X-Men Origins: Wolverine

spooky316

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#1
Yes, if you haven't heard yet, Deadpool B) is going to be in the Wolverine movie that comes out in 2009. He's going to be played by Ryan Reynolds.

In honor of this I'm going to go watch the Deadpool fan movie.
 

Lord Raine

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#2
It's either going to Win harder than anything has ever Won before, or Fail harder than we ever thought possible.

If they pull Deadpool off right. . . it will be Epic.
 

spooky316

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#3
Lord Raine said:
It's either going to Win harder than anything has ever Won before, or Fail harder than we ever thought possible.

If they pull Deadpool off right. . . it will be Epic.
Agreed. And I think Ryan Reynolds has the ability to pull Wade off really well.
 

Pridefall

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#4
I saw a screen from the movie, and Deadpool looks like utter fail. I reaaally do hope they get the guy right, though.
 

Lord Raine

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#5
Pridefall said:
I saw a screen from the movie, and Deadpool looks like utter fail. I reaaally do hope they get the guy right, though.
Do you have a link? I. . . I need to see this. My soul demands it. I hope you understand what I mean when I say I cannot take a secondhand Fail on this one. Not for Deadpool. I need to see it for myself.
 

Pridefall

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#7
Incoming 56k Rapeage. The screens are...reaaally bad.

Ryan Renolds as Deadpool


Taylor Kitsch as Gambit


Another jackass as the Blob


Young!Wolverine (with bone claws, presumably)


Dominic Monaghan as Beak


Will.I.am. as Wraith
 

silksponge

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#8
Thanks Pridefall.

Sigh.

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Temjin-On

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#9
That Deadpool screenshot lacks both a disfigured face and a mask.

Perhaps there is still hope.
 

spooky316

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#10
I'll have to actually hear Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool before I pass judgement, but like Temjin-On said, he's not horribly scarred without a mask, so my hopes aren't that high.
 

Lord Raine

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#11
. . .

. . . fuck. Them. All. With rakes. On fire.


. . . why does Wolverine look like a goth girl from the eighties?
 

Temjin-On

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#12
Lord Raine said:
. . .

. . . fuck. Them. All. With rakes. On fire.


. . . why does Wolverine look like a goth girl from the eighties?
I dunno, to me he kind of looks like Captain Hook...
 

gawl

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#13
spooky316 said:
I'll have to actually hear Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool before I pass judgement, but like Temjin-On said, he's not horribly scarred without a mask, so my hopes aren't that high.
Perhaps, and this might just be blind optimism speaking, the screenshot is from before he gets the big C and the healing factor.

There is no other possible justification for having Deadpool without the mask. It's just levels of fail so high you'd need a telescope to see the top. It's pretty much just taking a dump over every fan of the series.

At least Uwe Boll is not directing it though, so there is still some hope to be had.
 

parker

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#14
Lord Raine said:
. . . why does Wolverine look like a goth girl from the eighties?
He looks kinda young, maybe that's him from like a hundred years ago.

Also, I think I saw a picture of the movie Deadpool with a scarred face, so maybe that's him before it happened.
 

Lord Raine

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#15
parker said:
Lord Raine said:
. . . why does Wolverine look like a goth girl from the eighties?
He looks kinda young, maybe that's him from like a hundred years ago.

Also, I think I saw a picture of the movie Deadpool with a scarred face, so maybe that's him before it happened.
Firstly, it can't be, because he's wearing the rest of his outfit as-per normal. IIRC, he didn't get his costume until after the experiments and the scarring.


Secondly, are you sure it's Wolverine? There's more than one Wolverine-esque character in the Marvelverse, and Wolverine's claws are completely artifical (if I remember correctly). If that character has bone claws, then it isn't Wolverine.
 

Pridefall

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#16
Lord Raine said:
Secondly, are you sure it's Wolverine? There's more than one Wolverine-esque character in the Marvelverse, and Wolverine's claws are completely artifical (if I remember correctly). If that character has bone claws, then it isn't Wolverine.
As of a few issues after Magneto ripped the adamantium off of Wolverine's bones, yes, Wolverine has been shown to have claws made out of bones, as do his son and his "daughter" -- his mutation is that he's an entirely different species of human, not just that he can heal really hella fast.
 

Lord Raine

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#17
LOLWUT? What the hell has Marvel been doing since I stopped following comics? Last time I checked, Wolverine's claws were solid adamantium that were grafted onto artifical ligaments, which in turn were grafted to Wolverine using his healing factor.

Also, since when is Wolverine a new species? He's an Alpha borderline Omega level mutant with a healing ability as his sole mutation. That's all Wolverine is. Just a mutant who's superpower is the ability to heal really, really fast, with enhanced senses thrown in as a bonus. He woudln't have any offensive abilities at all if it wasn't for HYDRA's experiments on him (I think that's what the organization was called).

