Avatar:TLA Miscellaneous Ideas Thread

crazyfoxdemon

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#76
It's interesting and I could see it happening for the most part.... Although I couldn't see Iroh drowning himself in booze and women.. I could instead see him going off in search of Azula. Azula wouldn't probably be as good of a bender as she is in canon though, mainly because she hasn't had proper instruction in five years.. Of course she probably trained by herself but that just doesn't hold up to the best fire bending instructors that she had in canon...

As for Azula trying to patch things up between Ozai and Aang... I could see that lasting for as long as it takes for a fire nation soilder to find out who she is and to try and kill her for 'treason'. If that happened that I could see her failing into a sort of depression... And if both Azula and Katara find Aang in the ice, who would his love interest be?
 

Hashasheen

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#77
Hashasheen said:
Veld said:
I have 2 ideas for Avatar.

First, after Hama discovers Blood Bending and escapes from the Fire Nation, Roku appears to her a la Jeong Jeong and gets her to go back to the Southern Water Tribe.? From there let your imagination run wild.
Hama would have to meet Aang for that to happen. It was when he was arguing with him that Roku appeared.
But let's say she does return to the South Pole after fleeing. Maybe after the raid which takes Katara and Sokka's mother. Her hatred of Fire Nation influences both the children heavily, and her training of Katara in the water-bending arts influences her further, that she even begins teaching her the basics of bloodbending. The village is more built up with two benders helping in construction and the wall, and when the men leave for war, Hama agrees to join them for battle, leaving her apprentice behind.

When Aang shows up, Katara's a superior bender with dark tendencies, in comparison to Sokka who's pretty much the same as Canon with some slight fear of his sister.

Thoughts?
 

crazyfoxdemon

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#78
Hashasheen said:
Hashasheen said:
Veld said:
I have 2 ideas for Avatar.

First, after Hama discovers Blood Bending and escapes from the Fire Nation, Roku appears to her a la Jeong Jeong and gets her to go back to the Southern Water Tribe.á From there let your imagination run wild.
Hama would have to meet Aang for that to happen. It was when he was arguing with him that Roku appeared.
But let's say she does return to the South Pole after fleeing. Maybe after the raid which takes Katara and Sokka's mother. Her hatred of Fire Nation influences both the children heavily, and her training of Katara in the water-bending arts influences her further, that she even begins teaching her the basics of bloodbending. The village is more built up with two benders helping in construction and the wall, and when the men leave for war, Hama agrees to join them for battle, leaving her apprentice behind.

When Aang shows up, Katara's a superior bender with dark tendencies, in comparison to Sokka who's pretty much the same as Canon with some slight fear of his sister.

Thoughts?
It sounds interesting.. Instead of a journey to the North Pole in search of a water bending master, I could see them going on a journey to find Hama.... Also if Katara really is darker.... then Zuko is screwed....
 

grant

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#79
Can't see it. There was an episode with a fair number of flashback scenes showing Azula several years younger, and she was a vicious piece of work. Getting the idea to challenge a dragon, that, I could see, but her being friends with a Waterbender peasant? Hell no. Mai and Ty Lee aren't Firebenders, but both are at least Fire Nation (Mai is a nobleman's daughter and Ty Lee almost certainly is as well) and Azula finds their skills useful.

To be honest, I really can't see Azula as a nice person either. Maybe at the start of her life, but if so she quickly went one small step away from being nuts. Doesn't mean the fic can't be written, just that it would have to be done well for me to read.

Aang, of course, is cheerily oblivious. Without Zuko's presence there is no real prod to send him off, so he leaves the south pole a little later with Azula, Katara and Sokka accompanying him to the Southern Air Temple and eventually the north pole.
I also can't see Aang delaying. The moment he found out about the war he'd probably be flying as fast as he could to the Temple. He might be an unrealistic pacifist but he does show a sense of duty.


When Aang shows up, Katara's a superior bender with dark tendencies, in comparison to Sokka who's pretty much the same as Canon with some slight fear of his sister.
Doesn't sound like someone who would even consider accepting a firebender, even the Avatar. Also sounds like she could turn yandere very fast.
 

Hashasheen

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#80
grant said:
When Aang shows up, Katara's a superior bender with dark tendencies, in comparison to Sokka who's pretty much the same as Canon with some slight fear of his sister.
Doesn't sound like someone who would even consider accepting a firebender, even the Avatar. Also sounds like she could turn yandere very fast.
Maybe. Depending on Hama indoctirnates her, she could see his firebending as a way of humiliating the firebenders by killing them with their own weapons of death.
 

crazyfoxdemon

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#81
grant said:
Can't see it. There was an episode with a fair number of flashback scenes showing Azula several years younger, and she was a vicious piece of work. Getting the idea to challenge a dragon, that, I could see, but her being friends with a Waterbender peasant? Hell no. Mai and Ty Lee aren't Firebenders, but both are at least Fire Nation (Mai is a nobleman's daughter and Ty Lee almost certainly is as well) and Azula finds their skills useful.

