Bishoujo Maou Tsukino Usagi!

[Comartemis]

Less a direct crossover and more a thematic one.

You know all those stories where Queen Serenity is a tyrant, the Moon Kingdom was a fascist state, and Beryl was either a rebel or just less evil than Serenity was? Well, this is kinda like that. You see, 10,000 years ago Beryl and Serenity pulled off a double-KO and sealed each other away into separate dimensions, now the seals have come undone and they both want a piece of Earth for themselves.

On the one hand, you have Queen Serenity. A just and fair ruler of what's left of the Moon Kingdom and the surviving Sailor Senshi. While she's not evil by any stretch of the term, she's decidedly Lawful Neutral and has this bizarre notion that if Earth were unified under her (benevolent) dictatorship all our problems would go away and we'd get a planet-wide utopia within a few years. So she and the Senshi decide to invade Earth "for the greater good", regardless of what we have to say in the matter.

On the other hand, there's Queen Beryl, a completely batshit insane demon overlord who doesn't rule her kingdom with an iron fist so much as she pokes it every now and then. Beryl is prone to selfishness and arrogance, much like pre-character development Laharl, but she's also very hands-off in her leadership; if she invaded Earth, she'd probably bring down the governments and then let chaos do the ruling for her, leaving her subjects to live more or less as they please. Beryl invades Earth partially because Metallia needs to be revived, partially because she wants something to do, and partially just to keep Serenity from sinking her claws into it.

Neither of these two sides really have Earth's best interests in mind (though Serenity thinks she does), but neither of them are really evil either. However they've both made the mistake of starting their invasion over a leyline convergence in Tokyo's Azabu-Juuban district, where a small group of girls who happen to be a mix of reincarnated demon lords and Senshi just happen to be living...

 

[Inaba]

I dunno, if I had to pick between semi-benevolent dictatorship and what amounts to anarchy with a different label, I'd take the dictatorship any day, any time. And that's without taking into consideration the weirdos out there in the not-so-pleasant universe who's out to OM-NOM-NOM on my soul and assorted tender bits. Or for that matter, the demon armies who happen to feed on humans and also happen to be aligned with what amounts to an insane cultist worshiping a Great Old One.

Digression aside, how does the allocation of characters go? I'm assuming that your scenario indicates that Queen Serenity and some of the Senshi survived the Fall, which leaves the reminder to constitute the Earthbound group. Who survived, who arranged for the reincarnations, and how are the Earthbound activated?

Did Endymion bite it? Did the Four Heavenly Kings? If so, does Beryl pull them in again as she does in canon?

 

[grant]

Could just write it as a cross with SMT.

 

[Comartemis]

I dunno, if I had to pick between semi-benevolent dictatorship and what amounts to anarchy with a different label, I'd take the dictatorship any day, any time. And that's without taking into consideration the weirdos out there in the not-so-pleasant universe who's out to OM-NOM-NOM on my soul and assorted tender bits. Or for that matter, the demon armies who happen to feed on humans and also happen to be aligned with what amounts to an insane cultist worshiping a Great Old One.

I imagine most of us would choose order over anarchy, but it works alright for the Disgaea demons and I imagine it would work alright for humans once we adapted to it. Then again we'd also have to adapt to being One World Under Serenity if the Moon Kingdom took over, which would probably be pretty jarring in its own way. The point is that neither side is really in the right or in the wrong, and the humans who are already living here want to be able to choose for themselves rather than have such a change imposed on them. Though personally I'd be leaning more in the direction of chaos, as the canon series was already ruled by destiny and I'd like to explore what happens when there is no "fated love" binding Serenity and Endymion together or when the main characters are resisting the idea of Crystal Tokyo.

On the subject of Beryl being aligned with the youma and Metallia, the demons in this setting are a lot more benign than they were in the main series. Youma with human forms are capable of living among humans with nobody being the wiser; they mostly live in urban areas with lots of people around, and instead of attacking a few people and draining their energy to dangerously low levels, they set up passive draining fields and "skim some off the top" from very large groups as they go about their business. An area with Juuban's population can support a few thousand demons with overlapping fields before their victims will even start to feel drowsy. The sort of targeted draining that the youma do in the main series is intended more for harvesting large quantities of energy beyond what any youma needs to live; this is used by the Dark Kingdom to try to resurrect Metallia. Metallia herself is Chaos-spawn, but Chaos in this setting is no more inherently evil than Cosmos is inherently good. If Metallia ever wakes up, she'll probably be less Great Old One and more Sheogorath-style Crazy Awesome.

