Bigest Bullshit in comics
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I remember one human amadeus cho saying this about hulk.
Amadeus Cho: He's a hero. He may hate us puny humans but he saves us anyway. And you have to wonder if there wouldn't be fewer dead folks out there in your little civil war if you'd launched yourselves into space instead of him.
and i agree tony, reed and perhaps xavier should have launched themselves into space.
Its like in hulk ultimate destruction game especially the final part where the US military kept attacking both Hulk and a new, bigger and more powerful abomination cause of extreme anger. They kept getting getting huge casualties cause there weapons were no match but they general ross kept insisting they could beat them he seems to believe in the so called invincibility of the US army with mere tanks and jets. And after many more casualties one of the soldier suggested let the Hulk handle abomination the smart choice but no Ross pride would not have any of that and kept sending more men to there deaths.
Nice work Ross I wonder how you will explain to the families of these men that died that they could have lived if only you just backed off but no.
Amadeus Cho: He's a hero. He may hate us puny humans but he saves us anyway. And you have to wonder if there wouldn't be fewer dead folks out there in your little civil war if you'd launched yourselves into space instead of him.
and i agree tony, reed and perhaps xavier should have launched themselves into space.
Its like in hulk ultimate destruction game especially the final part where the US military kept attacking both Hulk and a new, bigger and more powerful abomination cause of extreme anger. They kept getting getting huge casualties cause there weapons were no match but they general ross kept insisting they could beat them he seems to believe in the so called invincibility of the US army with mere tanks and jets. And after many more casualties one of the soldier suggested let the Hulk handle abomination the smart choice but no Ross pride would not have any of that and kept sending more men to there deaths.
Nice work Ross I wonder how you will explain to the families of these men that died that they could have lived if only you just backed off but no.
I actually liked the original intent by Grant Morrison, where Xorn was Magneto under disguise. I always felt it was a shame that so immediately after that Chris Claremont and Marvel had to retcon it and in such a messy way that I still don't feel like going into it.
Always liked this quote by Morrison:
(Also by rereading your comment I see that you just pretty much hated the entire Morrison run. It's a shame since I felt it was some of the best material that was in the X-Books for well over two decades.)
To address another quote!
Now part of your quote I can agree on. I hated Civil War: Frontline and Sally Floyd's speech to Steve Rogers was pure absolute idiotic bullshit.
<_< But I actually did like Cap's death and I'll say why.
The only way that the death even worked because it was Ed Brubaker behind it. Words cannot describe how not only good he is but also how he's one of the few good writers that Marvel has left. It was an event that should have been... would have been pure shit under a lesser writer. But with Brubaker at the helm, he's made it work. Captain America continues to be one of the best monthly titles published, even without Steve Rogers in it.
I would also like to point out something real fast. Now this could be my 20-something year old memory failing on me but I think Brubaker mentioned that Roger's death was a part of his overall game plan all along. It was an event that would've taken place later on in his run but it was something he was working towards. All Civil War did was inspire him to move his plans forward.
OH YEAH:
Two things I wanted to edit in here fast. First, an answer for DeathGod666. It's actually "198." A good explanation as to who's left would best be found here.
Last thing. A new entry into 'Biggest Bullshit In Comics': The possible leaked ending of Spider-Man: One More Day. Or as I would like to call it, Superboy-Prime Punches Were A Shitload Better Than This Shit.
Look for the possible spoilers here since I don't know if anyone wants to be flat-out spoiled.
Always liked this quote by Morrison:
(Also by rereading your comment I see that you just pretty much hated the entire Morrison run. It's a shame since I felt it was some of the best material that was in the X-Books for well over two decades.)
To address another quote!
Now part of your quote I can agree on. I hated Civil War: Frontline and Sally Floyd's speech to Steve Rogers was pure absolute idiotic bullshit.
<_< But I actually did like Cap's death and I'll say why.
The only way that the death even worked because it was Ed Brubaker behind it. Words cannot describe how not only good he is but also how he's one of the few good writers that Marvel has left. It was an event that should have been... would have been pure shit under a lesser writer. But with Brubaker at the helm, he's made it work. Captain America continues to be one of the best monthly titles published, even without Steve Rogers in it.
