Akamatsuverse A Certian Scientific Ronin

[Antimatter]

This idea keeps coming up, and I think it still has a lot of merit.

Basic idea is thus: Academy city borders the Hinata district, and as such is a popular suburb for student wanting to commute, without having to live in the city proper.

The Hinata sou is a girls dorm, same as in canon, except the girls are all in same way related to AC.

All are espers of various strengths and abilities, who live at the dorms as opposed to an apartment in the city proper, for various reasons. Maybe it's cheaper, maybe the Urashima clan used connections to the families, etc.

Now onto some of the powers that have been suggested in previous threads:

Keitaro:

Adamantcy, lv 0-1: Basically, his invulnerability, taken to almost superman levels. then again, in canon it took hitting him with a building to break a bone, i'd assume hes at least as durable here. This could ether be a true esper ability, or it could just be how he is.

Naru:
Force Amplification, lv 4: A unidirectional amplification of force. Inspired by her Naru punch in the anime, this lets who amplify her punches, kicks, or any other application of force in a unidirectional way, IE he could punch like a mack truck but wouldn't break her hand in the process, feeling like a normal punch to her. She is actually quite embarrassed by this power, as it's very unladylike. Her temper and lack of focus is what keeps her from being a lv 5, as she can't dial the amount of force to the levels of accuracy required.

Su
Machine Empathy, 3-4: Lets Su understand and communicate with machines, which combined with her engineering genius, results in some amazing abilities to build technology far beyond what is thought possible for the day.

Sarah: no idea. I'm thinking maybe lv 1 at best. no idea on what.

Shinobu: no idea, my first though was chemical analysis, allowing her to deduce whats in something by taste or touch. uses it to determine whats in a recipes after eating something.

Kitsune: Push, lv 3: Allows her to influence or insert minor ideas or impressions into peoples heads. Has got her into quite a bit of trouble at times, and is difficult to train in as a result. Since shes not in college, hes pretty much hit a wall in her ability enhancement.

Something else mental would also work I think.

Motoko: Wind Blade/Wind buffer lv 3 or 4: Lets her project blades of wind at her command, ether narrow and blade like, or wide, acting like battering rams/etc. Also a good candidate for magic via her family arts.

Kanako: lv 3-4: Something about her ability to disguise herself as others, maybe a form of image projection, or body reconfiguration. She reconfigures her bones in canon to pull of stuff, iirc. Also a good candidate for magic, her the family arts.

Shiri/Hitani: no idea, probably nothing major.


Magic:

Here is where i'm stuck. The akamatsu verse already has this, and I think we could use that as oppose to the raidex universes, or somehow try to combine the two. If we combine them, we'd have like 4 levels of abilities: True magic (like Negi/Konoka), Religious magic (index), Martial abilities (Shenmei Ryu, Ninjas, etc), and Espers (AC ability users).

 

[ranmatoushin]

there is a problem with this plan, in the Index verse the Academy is surrounded by high walls and you need to get the equivilent of a passport to enter or leave, most students don't get permission, thats why you have skillout, they are level 0's that can't go home because other countrys might be able to learn the academys secrets through them.

the main people we see in the books/anime that can/have left the academy after having any esper training are Touma (main character/ Pawn), Misaka (hacked orders/ death threat to pilot), Tsuchimikado (Spy).

so if you want to have this route the Hinata should be Inside the walls.

the abilitys all look okay except for Keitaro's in Esper levels his invunrability is closer to level 4 maybe high level 3.
the other thing is that there is a Huge difference between level 4 and 5, think about it, level 4 Shirai Kuroko teleport 130.7kg a maximum of 81.5 meters, level 5 Misaka Mikoto control and generation of electricity upto 5 billion volts (5 really powerful Nuclear reactors), level 5 Accelerator control of all vectors touching his skin.

and magic? love hina's/Negima Vs Index's systems are so different that i think it would be easier just to use only Index's unless you have a realy good way to combine them.

