have been no way they'd be caught off guard, unless they sucked ass.

 

[toraneko]

How is a lightsaber considered a surprise attack over the force? A force attack occurs in an instant, whereas a lightsaber has to be drawn and positioned in plain sight of one's opponent.

1. Lightsaber iai-jutsu. Palpatine was a master of it; the few games where he's playable show that.

2. Force attacks aren't as instantaneous as you'd believe, especially against other force-users.

3. Don't discount the usefulness of a lightsaber over the flashy magical shit. Lots of Jedi and Sith alike fell prey to that thinking, and got diced for it.

Didn't they once state that Sidious had the ability to level entire fleets of starships with the force? By that logic, he could have just broken those 'mooks' in half.

If they did, it was probably either a legend, or Imperial propaganda. The closest thing to that is Naga Sadow's trick of making a star go supernova.

I called them 'mooks' because to one who didn't read the EU, they're basically no-name guys who get dispatched by Sidious without effort.

By the time of Episode III's release, the EU had flourished so much that they had to nod to the EU fans. Nevertheless, Kit Fisto, at least, was present at the Jedi Council back in Ep I, if I remember correctly.

Then again, every Jedi who isn't Qui-Gon, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Windu are 'mooks' to me. Even Ki Adi Mundi and Faila Secura.

*toraneko?sighs.
Okay then.

But if what you said was true, then they kinda suck. Because they got caught off-guard by someone using Jedi lightsaber styles that were still in practice and they were the guys who Mace Windu hand-picked to go and fight a Sith Lord.

By that logic, there should have been no way they'd be caught off guard, unless they sucked ass.

Recall that even Yoda was stating how "clouded" the Light Side of the Force had become. Palpatine was fucking with Jedi Force perception on a grand scale, and the Jedi of that time were actually too contemplative and not action-oriented enough (thus Qui-Gon's shitlisting by the Council), so with their Force ability and precognition dampened, they were easier pickings than they would be otherwise.
In a lightsaber fight, Force connection is the difference between you chopping off your enemy's hand, or them chopping you in two. Most of the time, non-Force sensitive folks using a lightsaber will maim themselves.

It's also worth mentioning that many of the best Jedi of the age were lost to the war, and of the remainder, most of them had been out on missions at the time, thanks to Palpatine's scheming. Windu had to pick the best of what was left, he was lucky with what he had, but they pretty much all underestimated just how bad Palpy could fuck them up.

 

[Bill Felix]

Recall that even Yoda was stating how "clouded" the Light Side of the Force had become. Palpatine was fucking with Jedi Force perception on a grand scale, and the Jedi of that time were actually too contemplative and not action-oriented enough (thus Qui-Gon's shitlisting by the Council), so with their Force ability and precognition dampened, they were easier pickings than they would be otherwise.
In a lightsaber fight, Force connection is the difference between you chopping off your enemy's hand, or them chopping you in two. Most of the time, non-Force sensitive folks using a lightsaber will maim themselves.

It's also worth mentioning that many of the best Jedi of the age were lost to the war, and of the remainder, most of them had been out on missions at the time, thanks to Palpatine's scheming. Windu had to pick the best of what was left, he was lucky with what he had, but they pretty much all underestimated just how bad Palpy could fuck them up.

So if they had their force precognition and ability dampened, wouldn't they be equally as susceptible to force attacks?

*toraneko sighs.
Okay then.

Sorry. We don't share the same love of the EU, I guess.


You pretty much convinced me on the rest.

 

[Kibbles]

Didn't they once state that Sidious had the ability to level entire fleets of starships with the force? By that logic, he could have just broken those 'mooks' in half.

If they did, it was probably either a legend, or Imperial propaganda. The closest thing to that is Naga Sadow's trick of making a star go supernova.

Wankatine, Dark Empire series. Overall not very good, but Palpatine (aside from it being the first, IIRC, demonstration of his clone body possession trick to immortality) showed an ability to wipe out fleets and teleport people from one place to another using Force wormholes.

Apparently, those things had enough pull that it started dragging vehicles from the ground to it's own location in orbit. Unlike Naga Sadow he didn't need no Meditation Sphere or modified battleship to pull that trick off.

I would posit a theory where Palpatine exploited the hell out of his resurrection technique to pull off things on such a massive scale. After all, Force users can trade in their lives for a temporary, massive, power boost. Palpatine, by virtue of jumping to a new body, would have the advantage of being able to do it repeatedly.

 

[toraneko]

So if they had their force precognition and ability dampened, wouldn't they be equally as susceptible to force attacks?

Probably still too slow.

