A Star Wars Conspiracy Theory

Prince Charon

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Ran into this online http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CaerAzkaban/message/147805?unwrap=1' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here</a>, but you probably have to be a member to read it), ande thought it should be shared:
[quote]A New Sith, or Revenge of the Hope
Reconsidering Star Wars IV in the light of I-III
by Keith Martin

If we accept all the Star Wars films as the same canon, then a lot that happens in the original films has to be reinterpreted in the light of the prequels. As we now know, the rebel Alliance was founded by Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Bail Organa. What can readily be deduced is that their first recruit, who soon became their top field agent, was R2-D2.

Consider: at the end of RotS, Bail Organan orders 3PO's memory wiped but not R2's. He wouldn't make the distinction casually. Both droids know that Yoda and Obi-Wan are alive and are plotting sedition with the Senator from Alderaan. They know that Amidala survived long enough to have twins and could easily deduce where they went. However, R2 must make an impassioned speech to the effect that he is far more use to them with his mind intact: he has observed Palpatine and Anakin at close quarters for many years, knows much that is useful and is one of the galaxy's top experts at hacking into other people's systems. Also he can lie through his teeth with a straight face. Organa, in immediate need of espionage resources, agrees.

For the next 20 years, as far as 3PO knows, he is the property of Captain Antilles, doing protocol duties on a diplomatic transport. He is vaguely aware of the existence of the princess but doesn't know much about her. Wherever 3PO goes, being as loud and obvious as he always is, his unobtrusive little counterpart goes with him. 3PO is R2's front man. Wherever they land, R2 is passing messages between rebel sympathisers and sizing up governments as potential rebel recruits - both by personal contact and by hacking into their networks. He passes his recommendations on to Organa.

Yoda is out of the picture by this stage, using the Force-infused swamps of Dagobah to hide himself from Vader and the Emperor. Or something. He is meditating on the future and keeping in touch with Obi-Wan via the ghost of Qui-Gon Jin, which as comm systems go has the virtue of being untappable. Obi-Wan, on Tattoine, keeps in touch with Bail Organa and the other Rebel leaders by courier, of which more later.

As Star Wars opens, R2 is rushing the Death Star plans to the Rebellion. R2, not Leia. The plans are always in R2. What Leia puts into him in the early scene is only her own holographic message to Kenobi. Leia's own mission, as she says in the holographic message, is to pick up Obi-Wan and take him to Alderaan - or so she thinks. Actually, her father just wants her to meet Kenobi, which up to this point she never has. There's a reason for that.

Obi-Wan has spent the last 20 years in the Tattoine desert, keeping watch over Luke Skywalker and trying to decide on one of the three available options: A) If Luke shows no significant access to the Force, then leave him alone in obscurity B ) If Luke shows real Force ability, then consider recruiting him as a Jedi. The rebellion needs Jedi. Now. But, if Luke shows any signs of turning out like his father, then C) sneak into his house one fine night and chop his head off. With great regret but it'll save a lot of trouble later on. Knowing this to be the case, Bail Organa (perhaps at the insistence of his wife) has found excuses not to send Leia to Ben for assessment of Jedi potential, largely for fear of option C.

To be fair to all concerned, Leia has shown no overt signs of a link to the Force. Luke on the other hand has. In his home-built hotrod aircraft, with no formal fighter pilot training and no decent instrumentation, Luke can regularly score centre-hits on 2-metre targets in complicated zero-altitude maneouvres. Until he attends the briefing on Yavin, Luke has no way of knowing that hardened combat pilots would consider that nearly impossible. To him it's easy. Obi-Wan, who saw Anakin's performance in the Pod Race, is nervous.

Much of Obi-Wan's behaviour in this film, and Yoda's in the next, can best be understood if they are frankly scared to death of what Luke might become. (Ben is also scared that he himself will make all the same mistakes he made with Anakin.)

