Digimon Digimon Idea Thread.

[Deleted member 5249]

I wasn't talking about the series I was talking about the power he is said to have on his card. Seriously Does Dominimon have a actual card or is he manga only? Because it's been years since v-tamer and Seraphimon has still been holding on to #1 angel. He may have been retconned out with the expanding Digimon mythology.

Problem is that there are several mythologies now.

Hell, some of the other large changes is with the Armor Digimon and how their apparent level changes by series. Magnamon has been an Ultimate and a Mega at different parts (not counting 02 when all Armor Digimon were considered to be Champions...)

Comparisons are easiest to make within the same continuity.

As a whole I ignore continuities other than the card game for canon information about power levels and rankings. They get nerfed too much in the anime/ manga. As for armor DIgimon even in 02 Magnamon seemed like a perfect level considering the golden digimental was powered by Ken's crest. Though this is the same series that had MagnaAngemon lose to BWGmon.

 

[SotF]

As a whole I ignore continuities other than the card game for canon information about power levels and rankings.? They get nerfed too much in the anime/ manga. As for armor DIgimon even in 02 Magnamon seemed like a perfect level considering the golden digimental was powered by Ken's crest. Though this is the same series that had MagnaAngemon lose to BWGmon.

Blackwargreymon won, not by a head on fight, but by hitting what was letting his opponent remain in that form...

There are also several card games though.

Magnamon was listed as a Champion in the card game from the US and I believe his first releases in the Japanese ones before his later appearances.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

As a whole I ignore continuities other than the card game for canon information about power levels and rankings.á They get nerfed too much in the anime/ manga. As for armor DIgimon even in 02 Magnamon seemed like a perfect level considering the golden digimental was powered by Ken's crest. Though this is the same series that had MagnaAngemon lose to BWGmon.

Blackwargreymon won, not by a head on fight, but by hitting what was letting his opponent remain in that form...

There are also several card games though.

Magnamon was listed as a Champion in the card game from the US and I believe his first releases in the Japanese ones before his later appearances.

Magnamon might be in the same situation as Rapidmon which is both perfect/ armor or the English version got it wrong. It might even be another retcon.

 

[Daneel Rush]

Yes.

Lucemon and a bunch of dangerous Digimon do too.

Besides Guilmon's evolution line, only Lucemon, MirageGaogamon and Sefirotmon have the Digital Hazard symbol on their bodies.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Yes.

Lucemon and a bunch of dangerous Digimon do too.

Besides Guilmon's evolution line, only Lucemon, MirageGaogamon and Sefirotmon have the Digital Hazard symbol on their bodies.

Yeah I mixed up the number of hazard digimon up with x-antibody digimon.

 

[Daneel Rush]

Also, regarding the hierarchy of angels, six of them have been introduced, if we take into account every possible source, and eight if we don't stick to Ultimate-level Digimon. I think only a Principality-type is missing.

 

[Lord of Bones]

Going by power levels (and the Demon Lords = good counterparts powerwise theory), it's rapidly becoming obvious that any one of the Seven Great Demon Lords could've taken on the 01/02 cast with one hand while sipping tea with the other.

Why Demon didn't just curbstomp everyone for the Dark Seeds' locations is beyond me.

Also, are the Demon Lords who aren't part of the Seven weaker than their numbered counterparts? BelialVamdemon was strong, but he endured the most humiliating villain defeat ever, while Demon just went "Lol Noobs."

 

[Ryuugi]

I'm just going to clear up some stuff.

Daneel: As far as I can tell Sephirotmon doesn't have the Hazard symbol. His central sphere bears the Crest of Light and his head bears Culumon's thing, but I don't see any Hazard symbol.

Seiya and SotF: SlashAngemon is indeed an angel digimon. This is because he's a Power Digimon, and the Power's are the 6th hierarchy of angels. However, despite his name, MarineAngemon has no known association with Angemon or his Digivolutions. He's also a Fairy Digimon. Also, I'll have to check to make sure, but I remember Dominimon as being weaker then Seraphimon. If memory serves, Arkadimon defeated Seraphimon, forcing him to revert to Lord HolyAngemon. Later, when Neo attacked again, he evolved into Dominimon to help out, since he didn't have to power to become Seraphimon.

