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Morsamare · Jul 22, 2011

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... for all the rest of this discussion the one thing that confuses me is why the hell is Naruto carrying Sasuke? I mean really Tsunade is the medic who is stronger than him. Her freakish strength perhaps no match at the moment for Gamabuta's sword, but should easily accommodate one person, much less one child.

Trrnt · Jul 22, 2011

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You have it the other way around, Naruto's stronger at this point. And Sasuke knows him better. The entire story so far has been Sasuke and Naruto to the exclusion of Tsunade.

Ryuugi stated it, Tsunade's just a six year old genin right now. Highly competent, sure, that she's able to match a 12-year old opponent, but equipped only with Academy basics, enhanced chakra control, and what little else gained as a genin. She's hardly had the time or inclination to train her medic or strength-enhancement chakra skills.

Morsamare · Jul 22, 2011

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The databook gives Tsunade a 5 strength, even without enchancements or at least that's my assumption since it gives post time skip sakura a 3.5. And Sakura with the enchancement easily beats out those listed as 4s.

Of course we could just argue about how you can't lift a freaking huge object with an impact enhancer, but since she's six i'm just saying she's probably still a good deal stronger than her teammates if even a fraction of it was natural.

On a side note, if we look at the more modern genin almost all of them have the traits that define them while they were genin, and these three are going for thier Chuunin exams, I think that gives her enough time to at least get started on her defining characteristics.

Shirotsume · Jul 22, 2011

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Aha. Databook.

Can already tell you don't see how it works, given that you're trying to compare her to other people.

zeebee1 · Jul 22, 2011

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This is the same databook that listed Sasuke and Chiyo as having the same level of strength. Having ratings that only go up to five is troublesome even if someone is less than a five.

Yorae Rasante · Jul 22, 2011

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This reminds me of Saint Seiya here while the fanfiction.com.br forum still existed, I think (it has been some years, so I may be wrong of where it was). Canonically all gold saints are relativelly the same power level (with the possible exception of Dohku, but that's because he lived three centuries more), but that's not what the databooks said.

ankokudaishogun · Jul 22, 2011

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the Saint Seiya databook did talk only about their abilities in various fields, but their power-level is given by their Cosmo, and nothing was said about that(except Shaka's having the greatest)

Yorae Rasante · Jul 23, 2011

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It involved the fact that even though they are supposed to be balanced enough a gold saint would stay in a stalemate for a thousand days with another the stats for that ex-Aries whose name I forgot had so much higher stats than almost everyone else.

Deleted member 5249 · Jul 24, 2011

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Loki Fenrisulf IV said:

The Databook said that? I know one of the databooks said Rhadamanthys had the fist to even beat a gold saint. (Bad luck he fought Kanon I guess) I was pretty sure that Libra Dohko was the only one who said that line about a 1000 days and nights and he was talking about Shion specifically.

Pope Aries Shion stalemating Libra makes sense. They're old friends who canonically got promoted from Bronze Saint level to Gold level together and fought together for over 243 years. Any other fight between golds have repeatedly been much shorter.

On topic, I'm super glad this updated. This is still the only Naruto fic I look forward to.

lask · Jul 24, 2011

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Anowack's works are good, though 'One Hundred Weeks' won't make a lick of sense if you don't read 'One Hundred Days' first. There are a few others interesting ones around, though most haven't updated in quite a while. Still, this is a solid story.

ankokudaishogun · Jul 24, 2011

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Deathmask vs Shaka is the only impossible Gold vs Gold One Hundred Wars

Yorae Rasante · Jul 24, 2011

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Not really, it was first mentioned when Aioria was facing Milo because he let Seiya live when the Sagitarius cloth protected him at the hospital. It was mentioned then, but Saga used that brainwashing technique of his on Aioria and so it never happened.

ankokudaishogun · Jul 25, 2011

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All the Gold Saints have roughly the same amount of Cosmo, and in Saint Seiya Cosmo>all(included ability and experience)

Therefore all the Gold Saints in-fights were likely to end in an One Hundred Wars.

From the Encyclopaedia we learn DM vs Shaka is the only impossible one.