One thing I'd speculate on is, the Jedi were probably expecting him to pull sparkly Dark Side Force stuff. Palpatine, being a really good exploiter of all things Jedi, would have known this, and went with the lightsaber attacks to get the element of surprise.

Without their Force precognition revealing Palpatine's deceptive tactics, the Masters would only be left with his killing intent to go on - which, all told, isn't much of a giveaway when you're a Sith Lord and your opponents are fully aware of this.

Again, speculation, but it fits, I think.

(stuff)

Right, forgot about that ridiculousness. Still, it does sorta make sense, if you tilt your head, cross your eyes, and squint really hard.

Could also be the case that, without having to essentially maintain Battle Meditation over a sizable portion of the galaxy, and with a younger body to handle the strain, Palpatine was freed to pull all kinds of bullshit with the Dark Side.

Also, wasn't he on his own personal Uber Star Destroyer at the time? There's money on that thing being worked with Sith sorcery to enhance his power.

 

[Kibbles]

Also, wasn't he on his own personal Uber Star Destroyer at the time? There's money on that thing being worked with Sith sorcery to enhance his power.

The Eclipse-class Star Dreadnought was an off-shoot of the Death Star project. Essentially, a more sensible Dreadnought design with a Death Star superlaser spinal mount. It was the Starfleet's own vapourware project that lounged about in shipyards being designed and redesigned and rebuilt for quite a few years. The Imperial Starfleet didn't like the Death Star, but they did like the idea of a big gun capable of one-shotting enemy ships so the Eclipse came about ... and the Sovereign-class. Two Eclipses were built, four Sovereigns planned (none finished).

The Eclipse II (after the original got blown up) was rapidly built to the specs of the original ... then got blown up itself.

As far as I know, no Force silliness involved.

 

[Deathwings]

You know, looking at what Sidious could pull off, it kind of make me think that the Sith have it right : the Dark Side really is much, MUCH more powerful then the Light.

 

[Crusader]

The Eclipse-class Star Dreadnought was an off-shoot of the Death Star project. Essentially, a more sensible Dreadnought design with a Death Star superlaser spinal mount. It was the Starfleet's own vapourware project that lounged about in shipyards being designed and redesigned and rebuilt for quite a few years. The Imperial Starfleet didn't like the Death Star, but they did like the idea of a big gun capable of one-shotting enemy ships so the Eclipse came about ... and the Sovereign-class. Two Eclipses were built, four Sovereigns planned (none finished).

The Eclipse II (after the original got blown up) was rapidly built to the specs of the original ... then got blown up itself.

Didn't Tyber Zann go Grand Theft Star Destroyer once by stealing the Eclipse and having some fun with its superlaser? I wonder if Palpatine got a laugh out of that one when he was out of the cloning vat.

 

[Lord Raine]

Then he obviously wasn't talking about himself, since he didn't have one in the originals.

Yeah. Because there are no Jedi left. What's the point of possessing a tool for humiliating Jedi when all the Jedi are dead?

Since his initial plan was to use Clone Troopers and Anakin Skywalker to kill all of the Jedi anyways, who did he plan to humiliate in the first place?

The only people he fought against were a bunch of mooks (who he one-shot), Mace Windu (who he allowed to essentially humiliate him so he could heel-turn Anakin before blasting him with lightning), and Yoda (who he wasn't planning on fighting).

Hence why I used the term 'shoehorned' since it clearly doesn't belong, doesn't make sense, and ultimately makes no difference.

Except he didn't. He never expected the 'good' Masters to go down to the troopers. They're freaking Jedi Masters. Palpatine is a master of the Force. He knows that the Force lets you catch glimpses of what is about to happen in your immediate future if you're focusing on the Force. He didn't expect the troopers to kill all the Jedi. He created his plan with the assumption that most of the Masters and some of the Knights would escape. And he was correct. Some Jedi were using the Force at the time of the order, and saw it coming with enough time to fight back and escape. Some Jedi were just so in-tune to the Force (sup Yoda) that they saw it coming anyway. Some Jedi weren't on missions with any troopers at all. And some Jedi just got lucky (sup Kota). The rest died.

So no. Palpatine anticipated there being a 'Jedi Hunt' after the Order was given. He had already planned that Vader would have to hunt them down, and he had known that if the Jedi were going to try and strike back immediately afterwards, the logical move would be to attempt to assassinate him. So he had the lightsaber up until then, and kept it past then, but once he was certain that all of the Jedi who posed an actual threat were dead, he stopped making use of it.

Also, it was unknown to pretty much everyone that Palpatine was a Sith, or even capable of using the Force. If he had a fucking lightsaber, it MIGHT tip some people off.