Seiya: I think you've confused Vademon with Ebemon, his Ultimate level. Vademon was the loser who faught Izumi, and his best attack is described as follows:

Unidentified Flying Kiss (ê½ûéé?ôèé?âLâbâX, Akuma no Nage Kissu?, lit. "Demon's Blown Kiss"): Makes a complete fool out of the opponent by blowing them a kiss before hurling meteors and planets at them.

His evolved form, Ebemon, has an attack that one-shots planets:

Planet Destroyer: Unlocks all of his accumulated powers and discharges them from the right gun. One planet can be destroyed in an instant through this attack.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Ah, my mistake then.

Though it is weird, Digimon Wiki and Wikimon didn't class Dominimon or SlashAngemon as a Angel or Arch Angel type like the rest.

 

[Ryuugi]

Dominimon never actually got a card (or appeared in a form of media that would say what his type was). SlashAngemon is a Power Type, and Powers are a type of angel.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Dominimon never actually got a card (or appeared in a form of media that would say what his type was). SlashAngemon is a Power Type, and Powers are a type of angel.

I see.

*SeiyaxUsagi?wonders what new Holy Digimon they plan to introduce to combat Ogudomon and Grandracmon in broken power

 

[Daneel Rush]

Well, the Digimon strictly defined as "Angel type" are Angemon, Angewomon, Darcmon, Pidmon and Lucemon. HolyAngemon is an Archangel type, Seraphimon is a Seraph type, Ophanimon an Ophan type, Cherubimon a Cherub type; we may safely assume Dominimon is a Dominion type; SlashAngemon is a Power type and ClavisAngemon is a Virtue type. That makes eight of nine angelic ranks.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Well, the Digimon strictly defined as "Angel type" are Angemon, Angewomon, Darcmon, Pidmon and Lucemon. HolyAngemon is an Archangel type, Seraphimon is a Seraph type, Ophanimon an Ophan type, Cherubimon a Cherub type; we may safely assume Dominimon is a Dominion type; SlashAngemon is a Power type and ClavisAngemon is a Virtue type. That makes eight of nine angelic ranks.

My mistake then.

 

[Daneel Rush]

SeiyaxUsagiáwonders what new Holy Digimon they plan to introduce to combat Ogudomon and Grandracmon in broken power

I'm personally wondering when the two remaining Royal Knights will be introduced.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

SeiyaxUsagiáwonders what new Holy Digimon they plan to introduce to combat Ogudomon and Grandracmon in broken power

I'm personally wondering when the two remaining Royal Knights will be introduced.

Probably when they make Digimon 06 or another Digimon manga if that ever happens. Poor Examon hasn't even appeared yet and neither has Lillithmon or Leviamon.

On another note, what is taking so long with Digimon 06? Digimon Savers was awesome and totally erased the fail of 04 to me.

 

[Lord of Bones]

What if Devimon had a Partner? In my original idea, the partner was Takato, but it could be whoever.

Ruki would have serious insecurity issues. Renamon, for all her experience, has nothing on Devimon, who would rip her apart in combat. This might even drive her into accepting Ice Devimon's deal.

Jenrya would be freaked out, but he'd probably get over it.

Impmon...same as Ruki. The Seven Great Demon Lords (all of which are possible evolution forms for Devimon, though I lean towards Demon) can pretty much rape anything short of Millenniummon.

Juri would be terrified, especially if Leomon and Devimon recognize one another.

The better question though, would be how this would change Takato and Devimon himself.

Just thought I'd expand on this.

Given Ruki's own superiority complex with regards to being the Digimon Queen, having some weak carebear nobody with a far more powerful digimon than hers would be the ultimate slap to the face. She could underestimate Devimon's capabilities and have a full-out duel with Takato, but even with all her tricks, Devimon would simply be too strong and too intelligent for Renamon to affect him. As I posted earlier, this might push her into accepting IceDevimon's deal.