Given the manga, we also know Shaka is simply going to own anybody when he uses his sealed chakra. Except Hakurei and Sage from The Lost Canvas anime. Hakurei one-shot Minos with ONE PUNCH back when he was young in the 1500 Holy War(and using his Silver Cloth)

Deleted member 5249 · Jul 25, 2011

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The LC anime added that? Ugh I'm just glad ND made LC not canon. For over a hundred chapters in LC Rhadamanthys was the most sympathetic/awesome character there. Shion and Dohko were just awful in LC. Alone is a complete monster and Tenma was retarded.

ankokudaishogun · Jul 25, 2011

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Sorry man, but LC is still canon ALONG Next Dimension.
No, I have no idea how that work, but they are BOTH canon, with LC being the canonical prequel and ND the canonical sequel. And yes, it's official. As I said, no idea how that work(except ND being set in the past of a different dimension, which would explain a lot of things)

That said, I don't get the problem over Hakurei one-shotting Minos. Cosmo is infinite, so there can be somebody stronger than a Underworld Leader, or even Shaka.

Also, Pandora is the best and most sympathetic character of LC, IMHO. She basically did draw the shortest straw everytime at everything ever.
I agree on Alone and Tenma, but Dohko and Shion manage to be even WORSE in ND. And while Dohko had a few empowering feats(the trident inside the Ryuhisho, surviving Athena's blood), Shion managed to be even more useless than Milo. And ND Shion is even worse(a totally useless weak idiot)

On a side note, the LC anime is actually better than the manga most often than not: they did work with the author to remove some of the problems of the manga(like the whole barrier and people randomly appearing\disappearing debacle in the Hypnos arc) and adding some flashback\backstory(El Cid makes much more sense, his pupils get constellations and a combinated attack and Sage and Manigoldo manage to be even more awesome. Also, 1500 Athena was hot and stacked)

mmm... I feel like we are somehow out of topic...

Deleted member 5249 · Jul 25, 2011

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ankokudaishogun said:

Dude Lc isn't canon. ND is the prequel and the sequel to SS written by Kurumada and has different previous century gold saints making LC not canon by default. The scanlators of LC and ND at SaintSeiyafan stressed LC isn't canon to Seiyaverse just a spinoff by a fan like Episode G.

ND Shion gets a break. He was a bronze just the other day and his first fight after being promoted is a former Silver and now Hell Judge. LC Shion has been fighting for years. I loved classic Pandora and loathe LC's version.

Seriously Shounen Champion is screwing Kurumada badly just to get every penny out of SS.
I miss Ikki, Shun and Seiya and they pushed back the newest chapter of ND again. Though LOL at the fact ND's first volume outsold any volume of LC.

Edit: We really should stop spamming this topic with SS discussion though.

ankokudaishogun · Jul 25, 2011

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uh, no.
NOWHERE at all anything is said about LC not being canon, while it HAS been declared officially being canon. Same with Episode G, nowhere at all is ever said it's not canon.

so, yeah. Currently, all the Saint Seiya manga are canon, even when they contradict each other.
I mean, the Hyoga's gaiden story is canon, and it makes not sense at all in the continuity!

yeah... there isn't a Saint Seiya topic in the anime\manga section?

Ryuugi · Oct 31, 2011

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He didnï¿½t manage to get far before Tsunadeï¿½s struggling nearly made him drop her.

Even though he knew she was upset, for a moment Naruto wanted to scold herï¿½she had every right to yell at him and Sasuke and probably deserved to punch each of them at least once, but she should at least wait to do so until heï¿½d gotten her to safety, rather that endanger the mission.

And then he swallowed the words.

He wasnï¿½t carrying Sakura. He wasnï¿½t carrying Hinata or Ino or Tenten.

He was carrying Tsunade. Not the one he knew so well, but one he barely knew at all. She was young and scared and not even really a true ninja, yetï¿½she was a girl who had just been abandoned by the two people she was supposed to be able to rely on.

He couldnï¿½tï¿½and shouldnï¿½tï¿½expect her to act like one of friends in the future. He couldnï¿½t expect her to act like a ninja more than twice her age that was a rank or two high than her with a hundred times the missions.

If he wanted to ever make things right, he had to treat Tsunade as her own personï¿½not as a teammate that didnï¿½t exist anymore or as a faceless member of the team.

More than that, this wasnï¿½t even a real mission. This was something theyï¿½d dragged Tsunade into for the sake of their own improvement and forced her to keep up despite not having years of training like they did.

And in the end, this ï¿½missionï¿½ wasnï¿½t even important, was it? They didnï¿½t want to be Genin anymore, but truthfully, none of the things they were really trying to prevent would happen for decades. Having a head start wouldnï¿½t hurtï¿½it never didï¿½but when they had this much time, there was no excuse for endangering a teammate by hurrying.

If his younger, future self had seen how heï¿½d screwed up today, he would have punched him in the face.