I would also like to point out something real fast. Now this could be my 20-something year old memory failing on me but I think Brubaker mentioned that Roger's death was a part of his overall game plan all along. It was an event that would've taken place later on in his run but it was something he was working towards. All Civil War did was inspire him to move his plans forward.
OH YEAH:
Two things I wanted to edit in here fast. First, an answer for DeathGod666. It's actually "198." A good explanation as to who's left would best be found here.
Last thing. A new entry into 'Biggest Bullshit In Comics': The possible leaked ending of Spider-Man: One More Day. Or as I would like to call it, Superboy-Prime Punches Were A Shitload Better Than This Shit.
Look for the possible spoilers here since I don't know if anyone wants to be flat-out spoiled.
Yes and no.
My first issue was that the art style really turned me off. Not a good start in a comic format, eh?
Secondly, the Big Reveal of all of Xavier's School was a huge shock. I sat there unable to believe it had actually happened. A move that gutsy took real bravery on the part of the doods in charge, and I was impressed and horrified at the same time.
Thirdly, the introduction of a whole new cast of characters for the School's intake. I didn't like it, both because I bought X-Men comics to read about...y'know...the X-Men. Not the Emma Frost clone quartet, or the Human Fly girl with the 'tude. But also because new characters tend to die off both horribly and quickly in X titles. They were just cannon fodder, and we all knew it.
As for this:
Dude, I realize it's a matter of personal opinion and all, but... Fatal Attraction, Age of Apocalypse and Onslaught are pretty strong evidence against it, to my mind. That's some of Marvel's best stuff in the last two decades.
The Emo schoolkid brigade and their Kick storyline? Onegai Teacher Xorn? Beast finding that an anthro-housecat is fine too?
Not so much.
Not even in the same league.
And certainly not something I'd pay for, when a hundred thousand fanfic authors are doing the same damn thing every time I turn around and look at FF.net.
My first issue was that the art style really turned me off. Not a good start in a comic format, eh?
Secondly, the Big Reveal of all of Xavier's School was a huge shock. I sat there unable to believe it had actually happened. A move that gutsy took real bravery on the part of the doods in charge, and I was impressed and horrified at the same time.
Thirdly, the introduction of a whole new cast of characters for the School's intake. I didn't like it, both because I bought X-Men comics to read about...y'know...the X-Men. Not the Emma Frost clone quartet, or the Human Fly girl with the 'tude. But also because new characters tend to die off both horribly and quickly in X titles. They were just cannon fodder, and we all knew it.
As for this:
Dude, I realize it's a matter of personal opinion and all, but... Fatal Attraction, Age of Apocalypse and Onslaught are pretty strong evidence against it, to my mind. That's some of Marvel's best stuff in the last two decades.
The Emo schoolkid brigade and their Kick storyline? Onegai Teacher Xorn? Beast finding that an anthro-housecat is fine too?
Not so much.
Not even in the same league.
And certainly not something I'd pay for, when a hundred thousand fanfic authors are doing the same damn thing every time I turn around and look at FF.net.
A long delayed reply but hey, that's just how I roll!
And for the future I'll try to avoid using that phrase ever again.
Which particular artist didn't you care for? I wouldn't be surprised if it was Frank Quitely. As much as I like him now, I admit that even I took a while to warm up to him when I first encountered his art during the Millar run on THE AUTHORITY. As I said somewhere once before, he draws beautiful ugly people. It's not your typical idealization of beauty that you would encounter in comics or in other places.
When I first read the 'outing' of Xavier and his school, I didn't have much of an reaction at all. But now thinking about it, to me it was a natural evolution.
Eh, I liked them! As much as I first came to the book many years ago for the X-Men, the whole premise of it being a 'school' was dead in the ground (GENERATION-X doesn't count. It was 90's NEW MUTANTS redux) until Morrison came around and gave it a shot in the arm. If your default setting is at a school, it's to be expected to have some school kids as a secondary cast.
As you said, it's a matter of personal opinion and as such I respect your view on it. But IMHO, I can't stand those stories. Especially Age of Apocalypse and Onslaught.