 

[Antimatter]

there is a problem with this plan, in the Index verse the Academy is surrounded by high walls and you need to get the equivilent of a passport to enter or leave, most students don't get permission, thats why you have skillout, they are level 0's that can't go home because other countrys might be able to learn the academys secrets through them.

the main people we see in the books/anime that can/have left the academy after having any esper training are Touma (main character/ Pawn), Misaka (hacked orders/ death threat to pilot), Tsuchimikado (Spy).

so if you want to have this route the Hinata should be Inside the walls.

the abilitys all look okay except for Keitaro's in Esper levels his invunrability is closer to level 4 maybe high level 3.
the other thing is that there is a Huge difference between level 4 and 5, think about it, level 4 Shirai Kuroko teleport 130.7kg a maximum of 81.5 meters, level 5 Misaka Mikoto control and generation of electricity upto 5 billion volts (5 really powerful Nuclear reactors), level 5 Accelerator control of all vectors touching his skin.

and magic? love hina's/Negima Vs Index's systems are so different that i think it would be easier just to use only Index's unless you have a realy good way to combine them.

Ok, so we move the hinata district into AC's borders. We could still have the residents come and go, for special occasions, due to Urashima clan influence, Molmolian royal influence, Aoyama clan influence, etc. Pay off the right people or apply pressure where needed, and bingo.

Keitaro's ability, I think, could still be a lv 1, as you really don't have any calculations, he's just a really strong meat shield. In LH canon, he didn't need any special powers for that. He could, really, just be like that, and AC assumes it's part of an ability or something. Likewise, testing his endurance could be difficult, as you wouldn't want to find out he has an upper bound by accidentally killing him/injuring him severely.

As for magic, in the index verse it was started "Magic by itself roots from the simple fact that 'those without talent' wanted to be able to do the same things as 'those with talent', they gave birth to a ceremony and practice called... magic"

IT could be, it was inspired by seeing True magic in action, and was recreated by religious types. True magicians are more secretive, with most of their overt activities being on the magical world, far out of reach of organizations we see in the indexverse. Likewise, the secret arts of the Shenmei Ryu and Ninja clans are also largely unknown, with what has been seen the Indexverse organizations try to emulate. Everything on earth that is overt is guarded by the various akamatsu magical organizations, and thus, word doesn't spread about them.

Now, where the LH crew could be hit is Ninja style secret arts, like the ones Motoko or Kanako practice. Motoko could be an agent of the western magic association, while Kanako is one for the eastern. Both have an interest in whats going on in AC.

Then again, I suppose they could be both martial artists and ability users, provided those arts don't interfere with esper abilities like Indexverse magic does.

As for akamatsuverse mages, none of the LH crew were one, so I doubt they would come up in anything but passing, if that. I don't see Motoko ever spilling the beans about it.

 

[PCHeintz72]

there is a problem with this plan, in the Index verse the Academy is surrounded by high walls and you need to get the equivilent of a passport to enter or leave, most students don't get permission, thats why you have skillout, they are level 0's that can't go home because other countrys might be able to learn the academys secrets through them.

it should be noted that the high walls serve as 0 impediment to anyone really wanting to tenter or leave that city...

Not a single opponent and even some misguided good people have had no issues entering or leaving, and generally tend to get quite far before stopped.

Look at the clueless nun Touma runs into, Index, etc...

If Hina wants him in that city, she is darn well manipulative enough to browbeat Crowly into letting him in, maybe take turns making sure they get a laugh at Keitaros expense.

 

[Reikson]

Great idea.

And, ranmatoushin, sometimes half the fun is in trying to accommodate the different magic styles of Akamatsu versus Kamachi.

 

[Antimatter]

Just thought of something that could be something of a focus for the story, that is, the source of Keitaros ability. If he didn't get it by training, that ether means it's a natural esper ability, and hes a Gemstone, or it's something completely different, like Touma.

IF hes a gemstone, it's possible he was never identified, as he didn't go to school in AC, and well, the natural of his ability is rather subtle unless hes attacked or such. Grandma could have always assumed it was due to the family arts training, but is shocked when she finds out Keitaro wasn't trained in it as much as she thought, and the ability appears to be natural. Que her summon, so that her contacts could check him out, subtly. Her main contact? Why, no one other then Seta, who has been searching the world for signs of ancient ability users, and appear to have hit pay dirt with the so called 'turtle civilization'.