Impmon would have serious issues. I can see him either doing his best to avoid Devimon or toadying up to him.

Takato might become somewhat darker in outlook, 'cuz of his partner is freakin' Devimon. You could tie this into the OP's crossover event and let the shit hit the fan.

I've also been toying with the idea of Taichi or Daisuke getting a Virus digimon for a partner, mostly because it's good for some tension...and because it could be funny - such as Daisuke getting BlackTailmon.

Who becomes LadyDevimon.

A very *affectionate* LadyDevimon.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

What if Devimon had a Partner? In my original idea, the partner was Takato, but it could be whoever.

Ruki would have serious insecurity issues. Renamon, for all her experience, has nothing on Devimon, who would rip her apart in combat. This might even drive her into accepting Ice Devimon's deal.

Jenrya would be freaked out, but he'd probably get over it.

Impmon...same as Ruki. The Seven Great Demon Lords (all of which are possible evolution forms for Devimon, though I lean towards Demon) can pretty much rape anything short of Millenniummon.

Juri would be terrified, especially if Leomon and Devimon recognize one another.

The better question though, would be how this would change Takato and Devimon himself.

Just thought I'd expand on this.

Given Ruki's own superiority complex with regards to being the Digimon Queen, having some weak carebear nobody with a far more powerful digimon than hers would be the ultimate slap to the face. She could underestimate Devimon's capabilities and have a full-out duel with Takato, but even with all her tricks, Devimon would simply be too strong and too intelligent for Renamon to affect him. As I posted earlier, this might push her into accepting IceDevimon's deal.

Impmon would have serious issues. I can see him either doing his best to avoid Devimon or toadying up to him.

Takato might become somewhat darker in outlook, 'cuz of his partner is freakin' Devimon. You could tie this into the OP's crossover event and let the shit hit the fan.

Impmon doesn't suck up to anybody. He'd challenge Devimon a thousand times and wouldn't care if lost every single time. Though Devimon would probably mock him every chance he got making him feel small in the process. At least he was somewhat hesitant with Guilmon being his friend and all in taking Zhuqiaomon's deal. With Devimon he'd take it gladly and shoot Devimon in the face the first opportunity he had. All the way back when Behemoth was introduced.

Takato, I have a feeling he'd be too scared to have a Devimon. Having a fallen angel would probably freak him out. For some reason I feel he'd try to re raise it to evolve
into different forms and depending if it's the dub version. He'd be too freaked about the Devimon he saw on TV. (The sub version only has the card game, the first two seasons are just in another universe not a tv show. Though the dub does create a more connected universe considering Jeff Nimoy created the Conspiracy that Izzy was Yggdrasil and the creator of the Savers world. Making Savers, a show within a show in Tamersverse.)

Juri, I don't she she'd be freaked out. She'd be used to Devimon long before she got Leomon. She barely knows the card game in the beginning. So she wouldn't have any prejudices towards him. Besides she had it in her heart to forgive Beelzebumon after all by the end. I don't think she'd do anything to hurt Takato's feelings by not accepting him.

One thing that saddened me about the whole trip to the digital world arc in tamers was the fact that they didn't think to see if Modify cards worked on themselves while they were digital. It would have been fun for a short while.

Also as I rewatch Adventure I have one question. Why the hell is Andromon so weak? As a perfect/ultimate he was infected by Devimon's black gear and IIRC the only Perfect that succumbed to Ken's dark rings while the rest all needed to be taken over by spirals. It took Hikari's digivice hitting him to wake him up.

 

[Ryuugi]

New Adventure idea.

In Digimon Adventure (the short movie, not the series), Taichi and Hikari found an egg the soon hatched into a Botamon that grew very quickly into a Koromon, and then into a very big Agumon, and an even bigger Greymon.

At the end of the movie, Greymon disappeared. What would have happened if he hadn't? What if he'd stayed in the city with Taichi and Hikari? How would this have change Taichi and Hikari?