On the other tentacle, the youma aren't the only ones attacking people. The Senshi are also out there softening things up for the invasion by erasing peoples' ability to feel negative emotions. Instead of setting up energy-gathering operations, the Senshi target places where negative emotions build up in lots of people, like prisons or traffic jams for instance. They then use their own magic to rip those emotions out of peoples' heads and turn them into monsters that bear some resemblance to the source of the negative emotions. If these monsters are purified by Senshi magic, the people thus drained lose the ability to feel that negative emotion. If it's killed some other way, the monster goes away and the gathered emotions disperse, leaving the people affected feeling mellow in the short-term but unaffected in the long-term. This is a weaker variation on the so-called "Crystal Brainwashing" which fanon says NQS used to help make Crystal Tokyo. Again, we have the Senshi thinking they're doing us a favor but they're changing us without our consent so they're as much our enemies as the Dark Kingdom is.

Digression aside, how does the allocation of characters go? I'm assuming that your scenario indicates that Queen Serenity and some of the Senshi survived the Fall, which leaves the reminder to constitute the Earthbound group. Who survived, who arranged for the reincarnations, and how are the Earthbound activated?

Did Endymion bite it? Did the Four Heavenly Kings? If so, does Beryl pull them in again as she does in canon?

Alright, one at a time:

First off, Princess Serenity was half-demon (we never did find out who her father was...) by way of a fling the Queen was seduced into by an incubus. Getting burned in the aftermath is part of the reason she is distrustful of demons, and she kept the Princess's heritage a secret from everyone, even Luna. Serenity was killed during the final confrontation, which set off the Queen's attempt to use the crystal to seal away the Dark Kingdom. She reincarnates as Usagi, as per usual, but when awakened she takes on the form of a succubus (of the Morrigan Aensland variety, not the traditional dream-walkers). Her Serenity form looks a lot like Rozalin from Disgaea 2; her standard transformation... well, it was inspired by <a href='http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=794041' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>(NSFW!) this (NSFW!)</a>, but it probably won't be quite so revealing. On the other hand, you never know... I've always thought that if Usagi weren't tied down to Mamoru, the Senshi in general would probably be her lesbian harem; depending on how the story goes, that may or may not wind up getting explored...

The other Senshi are a mixed bag. The survivors consist of Uranus, Neptune, Mars and Venus (Pluto's there too, but she's stuck at the Gates and won't be contributing to the war effort), while Mercury Jupiter and Saturn reincarnated to the present day. When Serenity and Beryl nuked each other into the next dimensions the survivors on both sides went with them; Saturn woke up and kick-started the reincarnation process for those who'd fallen on both sides (I'm pretty sure she did this for herself and the Outers in either the anime or the manga).

Endymion and the Generals are with their respective sides. The Generals were turned by Beryl when she offered them damning evidence of Serenity's intentions to invade Earth and impose her brand of order on it, but Endymion betrayed Earth and sided with Queen Serenity out of love for the Princess. Problem there is, Serenity's incubus heritage helped make her even more open-minded about matters of love than she was in canon, and the Princess had a thing for Mars while Endymion was trying to romance her; Endymion's undying love is entirely one-sided, which is going to make things very interesting when he and Usagi eventually reunite.

The "modern" Senshi are a mix of the reincarnated Senshi, reincarnated demon warriors, and one demon hunter. Their heritages are awakened by contact with a Moon Cat, either Artemis (who doesn't have the same connection to old Venus as he does with present Minako, and deserted the Moon Kingdom because he no longer believed in their goals), or an OC Moon Cat. If the second option gets taken, said OC will be Hades, Saturn's old bodyguard. The roster for the modern Senshi looks like this:

Usagi: "Sailor Succubus"

Ami: Sailor Mercury

Rei: Demon Hunter. Rei isn't reincarnated from anything special, she just has spiritual power, enough to match a Senshi's magic or a demon's natural abilities. Contact with Artemis or Hades will unlock her full potential, giving her a Demon Hunter transformation like something out of Devil Hunter Yohko. In this form she resembles <a href='http://img4.gelbooru.com//images/65/a13a0a3d1f2b130db7d168de4516c672079d407b.jpg?64264' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'> Kyoudou Senna</a>, the Samurai/Miko/Schoolgirl from Daibanchou.