Why summon him to Hinata/AC? Because they need the equipment there to confirm/study his ability. Crowley owes her a few favors, and honestly, hes not about to miss out on a chance to get a hold of another gemstone, if Keitaro turns out to be one. That could be another reason for Keitaros seemingly low ranking.

Pairing him up with the Sou girls gives them a chance to test his ability out, counting on Naru and Motoko's abilities and their anti-pervert/male tendencies. After all, who better to test the unmovable object then the unstoppable force herself?

 

[PCHeintz72]

Hmmm... would you guys be having this occur in parallel to the canon series, or in place of it?

If in parallel, the interactions might be interesting...

- A Misaka whom is hateful of Narus abuse of power on Keitaro for example, maybe even conflicted between liking Keitaro and Touma...

- A Shiroi whom hates not just Touma, but Keitaro

- A Kaori with a rival in Motoko (or the reverse)....

Please let the other guys get constantly beaten up if sticking to canon tactics... I considered them worthless as allies... at least how portraid and their actions in anime canon continuity.

 

[Antimatter]

I dunno, AC is pretty huge, so i'm not sure they would ever run across each other, but they might feel the effects of each other's actions.

Would also make it a fair bit easier to write, as you'd have less characters to content with. Cameos a plenty though, depending on timeline.

I wish I was a decent writter, but beyond world creation stuff, i'm really no good. This sounds like it could be a fun story.

 

[ranmatoushin]

Great idea.

And, ranmatoushin, sometimes half the fun is in trying to accommodate the different magic styles of Akamatsu versus Kamachi.

don't get me wrong i like this idea, i was just pointing out the problems so that you can think it through.

on that line why if the Negima mages exist haven't they done something about the index mages, because i think they'd get a bit worried about things like the 'Queen of the Adriatic Sea' (destroy Concepts ie Venice) or the 'Curtana' (a sword that cuts Dimensions), or the 'Croce di Pietro' (this place belongs to the church).
this is more of what i was meaning when i said the two systems are different, top tier Negima mages are more along the lines of Aqua, ie Saints with magic, and very rarely seem to have anything along the lines of the sheer utter hax of the top tier artifacts of Index.

PCHeintz72 i should point out that the people who 'snuck' in all got in with Aleister Crowley's aproval, his nano-tech information network means that the instant that you enter he knows your there, and if he want's to he can kill you.

 

[Antimatter]

I dunno, some of the negi pactio artifacts are utterly insane as well. I mean Kaede has a cape with another dimension in it, Asuna's sword is basically an imagine breaker, Natsumi's allows her to hide people in plain sight, Nodoka can read your mind and store it for later review, etc. I imagine there are artifacts that are even more hax then what negi's crew has that are held by magical world residents.

I think that in this universe, the Negima style mages are always at defcon, ready to intersect if needed to prevent the church mages from going too far. The few open conflicts between them probably ended very badly for the indexverse mages.

 

[ranmatoushin]

Antimatter, the single greatest peice of magic in the Negima verse we know about is the Old World (mars) and thats an awesome achivement, but you don't get things like the 'Queen of the Adriatic Sea' which destroys something ie. Venice, rome, or even say america and then it wipes out anything connected to that place, such as people born there, art made there, and the memory that it ever existed.
or the 'Document of Constantine' which has the effect of what the Pope declares shall be belived by every Roman Catholic on earth (and you don't get a will save).

thats not to say there aren't powerful artifacts in the Negmia verse the problem there is that it's implied that the White Wings have some of the most powerful Pactios avaliable, and they're quite a lot weaker than top tier artifacts from Index, plus the focus is different.

and as to the fights going badly for the Index mage's? i wouldn't be so sure about that, remeber there aren't all that many high tier Negima mages, and Index has people like the Amakusa Catholic's (team players/ wolf pack).