The "mooks", as you named them, were Jedi Masters Saesee Tiin, Agen Kolar, and Kit Fisto, none of whom were considered weaklings.

Do note as well that Fisto and Saesee were considered to be Windu's peers in lightsaber combat. Saesee was full-stop the best lightsaber master the Jedi Order had, barring Windu himself, and Fisto could fight Saesee and Windu in a spar and hold his own.

If Palpatine hadn't gotten lucky with his surprise attack, he would have gotten RAPED. That's all there is to it.

Then again, every Jedi who isn't Qui-Gon

How is QUI-GON not a mook? He's named and has some plot attached to him. That's basically all he is. He exists because someone needed to be The Jedi Who Mentored Obi-Wan.

One thing I'd speculate on is, the Jedi were probably expecting him to pull sparkly Dark Side Force stuff. Palpatine, being a really good exploiter of all things Jedi, would have known this, and went with the lightsaber attacks to get the element of surprise.

That, and they had three of the best lightsaber masters in the Order with them at the time. They probably weren't expecting it just out of the sheer confidence that there was no way in hell they could lose a lightsaber battle. You'd have to be crazy as fuck to pull a lightsaber on them.

Palpatine, being the manipulative bastard that he was, knew this, and totally pulled a lightsaber on them.

Right, forgot about that ridiculousness. Still, it does sorta make sense, if you tilt your head, cross your eyes, and squint really hard.

Could also be the case that, without having to essentially maintain Battle Meditation over a sizable portion of the galaxy, and with a younger body to handle the strain, Palpatine was freed to pull all kinds of bullshit with the Dark Side.

Also, wasn't he on his own personal Uber Star Destroyer at the time? There's money on that thing being worked with Sith sorcery to enhance his power.

Don't forget that Palpatine was a master of Sith Alchemy, and learned from the guy who was the best Sith Alchemist EVER?.

I will eat my keyboard if Palpatine didn't use Sith Alchemy to modify his clone bodies. It's notable that he only started pulling of the really ridiculous bullshit after he started jumping into clone bodies.

You know, looking at what Sidious could pull off, it kind of make me think that the Sith have it right : the Dark Side really is much, MUCH more powerful then the Light.

The Force amplifies emotions. That's why emotional control is so important. You can gain immense power by creating a kind of 'feedback loop' in the Force, where the Force amplifies your emotions, which you then feed back into the Force, which cause it to happen over and over again. However, some emotions aren't as. . . productive as others. Anger in the Force will give you great power. That's basically the entire point behind the Sith Berserkers. They will tear lightsaber-armed Jedi to pieces with vanilla swords and their bare hands. But they lose themselves in the anger, and become little more than beasts.

The Dark Side can produce superficially stronger displays of the Force, especially when in the hands of a true Master. But the Dark Side will make your emotions eat you from the inside out. It will consume you. The Light Side of the Force isn't weaker. It's just less flashy.

Also, the end user has a hell of a lot to do with it, even more so than the side being used. Starkiller slam-dunked a Star Destroyer with basic Force Kinesis. Yoda was pulling Federation ships out of the sky with the Force during the Clone Wars. Luke is capable of some absolutely RIDICULOUS bullshit when he wants to be, he's just humble and values discretion over flaunting strength.

A lot of it probably has a lot less to do with it being the Dark Side, and a lot more to do with the fact that Palpatine was just that good, above and beyond what side of the Force he chose to use. Remember that whole "size matters not in the Force" spiel of Yoda's? Yeah, that's not actually true. And Yoda knows it. It's just a maxim the Jedi use to encourage the Padawans and Younglings to do their absolute best, to never give up, and to truly believe in the Force. Size does matter. Some people are just stronger in the Force, and that's all there is to it. Palpatine was one of the individuals who was way, waaay on the far end of the "Gifted" side of the scale. He wasn't in Revan's baseball park by any means, but he was trying really hard to get there.

 

[nintendokid]

Do note as well that Fisto and Saesee were considered to be Windu's peers in lightsaber combat. Saesee was full-stop the best lightsaber master the Jedi Order had, barring Windu himself, and Fisto could fight Saesee and Windu in a spar and hold his own.

Saesee wasn't the best lightsaber wielder in the order. He probably wasn't even top 50. He was, however, basically the best pilot they had aside from Anakin, which is probably what you're confusing.

Fisto was good though, but his style was known to be specifically weak against other lightsaber forms because it was created with disabling/disarming in mind rather than wholesale slaughter.

Agen Kolar, the other dude with them, was also a pretty ace swordsman, but not on the level of Windu or Palpatine.