He's never been a new species in canon. He was going to be in the original version, as he was slated to be an actual wolverine that was forcibly evolved into a humanoid form, but that was dropped and has stayed dropped, because Kirby didn't like the idea of him being an animal, and wanted him to be a normal 'human' mutant.


So no. . . just no. What the hell has Marvel reconed now? They haven't gone back to the original premise, have they?


And still, having had time to look over the picture, I refuse to believe that thatÆs Wolverine. It looks nothing like Logan. The hair is wrong, the face is wrong, the skin tone is wrong, the hair color is wrong, and the body structure is wrong (I swear it looks like a girl). That canÆt be Logan. It just canÆt be. I canÆt possibly imagine that the casting would have been that lazy, that utterly shitty, to cast whoever that is as a young Logan (well, younger, at any rate).

Now. . . it does look like his daughter. IÆve seen pictures of her. She has black hair, and is rather waif-ish as far as body shape is concerned.


Just. . . just tell me this. Is there anything that suggests that WolverineÆs daughter is in the movie? If so, I can keep on hoping that theyÆre keeping Wolverine under wraps, and that thatÆs a shot of his daughter.
 

Pridefall

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#18
Lord Raine said:
CALM YOUR BEARD.

1. Wolverine: Origins, which is the - as of now - definitive backstory of Wolverine, shows that he had bone claws and that they, along with his mutant powers, manifested when he was trying to protect his father from being shot by his mother's drunk lover. The whole "lol, they're not ONLY made out of admantium" spiel happened in the normal Wolverine comics in Wolverine vol.2 #75, which came out in 1990-something, so if you haven't read Marvel since them days you're cruisin' for a shitload more of surprises. After Magneto did one of the most bastard things ever (re: ripping out all of the Adamantium in Wolverine's body all at once), during a training simulation some months later Wolverine basically collapses to the floor in IMMENSE PAIN when he unsheathes the bone claws through his flesh.

Yeah, everyone else on the team WTF'D as much as comic book fans did.

2. His "Daughter" X-23, can't be part of the movie because she was cloned from him waaaaaay after his days in the Weapon X program, so sorry I had to burst your bubble like that. As to Wolverine looking like a girl: remember, this is a younger, 10-13 year old Wolverine who lived back in rural Canada sometime during the 1800s? He's a rich boy who never had to get his hands dirty, and the screenshot is admittedly grainy. ^_^

3. Wolverine is, to my knowledge, nowhere near an Omega-level mutant. Omega-levels are much more powerful than Wolverine could ever be -- case in point: Iceman, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Franklin Richards, Storm, Gambit, Chamber, etc. He's described as being "another species" due to his female clone (and his own son) having different set-up for their claws, which would mark them for different "roles" in their society -- Wolverine is a warrior/hunter (three claws from each knuckle), X-23 is a breeder/home-maker (two claws in the first and last knuckle, and one claw from somewhere in her foot), and Daken (his son), would presumably be a gatherer? I guess? (two from the first and last knuckle, and one claw from the place where spider-man shoots his webbing.) It sounds like bullshit, I know, but that's comics for you.

4. In all of its iterations, the Weapon X Project is headed by Department K, which is a Canadian paramilitary group funded by SHIELD and the United States. If the movie takes place DURING Wolverine's stay at the Weapon X facility, it would make sense that Deadpool wouldn't have his face fucked up, because Deadpool's cancer didn't go apeshit all over his body until the program implanted a faulty regeneration factor inside of him. I'm also going to have disagree on you with the whole "Wolverine would have no offensive capabilities" thing, because before his Weapon X days Wolverine worked with Captain America to kick some Nazi butt on missions normal people wouldn't dream of volunteering for.

5. Wolverine's Claws, from Wolverine: Origin (it looks like they're including this scene in the movie to explain his backstory.)


6. His biological son, Daken. (note the bone claws)


7. x-23, his cloned "Daughter". (again, boney claws).
 

Lord Raine

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#19
Firstly, I have no beard.


Secondly, what the fuck/holy shit/robot pirate ninja jesus.


Thirdly, he has no offensive capabilities. His powers are pure buffs. Yes, they let him kick Nazi ass and run missions no one else can, but they do so by making him more durable and helping him perceive his environment. He isn't flinging blasts of ZOMGWTFPWN like other mutants.


Fourthly, yes, he is a borderline Omega last time I checked. Levels are determined by the strength of the mutation, not how many city blocks you can level. You'll note that every mutant you named have offensive powers, while Logan's powers are defensive in nature. His mutation is classed as high as it is because he can theoretically regenerate from more or less any amount of damage given enough time. As long as even a single complete strand of his DNA exists, he'll eventually come back.