Now, with the existence of the rebellion at stake, Bail Organa has finally told Leia to go see Obi-Wan and has sent her along with R2. The original plan would then be for Obi-Wan (with optional Luke and/or Leia in tow) to leave his exile and take the Death Star plans to Yavin, where they can be put to use. R2 (with Leia if Ben doesn't want to take her) would then carry on to Alderaan to maintain the cover story. The original plan does not survive contact with a large Imperial Star Destroyer.

R2 and 3PO bail out in an escape pod, landing in vaguely the right area of Tattoine, where R2's first priority is transport. He arranges to be captured by a group of Jawas and, once on board their transport, he makes a deal with them (possibly using emergency funds stored about his person) to take him where he wants to go. The Jawas refuse to go directly to Kenobi for fear of marauding Sandpeople but they agree to R2's second request : transport to the Skywalker farm. They even get to keep the purchase price if they can sell R2 and 3PO there. The Jawas shake on it and go through with the plan.

Seeing 3PO fail to recognise the farm where he worked for 10 years gives r2 a moment's amusement but, as soon as possible, he gets away and heads for Kenobi. Luke and 3PO follow, which may or may not have been part of the plan.

On first seeing R2, Obi-Wan has a twinkle in his eye and calls him "my little friend". Well, he is. However, when Luke wakes up and says that R2 claimed to be owned by an Obi-Wan Kenobi, he blandly says "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid." Ben has in fact owned several but the remark is aimed at R2 and translates as "You keep quiet. I'm not about to tell him everything just yet." Obi-Wan thinks fast and tells Luke a version of his past that does not involve a father who became a dark lord of the Sith. He wants to examine Luke a lot more closely before he risks telling him the real truth.

Although the Death Star plans need to get to Yavin as soon as possible, Obi-Wan needs to make one more diversion first. If the Empire knows that Leia is a Rebel leader, then they also know about her father and the whole Organa family may need immediate evacuation. Fortunately, before coming to Tattoine, R2 had already arranged transport, which is waiting at Mos Eisley, under the command of the Rebellion's other chief field agent and espionage asset. Chewbacca.

20 years earlier, Chewbacca was second in command of the defence of his planet. He's there in the tactical conferences and there on the front lines and is a personal friend of Yoda's. When he needed reliable people to join the embryonic Alliance, who else would Yoda turn to but his old friend from Kashykk? Given his background, there is no way that Chewie would spend the crucial years of the rebellion as the second-in-command to (sorry Han) a low-level smuggler. Unless it's his cover. In fact, Chewie is a top-line spy and flies what is in many ways the Rebellion's best ship.

The Millenium Falcon may look like a beat-up old freighter but it can outrun any Imperial ship in normal space or hyperspace, hang in a firefight with a Star Destroyer or outmaneouvre a dozen top-of-the-line TIE fighters. It's a remarkable feat of engineering and must have cost a colossal fortune to build. How does Han come to own a ship like that? He only thinks he does, actually it's Chewie's. Half-way through RotS, we see the Falcon landing at the Senate building on Coruscant. If it's the same ship (which of course it is) then it was the personal transport of one of the senatorial delegations - a much more likely source to commission its design. That delegatino must have later joined the Rebellion and given it the use of the Falcon. In fact, if the delegation is the one from Kashykk, then the ship may have belonged to Chewbacca as early as RotS.

Han is Chewie's front man. It's much better, and safer for him, if he doesn't know what's really going on. Chewie used to work with Lando Calrissian in a similar way but Lando wanted to settle down, so Chewie arranged for him to lose the Falcon in a card game to Han Solo, an even better choice as partner. Han and Chewie's working method is pretty much what we see in the cantina scene: Chewie make the contacts and sets up the deals, then turns them over to Han who haggles over the price and gives the final yea or nay. This lets Chewie wander the seamy underside of the galaxy pretty much at will, making contacts, gathering and passing information with no-one was the wiser, especially not Han.

Chewie persuaded Han to do business with Jabba the Hutt so he could make regular runs to Tattoine, where Chewie could pass messages between Kenobi and Organa. When R2's urgent message came through only days before, the only way for Chewie to get back to Tattoine in time was to make the "mistake" that forced Han to dump his cargo to avoid capture. As a down side, this led to Solo's getting a death mark out on him from Jabba the Hutt. Chewie was a bit upset about the need for that but figured they weren't going to be dealing with Tattoine for much longer.