To be honest, I really can't see Azula as a nice person either. Maybe at the start of her life, but if so she quickly went one small step away from being nuts. Doesn't mean the fic can't be written, just that it would have to be done well for me to read.
You're forgetting that Azula would be NINE when she ran away..And 9 year old children aren't known for making smart decisions... She may be an evil asshole of a nine year old but still a nine year old girl... With her pride it's all to easy to see her thinking that she's ready to go fight in the war and stowing away on a Fire Nation battleship... And when she did get to the South Pole, is it too hard to believe that a 9 year old would be traumatized by the killing of women and children right in front of her? Especially if she romantised the war like most young people tend to do...

As for Azula being 'nice', I would think it would have more to do with her being stranded at the South Pole for years with only Katara as company or a friend.... She would probably still be a lil messed up in the head.. but then again if she was traumatized like that as a child, then it's understandable...
 

ryugabriev

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#82
It's probably the optimist in me but I see Azula being scared straight from this...at least somewhat. If she then latched onto the next one her age afterward, her possessive nature would turn her into a very protective sort of person.

Very clingy, very different without that whole 'Control everything' thing she starts developing during the series. Actually played right, it would be more of a "I'll do anything for your happiness, Katara" putting her into a subservient role.

With Aang...hard call. Without knowing what sorts of couplings that exist in Airbender society, it could go either way depending on who met his eyes first. It could be like that one Aang/Toph story in which the Air Nomads were gender separated until certain times of the year where all of them got together and had a massive orgy for several days.

If it was like that, I have no problems seeing Aang believe in polygamy, especially since he needs to have such a thing to replenish the Air Nomads' population with any fraction of success.
 

drakensis

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#83
Azula
I'd agree that Azula was not a nice person, even as a little girl. However, after taking a serious hit to her worldview (seeing a child killed), surviving essentially alone on the ice for a while (and possibly going ever so slightly feral) and then being essentially dependent upon Katara for virtually all human contact, some degree of change (for better or worse) would be inevitable. Kids are impressionable after all and if you remove Ozai's political scheming as an influence and substitute someone for a society that has been pushed to the brink of extinction, then the influences will inevitably be different.

I'm not sure about her being subservient, but... hmm. If you're familiar with the Belgariad, think of her as Polgara to Katara's Beldaran. Azula's the the confident, hardedged one - but when it comes to it, she does not cross Katara over anything serious. She'd probably still be a bitchy, but less of a lying manipulative bitch (for lack of practise if anything else) and less capable as a fire bender, although perhaps having picked up a few non-standard tricks. I wouldn't rate her chances at patching up any sort of truce, but unrealistic goals are still goals...

Iroh
I was leaning towards Iroh having latched onto Zuko after his return home as someone to live for. He does not appear to have been as close to Azula (who would be presumed a victim of palace intrigue). This doesn't mean that Iroh couldn't make a return to form given motive, but having him start off as an almost helpless hedonist living half his life in memories doesn't seem impossible.

Aang
At the start of the series I don't think Aang was all that dutiful. While Katara wasn't entirely forthcoming about the situation, he still hung around to play with penguins and explored the ship with no real concern or urgency. Offhand, until he found Gyatso's body he probably didn't believe any of it. So until he gets to the Temple, some goofing off and delays seem quite likely. For that matter, even afterwards he was all for going to ride the koi or visiting Omashu to mess with the mail system.
I don't tend to worry much about pairings. Quite possibly there would be some indecision on his part. I'd be interested in a link to that Aang/Toph fic.
 

grant

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#84
Aang
At the start of the series I don't think Aang was all that dutiful. While Katara wasn't entirely forthcoming about the situation, he still hung around to play with penguins and explored the ship with no real concern or urgency. Offhand, until he found Gyatso's body he probably didn't believe any of it. So until he gets to the Temple, some goofing off and delays seem quite likely. For that matter, even afterwards he was all for going to ride the koi or visiting Omashu to mess with the mail system.
Have to admit you have a point. Of course it wouldn't take him long to find out that there's a war going on, but I can't say what he would do without the impetus of Zuko arriving.

On another mistake I made, Aang actually doesn't seem to be even a technical pacifist until the plot needed another problem for him. He certainly didn't show any hesitation in knocking dozens of soldiers off a cliff in the Northern Air Temple episode, a cliff that was so high nobody could actually attack the temple until technology advanced far enough.
 