He once regenerated from a single drop of blood and his adamantium structure. And if you wanted to look at it from a pratical standpoint, he can regenerate from any amount of damage, because no matter what happens to him, his adamantium skeleton won't break. And since his bone marrow is encased in the adamantium, and adamantium is indestructable. . . he'll come back no matter what.


And fifthly, just to re-elaborate on a previous point, what the fuck/holy shit/what the hell is with that backstory? It sounds like someone really did go back to the original concept.


. . . Logan actually Fails now in my mind, now that you've told me this. Fuck.
 

Pridefall

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#20
Lord Raine said:
Firstly, I have no beard.


Secondly, what the fuck/holy shit/robot pirate ninja jesus.


Thirdly, he has no offensive capabilities. His powers are pure buffs. Yes, they let him kick Nazi ass and run missions no one else can, but they do so by making him more durable and helping him perceive his environment. He isn't flinging blasts of ZOMGWTFPWN like other mutants.


Fourthly, yes, he is a borderline Omega last time I checked. Levels are determined by the strength of the mutation, not how many city blocks you can level. You'll note that every mutant you named have offensive powers, while Logan's powers are defensive in nature. His mutation is classed as high as it is because he can theoretically regenerate from more or less any amount of damage given enough time. As long as even a single complete strand of his DNA exists, he'll eventually come back.

He once regenerated from a single drop of blood and his adamantium structure. And if you wanted to look at it from a pratical standpoint, he can regenerate from any amount of damage, because no matter what happens to him, his adamantium skeleton won't break. And since his bone marrow is encased in the adamantium, and adamantium is indestructable. . . he'll come back no matter what.


And fifthly, just to re-elaborate on a previous point, what the fuck/holy shit/what the hell is with that backstory? It sounds like someone really did go back to the original concept.


. . . Logan actually Fails now in my mind, now that you've told me this. Fuck.
aasdlkhqoweih. Robot pirate jesus. xD

I won't argue Logan's powers or his level, because writer's tweak what he can and can't regenerate from so much that it's nearly impossible -- he was killed in Cable's timeline by a Sentinel-blast at point-blank range, but he can be dragged near the sun by Jean Grey and not die? Please explain writer's =/ As for the other omegas, most of them aren't Omegas because of their how many city block they can level -- Gambit will become an omega when his power to harness kinetics evolves into multi-temporality, Apocalypse is an omega because of his power/technology that allows hyper-evolve within seconds of being hit by something, Destiny is an omega because she can give other mutants powers (I think?), Chamber is an omega because his body has evolved to become pure psionic energy; Wolverine's never been distinctly mentioned as being an "omega" though, so I don't know. <_<
 

trevelyan1983

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#21
Lord Raine said:
Fourthly, yes, he is a borderline Omega last time I checked.
While I agree with just about everything else you said, this was an unfortunate turn of phrase. If you didn't know about Wolverine's bone claws, or even the Fatal Attraction storyline, you're working from a character sheet so horrendously out of date as to be irrelevant by default.

Marvel and DC can't decide which side of the bed their characters get out of with any kind of consistency, let alone keep the details straight from '90 to '08.

Oh, and as to the movie itself - well. Having just come back from The Dark Knight, I'm quite sure that Marvel will recognize the need to raise their game in response. And if they don't, they're quite aware that they'll get raped by rabid nerds. <s>Why yes, it is that fucking serious, you corporate whores.</s>
 

voidseeker

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#22
omega level is a term used by military personal to gauge strength on not the LEVEL of mutation but of how they can affect the environment or themselves


almost all of the omega level mutants can destory earth or inflict a change in the earth so that all life dies anyway

excluding Elixir (who can manipulate his or others' biology)
 

Pridefall

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#23
voidseeker said:
omega level is a term used by military personal to gauge strength on not the LEVEL of mutation but of how they can affect the environment or themselves


almost all of the omega level mutants can destory earth or inflict a change in the earth so that all life dies anyway

excluding Elixir (who can manipulate his or others' biology)
Other mutants use the term "Omega" as well, holmes. And, last time I cheeeecked, Destiny couldn't destroy the world and is still considered "Omega-Level." Same thing with Gambit, in the far-flung futures when he becomes pantemporal.
 

voidseeker

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#24
i always figured his little stint working for sinister limited his abilites so he COULDNT destroy the earth
 

Pridefall

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#25
voidseeker said:
i always figured his little stint working for sinister limited his abilites so he COULDNT destroy the earth
That was just to control his powers when he was young. In a few more years, he'll evolve so that he exists in all dimensions at once.
 
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