Calling all authors!

SotF

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There really needs to be a way to differentiate between editing the story and uploading it. If I want to mess with the list of fandoms in it I don't know how to just do that.
 

BlackSun

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Ok. I'll get to it in a bit.
Is a button saying "Upload chapter" and another "Update categories" ok?
 

SotF

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BlackSun said:
Ok. I'll get to it in a bit.
Is a button saying "Upload chapter" and another "Update categories" ok?
or just update for the categories, the summary, warnings, and other things of that nature
 

BlackSun

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That's what the "Update categories" would be for. It would open a form like the upload one except without the file upload.
If I were to put one button for each category, the control panel would be too cluttered, because of all the options you can set (three fandoms, three genres, two warnings, one rating = 9 buttons).
And I'm not counting the type options I 'm thinking of adding (taken from Mediaminer, AU, Crossover, etc...).
 

SotF

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Perhaps add a section for things like AU and Crossovers similar to how the fandom choices are
 

Zenithos

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Umm...please excuse my blatant n00bness here :p

I can't seem to upload or update any fics now. Each time I click on the update, upload, or new story buttons in the control panel, I only get redirected back to the control panel for some reason. Is something else supposed to happen? A poppup or new window of some sort? Should I readjust my browser settings or something?

And that NGE fic I uploaded earlier still hasn't shown up :huh: .

Just wondering. :lol:
 
BlackSun said:
Kasumi's Final Move now apparently has 3 chapters of the same thing
Avis seems to have uploaded three versions of the same thing in different formats, so ew can see which formats are ok. The first is Word generated HTML, the second clean HTML and the third, plain text.
I can now see all three versions. Even the Word htm version comes out fine! :wub: Although the Word version sometimes hangs in the download... but that's probably MS's fault. :lol: I'll stick with the filtered htm version and delete the others.

I must say, for a site that is only 3 weeks old, being able to handle the imbedded html links to the footnotes is very impressive. FFN, CoRK and MM all failed to handle the tags as well as you have. Will this also work for links to sites outside of the uploaded file itself? If it does I'm thinking of imbedding links to uploaded images in future stories. :evil:

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Zenithos said:
I can't seem to upload or update any fics now. Each time I click on the update, upload, or new story buttons in the control panel, I only get redirected back to the control panel for some reason. Is something else supposed to happen? A poppup or new window of some sort? Should I readjust my browser settings or something?
Hmm... I just noticed the same thing. Can't edit the story to delete the other chapters. I also noticed an error in my original file and can't upload a correction. Do you plan to add an on-screen text editor like FFN? If so will it be able to handle html?

BlackSun said:
Ok. I'll get to it in a bit.
Is a button saying "Upload chapter" and another "Update categories" ok?á
I assume that's what you're working on now, and the reason Zenithos and I are having this problem. I'll get back to this again in the morning.

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More growing pains, but still very impressive work for a 22-day old site. From Zeni's post looks like a 200% growth in authors posting or 166.66% growth in chapters posted all in the last 2 days! :yay:

You definitely deserve our thanks for going through all this bother. :hail:
Ave, Sol Negri. Ave!
Ave, imperator!
 

BlackSun

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Zenithos said:
Umm...please excuse my blatant n00bness here :p

I can't seem to upload or update any fics now. Each time I click on the update, upload, or new story buttons in the control panel, I only get redirected back to the control panel for some reason. Is something else supposed to happen? A poppup or new window of some sort? Should I readjust my browser settings or something?

And that NGE fic I uploaded earlier still hasn't shown up :huh: .

Just wondering. :lol:
Sorry, I had made a change to the control panel and it didn't woirk. It's now back to the way it was before.
But I really don't know about your fic. It just isn't in the database. could you try uploading it again, please?
 

Zenithos

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Yeah, I'll give it a try in a bit.

Oh, and seconding what Avis said -

Yes, we owe you a lot, BlackSun. We shower thee with our praises. :yay: :yay:
You've gotta be a net genius to be able to pull something like this off. As I said before, all I can do, at best, is copy paste HTML :p This whole thing looks like Greek coupled with rocket science as far as I'm concerned. :lol:
 

BlackSun

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About the praise for handling HTML so well, it's nothing worth of praise. Odds are I'll be criticised about it soon.
FF.net and MM don't allow some tags, and remove them from the uploaded files, either for security purposes or to make all fics look the same. I allow HTML without any changes to the file, that's why it shows so well.
About the online editor, I'm looking into it, but I haven't had the time to test one yet.
 

Jakkun

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Have you ever looked at the code to a Word HTML file? :p

The reason Word HTML takes so long to load is that it is cluttered to hell with worthless tags. There are programs that declutter them. It is probably easier to just write in a different html editor though.
 
I was able to upload the corrected chapter when I got the ff error message:

Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_ECHO, expecting ',' or ';' in /www/110mb.com/b/l/a/c/k/s/u/n/blacksun957/htdocs/controls.php on line 58
On going back to the fanfiction screen I noted that a 4th chapter was added instead of the 1st chapter being replaced. I also noticed that SotF's 2nd story 'Nightmare Dawning' is misreported as having 4 chapters instead of just 1.