Makoto: Sailor Jupiter

Minako: Shapeshifter.

Hotaru: Sailor Saturn. But as usual, she's under Mistress Nine's power and won't be present for most of the fic. I plan on having the Death Busters have a role late in the plot, however, so she will be appearing at some point.

I'm debating on whether or not to get Haruka Michiru and Setsuna involved since I'm... somewhat less than fond of them.

...phew! Long response is looooooong.

 

[Inaba]

Nature abhors a vacuum - someone or rather a lot of someones are going to start up warlord statelets. As for humans adjusting to that state . . . eh, it's possible, but it's unpleasant, very, very unpleasant. See Thirty Years' War except worse.

As for the rest, your changes does render the situation quite a bit more ambivalent than anything remotely resembling canon and makes the idea workable. I'm curious as to what emotions are considered negative and/or how they're deemed negative.

For example, some random pedestrian is stuck waiting in a line and becomes irritated - at what degree of irritation would this qualify for the purging and what sort of emotions are eligible for purging? Would someone in a state of manic excitement qualify? Would someone with depression?

Also, have you thought about the metaphysics of the setting? How do these demons exist and what is the nature of their interaction with humans and the universe that we perceive? What is their relationship to Cosmos, to Chaos? For that matter, where does this take place? In the Netherworld? On Earth? Both?

This could be fun.

 

[Shaderic]

Huh. I agree that SMT could work this setting really well.

But you know what you're missing, to give it that last little bit of SMT flavor?

Humanity kicking everyone in the face afterward.

Because, like it or not, this is our planet. And we're not just going to give it up without a fight. A 'secret' war? Not after a week it won't be. And then, <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhcaJfaPgjc&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>a Hero steps forward.</a>

For this world is the home of humanity. Not demons. Not some lady from the moon. Man.

Also, we're really good at killing shit, and inventing shit.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

>Anarchy wouldn't be all that bad!

Fist of the North Star.

Minus Kenshiro.

Enjoy your enslavement.

 

[Comartemis]

As for the rest, your changes does render the situation quite a bit more ambivalent than anything remotely resembling canon and makes the idea workable. I'm curious as to what emotions are considered negative and/or how they're deemed negative.

For example, some random pedestrian is stuck waiting in a line and becomes irritated - at what degree of irritation would this qualify for the purging and what sort of emotions are eligible for purging? Would someone in a state of manic excitement qualify? Would someone with depression?

Generally, negative emotions are the seven deadly sins and similar emotions, so stuff like lust, hatred, etc. Beyond that, the Senshi are given free reign to call it like they see it; at some point, someone will make a mistake and erase something essential, then wind up cooperating with Usagi and the rest to put it down without killing the associated emotion.

Also, have you thought about the metaphysics of the setting? How do these demons exist and what is the nature of their interaction with humans and the universe that we perceive? What is their relationship to Cosmos, to Chaos? For that matter, where does this take place? In the Netherworld? On Earth? Both?

Somewhat, but it still needs a lot of work before it can be more than an incoherent mess. Like universal energy gradients, netherworlds and celestia are rich in mana so youma can survive there without draining anything, send them someplace like Earth, which has a higher energy gradient, and they start needing to refuel. Send them to a null zone and they just go poof. Reason being, the matter that youma are composed of is mana compressed into matter via E=MC2. Stuff like that, it's giving me a headache trying to explain it in a relatively coherent manner.

Huh. I agree that SMT could work this setting really well.

But you know what you're missing, to give it that last little bit of SMT flavor?

Humanity kicking everyone in the face afterward.

Because, like it or not, this is our planet. And we're not just going to give it up without a fight. A 'secret' war? Not after a week it won't be. And then, <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhcaJfaPgjc&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>a Hero steps forward.</a>

For this world is the home of humanity. Not demons. Not some lady from the moon. Man.

Also, we're really good at killing shit, and inventing shit.

If I wanted to do mankind wanking, I'd write a Gurren Lagann fic. In case you haven't noticed, the good guys are a "multinational" team with players descended from (and using powersets associated with) Earth, the moon, and the Dark Kingdom. And the secret war is staying secret. No way in hell am I bringing the military into this mess except maybe to show that mundane weapons are as useless as ever against the villains of a magical girl series.