So he stopped. He set Tsunade down on her feet on top of a building and took two steps back. She whirled towards him immediately, fire in her eyes.

ï¿½You left me!ï¿½ She shrieked. ï¿½You bastard; you left me behind! I thought me were supposed to be a team!?ï¿½

Her voice would draw more people, but at this point, Naruto didnï¿½t care. If they came, theyï¿½d have to deal with them; it was as simple as that.

ï¿½Your right,ï¿½ He said. ï¿½I did. I screwed up and I have no excuse, but Iï¿½m sorry.ï¿½

ï¿½Why? Why are you two always doing this?ï¿½ Tsunade demanded, continuing when Narutoï¿½s brow furrowed. ï¿½Donï¿½t act like you donï¿½t know what I mean! Every day, you and Orochimaru vanish off together and every time, you come back stronger. If youï¿½re training, why not bring me? Is it because Iï¿½m a girl? Is it because you think Iï¿½m weak!?ï¿½

Hints of tears were gathering in her eyes.

ï¿½No,ï¿½ Naruto said. ï¿½Itï¿½sï¿½itï¿½s not that. I canï¿½t really explain, but Orochimaru and I decided we had to get stronger and we didnï¿½t think of anyone else. Weï¿½re assholes and it was wrong for us to exclude you. It wonï¿½t happen again, I promise. But Tsunadeï¿½weï¿½re in danger if we stay hereï¿½and Orochimaruï¿½s in danger if we leave him alone. We have to get back to him, now.ï¿½

But his words just made Tsunade angrier.

ï¿½Who cares!? This is just a stupid Examï¿½we can take it as many times as we want!ï¿½

Naruto nodded.

ï¿½Do you want us to drop out, then? We can do it, if you want. All we have to do is get back to Orochimaru and make him do pushups or something. If thatï¿½s want you want, letï¿½s goï¿½because youï¿½re right. We can take this Exam as many times as me want; it doesnï¿½t matter if we win or lose. If you want to, will drop outï¿½so do you want to?ï¿½

ï¿½ï¿½No.ï¿½ She said, not sounding any less angry, but seeming resolved.

Naruto had figured as much. Heï¿½d meant what heï¿½d said, but even while she was upset with them, Tsunade had come here to take the test just like they had. Maybe she didnï¿½t want to lose. Maybe she didnï¿½t want to disappoint her family or sensei. Maybe she had a goal or dream like they did.

Naruto was kind of ashamed that he didnï¿½t know which was true, but he knew Tsunade, if only in the future, and she wouldnï¿½t back down from something like this.

He pointed at the house heï¿½d hidden Sasuke in, which was just barely in sight.

ï¿½Go get Orochimaru and win this. Iï¿½ll stay here.ï¿½ He said.

ï¿½What?ï¿½ Tsunade blinked. ï¿½Why?ï¿½

ï¿½Our little talk probably drew some unwanted attention. Someone has to keep away anyone who shows upï¿½and youï¿½ve been left behind too many times.ï¿½

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Ryuugi · Oct 31, 2011

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When Tsunade rushed in, Sasuke was surprised to see that she was alone.

ï¿½Whereï¿½s Jiraiya?ï¿½ He asked.

Tsunade hesitated in replying and Sasukeï¿½s experience in determining people emotions allowed him to tell that she was uncertain how to feel.

ï¿½He stayed behind to keep the others off our back.ï¿½ She said after the moment passed.

Sasuke nodded in understanding. It wasnï¿½t an uncommon tacticï¿½one person staying behind to protect his fellows. It wouldnï¿½t be the first time Naruto had done it.

Hell, heï¿½d done it more than once.

ï¿½Then heï¿½ll meet us at the finish line.ï¿½ Sasuke said. He wasnï¿½t worried in the slightestï¿½an Exam like this, where all the participants are limited to ninja of Konoha, was unlikely to be dangerous. While in the future, casualties between villages was to be expected, in this time period, a ninja killing people from his own villageï¿½or even hurting them badlyï¿½was likely to be heavily frowned up.

And, well, he could admit to himself that he had faith in Naruto.

So he wouldnï¿½t waste time being concerned for his friend, especially since there wasnï¿½t really anything he could do about it anyway.

Instead, he had his own concerns.

ï¿½Can you carry me?ï¿½ He asked, a bit dubiously. He knew that in the future, Tsunade had monstrous strength, but wasnï¿½t sure if that stemmed as far back as this.