En route to Alderaan, R2 and Chewie play stop-motion chess. This is the latest in a series of games they've played over the year in the back rooms of space stations and cantinas across the galaxy, but this is the first time they've done it in front of their respective straight men, so they put on a big show.

Then it all goes wrong again. Alderaan is gone and the Falcon is caught and brought aboard the Death Star. Only Han, Luke and 3PO don't know just how much trouble they're in but Obi-Wan has a plan and seems confident (but Jedi always do). Soon afterwards, R2 finds Leia in the detention cells and shouts that they have to rescue her, to which Chewie can only agree. If Vader learns he has a daughter, then they're all in deep trouble, so Chewie does his bit to persuade Han to go along with Luke's plan.

Then, on the verge of escape, Vader himself turns up only yards from both of his children, one of whom is leaking Force all over the place. Obi-Wan stages a distraction by letting himself die and go into the Force while the others escape. At this point, Chewie suddenly realises that he's been left in charge, not only of the Death Star Plans and the survival of the Rebellion but of the secret son and daughter of Darth Vader. With the Organas and Kenobi all dead, only Chewie, R2 and Yoda know who Luke and Leia are. And only Ob-Wan knew where Yoda has been hiding. Chewie is stressed out by the responsibility and R2 (who keeps making crude jokes about the whole affair) is being no help at all.

Chewie's first problem is what is happening between Luke and Leia. With a psychic link they can feel but don't understand, thrown together in a life-or-death escape, they are looking at each other with a sparky intensity that Chewie gradually recognises as Romantic Tension. He's no expert on human relationships but Chewie is fairly sure that that's Wrong, so he does the only thing he can under the circumstances - he throws Han at her. Han is at first not interested but after a while starts to warm to the idea with an intensity that gives Chewie new worries.

When they reach Yavin, Han decides to take the money and run and Chewie decides to go with him. Looked at in cold light, it's for the good of the Rebellion. Even if Yavin is destroyed, there'll be one agent who knows what's going on who can try and put something back together, but he doesn't feel good about it. When Han decides to turn around and join the attack, Chewie is all for it.

Han and Luke get medals but Chewie doesn't. Actually, Leia offers him one but Chewie turns it down. He got one of those things from Yoda about 20 years ago, but there's no way he can tell her that.

As the film ends, the three founders of the Rebellion are all gone. Bail Organa is dead, Yoda is out of contact and Obi-Wan's ghost can only talk to other Jedi. (So that would be Yoda then.) Thus, the field leadership of the rebellion has just been turned over to the daughter of Darth Vader. Chewie is really hoping that someone with an official rank greater than hers will get here real soon before he has to think really seriously about option C.

? Keith Martin 2005[/quote]
So, thoughts?
 

puckreathof

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I've read this before, and it wasn't on Yahoo either. I thought it was a tvtropes Fanficrec but apparently not. No, wait, just found it.

A New Sith or Revenge of the Hope by Keith Martin

* Recommended by SAMAS, Joysweeper
* Synopsis: More of an essay than anything else, this re-writes the story of Episode 4, in light of the information shown in Episode 6, while not changing a single scene or line of dialogue. All the changes are in background or the thoughts of characters.
* Comments: And it makes perfect sense.
o It does make sense, and without totally throwing out the Expanded Universe! I was surprised by that. And it is a speculative essay, not a story. Canon holds that Leia had to lead everyone out of the grand hall and stand on a table to give Chewbacca his medal, but really, couldn't he have leaned down? Unfortunately this doesn't explain why Wedge wasn't up there too.


There had been a link but it is a dead link at this point. This is also fairly awesome. <a href='http://cheeseburgerbrown.com/Darth_Vader/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://cheeseburgerbrown.com/Darth_Vader/</a>
 

Prince Charon

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puckreathof said:
There had been a link but it is a dead link at this point. This is also fairly awesome. <a href='http://cheeseburgerbrown.com/Darth_Vader/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://cheeseburgerbrown.com/Darth_Vader/</a>
I read that one a while ago. Pretty funny.
 