There are several things to remember about this. First of all, the movie Agumon and Greymon weren't just bigger, they were stronger, as well. Movie Greymon, for example, fought one on one against a Perfect Level Digimon, and caused enough damage to be passed off as a Terrorist attack. Now how would two children change by having access to the kind of firepower?

Second of all, the evolutions. The normal MetalGreymon strength is said to 'be comparable to a nuclear warhead's'. This Agumon is way stronger then normal, as are his evolutions. Now how would two kids change by having access to that kind of firepower?

Third of all, Digimon, are, as a rule, protective of their human partners. It's pretty much just a matter of time before something happens to Taichi and Hikari, whether at the hands of humans or Digimon. And it's pretty much a sure thing that Agumon isn't going to like that one bit. We already know what kind of damage Digimon can cause on accident. A pissed off Digimon that has power comparable to Perfects that's trying? It's going to be like Godzilla all ove again.

Opinions? Or other ideas?

Seiya: About Andromon, do you want a logical or metalogical answer?

 

[Ryuugi]

Here is a plot bunny that I'm not sure how to make into an idea. A few months ago, information was posted about Gallentmon X:

Gallantmon X is an Exalted Knight Digimon and a carrier of the X Antibody whose Japanese name and design are derived from "Duke". Its English name is derived from "Gallant". One of the "Royal Knights", it pilots the Flying Dragon machine "Grani", as a dragon knight that races across the skies. It is clad in holy armor refined and constructed from 99.9% pure Chrome Digizoid, and its right hand can become the holy lance "Gram" while its left hand can become the holy shield "Aegis". It honors chivalry, and is a loyal vassal towards its lord. Carrying out its devotion as a knight, this Dukemon threw itself into the sacred battle and due to the X-Antibody it was at last blessed with the supreme sacred armor, sacred lance, and sacred shield. "Red Digizoid", "Blue Digizoid", and "Gold Digizoid" are rare metals, and its sacred hybridized equipment combined the Chrome Digizoid which boasted the highest known purities. Since its form was remodeled in order to demonstrate its holy power, the lance of light emitted from its sacred lance Gram was amplified. Furthermore, it is said that Dukemon's red mantle from before acquiring the X-Antibody was given to the hero, Leomon.

Any ideas for stories that could include this? I'm begining to get an idea for a Tamers fic, but there was also a Gallentmon in Savers, so...

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Seiya: About Andromon, do you want a logical or metalogical answer?

Either would be nice.

My stupid friend, Gentle Mirage got the crack idea Kouki from Savers is secretly Takeru's and Hikari's son which is why his last name is never announced and one way of writing his name is with the characters of Light and Hope. Now it won't leave me alone.

Personally I'm a little sad at the lack of use of Witchenly the realm where Wizarmon, Witchmon and Medieval Dukemon come from.
Medieval Dukemon

One of the famed "Whirlwind Generals", this Dukemon hails from the alternate dimension of Witchelny, the magical home of Wizarmon and defends its lands with his enchanted poleaxe Dunas as its hero and protector. Due to a special bond shared between the Digital World's Dukemon and himself, Medieval Dukemon traverse between both dimensions with the aid of the magical item, the "Forest Leaf".

This could have created a awesome setting for Tamers fics.

 

[Ryuugi]

Seiya: About Andromon, do you want a logical or metalogical answer?

Either would be nice.

My stupid friend, Gentle Mirage got the crack idea Kouki from Savers is secretly Takeru's and Hikari's son which is why his last name is never announced and one way of writing his name is with the characters of Light and Hope. Now it won't leave me alone. What do I expect from the girl who is 100% sure Yggdrasil was the mysterious voice that possessed Hikari?

Personally I'm a little sad at the lack of use of Witchenly the realm where Wizarmon, Witchmon and Medieval Dukemon come from.
Medieval Dukemon

One of the famed "Whirlwind Generals", this Dukemon hails from the alternate dimension of Witchelny, the magical home of Wizarmon and defends its lands with his enchanted poleaxe Dunas as its hero and protector. Due to a special bond shared between the Digital World's Dukemon and himself, Medieval Dukemon traverse between both dimensions with the aid of the magical item, the "Forest Leaf".