As for the comment on the Jedi being loser for falling to a known style. It's highly probable that Palps was using a variation of Form VII, which is more or less the exact opposite of a known style. It was long forgotten by the Jedi, and only sort of reinvented by Windu. There's a reason Darth Maul tore shit up so easily against Jinn and Kenobi. Jinn was notably considered to be the second best Form IV user in the order, after Yoda himself, and he was completely incapable of fending off Maul.

 

[toraneko]

Fisto was good though, but his style was known to be specifically weak against other lightsaber forms because it was created with disabling/disarming in mind rather than wholesale slaughter.

Close. Form I (of which Fisto was essentially considered the grandmaster) was the most basic form of lightsaber combat, created back when Jedi were the only ones who had lightsabers. It is pretty defensive, yes, but isn't really designed with saber-on-saber combat in mind.

When the Sith started using them, lightsaber-users found Form I - designed to take on large numbers of opponents armed with more conventional weapons - inadequate for the task, so they created Form II (Dooku's fencing style) to address this.

Form I is basically kendou with lightsabers - regimented, basic, lacking in specialization, but dangerous in the hands of someone who really knows what they're doing.

Agen Kolar, the other dude with them, was also a pretty ace swordsman, but not on the level of Windu or Palpatine.

Windu thought very highly of Kolar's martial skill, actually; it was almost a specialization for him.

I'd argue that Palpatine thought of Kolar as second place in his list of "how much of a threat do these four Jedi pose to me". Windu's h4x at saber combat, so Palpy decided to kill Kolar first and thus be rid of the next-biggest threat, so that he could concentrate more on the other three.

If he'd used the element of surprise to kill Saesee Tiin first, then he'd have three dangerous combatants breathing down his neck, rather than one guy he can't 1HKO (Fisto), one guy who might be able to kill him (Windu), and one pilot with a gift for telepathy (Tiin, aka "The Third Wheel").

 

[Crusader]

Didn't Asajj Ventress manage to wound Kit Fisto once, but lost the battle to Obi-Wan Kenobi, and that she earlier managed to hold her own against Mace Windu for a short while until she realized that a quick getaway was in order?

 

[zeebee1]

From what I remember by the time bacta came into use the kolto had lost it's power. There is no where to compare the true capabilities due to mutations.

 

[Chuckg]

Wasn't another factor with Dark Empire Wankatine that he had the entire population of Byss to draw Dark Side energy from? Dude was totally using boosts.

 

[Lord Raine]

I would answer that with some facts that I happen to know, but Dork Lord Moldyshorts stopped me from doing it. Maybe next time, you should ask Sasgay for help instead.

 

[ttestagr]

Palpatine was totally using Ataru. Look at the similarities between him fighting Windu and Yoda fighting him. They are using the same basic style, lots of movement and attacking from multiple angles. Windu used Vapaad to shut that down and then just overwhelm him.

Of course, the idea of Samuel Jackson as a swordmaster is laughable since he's so awkward and terrible with a blade.

As for the fallout of killing him, it wouldn't have been bad. Remember that the entire thing was caught on tape. We see Obi-wan and Yoda watch the end of it when Anakin swore allegiance to the Sith. What is more, they watched it from their Temple, so it was accessible to them. So they have video evidence of them arresting Palpatine on the accusation of being a Sith, and then him totally being a Sith and killing the hell out of most of them.

And you can't even say Palpatine was unarmed, since you know, lightning from his fingertips moments before he gets fricasseed.

 

[Jeopardizer]

Question:

In most fanfic, we see the Jedi draw on the force or release whatever in it like, 83.7% of the time (when it's not angst/hurt/angst/twilight/comfort). Is it canon that you can't sort out/manage your sentiments/temper like a normal human(xeno) being anymore as soon as you become padawan?

 

[Kibbles]

Question:

In most fanfic, we see the Jedi draw on the force or release whatever in it like, 83.7% of the time (when it's not angst/hurt/angst/twilight/comfort). Is it canon that you can't sort out/manage your sentiments/temper like a normal human(xeno) being anymore as soon as you become padawan?

IIRC no (though it's been awhile since I've been in touch with the EU, assume I don't know anything around and after the Vong with the exception of Legacy (the comic)). Essentially, it's a matter of the way Jedi padawans and apprentices are raised.

They aren't wired to deal with emotional issues. The whole releasing into the Force thing can easily be explained as breathing exercises and such, not literally. An expression, not to be taken literally (like navel gazing, it doesn't mean you're necessarily gazing at your navel, no?). They're, essentially, ascetic monks pursuing a philosophy of self-discovery and introspection. Also, helping others, but only so often.