 

[Antimatter]

Antimatter, the single greatest peice of magic in the Negima verse we know about is the Old World (mars) and thats an awesome achivement, but you don't get things like the 'Queen of the Adriatic Sea' which destroys something ie. Venice, rome, or even say america and then it wipes out anything connected to that place, such as people born there, art made there, and the memory that it ever existed.
or the 'Document of Constantine' which has the effect of what the Pope declares shall be belived by every Roman Catholic on earth (and you don't get a will save).

thats not to say there aren't powerful artifacts in the Negmia verse the problem there is that it's implied that the White Wings have some of the most powerful Pactios avaliable, and they're quite a lot weaker than top tier artifacts from Index, plus the focus is different.

and as to the fights going badly for the Index mage's? i wouldn't be so sure about that, remeber there aren't all that many high tier Negima mages, and Index has people like the Amakusa Catholic's (team players/ wolf pack).

in a one on one fight, I still think the negiverse mages would come out on top. Given there were millions of them, shear numbers suggest that they indeed have ranks of powerful mages, as well as mythical beats, constructs, demonic allies, etc, and mass destruction level spells, like those shown by Negi and Eva, among others.

And they do have spells similar to the pope's. Chao used one twice: one to force the world to be open to the existence of magic, and once to end all conflict for a day.

As for things like the Adriatic, I think it would fall into a mutually assured destruction scenario. You use it against a Negiverse mage city, and they will retaliate against The Vatican, probably with a similar spell.

A lot of Indexverse spells seem to be based on the power of mass belief. A Chao style spell that inserts doubt could effectively destroy their magical system.

 

[PCHeintz72]

PCHeintz72 i should point out that the people who 'snuck' in all got in with Aleister Crowley's aproval, his nano-tech information network means that the instant that you enter he knows your there, and if he want's to he can kill you.

I do not think Index could have got his approval...

 

[Ashaman]

Antimatter, the single greatest peice of magic in the Negima verse we know about is the Old World (mars) and thats an awesome achivement, but you don't get things like the 'Queen of the Adriatic Sea' which destroys something ie. Venice, rome, or even say america and then it wipes out anything connected to that place, such as people born there, art made there, and the memory that it ever existed.
or the 'Document of Constantine' which has the effect of what the Pope declares shall be belived by every Roman Catholic on earth (and you don't get a will save).

thats not to say there aren't powerful artifacts in the Negmia verse the problem there is that it's implied that the White Wings have some of the most powerful Pactios avaliable, and? they're quite a lot weaker than top tier artifacts from Index, plus the focus is different.

and as to the fights going badly for the Index mage's? i wouldn't be so sure about that, remeber there aren't all that many high tier Negima mages, and Index has people like the Amakusa Catholic's (team players/ wolf pack).

in a one on one fight, I still think the negiverse mages would come out on top. Given there were millions of them, shear numbers suggest that they indeed have ranks of powerful mages, as well as mythical beats, constructs, demonic allies, etc, and mass destruction level spells, like those shown by Negi and Eva, among others.

And they do have spells similar to the pope's. Chao used one twice: one to force the world to be open to the existence of magic, and once to end all conflict for a day.

As for things like the Adriatic, I think it would fall into a mutually assured destruction scenario. You use it against a Negiverse mage city, and they will retaliate against The Vatican, probably with a similar spell.

A lot of Indexverse spells seem to be based on the power of mass belief. A Chao style spell that inserts doubt could effectively destroy their magical system.

Considering the share number of Negiverse mages, most of them probably aren't combat capable.

Its something I see a lot in forums. Peole seems to think the fact that since magic is common place, there must be so many powerful people, but that's not true at all. The Manga just happens to focus on powerful people. The average mage, hell, the average combat mage is probably not much stronger than Level 3 Esper.

IIRC, Chao's spell required set conditions, I.e the World Tree glowing, an event that takes place every 22 years. QotAS is a point and shoot thing that can be activated almost any time.

Even the ones that have time conditions are yearly.

But, yeah, most negiverse mages would probably outclass Indexverse mages in terms of strength, though Indexverse mages are more diverse.

But on the other hand, I think the strongest Index mages would outclass the Negiverse ones.

