A Sailor Moon fic idea...

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GenocideHeart

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It's a peculiar idea, actually. In short...

What if, when Mistress 9 took Hotaru over, she instead actually merged with Hotaru's own personality and soul, and decided to go off and do her own thing instead of serving Pharoah 90?

Think of it as an exercise in making things up. Perhaps another villain side, or perhaps (unbelievable!) an actual alternative to Crystal Tokyo and sacrificing the majority of Earth. Although, Mistress 9 would most likely be a dictator. Possibly benevolent, maybe not, but still a dictator.

Just a small thought. I myself always liked Mistress 9, so I'd love to see a fic that focused on her and cast her in a somewhat positive light.
 
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Fatuous One

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Interesting, I actually had a (somewhat) similar idea once. With Mistress Nine getting trapped in Hotaru's head when she's a child, along with the Sailor Saturn personality, and the two of them pretty much warping her from childhood.

Regarding Hotaru getting bullied:

Mistress Nine: What!? That little bastard! Hotaru, kill him, the bug doesn't deserve to lick the gavel we walk on!

Saturn: In this matter, I must concur... the fool should be punished. I would recommend stringing him up by his intestines on the playground equipment, it will serve as a warning to all the others.

Hotaru: *Sweatdrop* Uhh...

Anyway, on your idea. It's good, but where exactly would the Sailor Senshi come in? It would be interesting if the Sailor Senshi got cut out of the picture almost entirely (or perhaps Mistress Nine converting some of them to her side somehow) and M9 having to deal with all the incoming threats by herself. (Y Halo Thar Galaxia!)
 
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GenocideHeart

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Fatuous One said:
Anyway, on your idea. It's good, but where exactly would the Sailor Senshi come in? It would be interesting if the Sailor Senshi got cut out of the picture almost entirely (or perhaps Mistress Nine converting some of them to her side somehow) and M9 having to deal with all the incoming threats by herself. (Y Halo Thar Galaxia!)
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That was more or less my idea. Why bother including the Senshi?

Later on, Sailor Pluto MIGHT be involved, due to the Gates of Time. But for the majority of the time, Hotaru might well sail under the other Senshi's radar, so to speak, and never actually join them until muuuuuuuch later, in times of crisis, and only on a temporary basis.
 
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Fatuous One

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That was more or less my idea. Why bother including the Senshi?

Later on, Sailor Pluto MIGHT be involved, due to the Gates of Time. But for the majority of the time, Hotaru might well sail under the other Senshi's radar, so to speak, and never actually join them until muuuuuuuch later, in times of crisis, and only on a temporary basis.
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'cause M9 suffers from classic villain(ess) megalomania. Unless the merger with Hotaru COMPLETELY changes her personality, there isn't anyway that she wouldn't get involved in things. Of course, that doesn't really mean that she wouldn't stick to the shadows, but on the other hand, I can't see Mistress Nine really being able to hide from Pluto all that well.
 
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GenocideHeart

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Fatuous One said:
'cause M9 suffers from classic villain(ess) megalomania. Unless the merger with Hotaru COMPLETELY changes her personality, there isn't anyway that she wouldn't get involved in things. Of course, that doesn't really mean that she wouldn't stick to the shadows, but on the other hand, I can't see Mistress Nine really being able to hide from Pluto all that well.
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True. Although, going by YOUR idea, all she can do is be a voice telling Hotaru things... it's ultimately Hotaru who makes the choices.

Even so, if Mistress 9 had the full power of Sailor Saturn, she could probably take most of the Senshi on by herself and win...
 
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Fatuous One

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My idea is a bit different from yours, in the fact that Mistress Nine is basically unable to influence anything besides in a sort of "Devil on the shoulder" way. Which would, as you can obviously imagine, piss her off to no end. Of course, Saturn in my idea is FAR from an "Angel on the shoulder," which is the reason why you would have one very weird personality by the time Hotaru grows up.

Also, while Mistress Nine with Saturn's power WOULD be able to wipe the floor with the Senshi, that's only if she can have better control then Hotaru. The main flaw with Saturn's attacks is that they're ALL overpowered. So, unless you have M9 getting a handle on that, she might just accidentally blow up the earth, or a good chunk of it if she fights everybody.