SotF

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puckreathof said:
I've read this before, and it wasn't on Yahoo either. I thought it was a tvtropes Fanficrec but apparently not. No, wait, just found it.

A New Sith or Revenge of the Hope by Keith Martin

* Recommended by SAMAS, Joysweeper
* Synopsis: More of an essay than anything else, this re-writes the story of Episode 4, in light of the information shown in Episode 6, while not changing a single scene or line of dialogue. All the changes are in background or the thoughts of characters.
* Comments: And it makes perfect sense.
o It does make sense, and without totally throwing out the Expanded Universe! I was surprised by that. And it is a speculative essay, not a story. Canon holds that Leia had to lead everyone out of the grand hall and stand on a table to give Chewbacca his medal, but really, couldn't he have leaned down? Unfortunately this doesn't explain why Wedge wasn't up there too.


There had been a link but it is a dead link at this point. This is also fairly awesome. <a href='http://cheeseburgerbrown.com/Darth_Vader/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://cheeseburgerbrown.com/Darth_Vader/</a>
Wedge wasn't there because he was shipped out immediately, same with Farlander.

Also, at that point Luke may have not technically been an official member of the rebellion, and the rebels needed every pilot they had to throw at the Death Star...I think that part was brought up in the Farlander Papers.
 

Elvarein

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#5
The only conspiracy going on is the endless milking of the franchise through half baked plots and galaxy wide crisis that happens to plague the Star Wars verse every few years.

I could even feasibly make the argument that the galaxy would have been a much safer place under the empire and Darth Vader... T.T
 

Chuckg

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#6
Under Palpatine, maybe; Vader strikes me as an administrative disaster waiting to happen.

I mean, just look at his management style in TESB. Leave him in charge of the bureaucracy and it would be on fire and lightsabered to death within a year. :)

And then it stops being the Galactic Empire once the machinery of government is all smashed...
 

Prince Charon

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Chuckg said:
Under Palpatine, maybe; Vader strikes me as an administrative disaster waiting to happen.

I mean, just look at his management style in TESB. Leave him in charge of the bureaucracy and it would be on fire and lightsabered to death within a year. :)

And then it stops being the Galactic Empire once the machinery of government is all smashed...
No, he only kills his own men when they fail badly, and then only the top-level failure. As soon as the bureaucrats realize that inefficiency and incompetence mean death, they'll become quite efficient in a hurry, and at least put a good effort toward competence.
 

Chuckg

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I dunno; Anakin was all 'Somebody should just get rid of the Senate then!' in the prequels, while Palpatine acknowledged that dissolving the Senate would be a bad idea until he finished setting up his own independent administrative structure in parallel... a job that took him seventeen years, remember. (The Senate is not dissolved until ANH; remember Tarkin's remark during the Death Star staff conference?)

Anybody here imagine Vader waiting seventeen years? Anybody imagine him waiting seventeen hours? He has no patience and little subtlety; this makes you great for a mastermind villain's chief enforcer, but it makes you a lousy mastermind.

Nah, the historical downside of the 'kill the messenger' school of leadership is pretty clear; killing the messenger eventually ends up in messengers being afraid to tell you what's actually going on. And when /that/ gets endemic in a bureaucracy... when they start systematically lying to the boss and insulating him from reality because they all fear for their necks if the reality ever comes out... well, then you've hit the point of no return, its just a question of how long until the decline and fall of the Empire.
 
#9
I'm pretty sure Chewie never worked with Lando. Han went AWOL from an Imperial officer's academy to bust him out of slavery, and they ran into Lando and won the Millenium Falcon only several years later.

As for the Falcon being some sort of super secret Rebel ship Chewie actually owns, no. There's probably more evidence for it being the Ebon Hawk than that theory. It IS a souped-up custom job, yes, but that's largely due to it being really fucking old. I think there's a book about it's origins out there somewhere, in fact.

