Ranma ½ Who'd make great parents?
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And you pretty much nailed why I didn't go with the "But Ranma 1/2 is set in the late 80s-90s" argument.
Having said that, you're misinterpreting what I am saying as regards the punishment issue. What I'm saying is that the purpose of punishing a child is to give them a sense of direction for their morality. So that they learn what is and what is not appropriate behaviour. If the child will not listen to reason, or performs an action that would be considered reprehensible for anybody else, then and only then does something like smacking the child, in the area least likely to inflict permanent physical harm, become remotely acceptable. As an example of a reprehensible action, bullying a three year old.
I'm not saying that all criminals are sick. My point is simply that if they commited a crime because of a faulty sense of morality, it's far too late to change that. Therefore, punishing them for the same reason you punish a child is an entirely useless endeavour. Children have a much easier time learning new things than adults. It's been proven through studies, don't you know. Neural pruning and all that.
Having said that, you're misinterpreting what I am saying as regards the punishment issue. What I'm saying is that the purpose of punishing a child is to give them a sense of direction for their morality. So that they learn what is and what is not appropriate behaviour. If the child will not listen to reason, or performs an action that would be considered reprehensible for anybody else, then and only then does something like smacking the child, in the area least likely to inflict permanent physical harm, become remotely acceptable. As an example of a reprehensible action, bullying a three year old.
I'm not saying that all criminals are sick. My point is simply that if they commited a crime because of a faulty sense of morality, it's far too late to change that. Therefore, punishing them for the same reason you punish a child is an entirely useless endeavour. Children have a much easier time learning new things than adults. It's been proven through studies, don't you know. Neural pruning and all that.
Taro's arrogant. He'd think the name he picked was absolutely awesome, and he wouldn't want his child to suffer from a terrible, inferior name, even if they can't appreciate it. And so the cycle continues. Taro's spawn's only hope is to be delivered by someone other than Taro, since it seems fairly clear that Taro still respects the laws of his tribe, despite loathing the name they've stuck him with and lengths he has to go through to change it.
Edit: Admittedly, some of that would depend on who Taro wound up having said spawn with.
Edit: Admittedly, some of that would depend on who Taro wound up having said spawn with.
And that would pretty much depend on him getting his name changed.
Given the way his life seems to go, if he managed that he'd probably be okay... Remember that arc where he rescued three beautiful girls on after the other?
... Actually, I'm kind of surprised/glad that we don't see too many Taro/Rouge fics.
Given the way his life seems to go, if he managed that he'd probably be okay... Remember that arc where he rescued three beautiful girls on after the other?
... Actually, I'm kind of surprised/glad that we don't see too many Taro/Rouge fics.
Okay Ezit. Explain to me at which age a person magically grows resistant to corporal punishment.
Or better yet let me say it. Never If a child can link Doing a bad thing=Pain then an adult can do it to.
Or you mean that adults can't learn anything? Good to know. We can begin to tell Obama that he is to old to have learnt to use bloggs in his campain. We can then tell everyone that wasn't born in the 80's or later to stop trying to use internet as they will never learn to do that.
Or better yet let me say it. Never If a child can link Doing a bad thing=Pain then an adult can do it to.
Or you mean that adults can't learn anything? Good to know. We can begin to tell Obama that he is to old to have learnt to use bloggs in his campain. We can then tell everyone that wasn't born in the 80's or later to stop trying to use internet as they will never learn to do that.
I was born in 1990, and I was a moderately horrible child that did all sorts of absurd things. My parents both tried to beat sense into me.
I have turned out to be the most amoral person I've ever met. The only reason I don't commit crimes is because I don't want to risk getting caught. Not because I have some sort of internal moral compass.
The only thing I've ever developed vaguely similar to morality is a very high appreciation for loyalty, truth, and contract. I try my very best not to break those. However I place very little value on anything else. Especially the things my parents tried to convince me of. (They didn't actually tell me about any of these principles I try to hold to.)
Beating me didn't work at all. Physical pain is ignorable. I was always the smallest and weakest person in my age growing up. Yet I never cared about being hit. After a while the pain just fades. The first hit hurts, but as more follow each hit is just a tingling sensation that is hardly painful at all.
