Ranma ½ Destroying all Katsujin-ken Users

[daniel_gudman]

Yami is a worldwide organization with enough military power to take over a country. THe styles they use include the old and anachronistic, and the new mixes of styles. They are everywhere, and very powerful. Your argument is that in "the real world" Yami would be wiped out by a conglomeration of the other groups.

Well... I'm not arguing this point, exactly. Saying "enough power to take over a country" is pretty potent, but... which country? I don't think the JSDF or the PLA would stand for citizens being murdered by an international shadow organization.

It's not just the people with kungfu that would be angry, it would be the people with guns.

I hate to do this, but either get with the program, so to speak, or stop posting here. There are other threads where you can describe everything that's wrong with the series if you want to.

...well, I understand what you're driving at, but at the same time I feel like you're saying "since you don't agree with my version, don't post in this thread." I mean, that's okay since it's essentially your topic, but....

 

[Jetflash]

Yami is a worldwide organization with enough military power to take over a country. THe styles they use include the old and anachronistic, and the new mixes of styles. They are everywhere, and very powerful. Your argument is that in "the real world" Yami would be wiped out by a conglomeration of the other groups.

Well... I'm not arguing this point, exactly. Saying "enough power to take over a country" is pretty potent, but... which country? I don't think the JSDF or the PLA would stand for citizens being murdered by an international shadow organization.

That's just it. It wouldn't matter in HSDK. We've seen the Super Master-Class characters destroying tanks, dodging bullets, and the like.

Indeed, until the "good" members of the Russian govenment hired Akisame to take out Alexander Gaidar, Gaidar was in control of a number of Russian Military forces.

Also, the king (or prince, can't remember) of a small country was a member of Yomi.

And when the UN did do something about Yami, invading the D of D tournament, they would have been both unable to invade, and have been driven off the island if the masters of Ryozanpaku hadn't interfered. The Yami troops had the most modern weapons and armor, and highly defensible positions prepared, that were only broken through by virtue of UFPOM (Unidentified Flying Perverted Old Man).

I think it was even the leader of Ryozanpaku that said that the members of "One Shadow, Nine Fists" could destroy thousands of soldiers in combat, each.



I'm not saying "if you don't agree with my version, don't post in this thread," I'm saying "if you aren't willing to accept the rules of the world laid out in HSDK, don't post stuff refuting them here." If you want to make a thread or go to another thread and post stuff to that effect, go ahead. But this isn't the place for it.

 

[windstorm]

There probably are a number of other super martial arts groups out there that simply ignore Yami since they don't see it as a problem for their organization plus a handful of singular super martial artists. I think if Yami went too far and tried to take over a country or something it might cause them to become a target for all of these other people since none of them want any single group with that much influence or it simply ticks them off. Yami would be in real hot water if that happened.

The main reason Yami doesn't take over a country is that they only have a singular goal which is spreading satsujin ken (killing fist) and eliminating the strongest katsujin ken (life fist) martial artists. Since that goal is so one sided doing something on the scale of controlling a whole country is kind of pointless to them. All the underground fighting and assassinations and such are mostly just to earn money, keep in practice and for some Yami/Yomi members alleviate boredom.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Hmmm... that last post gave me a thought... forgive me if this has been suggested before, but if it has, I don't recall offhand.

Nearly every idea I've seen for a Ranma / HSDK cross has been Ranma meeting with the main Ryozanpaku crew and/or Kenichi, and most of those early on. What if instead Yami/Yomi decided to target Ranma for assasination ( not recruiting ) due to him unknowingly or potentially having been classed as some threat to them. Thus Ranma is having to deal with martial arts masters and students out for his head.

Eventually, either by witness to it, or hearing about it, the Ryozanpaku gang and/or Kenichi/Miu hear/see it and actually explain it to him. Thus, they meet, perhaps even allow for cross training. Perhaps the masters training Ranma, and Ranma helping with training for Kenichi. Ranma in this scenario would be perhaps mid pack in strength/abilities ranked against the masters, and higher than Miu/Kenichi.