Clicking the Delete Chapter button on the Control Panel gave a 404 error redirect.

Which brings up the MOST important editing tool. The Delete Story option. :p

Regarding my earlier comment about Quirk of Fate opening at Chapter 1 instead of at the prologue: Maybe SotF could re-upload Chapter 0 as the Default Chapter? Would that select which chapter the story opens at?
 

BlackSun

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You managed to try using the control panel right when I was replacing it.
And the delete chapter was added seconds before I post this reply.

About SotF's fic, I was kinda surprised when I saw a chapter "0". I'm thinking if it's worth allowing it of if I'll have to enforce the first chapter to be numbered "1".

He would have to re-upload chapter 0 as chapter 1, chapter 1 as chapter 2, and so on.
 

Jakkun

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Maybe have the 0 page be a more detailed summary of the story. The small summary that ffn has just doesn't cut it in most cases. MM has a decent idea for a story page, they just need to fix their indexing system.
 

BlackSun

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Maybe have the 0 page be a more detailed summary of the story. The small summary that ffn has just doesn't cut it in most cases. MM has a decent idea for a story page, they just need to fix their indexing system.
Too complicated. Not only for me, but for anyone uploading a fic.
MM's story page is something I never liked, it's one more click before getting to the chapters.

And MM's indexing system is crap. Mine isn't good, but it's still better than something like "http://www.mediaminer.org/fanfic/view_ch.php?cid=447546&submit=View+Chapter&id=130233".

Now that you mentioned ff.net's summary, how big is it? 255 chars?
 

Jakkun

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I think so.

You don't have to have it be the default load page, but it existing if anyone wants more detail on a story would be good. An expanded summary itself would do. If you have it list the fandoms, warnings, etc. It basically writes itself. As far as I know, there is no way for a reader to know most of the stuff that the author decides on for a story on ffn. Like the character thing, you have to set up the filter and see if it's in there.

Can you introduce character sets instead of just being two? Or perhaps add harem as an option in the character list. For some crossovers, the pairing involves characters from different series, and that is worthless on ffn. A crossover character section on the list would be good too.
 

BlackSun

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Adding character sets has one "small" problem: the need to add every character from every fandom to the database, one by one.
About an expanded summary: you mean one bigger than ff.net's?
 

Jakkun

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Something like that. Basically it shows all the stuff the Author inputted about the story.

For the sets I meant instead of just having two characters listed, you have the option for groups of two. Normally it's characters A and B. By adding the sets you can have C and D also finding the same story, but they have to work as a set so A and C and B and D don't pull up the story as well. It wouldn't matter if it's used to set up multiple pairings for one person, but when you want to have certain pairings it matters. People that like Naruto/Hinata and Sasuke/Sakura do not typically like them being swapped. It should be possible to click to add sets of characters.

I suppose you could add in a character list that works similar to how deviantart sorts things. You pick the subject, anime, book, etc, the series, then the character. It can by default be set to the main fandom, and if they want to change it, they click it. It can be done, just takes some planning.

Originally, I meant that you add in harem, X-over char and probably OC to the sets for each series. They would look like A/harem, A/X-over character, or A/OC. This option is much easier than the all encompassing fandom list.
 

BlackSun

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Something like that. Basically it shows all the stuff the Author inputted about the story.
I think there's quite a bit of info by now, but I still want to allow more, it's just that I'm either too busy or too tired to add.

For the sets I meant instead of just having two characters listed, you have the option for groups of two. Normally it's characters A and B. By adding the sets you can have C and D also finding the same story, but they have to work as a set so A and C and B and D don't pull up the story as well. It wouldn't matter if it's used to set up multiple pairings for one person, but when you want to have certain pairings it matters. People that like Naruto/Hinata and Sasuke/Sakura do not typically like them being swapped. It should be possible to click to add sets of characters.
Almost unworkable. I'm not sure how I would do it (I'm still learning PHP), but it would complicate the filters so much the loading time of the fics list would increase a lot.
 

Jakkun

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I figured it would be hard to do unless you are an expert and have experience with a similar system. If you made actual tags for the story like TONFA has, that would be easier, but less versatile. Might work if the user and author write out the tags manually though. If they write them in a row followed by commas. It can work like google or something. No idea how familiar you are with search engine systems.
 
Delete Chapter works after a fashion. Sent a PM.

Will upload a multi-chapter test file later to retest the function.

The version of KFM now posted works as I originally intended when I first wrote it last year. The imbedded html tags finally allow me to skip back and forth between body text and footnotes online the way I do at home.

This is a function that I was looking for at all the existing archive sites. I hope you can keep it. Do you know how susceptible the code might be to hacking? That's the only reason I could think of for why FFN no longer allows it.

Keep up the good work! :mmm:
 

BlackSun

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avis de rapina said:
Do you know how susceptible the code might be to hacking? That's the only reason I could think of for why FFN no longer allows it.
Not a clue, but if it turns out to be too open, I'll look for a way to keep at least the links pointing to different parts of the same documents (like the ones you use) and block only links to external pages.
 
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