Age of Apocalypse was just over hyped. I spent four months without my regular X-Titles for this?! No thanks, Marvel. Please don't try again. Not now. Not ever.
Wait. Goddammit. Too late. House of M is already over.
Onslaught was the X-Titles' equivalent of the Clone Saga. That pretty much sums up my opinion on it. And because of that pile of crap, I had to go without Captain America for over a year. No way in hell was I going to read the Heroes Reborn piece of shit event that came from Rob Liefield and Jim Lee. Don't even get me started on those two.
(Which to say I don't have much against Jim Lee. He's a decent artist. But the man can't write worth a shit.)
I will say one good thing came from Onslaught and Heroes Reborn. I got to read Kurt Busiek's take on the relaunched AVENGERS. Wait, two good things. They also got Mark Waid back on CAPTAIN AMERICA.
That's it.
As for Fatal Attraction... I actually liked it when it came out. I did. I thought it was a nice story. Of course that was when I was younger. I haven't taken an opportunity to reread it and see if it holds up.
And for the future I'll try to avoid using that phrase ever again.
trevelyan1983 said:
My first issue was that the art style really turned me off.? Not a good start in a comic format, eh??
When I first read the 'outing' of Xavier and his school, I didn't have much of an reaction at all. But now thinking about it, to me it was a natural evolution.
Eh, I liked them! As much as I first came to the book many years ago for the X-Men, the whole premise of it being a 'school' was dead in the ground (GENERATION-X doesn't count. It was 90's NEW MUTANTS redux) until Morrison came around and gave it a shot in the arm. If your default setting is at a school, it's to be expected to have some school kids as a secondary cast.
As you said, it's a matter of personal opinion and as such I respect your view on it. But IMHO, I can't stand those stories. Especially Age of Apocalypse and Onslaught.
Age of Apocalypse was just over hyped. I spent four months without my regular X-Titles for this?! No thanks, Marvel. Please don't try again. Not now. Not ever.
Wait. Goddammit. Too late. House of M is already over.
Onslaught was the X-Titles' equivalent of the Clone Saga. That pretty much sums up my opinion on it. And because of that pile of crap, I had to go without Captain America for over a year. No way in hell was I going to read the Heroes Reborn piece of shit event that came from Rob Liefield and Jim Lee. Don't even get me started on those two.
(Which to say I don't have much against Jim Lee. He's a decent artist. But the man can't write worth a shit.)
I will say one good thing came from Onslaught and Heroes Reborn. I got to read Kurt Busiek's take on the relaunched AVENGERS. Wait, two good things. They also got Mark Waid back on CAPTAIN AMERICA.
That's it.
As for Fatal Attraction... I actually liked it when it came out. I did. I thought it was a nice story. Of course that was when I was younger. I haven't taken an opportunity to reread it and see if it holds up.
The Joker. Now, no longer even trying
Latest BS from ASBAR. Frank Miller, you have managed to completely eliminate anything remotely like Batman from this series. It is Batman in name only, and even that is stretching things.
The True Clown Prince of Crime would have a lot of fun with this over-muscled poser. Yes, yes, leave him with a real smile...
Latest BS from ASBAR. Frank Miller, you have managed to completely eliminate anything remotely like Batman from this series. It is Batman in name only, and even that is stretching things.
The True Clown Prince of Crime would have a lot of fun with this over-muscled poser. Yes, yes, leave him with a real smile...
Ah, Frank Miller. Can't go without mentioning the word 'whore' at least once in everything he does these days. Whore whore whore whore whore whore whore whore whore whore whore.
You know, I've once somewhere else said that All-Star Batman is almost a bit tolerable if you view it as a satire. One big-ass joke. Almost.
Well... at least Batman and Detective Comics is currently kicking major ass!
(If you really feel the need to read a All-Star book, get All-Star Superman. It's Neo Silver Age delicious.)
You know, I've once somewhere else said that All-Star Batman is almost a bit tolerable if you view it as a satire. One big-ass joke. Almost.
Well... at least Batman and Detective Comics is currently kicking major ass!