Keep in mind... this scenario would actually not be all that far out there from HSDK canon. I remember fairly early on in the Yami/Yomi arc someone at Ryozanpaku mentioning other dojo's martial artists in the area were being targeted for their signs and as tests.

 

[Jetflash]

Hmmm...? that last post gave me a thought...? forgive me if this has been suggested before, but if it has, I don't recall offhand.

Nearly every idea I've seen for a Ranma / HSDK cross has been Ranma meeting with the main Ryozanpaku crew and/or Kenichi, and most of those early on.? What if instead Yami/Yomi decided to target Ranma for assasination ( not recruiting ) due to him unknowingly or potentially having been classed as some threat to them.? Thus Ranma is having to deal with martial arts masters and students out for his head.

Eventually, either by witness to it, or hearing about it, the Ryozanpaku gang and/or Kenichi/Miu hear/see it and actually explain it to him.? Thus, they meet, perhaps even allow for cross training.? Perhaps the masters training Ranma, and Ranma helping with training for Kenichi.? Ranma in this scenario would be perhaps mid pack in strength/abilities ranked against the masters, and higher than Miu/Kenichi.

Keep in mind...? this scenario would actually not be all that far out there from HSDK canon.? I remember fairly early on in the Yami/Yomi arc someone at Ryozanpaku mentioning other dojo's martial artists in the area were being targeted for their signs and as tests.

PCHeintz, please read the first post of this thread.

Please.

The first part of my original idea was what you just posted, somewhat.

Okay, far enough away to be forgivable.

But it does mention when that "challenging other dojos" bit happened.

Furthermore, right before the D of D tournament, all of the various martial artists we saw fight the Ryozanpaku masters earlier in the series come and ask them to avenge the destruction of their dojo and training grounds.



EDIT: Sorry, that came out really asshole-like. It's about 4:30 AM where I... am.

 

[Sledgehammer]

Well, shucks, there's so many ways you could edge Ranma or any other crossover character into the storyline...

Maybe have him as an old sparring buddy of Tanaka, who enlists Ranma's help in tracking down Ogata.

Or have Ranma as the object of Kisara and/or Kaname's school-girl crush back in the day, and a minor member of Yomi finds out about it, and gets it in their head to use Ranma as leverage. Bonus points if they find Ranma while he's penis-impaired, and comes to an unseemly conclusion.

Maybe Koga, in his quest for vengeance against Kenichi and Miu, winds up in Nerima, and finds himself a new master.

Heck, Ranma could be the reason why Kajima has all those scars...

The possibilities are just a little too endless

 

[PCHeintz72]

EDIT: Sorry, that came out really asshole-like. It's about 4:30 AM where I... am.

No worries... I made my post at 3:30 or so. Just as tired. For some reason, I had not been in this thread before, thought it was one of the other HSDK idea threads, I think there are three or so now.

I should note, I never made the connection of this thread to HSDK since the title had no connection I could see.

 

[nuclear death frog]

The title is a pretty blatant reference to Yami's stated goals. In fact, it is Yami's stated goal. They have to wipe out katsujin-ken (life-saving fist) to prove that satsujin-ken (killing fist) is the only true form of martial arts. It's been said outright.

 

[PCHeintz72]

The title is a pretty blatant reference to Yami's stated goals. In fact, it is Yami's stated goal. They have to wipe out katsujin-ken (life-saving fist) to prove that satsujin-ken (killing fist) is the only true form of martial arts. It's been said outright.

Shrugs... I never said they did not state it, I'm just stating seeing it here, on the forum, as a thread title, I did not make the connection.

Thus I made no posts here until I accidentally entered the thread earlier, and thought it was one of the other threads.

 

[Jetflash]

So, any suggestion on which member of Yomi should challenge the Tendo dojo?

 

[yakumo fujii]

So, any suggestion on which member of Yomi should challenge the Tendo dojo?

Boris. He shows up at the Dojo, breaks Akanes arms and moves on. Ranma arives home, finds out what happens and tracks him down to Ryozanpaku just before Boris and Kenichi throw down. Que an epic ass kicking of Boris.