Finally, it's mostly a light side/dark side issue. The dark side is about passion, drawing on the Force while emotional counts, no matter how small an infraction it may be. Thus, a Jedi must be calm and clear of mind in order not to draw on the wrong power source. Of course, Jedi training during the last millenium of the Old Republic was fundamentally flawed and the moment a Jedi got emotionally invested (and wasn't careful about what they were doing/thinking) it was straight downhill from there.

 

[Jeopardizer]

They aren't wired to deal with emotional issues. The whole releasing into the Force thing can easily be explained as breathing exercises and such, not literally. An expression, not to be taken literally (like navel gazing, it doesn't mean you're necessarily gazing at your navel, no?).

Thanks, I didn't think about that.

(The rest I knew more or less, it just seemed a little like the jedi learned to walk with crutches and couldn't walk without anymore.)

 

[Kibbles]

(The rest I knew more or less, it just seemed a little like the jedi learned to walk with crutches and couldn't walk without anymore.)

They can't. I mean, look at the hardier Jedi Order from the Mandalorian Wars (at least when compared to the later post-Ruin/Ruusan order). A lot of Jedi survived the destruction of Malachor, only one didn't immediately commit suicide (or die shortly thereafter). The Exile wasn't special in surviving the event itself, the Exile was special in that she survived the event and kept on going without the Force.

Alternately, you can look at the later events when Thrawn broke out the Ysalamiri when Jedi were generally rendered useless on the spot (with the honourable exception of people who were badass before they became Jedi).

It's kind of the whole point of Darth Traya's teachings ... Jedi (and Sith) cannot live without the Force no matter how much they claim otherwise. Which, of course, leads her to the hilariously crazy conclusion of: kill the Force, but that's a whole 'nother ballgame.

 

[Jeopardizer]

Why? Is it because of their use of the force or is it like an inate flaw?

I know little of the EU, but from what I know there is a lot of force sensitives (people, entire tribes or races) and there is the kids who have the potential to become force-users but didn't receive the teachings (not found by the temple or w/e). Would they die too (wich I doubt, as every creature seems to be connected to the force)? Or is using the force like doing drugs and stopping like a particulary tough detox?

(I searched (admittedly not too long) and I didn't found :/)



Edit: And I just thought of a crack-AU where the order of jedi are a cult of addict, the sith crack-dealers, and in the middle of this the Empire is at loss at how to deal with all these junkies.

 

[Kibbles]

Why? Is it because of their use of the force or is it like an inate flaw?

I know little of the EU, but from what I know there is a lot of force sensitives (people, entire tribes or races) and there is the kids who have the potential to become force-users but didn't receive the teachings (not found by the temple or w/e). Would they die too (wich I doubt, as every creature seems to be connected to the force)? Or is using the force like doing drugs and stopping like a particulary tough detox?

A closer analogy would be total sensory deprivation, combined with limb amputation. A Force user (well, any trained one, since untrained one only have flashes of instinct or the occasional prophetic dream) sees the universe differently. Like Yoda says, they see beyond the flesh, ranging from emotions to thoughts to health ... all of it, all the time for entire planets and systems. On normal, Jedi perception encompasses roughly a city block and that's without really trying hard.

This, as said, applies to trained Force Users (whether conventional Jedi/Sith or an independent tradition is irrelevant). Force-sensitive races work similarly. Exceptional reflexes, deep insight, empathy it's not something they're consciously aware of. Some are, of course. It's impossible for Miraluka to ignore their sensitivity (given that they use the Force to see), but they aren't trained enough to be at risk, given that they only really utilize the Force narrowly.

Thus, surviving getting cut off from the Force requires someone with the mental constitution to shrug of really, really traumatic experiences (not to mention that in, for example, Malachor's example, each Jedi felt the death of every single individual that died there, separately ... which is what made Alderaan and Carida so disturbing for Force Users).

Finally, regarding numbers, they're rarer than you'd think. Certainly, selective breeding has produced entire groups with Force sensitivity (there's, for example, a group primitive tribes on a long abandoned world who are all Force sensitive, being descended from Jedi stranded on the planet after the Sith blew up the Cron cluster) but overall ... statistically speaking Earth's entire population today would be able to produce one, maybe two, sensitives significant enough to be chosen for training. That's overall, not per generation. One or two per seven billion. Seriously, the Jedi order never numbered more than one or two hundred thousand at their peak and that's with an entire galaxy of quintillions of people at their disposal (within the Republic, those outside the Republic don't count as the order's recruiting pool).