This could have created a awesome setting for Tamers fics.

Okay. The metalogical answer is that the producers needed to hint at future plot points, so they had something to build on. They probably weren't completely sure what they would do after Devimon, but this gave them something to work with. And guess what? They managed to build a whole arc around it. They couldn't outright state it, because, frankly, how could any of the Main Characters really know about this sort of thing? And they also couldn't really just let it come out of nowhere, because...well, you know what reactions people have when an entire story arc comes out of nowhere. But by including Andromon, they could do the former and dodge the latter. But, like I said, they probably hadn't worked out all the details, which is why Andromon was able to pwn Greymon and Garurumon, but as soon as Tentomon evolved he sunk like a rock. Because they'd worked out that Perfect > Adult but not the details about how much so.

The logical answer is that Andromon is a proto-type. For example, take a look at MetalGreymon and Machinedramon, who both use parts from Andromon (I remember reading that the same went for Megadramon, but I'm not sure if that's true). Hell, HiAndromon doesn't even bother with subtlity and is flat-out stated to be an 'improved and completed version of the once-imperfect Andromon.' So the logical reason is that, while he's a Perfect, his a proto-type Perfect. And despite what you see in Gundam (where a Proto-type can and has taken on 50 of the improved models), proto-types generally lose to the things that build on them. That's why they are proto-types.

Also, I try to see what I can dig up about Witchenly.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

But Monzaemon is a perfect too and was also overpowered by the dark gear. Eh. I'm sort of sad he always gets the shaft. I had a soft spot for them.

 

[Ryuugi]

On the other hand, Monzaemon isn't really a good example on the subject of power. He was, what? The first Perfect to ever lose to an Adult in a one on one fight? A freshly evolved Adult at that. Andromon at least went two-on-one against the two strongest Digimon the Adventure team had in 01, and beat Daisuke and TK in 02. I'm pretty sure he fought against Piedmon for awhile by himself, too, where every other Perfect was owned immediately (before Patamon went Ultimate).

About Witchelny:

Witchelny is and alternate dimension/separate area within the Digimon franchise, and home to several Digimon, mainly of the wizard type. Digimon of this area sometimes travel to the normal Digital World in order to further their own skills. Witchelny is based off another v-pet, "Magical Witches".

Never heard of "Magical Witches", but there you go.

Also, the following Digimon also come from there (I'll quote the text to give you some extra information about them):

Wizardmon comes from "Witchelny", which is a separate part of the Digital World. He is a shy and caring dealer by nature, though he rarely shows his real face except to those he trusts. Adept at trickery, he is capable of reading minds and conjuring energy in numerous forms. The zippers in Wizardmon's clothing lead to an area with a near-infinity space, just like Digitamamon's shell. Wizardmon has several physical qualities that make his appearance enigmatic and mystical. He wears ragged clothes, a pointed steeple hat with a skull on its base, and can create fear gas. He also is a twin of Sorcerymon, except for his scepter and clothing color.

Witchmon is a Wizard Digimon, with the appearance of a witch. She is very proud and has an unsympathetic personality. She comes from Witchelny, a separate part of the Digital World, and trains in order to surpass her rival, Wizardmon. She uses wind and water magic. Her special technique is to tear things up with the wind she controls.

Sorcerymon (Sorcerimon as alternative dub name) is a Champion Level Wizard Digimon. He is a recolored version of Wizardmon. He embodies purity of heart. His name is derived from the word sorceror, a type of mage in medieval folklore. He has mastered ice magic (a high classed language program) he learned from his home dimension, Witchelny. He is also a healer.

Mistymon is a Magic Warrior Digimon who comes from Witchelny. His motives are unclear. Well-versed in chivalry and magic, he attacks foes using an enchanted sword and crystal ball.

MedievalDukemon is a Warrior Digimon. He comes from and is a hero in "Witchelny", the home dimension of Wizardmon. He wields Dunas, a diabolic lance that is shaped like a pole axe.