BTW, on an unrelated note, having your browser crash sucks. <_<
 
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GenocideHeart

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The thing about Mistress Nine is that while she IS a villain, she seems to be specifically working for Pharoah 90. My idea has her doing her own thing, which may not be necessarily villainous.

I mostly see my idea of Mistress 9 as a mix of Hotaru and M9 proper... meaning she'd end up doing bad things not out of malice, but lack of morals. There's a difference.

What do you think?
 
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Fatuous One

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I can see it working.

Mistress Nine's reason for existing, from my perspective, is to serve Pharaoh 90 and get him into the other dimension. I'm fairly sure that is the reason WHY she was created. So, with Hotaru's influence, and basically force-feeding her the concept of freedom, you can have someone with no morals, no idea on what to do in life, and WHOLE lot of power.

Of course, I still think that, since she IS a creation of an entity whose sole purpose is to destroy, she'll have few (just a few :p) homicidal tendencies.
 
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GenocideHeart

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Fatuous One said:
I can see it working.

Mistress Nine's reason for existing, from my perspective, is to serve Pharaoh 90 and get him into the other dimension. I'm fairly sure that is the reason WHY she was created. So, with Hotaru's influence, and basically force-feeding her the concept of freedom, you can have someone with no morals, no idea on what to do in life, and WHOLE lot of power.

Of course, I still think that, since she IS a creation of an entity whose sole purpose is to destroy, she'll have few (just a few :p) homicidal tendencies.
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Heh. That's what the youma would be there for. It might just start with Mistress 9 just feeling the need to blow something up, and a youma being conveniently close. And it might develop in a full habit. :lol:

Of course, she wouldn't be doing anything absurd like fighting for 'love and justice'. <_< More like she'd be blowing steam off, heh. And also, she wouldn't much care for collateral damage. Leveling a few city blocks to get rid of a bunch of youma? Perfectly acceptable. :D

The funny thing is, the public opinion would probably still cast her as a hero. A bit of property damage is still better than a gaggle of youma running rampant. And Mistress 9 would probably not be too pleased of being in the spotlight... which would end up in her blowing MORE youma up. :lol:
 
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Fatuous One

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Ha! That would be perfect. Mistress Nine wouldn't even want it, but she gets hailed as a hero. The youma habit would be amusing as well, it would be even more amusing if Mistress Nine got addicted to blowing things up.

M9: N-need... my fix... *blows up a nearby building* Ahhh... That's better. Okay, what were you saying?

Reporter: ...
 
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GenocideHeart

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I might just watch and/or read Sailor Moon again to refresh my memory, then write something like this myself. I'll see. I'm mired in three projects right now - my Star Ocean 3 fic, the Ranma 1/2 one and the Naruto one...

...Hawk is having a bad influence on me.
 
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Fatuous One

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Nah, it's the forum. Plot bunnies always run amuck when you are able to bounce ideas off various people.

Watching it would be better. The anime is longer, and has more details and the like then the manga. Of course, the only reason for that is the length of the manga vs. the anime is very, very great. Then again, some of the manga plot points differ from the manga, so there is always that to take into account.

Tip: If you go into the Stars arc, it would probably better to read it. The creator is very distasteful of the anime arc of Stars.
 
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GenocideHeart

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Fatuous One said:
Nah, it's the forum. Plot bunnies always run amuck when you are able to bounce ideas off various people.

Watching it would be better. The anime is longer, and has more details and the like then the manga. Of course, the only reason for that is the length of the manga vs. the anime is very, very great. Then again, some of the manga plot points differ from the manga, so there is always that to take into account.

Tip: If you go into the Stars arc, it would probably better to read it. The creator is very distasteful of the anime arc of Stars.
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True, but being deaf, I'd pretty much HAVE to find a subbed version, and in Italy it isn't easy for an anime as old as Sailor Moon. The manga is easier to get ahold of, but not by much.
 
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Fatuous One

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True, but being deaf, I'd pretty much HAVE to find a subbed version, and in Italy it isn't easy for an anime as old as Sailor Moon. The manga is easier to get ahold of, but not by much.
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That is a problem. However, it's possible to download Sailor Moon through various torrents, so there is always that too (ignoring that it's licensed... *whistles*).
 
