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So I found this little thing maybe you'll like it A Steven retrospective
Nohvarr said:
Knew this was coming....
It's true she left the order, but she still counts.
The thing about the show is that it can't end well for the heroes. Sure they can die doing something heroic, but sooner or later certain things have to happen before Luke leaves Tatooine.
Clone Wars was the same way. No matter how much good anybody did, it just wasn't going to end well no matter what.
I wonder if she'll find out who he is before he kills her? I get the impression that Obi Wan, Yoda, and his relatives were the only ones who knew who Darth Vader really was.
Does she has any chance? She should be faster and more agile, but Vader is a very powerful tank, has much more control over the force, so that means her mobility shouldn't matter, plus Vader is too powerful to be blocked effectivally and Ashoka was't particularly strong.
On the plus side she was very unpredictable and she was very good to get under Anakin's skin, so Vader could very well lost control over his emotions
On the plus side she was very unpredictable and she was very good to get under Anakin's skin, so Vader could very well lost control over his emotions
I she has a chance to survive a fight, but not win one.
She may get away from a duel with him with her life and face him again and die later on.
I give her a very good chance of getting away alive actually. I think it's pretty likely that they'll have more than one duel before he finally kills her.
They might just have her die and be done with it, but I don't really see them not milking this for at least a little while. Then again, Ahsoka specter will probably show up after she dies. We'll probably see Karan end up like that at some point as well. Perhaps Erza will bite it getting those plans and being a casualty along with all those Bothans as mentioned in Ep 4 at the end of the road. I could see him facing down Vader so those with the plans could escape.
She may get away from a duel with him with her life and face him again and die later on.
I give her a very good chance of getting away alive actually. I think it's pretty likely that they'll have more than one duel before he finally kills her.
They might just have her die and be done with it, but I don't really see them not milking this for at least a little while. Then again, Ahsoka specter will probably show up after she dies. We'll probably see Karan end up like that at some point as well. Perhaps Erza will bite it getting those plans and being a casualty along with all those Bothans as mentioned in Ep 4 at the end of the road. I could see him facing down Vader so those with the plans could escape.
Well, here's what Soul Calibur came up with for Vader's fighting style
Vader: Critical Finish
Just a thought, it would ALMOST be worth it to Keep Ashoka around just long enough to explain how Luke went from having only an unconscious connection to the force to being able to pull his Lightsaber from the snow. She might even hesitate to tell him the truth (if she knows it) because she'd rather Luke honor the memory of her master and not the monster he's become.
Vader: Critical Finish
Just a thought, it would ALMOST be worth it to Keep Ashoka around just long enough to explain how Luke went from having only an unconscious connection to the force to being able to pull his Lightsaber from the snow. She might even hesitate to tell him the truth (if she knows it) because she'd rather Luke honor the memory of her master and not the monster he's become.
Nohvarr said:
Well, here's what Soul Calibur came up with for Vader's fighting style
Vader: Critical Finish
Just a thought, it would ALMOST be worth it to Keep Ashoka around just long enough to explain how Luke went from having only an unconscious connection to the force to being able to pull his Lightsaber from the snow. She might even hesitate to tell him the truth (if she knows it) because she'd rather Luke honor the memory of her master and not the monster he's become.
Vader: Critical Finish
Just a thought, it would ALMOST be worth it to Keep Ashoka around just long enough to explain how Luke went from having only an unconscious connection to the force to being able to pull his Lightsaber from the snow. She might even hesitate to tell him the truth (if she knows it) because she'd rather Luke honor the memory of her master and not the monster he's become.
Plus, if that was the case he'd have had enough training that he wouldn't have been surprised by Yoda and would have heard of him before Obi Wan's ghost talked to him while he was half dead in the snow.
Luke would have made mention of her at some point if that was the case and they would have used her against the Death Star if they had a Jedi. That was a do or die situation for them and they threw everything they had at it.
She's likely dead along with the two other Jedi characters in Rebels before Episode IV, even if only just before. I doubt she ever meets Luke even as a boy. His Aunt and Uncle wouldn't have stood for it. They didn't even like Obi Wan much and didn't want him around the boy.
Contrabardus said:
Nohvarr said:
Well, here's what Soul Calibur came up with for Vader's fighting style
Vader: Critical Finish
Just a thought, it would ALMOST be worth it to Keep Ashoka around just long enough to explain how Luke went from having only an unconscious connection to the force to being able to pull his Lightsaber from the snow. She might even hesitate to tell him the truth (if she knows it) because she'd rather Luke honor the memory of her master and not the monster he's become.
Vader: Critical Finish
Just a thought, it would ALMOST be worth it to Keep Ashoka around just long enough to explain how Luke went from having only an unconscious connection to the force to being able to pull his Lightsaber from the snow. She might even hesitate to tell him the truth (if she knows it) because she'd rather Luke honor the memory of her master and not the monster he's become.
Plus, if that was the case he'd have had enough training that he wouldn't have been surprised by Yoda and would have heard of him before Obi Wan's ghost talked to him while he was half dead in the snow.
Luke would have made mention of her at some point if that was the case and they would have used her against the Death Star if they had a Jedi. That was a do or die situation for them and they threw everything they had at it.
She's likely dead along with the two other Jedi characters in Rebels before Episode IV, even if only just before. I doubt she ever meets Luke even as a boy. His Aunt and Uncle wouldn't have stood for it. They didn't even like Obi Wan much and didn't want him around the boy.
Or she might just be little more than a vegitable, only able to talk to Luke through the Force.