Wisemon is a Demon Man Digimon whose name and design are derived from the mythological "Wise" men. It is a Digimon completely wrapped in mystery, and can appear anywhere in time and space via the Book. Treating the Book as a spiritual vessel, it frequently alters its shape to appear anywhere within the space-times which the Book has connected, and it is said that it's true form remains within a separate dimension. Among researchers it is rumored that it is in the same family as Piedmon, and of the same Demon Man type. The Space-time Stones which it holds in both hands are able to playback a record of a space, preserving every event and object within that space-time of the Digital World. Wisemon is said to be from Witchelny.

FlameWizardmon (FlaWizardmon in Japan) is the Armor Digivolved form of Tentomon and Wormmon through the Digi-Egg of Courage; their other forms are Salamandermon and Shadramon respectively. If you look closely at his hat, you can see he has goggles similar to Taichi "Tai" Kamiya's.

He comes from Witchelny, which is also the home of Wizardmon. A master of fire magic, his power is further raised by the two matchstick-like wands in his hands.

I hope that helps.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Oh. I was aware of all the digimon that came from the realm. I was just sad of it's lack of use in fanfictions.

*SeiyaxUsagiáhopes Gaioumon is part of the 06 cast.

Winning battles and increasing its strength, it is a Dragon Man Digimon that is a subspecies of Greymon-species Digimon, which are exceedingly superior as "Combat Species" Digimon. Discovered within a neglected Oriental computer, there are many parts of that strength which are unmeasured, but it has been confirmed that it possesses an unbelievable combat record from its countless battles. Its uniquely shaped "Kikurin" swords, which it acquired due to its combat experience, leave behind eerie tracks of light, and it is said that anything which touches those tracks will be torn apart. Its Special Moves are the tracks of the Kikurin swords (Rinkazan), and concentrating all the energy within the atmosphere and then detonating it (Gaia Reactor). Also, it has acquired "Rinkageki", which can attack distant enemies by combining the two Kikurin swords, causing those eerie lights to converge all at once.

 

[Ryuugi]

Ah. Sorry.

Well, here's another idea. It's probably for Tamers (for obvious reasons), but you could work it into Savers, I guess.

A Gallantmon that has the instinct of a virus type.á His mind has been completely converted to the dark side.á He wears a demonic armor made of Chrome Digizoid, in his right arm, he wields the shield, öGorgon", in his left arm, he wields the spear, "Balmung".

Among the Dragon Type Digimon, he is a Wicked Dragon who is the most atrocious. He is a member of the "Four Great Dragons", and while the other three are Holy Dragon Types, the line is drawn between them and the problem child, Wicked Dragon who has the "Digital Hazard". He is body wrapped in a body made of æChrome Digi-ZoidÆ. This "power" is had to be sealed in someone and if this seal was being unfastened, the Digital World would be going into ruins and there would be great damage done. Also, presently there is a theory arising that Megidramon and ChaosGallantmon have the same purpose. When Megidramon appears, wittiness have a surge of fear when this dark dragon has been spotted, and when the black knight has been spotted. Finally, presently his form has been confirmed by only some people, his existence is still a plausible case but it is still an illusion. Until the "X-Program" came into operation.

Also, you might be interested in this, Seiya:

An X-Antibodied Dragon Man type Digimon who is a subspecies of WarGreymon; this Digimon is very excellent at brawling, constantly winning wars and personally increasing his strength. He was found in the computer networks of the Orient, and what is not known about the exact level of his strength is made up for by the unbelievable amount of victorious battles in his war records. His "Kiku Rin" blades are of a peculiar shape, but leave sparks of doubtful light when struck; it's said that anything that touches them are torn apart. His special attacks are "Gaia Reactor", which concentrates atmospheric energy around him and fires it at the enemy, and "Will-o-the-Wisp Shot", which fires sparks of light from his "Kiku Rin" blades to behead the enemy. If he binds his "Kiku Rin" blades together, he can attack with "Will-o-the-Wisp Slash", which quickly concentrates the doubtful light from within the two blades and fires it at distant enemies.

Just some stuff you didn't post. Not sure which is more accurate.

Edit: Well, it's basically the same, but there are a few differences.