The rest of that does make sense though, for the most part.
 

Chuckg

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#10
The conspiracy theory is pretty much ignoring all EU content and sticking only with movies, apparently.
 

crazyfoxdemon

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#11
Chuckg said:
The conspiracy theory is pretty much ignoring all EU content and sticking only with movies, apparently.
Which most fans tend to do anyways...

Though for the life of me I can't understand why.. The EU is pretty good..
 

Chuckg

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#12
Some of the EU is pretty good... other parts are less so.

Me personally, I stopped really paying attention after the original Thrawn trilogy... and when I tried to back in, I ran straight into Kevin J. Anderson and ran away screaming.

Then I heard about Karen Travis...
 

sith2886

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#13
Obi-Wan, who saw Anakin's performance in the Pod Race, is nervous.
Um...no?
 

Lord Raine

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#14
Given his background, there is no way that Chewie would spend the crucial years of the rebellion as the second-in-command to (sorry Han) a low-level smuggler.
Han isn't low-level. Jabba controlled one fourth of the galaxy's crime. Han was Jabba's right-hand man and go-to guy for whatever he needed done. It's just that Han had a serious problem paying his debts on time, and Jabba was only willing to let that slide for so long. Hence Jabba being pissed as hell in RotJ.

Sorry, but no-dice. As much as I personally dislike cocky characters, Han really was deserving of his attitude. If anything, he was underplaying himself.

The Millenium Falcon may look like a beat-up old freighter but it can outrun any Imperial ship in normal space or hyperspace, hang in a firefight with a Star Destroyer or outmaneouvre a dozen top-of-the-line TIE fighters. It's a remarkable feat of engineering and must have cost a colossal fortune to build. How does Han come to own a ship like that? He only thinks he does, actually it's Chewie's. Half-way through RotS, we see the Falcon landing at the Senate building on Coruscant. If it's the same ship (which of course it is) then it was the personal transport of one of the senatorial delegations - a much more likely source to commission its design.
Except there's a much more simple explanation. Han is a high-roller for one of the biggest crime syndicates in the universe. His cut of one smuggling run would be in the hundreds of millions of credits (and his debts would logically be just as astronomical, which explains Jabba getting fed up with him). Han customized the Falcon himself from a stock freighter: confirmed canon fact. The reason it's so badass is because he's dumped dozens of fortunes into getting the best equipment possible for it.

If you see the Falcon pre-ANH, it's not because some random senator has it. It's because Han has some business there.

If this conspiracy is going to work, it has to be spun two ways: Either Han is in on it (which is unlikely), or Chewbacca deliberately got into a Life Debt with Han, probably with the intent of not only spying on him and Jabba for the Alliance, but also because their constant traveling would make Chewie the ideal courier for messages and important packages like data discs.

When R2's urgent message came through only days before, the only way for Chewie to get back to Tattoine in time was to make the "mistake" that forced Han to dump his cargo to avoid capture. As a down side, this led to Solo's getting a death mark out on him from Jabba the Hutt.
Except that's not why Jabba put a mark on Han. As Han pointed out in RotJ, this is a smuggling operation. You have to expect that sometimes, you have to dump your cargo. It's part of the business. Jabba is evil, not stupid. He knows what a valuable asset Han is, and he knows that sometimes, Shit Happens?. He's not going to order a hit on Han just because he had to dump some cargo. It was the fact that Han was deeply in debt and that, due to working for the Rebels, he basically disappeared completely off Jabba's radar for about three years, give or take, with no explanation or warning whatsoever. In the deleted remastered scenes in the extended remake, there's actually a scene where this is talked about. Jabba is there at Mos Isley and has a conversation with Han about the dumped cargo, where Han explains that the Imperials were on his ass, and Jabba says he understands, but that this really looks bad on top of his debts. Han then tells Jabba not to worry, he thinks he's got a new job that will pay well and work out just fine (ferrying Obi-Wan and crew).