Also, the only experience I have with Shin Megami Tensei is the two hours I spent playing and not liking Digital Devil Saga.

 

[Shaderic]

Yeah, the good guys 'multinational'.

But we have no idea what their goals are, besides stopping monster rampages.

Also, if your only experience is with DDS... Well, I've never even touched that one. Survivor, Strange Journey, both Summoners, P3P4... Well, those are what I've played.

Mean time, about the humanity wanking... I like rooting for my team. Can't blame me for that. Also? Don't doubt the power of a dedicated military. I mean, against magical girl type enemies? They may be a little useless, but that's due to a lack of intel, and the difficulty of rapid mobilization. Also, if you think they're NOT gonna notice? Especially in an amalgam setting like this? You've got another thing comi-

Wait. You're putting this in the nineties, aren't you?

 

[Comartemis]

Maybe. It'd be easy to screw up and have someone whip out a cellphone that isn't the size of a brick or something like that, so I might make it present-day. Why?

 

[Prince Charon]

Interesting.

 

[Reimu]

double post

 

[Reimu]

I really wish this was a Shin Megami Tenshi crossover too. It seems perfect for that.
Too bad you didn't play the games.

Just played Strange Journey, and humankind survives against angels and devils both trying to manipulate humans fate.

EDIT: Can a mod delete my first post?

 

[marthf1]

There's one mod & he isn't here anymore. Just edit it into a blank post or something.

 

[grant]

Huh. I agree that SMT could work this setting really well.

But you know what you're missing, to give it that last little bit of SMT flavor?

Humanity kicking everyone in the face afterward.

Because, like it or not, this is our planet. And we're not just going to give it up without a fight. A 'secret' war? Not after a week it won't be. And then, <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhcaJfaPgjc&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>a Hero steps forward.</a>

For this world is the home of humanity. Not demons. Not some lady from the moon. Man.

Also, we're really good at killing shit, and inventing shit.

That's not really the SMT flavor as much as the neutral ending. In SMT Chaos, Law and Neutral are all valid endings.

 

[Inaba]

In regards to using a dedicated military against what I understand to be the main factions, I think that's unworkable. Given that the non-humans can blend in with the human population, the government would probably need to declare martial law before it can even attempt to bring military resources to bear against them. And even then, it's a losing situation because there's no way that they can bring anything truly devastating in a populated area without doing the equivalent of somebody shooting himself in the foot with a shotgun.

As for the answers to my questions, thanks and here's some more.

Why does Usagi and the rest of Team Usagi go against her mother? Was this something that was present even during the Silver Millennium or something resulting from an imperfect reincarnation? Why do each of the Senshi side with whomever they side with?

 

[Reimu]

Huh. I agree that SMT could work this setting really well.

But you know what you're missing, to give it that last little bit of SMT flavor?

Humanity kicking everyone in the face afterward.

Because, like it or not, this is our planet. And we're not just going to give it up without a fight. A 'secret' war? Not after a week it won't be. And then, <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhcaJfaPgjc&feature=related' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>a Hero steps forward.</a>

For this world is the home of humanity. Not demons. Not some lady from the moon. Man.

Also, we're really good at killing shit, and inventing shit.

That's not really the SMT flavor as much as the neutral ending. In SMT Chaos, Law and Neutral are all valid endings.

Yes, they are all valid endings. Problem is that the chaos and law paths tend to be very bad for humanity in general.

 

[Inaba]

Depends on interpretation of what happens and which game, but while Chaos is shit all around except for perhaps a small handful of people, Law might actually be a small step up overall.

Sure, it's quite a bit shittier than what we've got in the first world, but I speculate that it'll be a big step up for the 3rd and possibly a good chunk of the 2nd.

 

[grant]

In regards to using a dedicated military against what I understand to be the main factions, I think that's unworkable. Given that the non-humans can blend in with the human population, the government would probably need to declare martial law before it can even attempt to bring military resources to bear against them. And even then, it's a losing situation because there's no way that they can bring anything truly devastating in a populated area without doing the equivalent of somebody shooting himself in the foot with a shotgun.

As for the answers to my questions, thanks and here's some more.