Or maybe one can make it more interesting by having the masters intervene because they don't want him to interrupt Kenichi's fight.

 

[PCHeintz72]

So, any suggestion on which member of Yomi should challenge the Tendo dojo?

Boris. He shows up at the Dojo, breaks Akanes arms and moves on. Ranma arives home, finds out what happens and tracks him down to Ryozanpaku just before Boris and Kenichi throw down. Que an epic ass kicking of Boris.

Or maybe one can make it more interesting by having the masters intervene because they don't want him to interrupt Kenichi's fight.

That might not occur... The masters have repeatedly stated they should not interfere with the affairs of their students.

 

[CatOnFire]

So, any suggestion on which member of Yomi should challenge the Tendo dojo?

Boris. He shows up at the Dojo, breaks Akanes arms and moves on. Ranma arives home, finds out what happens and tracks him down to Ryozanpaku just before Boris and Kenichi throw down. Que an epic ass kicking of Boris.

Or maybe one can make it more interesting by having the masters intervene because they don't want him to interrupt Kenichi's fight.

Actually I have a bit of an idea that would allow Ranma to grow but not outright overpower his enemies. This Idea is pre-Senken Arc.

A Yomi went and challenged the dojo while Ranma was away and got into a fight with Akane whist Genma and Soun were watching alongside an older member. The younger of the Yomi breaks Akane's arm and while she is down goes for a deathblow, Genma quickly interferes incapacitating the Younger and as he checks Akane he is hit from behind by the Older Yomi watching, Soun draws his Nagaita (sp?) and the Two Yomi retreat, when he checks on Genma he finds the blow from behind killed him. Soun tells Ranma when he returns and also tells him about 2 sealed schools that Genma made, I figure without Genma's direct instruction he would learn them at a much slower rate.

All in all my idea is completely baseless since my knowledge of the series you hope to crossover Ranma with is completely empty. :huh.: Although hopefully I've given you something of value.

 

[Deathwings]

I figure without Genma's direct instruction he would learn them at a much slower rate.

Yeah right...

The entirety of Genma's "instruction" on how to execute the Umi-Senken was to show him, not even taught, just show, the Star Cloth techniques and that it could be used to become virtually invisible.

With the actual instructions scrolls in his possession, he'll master both thoroughly in a week, tops.

 

[ZeroForever]

except somethings are learned easier when shown then read, martial arts is one of them.

though the idea in general doesn't really work as each yomi member went off on there own for the dojo destroying (any people they brought with them like boris may have been trained but in no way the same level as the yomi members or genma for that matter). If anything it would be kasumi or nabiki that would get hurt as it's been shown that they infiltrated and attacked everyone in the dojo's to thoroughly crush them.

 

[yakumo fujii]

Genma quickly interferes incapacitating the Younger and as he checks Akane he is hit from behind by the Older Yomi watching, Soun draws his Nagaita (sp?) and the Two Yomi retreat, when he checks on Genma he finds the blow from behind killed him. Soun tells Ranma when he returns and also tells him about 2 sealed schools that Genma made, I figure without Genma's direct instruction he would learn them at a much slower rate.

Genma's way too badass to be killed in such a lame way.

 

[CatOnFire]

Genma quickly interferes incapacitating the Younger and as he checks Akane he is hit from behind by the Older Yomi watching, Soun draws his Nagaita (sp?) and the Two Yomi retreat, when he checks on Genma he finds the blow from behind killed him. Soun tells Ranma when he returns and also tells him about 2 sealed schools that Genma made, I figure without Genma's direct instruction he would learn them at a much slower rate.

Genma's way too badass to be killed in such a lame way.

Are we talking about the same Genma?

Sure Genma can be pretty bad ass but he is at best he a fat dumb cowardly thief 90% of the time. It didn't take much for Ukyo to kick his ass before he even learned who she was, the first time they were reintroduced.

except somethings are learned easier when shown then read, martial arts is one of them.