I know little about the expanded SW'verse, so I'm just guessing.
da_fox2279 said:
Contrabardus said:
Nohvarr said:
Well, here's what Soul Calibur came up with for Vader's fighting style
Vader: Critical Finish
Just a thought, it would ALMOST be worth it to Keep Ashoka around just long enough to explain how Luke went from having only an unconscious connection to the force to being able to pull his Lightsaber from the snow. She might even hesitate to tell him the truth (if she knows it) because she'd rather Luke honor the memory of her master and not the monster he's become.
Vader: Critical Finish
Just a thought, it would ALMOST be worth it to Keep Ashoka around just long enough to explain how Luke went from having only an unconscious connection to the force to being able to pull his Lightsaber from the snow. She might even hesitate to tell him the truth (if she knows it) because she'd rather Luke honor the memory of her master and not the monster he's become.
Plus, if that was the case he'd have had enough training that he wouldn't have been surprised by Yoda and would have heard of him before Obi Wan's ghost talked to him while he was half dead in the snow.
Luke would have made mention of her at some point if that was the case and they would have used her against the Death Star if they had a Jedi. That was a do or die situation for them and they threw everything they had at it.
She's likely dead along with the two other Jedi characters in Rebels before Episode IV, even if only just before. I doubt she ever meets Luke even as a boy. His Aunt and Uncle wouldn't have stood for it. They didn't even like Obi Wan much and didn't want him around the boy.
Or she might just be little more than a vegitable, only able to talk to Luke through the Force.
I know little about the expanded SW'verse, so I'm just guessing.
Obi Wan was able to do what he did because of training he received from Yoda to commune with spirits. I think it worked the other way around as well and that's how he was able to help Luke the way he did as a ghost. I don't believe there's any canon reason to think Ahsoka has that sort of training and could do that.
Plus, there is the whole "balance of the Force thing" even paralyzed Ahsoka would have still been a Jedi. Plus the Rebellion does have access to cybernetics, Luke has an arm, and I don't doubt that they could give her robotic legs and a spine replacement if they needed to. Rumors about Luke in episode VII say that because he's the only Jedi left, he is so powerful that he can't really control his powers, which is why he's in hiding the way he is. Shit happens just because he's around and he might hurt people because of it.
I really don't see Ahsoka surviving rebels.
She might if she ends up leaving Imperial Space. She could just go and fuck off away from the rest of the Rebels and Imperials for some reason. Maybe she thinks that the only future possible is one outside the area of Imperial control. It's a big galaxy after all, and maybe something bad happens that disillusions her with the Rebels.
Granted I don't see Vader leaving her alone if he thinks she's alive, but that's another kettle of fish.
Granted I don't see Vader leaving her alone if he thinks she's alive, but that's another kettle of fish.
Why help Luke then?
That premise pretty much requires her to say "Fuck this, I'm out" and pretty much give up on the Galaxy completely as a lost cause. Given her role in Rebels, I don't see that happening. She'll fight until she dies and won't abandon her friends. I could see this happening if her friends and the Rebellion stab her in the back, or if all her friends die, but nothing less will turn her away I think. I don't see her taking the role of sole survivor again. Ezra maybe, but not her. I honestly don't expect even Ezra to survive the final parts of Rebels unless he gives up the Jedi path completely and loses his Force abilities somehow. Maybe by way of some trauma or something.
I really don't see a situation where she goes to the outskirts and abandons the fight, yet is still willing to risk giving herself away and stick her nose in to help Luke.
Even if it was some loyalty to her old master because he's Anakin's son, I really think she'd likely try to get him to run with her to the outer parts of the galaxy rather than train him to take on the Empire and fight Vader if she had become a recluse who had turned her back on the Rebellion that way.
That premise pretty much requires her to say "Fuck this, I'm out" and pretty much give up on the Galaxy completely as a lost cause. Given her role in Rebels, I don't see that happening. She'll fight until she dies and won't abandon her friends. I could see this happening if her friends and the Rebellion stab her in the back, or if all her friends die, but nothing less will turn her away I think. I don't see her taking the role of sole survivor again. Ezra maybe, but not her. I honestly don't expect even Ezra to survive the final parts of Rebels unless he gives up the Jedi path completely and loses his Force abilities somehow. Maybe by way of some trauma or something.
I really don't see a situation where she goes to the outskirts and abandons the fight, yet is still willing to risk giving herself away and stick her nose in to help Luke.
Even if it was some loyalty to her old master because he's Anakin's son, I really think she'd likely try to get him to run with her to the outer parts of the galaxy rather than train him to take on the Empire and fight Vader if she had become a recluse who had turned her back on the Rebellion that way.
I suppose, but it's super unlikely. Out of anyone in Rebels who has a lightsaber that isn't an Imperial, I think Ezra has the best chance of making it out alive, and probably only if he gives up being a Jedi or loses his force abilities somehow.
My guess is that he'll be the last Jedi standing and then die with the Bothans mentioned in Episode 4 who got the Death Star plans from the Empire.
EDIT: Nevermind about the Death Star Plans Heist. That will be the focus of the first spin off film "Rogue One". The director has specifically mentioned there would not be any Jedi in the film so Ezra and crew likely won't have anything to do with it.
My guess is that he'll be the last Jedi standing and then die with the Bothans mentioned in Episode 4 who got the Death Star plans from the Empire.
EDIT: Nevermind about the Death Star Plans Heist. That will be the focus of the first spin off film "Rogue One". The director has specifically mentioned there would not be any Jedi in the film so Ezra and crew likely won't have anything to do with it.
Contrabardus said:
da_fox2279 said:
goldenarms said:
Nice find.
Does make a lot of sense, though.