Also, Chewie is a really cool guy. I'm having some serious issues with how you're trying to portray his character. Chewie is the quintessential Wookiee. He's honorable, noble, kind, and scary as fuck when you piss him off. He wasn't nearly amoral enough to throw a noose around Han's neck just to get an important message through. That's completely out of character.

This theory is basically how I viewed the originals after seeing the prequels, except you're ruining it by throwing in a bunch of extra shit that is nonsensical, unnecessarily complicated, and in violation of stuff we know for a fact is true.

Chewie's first problem is what is happening between Luke and Leia. With a psychic link they can feel but don't understand, thrown together in a life-or-death escape, they are looking at each other with a sparky intensity that Chewie gradually recognises as Romantic Tension. He's no expert on human relationships but Chewie is fairly sure that that's Wrong
While it is funny to imagine that Chewie was the resident Incest Cop busting up cargo-hold gropings, Wookiees have no problems whatsoever with incest. That's come up several times. They actually prefer it when possible. It's the 'Noble' choice, because for them, it produces stronger offspring. There's a theory running that the reason it isn't Bad? for Wookiees at all is because they're an engineered species, on top of the Rakata Lifeseeds scattered across the planet mutating all life there in an unknown but blatantly radical manner (hint: the reason the Wookiees live in the trees is because the planet proper is a fucking Deathworld, and even they wouldn't survive if they left the trees and built stuff on the ground).

If anyone was the Incest Cop, it would have been R2, who is fully sentient due to not having had a memory wipe for several decades and, having spent pretty much all that time around humans of various stripes, races, and walks of life, would know that incest is bad for humans. Chewie, if anything, would have been rooting for it. From his point of view, Luke and Leia would be like the Prince marrying the Princess. It's the obvious choice.

Feel free to imagine Chewie owing R2 credits after all of this was over. I sure like to.

Han and Luke get medals but Chewie doesn't. Actually, Leia offers him one but Chewie turns it down. He got one of those things from Yoda about 20 years ago, but there's no way he can tell her that.
First of all, Chewie is basically naked except for a bandoleer. He doesn't have much to pin a medal too. Secondly, I'm 80% sure he did get a medal, though it might be only in the extended cut.
 

Pirazy

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If Han's debt is so astronomical then what difference would the spare change that is his fee for ferrying Obi-Wan and Luke to Alderaan do? :mellow:
 

bissek

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#16
True - Kenobi's charter was supposed to cover Han's existing debt plus a 15% late fee.
 

Lord Raine

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#17
Pirazy said:
If Han's debt is so astronomical then what difference would the spare change that is his fee for ferrying Obi-Wan and Luke to Alderaan do? :mellow:
We don't know how much he offered. Considering Obi-Wan's past and his connections to the Rebels, he could have had the credits to dig Han out.
 

gojiita

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#18
Lord Raine said:
Pirazy said:
If Han's debt is so astronomical then what difference would the spare change that is his fee for ferrying Obi-Wan and Luke to Alderaan do? :mellow:
We don't know how much he offered. Considering Obi-Wan's past and his connections to the Rebels, he could have had the credits to dig Han out.
Obi-Wan offered 17K, 2K now and 15K upon arrival. Han said that would go a long way to paying that debt. And most of that was raised by selling Luke's speeder (don't remember how much).
 

Hypothesis

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#19
gojiita said:
Lord Raine said:
Pirazy said:
If Han's debt is so astronomical then what difference would the spare change that is his fee for ferrying Obi-Wan and Luke to Alderaan do? :mellow:
We don't know how much he offered. Considering Obi-Wan's past and his connections to the Rebels, he could have had the credits to dig Han out.
Obi-Wan offered 17K, 2K now and 15K upon arrival. Han said that would go a long way to paying that debt. And most of that was raised by selling Luke's speeder (don't remember how much).
17k for someone who wasn't previously paying anything towards the debt would be a long way. Those boxes of apparently, cash, that Han was loading at the end of IV seems like it may be a nice chunk of change.
 
#20
It's also more than what Han was asking for, Obi-Wan offered 15 at the other end because he obviously didn't have enough to pay it up front. I can't remember what Han asked for, 10?
 