Why does Usagi and the rest of Team Usagi go against her mother? Was this something that was present even during the Silver Millennium or something resulting from an imperfect reincarnation? Why do each of the Senshi side with whomever they side with?

There exist certain small groups with names like GSG-9 or SWAT. You could just use the common element in SMT games that conventional weapons are of limited use against Youma and whatever creatures Serenity uses*.


* You could use the Biblical depictions of angels from the Bible (see Ezekial and how they're shown in SMT Nocturne for details. Alternatively they could all be uniform soldiers with the same features, weapons and armor.

 

[Shaderic]

Maybe. It'd be easy to screw up and have someone whip out a cellphone that isn't the size of a brick or something like that, so I might make it present-day. Why?

With the political and technological levels of the nineties, military not getting in this would make sense.

If you're going modern day, somebody is going to be all over this shit. Between globalisation, advances in surveilance and communications, and the political atmosphere, some body is gonna find out. These are basically terrorist attacks, to an un-informed outsider. Sure no-body got hurt. This time. But what about next time? And what were the monsters trying to do anyway?

And, if you're planning on putting this in japan, and not spreading out, the higher concentration of events is going to draw more concentrated attention.

Even if the military isn't actively involved, some body is going to notice and start investigating what the hell's going on. In fact, I'd recomend creating a psuedo-government agency to do so. Task them with cover up, and then that covers your ass. But without that specialized cover up, SOMEBODY is gonna notice.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Anime and mangaverse Youma tended to have the sense to disguise themselves as humans and establish popular businesses/events (Jadeite's talent show, amusement park etc) or disguise themselves as urban myths (Ghost Brides). They got people to come to them and they controlled everything which could explain why their was no surveillance of things like that in the area. The Youma would have enough sense to disable them and other forms of communication in the modern age.

They would also tend to have an item to trigger energy loss that can be activated from a distance so it wouldn't be auto traced to them or just knock out everyone in the area if it was a mass attack with just a flick of their hands. So it would just look like a bunch of people passed out all at once with no reasonable explanation.

Jadeite was the only of the four who regularly did big attacks like that for the sake of energy. Kunzite focused more on getting Sailor Moon/Ginzuishou and just used events to lure her to him.

The rest focused more one on one.

They never just randomly attacked people in public streets though. They would wait until the person was alone with no one around to see them. So if anyone saw them afterward it would look like they just passed out or just dropped dead if the youma got enough energy.

They never did anything that would scream, "AAH MONSTER ATTACK!"

Mean time, about the humanity wanking... I like rooting for my team. Can't blame me for that. Also? Don't doubt the power of a dedicated military. I mean, against magical girl type enemies? They may be a little useless, but that's due to a lack of intel, and the difficulty of rapid mobilization. Also, if you think they're NOT gonna notice? Especially in an amalgam setting like this? You've got another thing comi-

The problem with introducing a military into a verse with SM enemies is that they can easily turn said military into monsters to serve them, mass brainwash them and shape shift and infiltrate it quite easily.

 

[marthf1]

Wouldn't it still be an epidemic of people passing out? I mean, it is usually a sizable group in some random spot. Repeatedly. Within weeks of another.

Or was it usually just draining to the point of exhaustion, if anything?

 

[Deleted member 5249]

True. But people wouldn't assume it was monsters attacking them. They'd just assume it was a sickness or a terrorist attack and missing persons. Nothing that would scream out that this was being done by Monsters.

EDIT: IF the senshi didn't appear when they did when a monster drained energy The people would have died from energy loss.

The long distance items usually drained to the point of exhaustion though.

 

[marthf1]

Hmm, I was just trying to find a decent reason for bringing in the government/military as per a prior comment. A sickness, terrorist attack, or missing persons, would work, I think. As you point out, it might just make things worse (especially if they can infiltrate the communications & information networks), but it could happen. Then again, isn't that what special forces & other small, more independent groups are for? Eh. I'm confusing myself.

 

[GenocideHeart]

I dunno, if I had to pick between semi-benevolent dictatorship and what amounts to anarchy with a different label, I'd take the dictatorship any day, any time.

Enjoy your Kingdom of Heaven in SMT, where you have no say in any matter because God decides for you. And it's very benevolent - he even does all the THINKING for you. For your own good, after all.

SMT is a textbook case of how the road to disaster is paved with good intentions. I'd say Hell, but even Hell thinks God has jumped right off the moral event horizon.