I have turned out to be the most amoral person I've ever met. The only reason I don't commit crimes is because I don't want to risk getting caught. Not because I have some sort of internal moral compass.
The only thing I've ever developed vaguely similar to morality is a very high appreciation for loyalty, truth, and contract. I try my very best not to break those. However I place very little value on anything else. Especially the things my parents tried to convince me of. (They didn't actually tell me about any of these principles I try to hold to.)
Beating me didn't work at all. Physical pain is ignorable. I was always the smallest and weakest person in my age growing up. Yet I never cared about being hit. After a while the pain just fades. The first hit hurts, but as more follow each hit is just a tingling sensation that is hardly painful at all.
Synaptic. Pruning.
There. Please pay particular attention to the section on maturation phases in humans. Did I say it became impossible to learn new things? No. I said it was harder for adults to learn entirely new things than children. Sure, the adults have an easier time extending on knowledge that is already existing, but the child will have a much easier time, say, picking up a new language. Learning basic maths concepts. Learning right from wrong.
In essence, I guess my point is that if you want to apply the punishment method of teaching to a jailed criminal, go right ahead. It'll take a lot longer before his behaviour modifies long term, and he'll be in a lot more pain than any toddler with a smacked bottom would ever be. Before you noticed any kind of noticable difference.
Also, inverted Helix's example demonstrates why I specified moderation as an essential part of the process.
There. Please pay particular attention to the section on maturation phases in humans. Did I say it became impossible to learn new things? No. I said it was harder for adults to learn entirely new things than children. Sure, the adults have an easier time extending on knowledge that is already existing, but the child will have a much easier time, say, picking up a new language. Learning basic maths concepts. Learning right from wrong.
In essence, I guess my point is that if you want to apply the punishment method of teaching to a jailed criminal, go right ahead. It'll take a lot longer before his behaviour modifies long term, and he'll be in a lot more pain than any toddler with a smacked bottom would ever be. Before you noticed any kind of noticable difference.
Also, inverted Helix's example demonstrates why I specified moderation as an essential part of the process.
I'm not sure if even Taro has much hope for his name being changed these days...when the Rouge arc happened, he didn't even try to find Happosai, and it was implied in the incident you mentioned that he just kind of snapped due to all of that just piling up on him...I mean, three girls right in a row...
That said, even without his name-related issues, while Taro made a favorable initial impression on them, it's hard to say how long that would actually last. Taro seems to be foul-mouthed, arrogant, egotistical, and something of a bastard. While he has a few heroic impulses, or at least the impulse to try and win over women in the hopes that they won't ask inconvenient questions about his name...well, I suppose if he met the right girl, she might put up with him, dreams of global domination and all.
As for Taro/Rouge, frankly, I'm not surprised...Rouge was a very minor character, only showed up for one arc in the manga, and not at all in the anime, which many people are going off of rather than the manga, and very rarely shows up in Ranma 1/2 fanfiction at all, and Taro, while a bit more present, doesn't exactly have a lot of screentime in Ranma 1/2 fanfiction. When both are present, though, they usually seem to wind up together, though, in all honesty, I have my doubts about how well they'd get along, since she seems to cordially loathe him, even if that technically was a misunderstanding. Rouge has her share of mental issues as well, despite her outwardly normal demeanor, and, as has been shown, doesn't hesitate to unleash her other side at all.
That said, even without his name-related issues, while Taro made a favorable initial impression on them, it's hard to say how long that would actually last. Taro seems to be foul-mouthed, arrogant, egotistical, and something of a bastard. While he has a few heroic impulses, or at least the impulse to try and win over women in the hopes that they won't ask inconvenient questions about his name...well, I suppose if he met the right girl, she might put up with him, dreams of global domination and all.
As for Taro/Rouge, frankly, I'm not surprised...Rouge was a very minor character, only showed up for one arc in the manga, and not at all in the anime, which many people are going off of rather than the manga, and very rarely shows up in Ranma 1/2 fanfiction at all, and Taro, while a bit more present, doesn't exactly have a lot of screentime in Ranma 1/2 fanfiction. When both are present, though, they usually seem to wind up together, though, in all honesty, I have my doubts about how well they'd get along, since she seems to cordially loathe him, even if that technically was a misunderstanding. Rouge has her share of mental issues as well, despite her outwardly normal demeanor, and, as has been shown, doesn't hesitate to unleash her other side at all.