Prince Charon

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Christopher Robin said:
It's also more than what Han was asking for, Obi-Wan offered 15 at the other end because he obviously didn't have enough to pay it up front.? I can't remember what Han asked for, 10?
Pretty sure it was 10,000, yeah. Apparently, you can 'almost' buy a ship (presumably hyperdrive-equipped) for that. At least, as far as Luke knows.
 

Shiakou

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#22
Prince Charon said:
Christopher Robin said:
It's also more than what Han was asking for, Obi-Wan offered 15 at the other end because he obviously didn't have enough to pay it up front.á I can't remember what Han asked for, 10?
Pretty sure it was 10,000, yeah. Apparently, you can 'almost' buy a ship (presumably hyperdrive-equipped) for that. At least, as far as Luke knows.
Considering that its Luke, that ship may be an old wreck scavenged and taped together by Jawas.

A ship's still a ship, though.
 

Lord Raine

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Christopher Robin said:
It's also more than what Han was asking for, Obi-Wan offered 15 at the other end because he obviously didn't have enough to pay it up front.
Obviously? Don't you mean "he offered the rest when we get there as insurance we get there"?

Obi-Wan doesn't know Han. Obi-Wan doesn't trust Han. Offering some now and the rest when we get there is shrewd negociating. He has no guarantee that Han wouldn't just take the money and ditch them somewhere. Offering significantly more when they get there is insurance that they do.

Well, that, and Obi-Wan being a Jedi, but he can't exactly play that card. Even if Han believed him, the idea is to under the radar. Vader is still actively hunting Jedi.

17k for someone who wasn't previously paying anything towards the debt would be a long way.
Especially seeing how he's basically just doing taxi service, and a full round trip wouldn't take more than a few days, considering the speed of Star Wars hyperdrives in general and the Millennium Falcon in particular. This was an awesome deal for Han. Assuming, of course, that nothing goes wrong. But what could possibly go wrong? It's not like Alderann could just disappear, right?

Considering that its Luke, that ship may be an old wreck scavenged and taped together by Jawas.
Considering Luke is a mechanic and gearhead, it's probably not. He would know the prices of that sort of thing. Hell, he's probably got a stack of starship-centric magazines in his room on the farm.

(<a href='http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/classic-car-images/magazines.jpg[/img]

Plus, Han agrees with Luke, but says that there's "no stock ship" that could match the Falcon. And Han is right, considering how ridiculously tweaked the Falcon is. So I'd say that's probably the cost of a brand-new one, though perhaps not a top-of-the line one.
 

Prince Charon

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Lord Raine said:
Considering that its Luke, that ship may be an old wreck scavenged and taped together by Jawas.
Considering Luke is a mechanic and gearhead, it's probably not. He would know the prices of that sort of thing. Hell, he's probably got a stack of starship-centric magazines in his room on the farm.



Plus, Han agrees with Luke, but says that there's "no stock ship" that could match the Falcon. And Han is right, considering how ridiculously tweaked the Falcon is. So I'd say that's probably the cost of a brand-new one, though perhaps not a top-of-the line one.
See, this part I mostly agree with. Luke probably spent hours fantasizing about getting a cool ship, and trying to work out how he'd get enough money for one. He likely even thought about pod-racing, but there's no way in hell Owen Lars would have allowed that (for more than one reason).

Mind you, the ship he was thinking about for almost 10K could easily have been a fixer-upper, since he is a gearhead.
 

DhampyrX2

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I'd love to hear the conspiracy theory we could pull together here where R2 was still working for Vader the whole time as a means of keeping Luke and Leia off safe and off of Palpatine's radar for as long as possible. When you think about it, he was far from above assinging hidden bodyguards for Luke (*cough*Jix*cough*) in canon once he was aware of Luke being alive. I could see him using R2 as a means of protecting Leia. He's happy leaving Luke safely in obsurity until R2 learns, from Leia no less, that Kenobi is on Tatooine as well. Of course R2 has to arrange things to check on Ani's some and ANH happens.
 
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