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GenocideHeart

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Fatuous One said:
True, but being deaf, I'd pretty much HAVE to find a subbed version, and in Italy it isn't easy for an anime as old as Sailor Moon. The manga is easier to get ahold of, but not by much.
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That is a problem. However, it's possible to download Sailor Moon through various torrents, so there is always that too (ignoring that it's licensed... *whistles*).
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Downloading a torrent with a 56k dialup is NOT an option. >_>
 
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Fatuous One

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Ouch, right.

Ah, hmm, well... you're screwed. Well, depending on how much you're willing to spend, you could order it on ebay... or something. <_<

On a slightly related note, I noticed that you seem to have a certain contempt for Sailor Moon. Why the sudden interest in writing a SM fic?
 
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GenocideHeart

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Fatuous One said:
Ouch, right.

Ah, hmm, well... you're screwed. Well, depending on how much you're willing to spend, you could order it on ebay... or something. <_<

On a slightly related note, I noticed that you seem to have a certain contempt for Sailor Moon. Why the sudden interest in writing a SM fic?
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My contempt is not for the show itself, but specifically for the Senshi and their self-righteousness. Not to mention the idea of Crystal Tokyo is fucking STUPID to begin with. If the Senshi were truly 'warriors of Love and Peace', they'd do their damned best to save everyone, not take the first convenient way out to minimize losses.

Granted, Sailor Pluto is the main culprit for that idea. Doesn't change the fact the idea is utterly retarded. I say, as long as there's even a ghost of a chance of saving everyone, fight to make that chance come true. Instead, Pluto chose to go for the solution with the most success rate, even if it means committing a damn near genocide. I... can't respect that. From that point of view, I had a lot more respect for the Black Moon Family.

Of course, I may just have misinterpreted the anime, but I doubt it.
 
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Fatuous One

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Heh, it IS stupid. But that's sort of the point. Naoko Takeuchi created Sailor Moon as a means to up 'girl power' with an utopia at the end of it. It, of course, wouldn't work out in real life (if real life had Magical Girls anyways), but it was the point of the anime/manga, thus with Desu Ex Machina it all works out.

Also, from what I can recall, Sailor Moon never really gave you a lot of specifics about Crystal Tokyo. A lot of the Pluto=EBIL MAZTERMIND stuff is complete fanon.

Still, complete idiocy at times.
 
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GenocideHeart

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Fatuous One said:
Heh, it IS stupid. But that's sort of the point. Naoko Takeuchi created Sailor Moon as a means to up 'girl power' with an utopia at the end of it. It, of course, wouldn't work out in real life (if real life had Magical Girls anyways), but it was the point of the anime/manga, thus with Desu Ex Machina it all works out.

Also, from what I can recall, Sailor Moon never really gave you a lot of specifics about Crystal Tokyo. A lot of the Pluto=EBIL MAZTERMIND stuff is complete fanon.

Still, complete idiocy at times.
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Pluto isn't evil per se, just ruthless. That much is canon. I wouldn't put it above her to choose the road with the most success chances, regardless of lives lost.

The fact Usagi is an idiot who doesn't think most of the time does not help.
 
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Israfel

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Meh, reminds me of Jehovah's Witnesses, the whole thing with there is going to be a seklect number saved and everybody else is screwed, that kind of thing really bugs me. Oh and pretty much all the Senshi are idiots for that matter.
 
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GenocideHeart

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The only Senshi who isn't an idiot is Sailor Saturn, ironically. What ELSE can she possibly do? The other Senshi are pretty much the only true family Hotaru has.
 
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GenocideHeart

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Just so you know, this fic idea was inspired by this fanfic. It gives an... unique insight on the opposing side, and got me thinking. The fic also portrays the Sailor Senshi in, shall we say... a less than positive light. Which I don't mind. After all, in a war, good and evil are a matter of perspective.
 
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Fatuous One

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Ahh, yes, Negawarrior, I recall that fic.

I've actually read another fic that takes a look at the enemy side. Although, it's a purely Sailor Moon fic, as well that it sometimes gets tedious with details.
 
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GenocideHeart

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Fatuous One said:
Ahh, yes, Negawarrior, I recall that fic.

I've actually read another fic that takes a look at the enemy side. Although, it's a purely Sailor Moon fic, as well that it sometimes gets tedious with details.
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Link?
 
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