#85
crazyfoxdemon said:
grant said:
Can't see it. There was an episode with a fair number of flashback scenes showing Azula several years younger, and she was a vicious piece of work. Getting the idea to challenge a dragon, that, I could see, but her being friends with a Waterbender peasant? Hell no. Mai and Ty Lee aren't Firebenders, but both are at least Fire Nation (Mai is a nobleman's daughter and Ty Lee almost certainly is as well) and Azula finds their skills useful.

To be honest, I really can't see Azula as a nice person either. Maybe at the start of her life, but if so she quickly went one small step away from being nuts. Doesn't mean the fic can't be written, just that it would have to be done well for me to read.
You're forgetting that Azula would be NINE when she ran away..And 9 year old children aren't known for making smart decisions... She may be an evil asshole of a nine year old but still a nine year old girl... With her pride it's all to easy to see her thinking that she's ready to go fight in the war and stowing away on a Fire Nation battleship... And when she did get to the South Pole, is it too hard to believe that a 9 year old would be traumatized by the killing of women and children right in front of her? Especially if she romantised the war like most young people tend to do...

As for Azula being 'nice', I would think it would have more to do with her being stranded at the South Pole for years with only Katara as company or a friend.... She would probably still be a lil messed up in the head.. but then again if she was traumatized like that as a child, then it's understandable...
Wait, would this make Azula Yandere for Katara?
 

zeebee1

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#86
If that was the case Sokka would be dead. And Azula's problems aren't so easily cured. She was born a monster. Her own mother said as much. She was always evil.
 

grant

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#87
The only time I remember their mother actually appearing was in Azula's hallucinations, when she stated she still loved Azula.
 
#88
grant said:
The only time I remember their mother actually appearing was in Azula's hallucinations, when she stated she still loved Azula.
She was in an episode that had several flashbacks. It was early in Book 3 Fire.
 

lask

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#90
zeebee1 said:
If that was the case Sokka would be dead. And Azula's problems aren't so easily cured. She was born a monster. Her own mother said as much. She was always evil.
While getting called a monster by your own mother doens't make it so, Azula has always struck me as a sociopath. I kind of see her as the proof of the fire nations fall from grace, in a way.

Being born without empathy doesn't really say anything bad about you as a person - those are your genes, you don't have a say, and real evil has an element of choice that you lack. But everyone around her KNEW what kind of person she was - tbat she was incapible of caring about others in anything but the most sophistic sense, and yet they were going to and the reigns of empire to her.
 

drakensis

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#91
ryugabriev said:
Here's the link Drakensis: A Matter of Honor

It's a pretty good story all told.
Thanks.

Edit: Now reading chapter six. Seriously, thanks. I'd come across this before and didn't finish the first chapter. Now that I read further I'm rolling on the floor laughing. And there's a sequel!
 

Veld

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#92
Here's another idea. In the Guru, Sokka decides to see Suki before he and Aang leave. Azula, Mai, and Ty Lee are easliy identified for who they are. And that's all I got.
 

grant

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#93
Sounds like it would start a civil war in the city between the pro-Feng and pro-Emperor factions. Normally I'd think that Feng would win easily with Dai Li Earthbenders and the lack of decent tactics in Avatarverse, but you could keep the Avatar nearby to change that.
 

crazyfoxdemon

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#94
grant said:
Sounds like it would start a civil war in the city between the pro-Feng and pro-Emperor factions. Normally I'd think that Feng would win easily with Dai Li Earthbenders and the lack of decent tactics in Avatarverse, but you could keep the Avatar nearby to change that.
I don't think so, they would've been revealed before they would've had a chance to take control of the Dai Li...
 

zeebee1

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#95
And the Dai Li wouldn't have any official connection to the Fire Nation.
 

drakensis

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#96
Suppose that Gyatso was with Aang when he was frozen in ice? He outright said that he had no intention of being seperated from Aang, so if he decided that instead they would both leave so that Aang could begin training as a waterbender, with the Southern Water Tribe, it's plausible that they could have still been caught in the storm.

When Zuko originally met Aang, he was expecting an old man. So if Gyatso told Aang to hide and then surrendered himself to protect the water tribe village, it seems likely that Zuko would match Old Airbender to Avatar and presume that he has his prize. If necessary, Gyatso might use airbending to move water and pretend he was waterbending.

Iroh, however, is less likely to be fooled and would probably blow the whistle rather than see Zuko humiliated, possibly killed, as a result of bringing in the wrong airbender. And since Zuko is unlikely to be persuaded, direct action would be required, probably leading to a loose Gyatsu leading Zuko and Zhao on a merry chase.
 

zeebee1

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#97
How would Aang convince the others that they actually seek trouble?
 