But Tsunade gave him a quick frown, before picking him as Naruto had done before, dismissing his worries. Without needing to be pressed, she quickly took off, heading for their destination. As he had done before, whilst it was Naruto carrying him, he acted as a lookout, but Tsunade seemed to know where to go, so he largely remained silent, as did Tsunade.

Stillï¿½even Sasuke could tell when he needed to say something.

He debated with himself over what to say, however. He wasnï¿½t really good with apologies. Hell, he could be honest; he wasnï¿½t good at admitting he was wrong, either. But he could acknowledge that heï¿½d screwed up with Tsunade.

ï¿½ï¿½It wasnï¿½t Jiraiyaï¿½s fault, you know.ï¿½ He said.

Tsunade seemed startled at his words. For a moment, she nearly stopped running, but she shook her head, apparently realizing that was the wrong thing to do, and kept moving.

ï¿½What wasnï¿½t?ï¿½ She asked, but he could tell by her tone that she knew what he was talking about.

ï¿½Leaving you behind. It was his job to carry me, but I was supposed to be the look out. I was so focused on watching for enemies and making sure we were going the right way that I made a mistake and ignored you. Iï¿½m sorry.ï¿½ He said.

Tsunade was silent.

ï¿½What about all those times you went of training together?ï¿½ She asked. The ï¿½without meï¿½ went unsaid, by Sasuke understood nonetheless.

ï¿½Youï¿½ve probably noticed Iï¿½mï¿½antisocial at the best of times.ï¿½ Sasuke replied. ï¿½Leaving you behind is my fault too. Iï¿½m not good at working as part of a team.ï¿½

ï¿½Except with Jiraiya.ï¿½ Tsunade said. ï¿½You donï¿½t seem to mind working with him, even though you too are so different from each other. How did you to even become friends? I didnï¿½t think you got along at the Academy.ï¿½

This was one part of Orochimaruï¿½s childhood that Sasuke felt he could grasp. If Jiraiya had been anything like Naruto in the Academy, thenï¿½

ï¿½We didnï¿½t.ï¿½ He said. He already knew the similarities that existed between him and Orochimaru. ï¿½Butï¿½I guess he grew on me. Like some kind of fungus. Heï¿½ll do that to you too, eventually. Once he considers you a friend, thereï¿½s really no way around it.ï¿½

ï¿½ï¿½Hmph.ï¿½

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Yorae Rasante · Nov 1, 2011

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Hey, I thought you had abandoned this!

Nice, it has good potential, I was sad to see it being left to waste.

MTing · Nov 1, 2011

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Wow, first this, then Holding Back the Sea and Devil's Advocate? You're a machine, man. It's great that you updated this. Looking forward to any new updates from you. ^_^

Hymn of Ragnarok · Nov 2, 2011

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I remember this fic. It was good. It is still good.

Hope to see more of it in the future.

sinewyk · Nov 2, 2011

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Jiraiya is a high chakra ninja ... he's a juggernaut. I think we never saw him suffer from chakra exhaustion. He had trouble in his fights because he lacked info, chakra control (drug) and because he's a perv. But that's it. He has a shitload of chakra because obviously, only someone with a shitload of chakra can do the senjutsu training, otherwise the Nature overcomes you. I'm pretty sure the number of people that could do the senjutsu training on terms of chakra are fairly rare.
I guess there's Jiraiya, Naruto (because of the kyuubi), maybe Kisame ...
All others Ninja went the opposite way to train, focused on their control rather than their overall chakra; like Kakashi, high chakra control, but small chakra.
Ranking the chakra pools, I would rank Orochimaru on a scale of the Sandaime ... Tsunade on the scale of Kakashi but with an absurd control.
I guess there's genetic, and then the training they are shooting for. Considering that Orochimaru, Jiraiya and Tsunade had the same teach, I suppose genetically Jiraiya was a juggernaut, Orochimaru a mix, and Tsunade a control freak. It fits them.
Great fic, keep on =)

lask · Nov 2, 2011

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Cool! I thought this had died, nice to see it stick it's head up again. It will be interesting to see who Naruto and Sasuke deal with Tsunade - they really do have secrets that set them apart that they don't want to share with her, after all.

Yorae Rasante · Nov 2, 2011

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sinewyk said:

This idea is old news, Naruto has high chakra because of his Uzumaki blood, not because of the Kyuubi. Even if it hadn't been confirmed he made over a hundred KB in the first chapter/episode, much longer before he was able to channel the Kyuubi's chakra (that is, after fighting Haku in Wave).

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