Fiamma is unfair against even people like Fate. Then there is Divine Punishment.

 

[Antimatter]

Antimatter, the single greatest peice of magic in the Negima verse we know about is the Old World (mars) and thats an awesome achivement, but you don't get things like the 'Queen of the Adriatic Sea' which destroys something ie. Venice, rome, or even say america and then it wipes out anything connected to that place, such as people born there, art made there, and the memory that it ever existed.
or the 'Document of Constantine' which has the effect of what the Pope declares shall be belived by every Roman Catholic on earth (and you don't get a will save).

thats not to say there aren't powerful artifacts in the Negmia verse the problem there is that it's implied that the White Wings have some of the most powerful Pactios avaliable, andá they're quite a lot weaker than top tier artifacts from Index, plus the focus is different.

and as to the fights going badly for the Index mage's? i wouldn't be so sure about that, remeber there aren't all that many high tier Negima mages, and Index has people like the Amakusa Catholic's (team players/ wolf pack).

in a one on one fight, I still think the negiverse mages would come out on top. Given there were millions of them, shear numbers suggest that they indeed have ranks of powerful mages, as well as mythical beats, constructs, demonic allies, etc, and mass destruction level spells, like those shown by Negi and Eva, among others.

And they do have spells similar to the pope's. Chao used one twice: one to force the world to be open to the existence of magic, and once to end all conflict for a day.

As for things like the Adriatic, I think it would fall into a mutually assured destruction scenario. You use it against a Negiverse mage city, and they will retaliate against The Vatican, probably with a similar spell.

A lot of Indexverse spells seem to be based on the power of mass belief. A Chao style spell that inserts doubt could effectively destroy their magical system.

Considering the share number of Negiverse mages, most of them probably aren't combat capable.

Its something I see a lot in forums. Peole seems to think the fact that since magic is common place, there must be so many powerful people, but that's not true at all. The Manga just happens to focus on powerful people. The average mage, hell, the average combat mage is probably not much stronger than Level 3 Esper.

IIRC, Chao's spell required set conditions, I.e the World Tree glowing, an event that takes place every 22 years. QotAS is a point and shoot thing that can be activated almost any time.

Even the ones that have time conditions are yearly.

But, yeah, most negiverse mages would probably outclass Indexverse mages in terms of strength, though Indexverse mages are more diverse.

But on the other hand, I think the strongest Index mages would outclass the Negiverse ones.

Fiamma is unfair against even people like Fate. Then there is Divine Punishment.

Actually, the numbers game is important here. Even if only 1/100 negiverse mages were elite, you'd still have millions of them.

And that's just normal mages. If you start tossing in highly trained military mages, and special groups like the Ala groups, as well as other specialty groups the manga mentions, they could probably take out anyone of importance fairly easy. I mean hell, they have fought magical wars before, so they should be experts at fighting mages.

Chao's spell took special requirements, but that doesn't mean every spell of that nature does, or that there are not other, high level spells similar to stuff we see in the Indexverse. The manga showed some amazingly destructive stuff, and those were just personal spells.

At any rate, since none of the LH crew are mages, beyond martial arts, I don't think the conflict would ever actually come up. At best they would be going on in the background somewhere.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Actually, the numbers game is important here. Even if only 1/100 negiverse mages were elite, you'd still have millions of them.

Having only seen the anime, and some 28 chapters of the manga for Neima... I have a question...

Are their really *several hundred million* magic users in Negima on Earth...

If so... it makes no sense that they could keep it secret...

Nor that they would have deloped that many in fear of espers... the more radical would have attacked AC in paranoia...


it does however explain how there could be over 103,000 books.

 

[Antimatter]

Actually, the numbers game is important here. Even if only 1/100 negiverse mages were elite, you'd still have millions of them.

Having only seen the anime, and some 28 chapters of the manga for Neima... I have a question...

Are their really *several hundred million* magic users in Negima on Earth...

If so... it makes no sense that they could keep it secret...

Nor that they would have deloped that many in fear of espers... the more radical would have attacked AC in paranoia...


it does however explain how there could be over 103,000 books.