Carandol

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#98
Post-war, the Earth Kingdom is usually depicted as peaceful, but history suggests many ways things could go wrong for them, badly wrong.

The Dai Li and Ba Sing Se's civil service are both compromised. The Dai Li actually supported Azula, and there's no telling how many people in the civil service actively supported Long Feng. Both of them will need to be purged by the Earth King, since he can't trust them, but they did also do a useful job.

Without the Dai Li, suppressing any riots will be much harder, as might be collecting taxes. If Long Feng had any sense, the senior people in the treasury will all have been personally loyal to him. Remove them, and sorting out the city's finances becomes a challenge.

If Kuei is competent, all this can be overcome, but he doesn't give that impression. Assuming he remains weak, there will be a power vacuum at the heart of the Earth Kingdom, which is an opportunity for ambitious generals.It wouldn't be difficult for a few of them to convince themselves that they're the right people to 'advise' Kuei.

Considering that the generals are each likely to have a regiment or two behind them (soldiers with more respect for their leader and paymaster than the nominal king) if the generals start quarrelling amongst themselves, or with the civilian leadership, Ba Sing Se is in trouble.

Beyond the city walls, bigger problems lurk.

What happens to the Earth Kingdom's armies? Disbanding them will leave a lot of unemployed young men, trained to fight, seldom a good thing. The worst case is if they are disbanded in place, with no arrangements made to get them home - their pay stopped with a single stroke of the pen. It's folly, but its the kind of thing a second-rate penny-pinching bureaucrat might well do, and all the first rate bureaucrats in Ba Sing Se were working for Long Feng.

If they did that, they get camps of armed men, stranded 100s of miles from home, with no money. No doubt some of them would cause no trouble, but history suggests that others would become brigands, stealing food and money from the peasants, which they'd justify as no less than they deserve for winning the war.

Worse, some regiments might become mercenaries, or the private armies of the generals. It was a common enough pattern after long wars in medieval times - people who've spent their whole life as soldiers may not want to do anything else.

And then there are the fire nation colonies. The obvious thing is to hand them over, but to who? The traditional local rulers may well be dead without heirs, or collaborators. The most likely alternative is to hand them over to BaSing Se, and let the Earth Kingdom appoint a local governor, but even if the city is not struggling with its own internal problems, that would still give it a severe case of administrative overstretch.

In some cases there will be local resistance leaders, who can gain effective control through popular acclaim, but good resistance leaders are often bad rulers.

There are also likely to be major disruptions in trade. The colonies will loose much of the fire nation markets, but be able to sell more freely to teh rest of teh Earth Kingdom. Overall, thsi may be neutral, but their will be economic turmoil before things settle down, never fun.

Overall, a glance at the history of South America and Africa shows how badly decolonisation can go wrong.

The Earth Kingdom wouldn't necessarily suffer from all these problems simultaneously - one or two would be quite enough. The net effect could range from low level disorder - riots in Ba Sing Se, brigandry in the countryside - to open civil war.

This, of course, is only a setting, not a story. The story is how the gang cope with a struggle where there's no clear enemy. The Earth Kingdom's problems can't be fixed by taking out any one man; they're deeper rooted than that.
 

zeebee1

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#99
One story suggested that the Earth King is the worst kind of harmelss. It said that he knew he spilled the beans to Azula but didn't tell the Avatar when he had the chance. That type of cowardice would make him extremely volnurable.
 

drakensis

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Azula and her companions infiltrate Ba Sing Se, secure the Dai Li as allies and wind up at dinner with the oblivious Earth King. Kuei is charming, suave... and strongly implies that he is fully aware of everything they've been up to. Nothing overt, just casual comments made in the guise of polite conversation.

Verbal fencing commences, with Mai and Ty Lee as witnesses, as Azula tries to determine if Kuei is the buffoon she had believed... or if he's in fact running some kind of convoluted xanatos gambit that exploits her coup for his own benefit. The other girls are increasingly disturbed that the conversation is beginning to sound increasingly like flirting.

The coup goes off like a damp squib: no effect. Azula, Mai and Ty Lee are guests of the Earth King, the Fire Kingdom are still firmly outside Ba Sing Se and Long Feng is missing. The Dai Li are desperately trying to cover everything up. The Avatar has reportedly left the city. Clearly Azula would be wise to break out by force... except that she's still playing diplomacy - and footsie - with Kuei, who is looking increasingly sinister to Mai.

A story of intrigue in the city of secrets.
 
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