Hardly. I'm actually a fan of the series overall. Akane has flaws, just like every other character in the series. I just don't like how people seem to play up the flaws of that one character like she's the anti-christ. It bugs me as a fan, but it also bugs me as a fan of narrative, and as an aspiring writer. It's horribly unfair, and if it seems as though I defend Akane a lot more than other characters, that's because she's picked on the most out of every single character in the entirety of the series. Make an unfair comment about someone else, and I'll jump on it. That I promise.
Except being beaten and sticking your hand on a stove is quite different.
So long as you know they won't kill you it doesn't matter. I was afraid of being beaten up until I realized that they wouldn't kill me. Then the threat lost meaning. No matter whether it hurt or left me sore, humans heal so long as they survive and I could safely stop caring.
The stove will inflict permanent irreversible damage if you leave your hand on it. This doesn't stop people from touching objects that are really hot in efforts to build up heat tolerance though.
Animals can be trained by pain well enough. Humans will sometimes do the exact opposite just because they know you are trying to train them.
So long as you know they won't kill you it doesn't matter. I was afraid of being beaten up until I realized that they wouldn't kill me. Then the threat lost meaning. No matter whether it hurt or left me sore, humans heal so long as they survive and I could safely stop caring.
The stove will inflict permanent irreversible damage if you leave your hand on it. This doesn't stop people from touching objects that are really hot in efforts to build up heat tolerance though.
Animals can be trained by pain well enough. Humans will sometimes do the exact opposite just because they know you are trying to train them.
Alright, fine. I'll agree to disagree with you on this. We're not likely to get anywhere in this argument, and quite frankly it's getting dull. Also I wanna watch the last Futurama DVD which my brother just brought in.
I think it's okay in moderation, you think people that so much as tap their kids should burn in hell. Can we leave it at that and move on?
Oh, one final thing actually. While I do believe that spanking is okay in moderation, that's only really because it won't generally leave any kind of permanent physical damage. Anything above that is wrong. A slap? Wrong. Cracking two kids heads together (which my dad did to me and my brother at such a bad angle my head almost hit the pavement)? Wrong.
I think it's okay in moderation, you think people that so much as tap their kids should burn in hell. Can we leave it at that and move on?
Oh, one final thing actually. While I do believe that spanking is okay in moderation, that's only really because it won't generally leave any kind of permanent physical damage. Anything above that is wrong. A slap? Wrong. Cracking two kids heads together (which my dad did to me and my brother at such a bad angle my head almost hit the pavement)? Wrong.
Personally I'm very much a fan of corporal punishment, and approve of beating your children as punishment. I just don't think it actually discourages them.
I think that corporal punishment should be meant to remove a person's ability to commit the crime again in the future.
Beating children is simply so they know that there is in fact a price to doing something. And helps train them in how not to get caught... oh wait, that isn't a good thing is it?
I think that corporal punishment should be meant to remove a person's ability to commit the crime again in the future.
Beating children is simply so they know that there is in fact a price to doing something. And helps train them in how not to get caught... oh wait, that isn't a good thing is it?
Actaully writing sentances is far more effective. Trust me, you write "I will not loose my fathers library card ever agian" 450,000 times and you will quickly come around to never ever misplacing something that belongs to someone else again.
Anyone can have thier kid write 100 times about not doing something, It's only effective when the numbers get creative.
there was another time that I had to write, "I will not beat on my brother without permission." i had to do that one 6,419 times.
You may think i'm full of it for the wierd numbers but that's why i remember writening them, well that and my hand ached for weeks afterwards.
Though I suppose it is amusing that the heavier displinary action was for the lost library card, I know I've always gotten a kick out of it
Anyone can have thier kid write 100 times about not doing something, It's only effective when the numbers get creative.
there was another time that I had to write, "I will not beat on my brother without permission." i had to do that one 6,419 times.
You may think i'm full of it for the wierd numbers but that's why i remember writening them, well that and my hand ached for weeks afterwards.
Though I suppose it is amusing that the heavier displinary action was for the lost library card, I know I've always gotten a kick out of it