Everything Ranma has learned in the series has been through direct physical instruction and every time he has studied something from a scoll he has learned it slower, take the Shi-Shi Hokodan for example, he had the scroll but it wasn't until he was hit with the attack multiple times that he was able to create his own version of it. That's simply the best way Ranma learns techniques and probably the main reason why he is such a difficult and bad-ass fighter. Heh, it might also be one of the reasons he falls asleep and does poorly in school.

 

[nuclear death frog]

Are we talking about the same Genma?

Sure Genma can be pretty bad ass but he is at best he a fat dumb cowardly thief 90% of the time. It didn't take much for Ukyo to kick his ass before he even learned who she was, the first time they were reintroduced.

I thought it was pretty obvious that Genma let Ukyou win so that her focus on him would stop, not that she was actually good enough to beat him. Because Genma was still at least as good as Ranma at that point (better, really) and Ranma had Ukyou running for her life in seconds once he got remotely serious.

And he's not fat either; the manga makes it really clear that his bulk is muscle. His panda form is rotund, but pandas are like that.

 

[Belgarion213]

...... Genma is just to lazy to really put to much effort into most things. Genma going seriously is a VERY badass guy.

 

[Lost Star]

*snickers* People discount Genma far too much. The man is lazy and amoral, not weak, and far from fat. One does not go on a ten year training trip to laze around though, so it could be that the man is finally getting old when the manga starts.

One thing people forget often is that Genma is capable of doing anything Ranma can do at the beginning of the manga.

 

[Croaker]

Everything Ranma has learned in the series has been through direct physical instruction and every time he has studied something from a scoll he has learned it slower, take the Shi-Shi Hokodan for example, he had the scroll but it wasn't until he was hit with the attack multiple times that he was able to create his own version of it.

I seem to recall that Ranma was having trouble with the Umisenken until he found the pieces of the scroll and read them.

 

[NeverwhereCM]

Everything Ranma has learned in the series has been through direct physical instruction and every time he has studied something from a scoll he has learned it slower, take the Shi-Shi Hokodan for example, he had the scroll but it wasn't until he was hit with the attack multiple times that he was able to create his own version of it.

I seem to recall that Ranma was having trouble with the Umisenken until he found the pieces of the scroll and read them.

The only thing the scrolls did for Ranma was tell him that the styles were designed for theft. This may have been in between Genma's teaching and Ranma's practicing though. Either way, I don't think it had any real impact on him training.

 

[Croaker]

He learns at least one trick off the scrolls.

"Body Defense Shooting Star Cloth"

Notably, that trick is a very large part of how Ranma actually puts Ryu down.

Edit: And Genma reacts with "Wait what, how do you know about this?" so, at least from this translation, he didn't teach Ranma that.

Admittedly, not "having trouble with", but he learned off the scroll.

 

[Luthorne]

Everything Ranma has learned in the series has been through direct physical instruction and every time he has studied something from a scoll he has learned it slower, take the Shi-Shi Hokodan for example, he had the scroll but it wasn't until he was hit with the attack multiple times that he was able to create his own version of it.

I seem to recall that Ranma was having trouble with the Umisenken until he found the pieces of the scroll and read them.

The only thing the scrolls did for Ranma was tell him that the styles were designed for theft. This may have been in between Genma's teaching and Ranma's practicing though. Either way, I don't think it had any real impact on him training.

Actually, I seem to recall he picked up a move or two from the scrolls. Note here. Personally, I was under the impression that many of the moves he used at the end came from that envelope...all the other techniques had the connection between what Ranma had been practicing beforehand and the technique itself firmly underlined. But that was just my personal impression... :huh.:

...of course, I also tend to not think that Ranma knows all of the Umisenken, so...take that as you will. :sisi:

Edit: Ninja-ed. :sweat2:

 

[The Eromancer]

Necromancy is for Necrophilia.

Yes, I know how old this thread is now don't worry about that.


If anyone were to go ahead and write of a crossover with HSDK and Ranma its not just the difference in schools of thought that need to be taken into account but also backstory, there's tons of plot that comes from crap that happened years before the current events. Everything has its place in the plot that shows some rather far-reaching forethought.