(If you really feel the need to read a All-Star book, get All-Star Superman. It's Neo Silver Age delicious.)
The problem with Rob Liefeld is that he can't draw OR write. At lest Jim Lee can draw decent characters, even if is stories are shit. Liefeld? His women are all WHERE ARE MY SPINE AND INTERNAL ORGANS and the men are all FUKKEN HUEG WITH BIG CROTCHES.
Not to mention he just HAS to draw everyone like they are taking a huge shit.
Ugh.
And I'll overlook his lack of basic anatomy knowledge. Just read some of his shit... if you dare. You'll see what I mean.
And he actually gets PAID for that shit. There is no God.
Not to mention he just HAS to draw everyone like they are taking a huge shit.
Ugh.
And I'll overlook his lack of basic anatomy knowledge. Just read some of his shit... if you dare. You'll see what I mean.
And he actually gets PAID for that shit. There is no God.
For Marvel, the 'Civil War' storyline wins the ubersuck prize.
For DC, War Drums and War Games. Way to make Batman look like an idiot, DiDio. (Seriously, Steph is no hacker, so the only way she could have gotten access to those plans is if Bats gave her access, in which case it makes no sense for him not to have told her how to tell the difference between an 'In Case of Emergency' plan, and something on his To-Do list.)
For DC, War Drums and War Games. Way to make Batman look like an idiot, DiDio. (Seriously, Steph is no hacker, so the only way she could have gotten access to those plans is if Bats gave her access, in which case it makes no sense for him not to have told her how to tell the difference between an 'In Case of Emergency' plan, and something on his To-Do list.)
Civil War was crap. So much self-righteousness emanating from Ironman, Mr. Fantastic and the pro-registration forces. And the response of the anti-registration side is typically "in the box" so to say. You would think given the fact that they are superpowered would mean they would pack and leave. No, instead, they stand around and wait to be confronted by Stark and his SHIELD lackeys and work out some secret American fantasy to "stand up to the man" and "rebel".
pyu said:
Civil War was crap. So much self-righteousness emanating from Ironman, Mr. Fantastic and the pro-registration forces. And the response of the anti-registration side is typically "in the box" so to say. You would think given the fact that they are superpowered would mean they would pack and leave. No, instead, they stand around and wait to be confronted by Stark and his SHIELD lackeys and work out some secret American fantasy to "stand up to the man" and "rebel".
Biggest Bullshit in comics...
I love Ultimate spiderman, and I DO think Bendis is a writing genius, but the crossover with Ultimate Xmen where they go to the island of Mutant killers with Deadpool, first off they fucked up Deadpool for the Ultimateverse, and I love Deadpoool.
Secondly Kitty's line
"The Professor was right, we never should have come here!" As the their enemies were barreling down on them. If you're do a good deed to help someone you shouldn't give a shit about the odds or the dangers involved. Least that's my opinion. But I could be wrong about the whole thing.
Sounds like a good defense FOR Bendis in my case. But then again I think all characters should be abused to some extent, and Wolverine saying that after all he's been through makes sense to me.
I love Ultimate spiderman, and I DO think Bendis is a writing genius, but the crossover with Ultimate Xmen where they go to the island of Mutant killers with Deadpool, first off they fucked up Deadpool for the Ultimateverse, and I love Deadpoool.
Secondly Kitty's line
"The Professor was right, we never should have come here!" As the their enemies were barreling down on them. If you're do a good deed to help someone you shouldn't give a shit about the odds or the dangers involved. Least that's my opinion. But I could be wrong about the whole thing.
Sounds like a good defense FOR Bendis in my case. But then again I think all characters should be abused to some extent, and Wolverine saying that after all he's been through makes sense to me.
I'm not entirely getting what you're meaning here. If you're referring to abuse as in putting the characters through the wringer, then yes I feel every character should experience that once in a good while. But that's not the sort of abuse I was discussing with that example.
I've read Wolverine for a long time. I can see Wolverine being angry and pissed about what happened that lead up to that. I could see him even going into a berserker rage. But screaming "Stop raping me!!" like that?
No. Just no.