On earth? No. But the magical world population is over a Billion strong. 67 million of those are human transplants.

I do believe that matches up to what Chao gave as the number of human mages in existence. I'm not sure how many currently live on earth, but it seems to be a great many, given there are magical villages and universities on earth.

And that doesn't count the number of pactioed mundanes, or martial artists.

edit:

So I guess millions wouldn't be right, but rather, you'd have 670,000 elite human mages, which is probably more then who know about religious magic period in the indexverse.

 

[Ashaman]

Yes, but how many of those mages know how to fight? How many of those who know how to fight are talented at it?

The whole 1 in 100 'elite' idea doesn't fly.

If I grouped 100 people together at random, how many of them would know how to use magic combatively? 3, 4?

Of those 4, the chances that they'll have any degree of compatency are low.

Say you have 1 million mages. only about 50,000 of them will be fighters (5/100)

Of those 50,000, only, what, 500 will be 'elite' (1 in 100)

Then there is the degree of 'elite'. Are we talking Fate level, or more realisticlly Kotaro's level? Who knows, maybe 6 or 7 may claw there way up that high that the'd be able to fight Fate or Negi evenly.

On the other hand, Index mage are more focused as a whole. They want something, and so they are going to get it through hell or high water, nothing is going to stop them. In other words, they are much more focused and many will have combat knowledge. Not all, but more than can be expected when compared to Negiverse mages. 75 in 100 compared to the 5 in 100 you;d expect in Negiverse.

They are smaller in number but not as much as you'd think just by comparing population numbers.

Then there is the strenght of Indexverse mages - their spells. For example, one of the most basic and well known spells in Index would seriously impede Negi mages because it pretty much kills anyone that is flying, simply because they are flying.

Negiverse mages fight by duelling it out. An index mage would observe, analyse and then counter, figuring out the perfect spell to use in the situation.

Like I said, I'd bet on Negiverse, but on't underestimate Index mages.

 

[Antimatter]

I'm not sure why you've further cut the numbers down, given what we have seen of negiverse mages. Even the lower rank ones seem to be able to fight pretty well when they want to. Just as many indexverse mages are scrubs as akamatsuverse ones. From what i've seen of the index anime, most were fairly limited in ability, being one trick ponies.

having 1/100 be capable of fighting would probably be a bit low, given what we have seen them do. If even a 10th of those were elite, say on the level of Kotoro or Mohora's teachers, you'd still have 67,000 of them. If you'd paired it down to Negi level, you'd probably still have a few hundred of them.

We can't really say they would be less focused, as well, we've only seen bits of peices of how they plan. But with so many millions at their disposal, their Intelligence and R&D networks must be insane compared to indexverse ones. As shown by the festival arc, they can mobilized large amounts of material rapidly, seeing as they were able to arm several hundred students with equipment in a very short time period. They are also capable of conspiracy and surgical strikes, as shown by groups like fate and the senate. They can hind seemingly in plain sight, even to their fellow mages, seeing as Negi had no idea Mohora had so many until they outright told him.

I don't see the indexverse ones picking a fight with them though, for fear of retaliation. It's like picking on a superpower or trying to provoke a nation with nukes. Any attack would probably be by proxy, just like in the cold war.

A bigger problem for both would be the rise of the espers, who suddenly are public knowledge. Negima magic seems to work, somewhat, with Chi users, but i've no idea if it would work with an ability user like we see in AC. This could actually be somewhat important, given Motoko and Kanako have some serious chi based abilities, as well as Su and the Red Sun stuff.

 

[zeebee1]

Chi users are magic users. But espers don't use chi.

 

[Antimatter]

Chi users are magic users. But espers don't use chi.

not by negiverse logic. They seem to be two separate things, and the series noted how hard it is to use both at once.

 

[Ashaman]

I'm just trying to get across the idea that just because they are magic users does not mean they know how to fight.

I see it alot that people hear about a population of magic users in a semi-action story, and they immdeiately believe that all of them know how to use magic to fight, when most likely there will be only a few that know combat spells and the rest are just normal people who know how to use magic.