That's the abuse of the other sort. That was writing Wolverine out-of-character. As much as I used to like Bendis, he's developed a habit of writing established characters out-of-character.
I'm thankful that he's bring back into the spotlight some interesting C-listers but that doesn't get him off the hook in my eyes.
I think some context should be given to these events. First off, he's speaking of the events that have taken place in the recently-completed "Messiah Complex" crossover.
Why was Bishop trying to kill a baby? Because from the future he originated from, that baby grew up and became the Mutant Anti-Christ and caused a boatload of death and destruction, leading to mutant concentration camps. Bishop witnessed and experienced a lot of horrors during his childhood and if he could anything to prevent that future, he would. It's the age-old question: If you could time travel back to kill Adolf Hitler as a baby, would you? For Bishop the answer is yes.
Of course, the future is never set. The baby could also become the Mutant Savior.
But Bishop decided that he'd do whatever it takes to kill the baby. Which lead us to the 'shooting Forge' thing and the majority of the stuff above. Cable had the child in his possession and Bishop knew he'd go to Forge to get help. He shot Forge to get him out of the way and prepared a trap. He also did the Sentinel stuff.
Then a bunch of other stuff happened which lead to the Marauders getting a hold of the child and then a bunch of other crap happened that lead to this creature-monster that's breed to hunt down mutants chewing down Bishop's arm.
As for the whole 'shooting Xavier thing,' He was trying to nail Cable and the baby. Cable 'bodyslided' while he was shooting and Xavier got hit instead.
But don't worry about Charlie, he's still alive. He's just in a coma, as has been recently revealed. Read X-MEN: LEGACY (the retitled X-MEN ongoing) for more when it comes out.
One last thing...
If you didn't like "One More Day," I'd recommend hitting Newsarama and searching for an old article that came out a few weeks back concerning JMS' side of the story.
You'd get a delicious quote/paraphrase of Joe Quesada's from the mouth of JMS like "It's magic. We don't need to explain it."
If you want to understand more, just look for the article.
I've read Wolverine for a long time. I can see Wolverine being angry and pissed about what happened that lead up to that. I could see him even going into a berserker rage. But screaming "Stop raping me!!" like that?
No. Just no.
That's the abuse of the other sort. That was writing Wolverine out-of-character. As much as I used to like Bendis, he's developed a habit of writing established characters out-of-character.
I'm thankful that he's bring back into the spotlight some interesting C-listers but that doesn't get him off the hook in my eyes.
I think some context should be given to these events. First off, he's speaking of the events that have taken place in the recently-completed "Messiah Complex" crossover.
Why was Bishop trying to kill a baby? Because from the future he originated from, that baby grew up and became the Mutant Anti-Christ and caused a boatload of death and destruction, leading to mutant concentration camps. Bishop witnessed and experienced a lot of horrors during his childhood and if he could anything to prevent that future, he would. It's the age-old question: If you could time travel back to kill Adolf Hitler as a baby, would you? For Bishop the answer is yes.
Of course, the future is never set. The baby could also become the Mutant Savior.
But Bishop decided that he'd do whatever it takes to kill the baby. Which lead us to the 'shooting Forge' thing and the majority of the stuff above. Cable had the child in his possession and Bishop knew he'd go to Forge to get help. He shot Forge to get him out of the way and prepared a trap. He also did the Sentinel stuff.
Then a bunch of other stuff happened which lead to the Marauders getting a hold of the child and then a bunch of other crap happened that lead to this creature-monster that's breed to hunt down mutants chewing down Bishop's arm.
As for the whole 'shooting Xavier thing,' He was trying to nail Cable and the baby. Cable 'bodyslided' while he was shooting and Xavier got hit instead.
But don't worry about Charlie, he's still alive. He's just in a coma, as has been recently revealed. Read X-MEN: LEGACY (the retitled X-MEN ongoing) for more when it comes out.
One last thing...
If you didn't like "One More Day," I'd recommend hitting Newsarama and searching for an old article that came out a few weeks back concerning JMS' side of the story.
You'd get a delicious quote/paraphrase of Joe Quesada's from the mouth of JMS like "It's magic. We don't need to explain it."
If you want to understand more, just look for the article.