Armies are a different story.

There are exceptions to this, like Naruto (all chakra users are ninja and taught how to fight), but in Negiverse I imagine most of the population are just normal people who just happen to be magic users.

 

[Antimatter]

I'm just trying to get across the idea that just because they are magic users does not mean they know how to fight.

I see it alot that people hear about a population of magic users in a semi-action story, and they immdeiately believe that all of them know how to use magic to fight, when most likely there will be only a few that know combat spells and the rest are just normal people who know how to use magic.

Armies are a different story.

There are exceptions to this, like Naruto (all chakra users are ninja and taught how to fight), but in Negiverse I imagine most of the population are just normal people who just happen to be magic users.

Right, but that applies both ways. The indexverse would have about the same ratio, from what i've seen of the index/railgun animes. Hell, quite a few could have been no stronger then your average pactio user, given how they relied on an artifact.

All Negima mages thus shown have had some combat spells or abilities, even if they themselves were not front line fighters. Only real exception so far has been Konoka, mainly because she has had no training in the area. It seems to be part of the basic curriculum for any mage academy though.

The ratio of fighters to population I think still would come out in the negiverse's favor.

For example, the Us has 312,407,000 people. Of those, about 120 million are in the age range for military service(on wiki, that's 18-49). About 3 million actively serve.

I think the bottom line is the RCC and others would probably avoid a muzzle to muzzle fight, instead striking by whatever proxy they could leverage.

If they are having trouble with a secretive mage force like the negiverse ones, then the rise of a very public force in the way of Academy City could really set their nerves off.

The only character who should know about any such magical conflict should be Motoko by way of the Kansai Magic Association. That's assuming the conflict even played a role in a LH/Raildex fusion. I guess it woudl really depend on the timeline of events.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Yes... but he has a point as well... take your own example


Ok... some 317million total, 120million in correct age... 3 million actually serve.


The issue is it recently came out that 25% of the younger ages that *could* serve by being the correct age are not physically fit nor would pass basic training, let alone be a excetional asset, of the remaining 75%, those that are currently pregnant, those in healthcare, those with debilitating health issues, and those with no fighting experience would suck up a huge portion of the remainder...


now... of academy city's huge esper population, they are encouraged to strive to enhance their abilities, to take them as high as it goes (well, publicly), there are also gangs and constant infighting. Esper related incidents are so prevailent we are aware of at least 177 diviisions of Judgement, and multiple full out tactical squads for antiskill to combat them...

This is only what is publicly known in animes... there may be even more in manga.

Mahora is not on that scale, and is supposedly mostly normal kids, with nei getting the oddballs. We do not know what assets exist elsewhere, well in animes we don't, nor 1st 28 chapters of manga.

 

[Antimatter]

Yes... but he has a point as well... take your own example


Ok... some 317million total, 120million in correct age... 3 million actually serve.


The issue is it recently came out that 25% of the younger ages that *could* serve by being the correct age are not physically fit nor would pass basic training, let alone be a excetional asset, of the remaining 75%, those that are currently pregnant, those in healthcare, those with debilitating health issues, and those with no fighting experience would suck up a huge portion of the remainder...


now... of academy city's huge esper population, they are encouraged to strive to enhance their abilities, to take them as high as it goes (well, publicly), there are also gangs and constant infighting. Esper related incidents are so prevailent we are aware of at least 177 diviisions of Judgement, and multiple full out tactical squads for antiskill to combat them...

This is only what is publicly known in animes... there may be even more in manga.

Mahora is not on that scale, and is supposedly mostly normal kids, with nei getting the oddballs. We do not know what assets exist elsewhere, well in animes we don't, nor 1st 28 chapters of manga.

I wasn't just referring to Mohora though, but rather the stated negiverse mage population.

Mohora does seem to have a few dozen mages though, which is rather a high number for a group operating in secret. Full on mage cities showed a lot more. For example, look at the number of mages in Negi's village.

AC operates out in the open, so yeah, the forces projected are much larger. The only place where the negiverse woudl show that much would be on the magical world.