Evangelion Evangelion 2.22

[cheirus]

I'm judging Mari based on this one movie. Since movies, imho, should have complete story arcs. If Mari didn't serve a purpose other than to be introduced for future movies, that she should have been introduced in those future movies.

And i miss my creepy!Rei. Actually she's still creepy here. Oedipus is everyone's friend. It makes thing more moe? :huh:

And I can't help ponder the similarities between karekano and eva because Anno directed both of them. My mind is twisted like that.

 

[grant]

Animation was much better. I don't really get why they changed Asuka's last name except to keep the 'nami' ending constant, but it's a superficial change. They didn't have a huge amount of fan service, but there were still unnecessary bathroom scenes and Mari's 'jiggle'. I was a bit disappointed that the last fight didn't have the eating scene, but Shinji definitely took a couple levels in badass in this 'verse. And Kaworu's cool. Creepy, but cool.

And i miss my creepy!Rei. Actually she's still creepy here. Oedipus is everyone's friend. It makes thing more moe?

I think they realized that they had utterly failed to make Rei disturbing in the TV series, and so went the opposite route.

 

[Liam-don]

I'm judging Mari based on this one movie.á Since movies, imho, should have complete story arcs.á If Mari didn't serve a purpose other than to be introduced for future movies, that she should have been introduced in those future movies.

But just like Kaworu she served a purpose, if only peripheral.

And i miss my creepy!Rei.á Actually she's still creepy here.á Oedipus is everyone's friend.á It makes thing more moe?á :huh:

Despite what Asuka says, I honestly don't see anything romantic in Rei and Shinji's relationship. Or maybe it's willful denial. *shrug*

And I liked that elevator scene a lot more than the original, by the way.

And I can't help ponder the similarities between karekano and eva because Anno directed both of them.á My mind is twisted like that.

Yeah, but unlike Eva which a 100% Gainax product, Kare Kano was adapted from a shoujo manga.

 

[l3fty]

In a way, having ready active pilots out of Nerv jurisdiction actually fits better in the story, Kaworu was such a pilot back in tv series, here he is one of the European pilots along with Mari (fun fact, only today did I pay closer attention, 720p release is much better for noticing animation details, and saw russian on the warning signs in that base watching over Cocytus), which is further explained via political reasons and that actually makes sense, considering that they can't casually hide their operation that easy from political point of view.

They also killed the original plot point that one school class in a single school in always angel atacked city holds all of pilot candidates >.>.

One disturbing and interesting thing is Rit mentioning how everyone has a backup, Rei is obvious, Dummy for Shinji and unspoken for Asuka, other creepy thing is that Rit commented on Asuka as a precious sample, sample of what exactly.

Mari to me is quite a logical character in the movie, she is one of European eva pilots, her idea of entering Tokyo 3 without big announcements is to parachute into the city (and land off target on less gloomy Shinji) and she is following orders of European branch. Notice that Asukas new plug suit had green spots on very interesting spots.

 

[Belgarion213]

Well they could be running with the 'Eva pilots are not natural' theory thats sometimes been kicked around, with the mention of 'previous sample' for Asuka' etc. Hmm While probably not the best subs the first Night Asuka is sleeping in Misato's apartment and playing with her Doll she mentions 'I'm speacial, I'm different from them because of 'that''.

Now I'm probably focusing wildly of mark, it could be a possibility.

 

[bronquites]

In a way, having ready active pilots out of Nerv jurisdiction actually fits better in the story, Kaworu was such a pilot back in tv series, here he is one of the European pilots along with Mari (fun fact, only today did I pay closer attention, 720p release is much better for noticing animation details, and saw russian on the warning signs in that base watching over Cocytus), which is further explained via political reasons and that actually makes sense, considering that they can't casually hide their operation that easy from political point of view.

They also killed the original plot point that one school class in a single school in always angel atacked city holds all of pilot candidates >.>.

One disturbing and interesting thing is Rit mentioning how everyone has a backup, Rei is obvious, Dummy for Shinji and unspoken for Asuka, other creepy thing is that Rit commented on Asuka as a precious sample, sample of what exactly.

Mari to me is quite a logical character in the movie, she is one of European eva pilots, her idea of entering Tokyo 3 without big announcements is to parachute into the city (and land off target on less gloomy Shinji) and she is following orders of European branch. Notice that Asukas new plug suit had green spots on very interesting spots.

Notice that when Unit 02 is shown the aircraft it's carried on has "EU NERV" written on the wings, and the Task 02 message on Misato's car reads Nerv 3rd Branch with orders to act wherever threats appear. Ritsuko's dialogue during the storage of Unit 02 seems to indicate that Asuka was "loaned" rather than transferred.

In my opinion Kaworu he seems to come from Seele just like in the series. The base has no visible Nerv markings and the dialogue points in that direction. The fact that Nerv needed Kaji to get them the details on Mark06 construction seems to indicate that they are out of the loop (though it can also be a case of inter-agency rivalry as with Ritsuko not having access to Unit 04 data).

As for the school and the pilots anyone noticed the scene when Kensuke asks who's gonna be Unit 03 pilot and Touji goes "mmm, didn't win a prize". With his sister getting better seems there's no leverage to get him to pilot.

Anyone else noticed that the locations in the Bethany base are the rivers leading to hell?
The Angel escaped Cocytus, crossed the Styx and escaped Acheron just to enter Limbo.
The death and damnation theme is strong on that base.

 

[bissek]

But even with the idea of a limited number of active EVAs on one base at any time, Asuka's objections to hers being taken offlines were somewhat valid. At the time EVA-02 was placed in storage, the pilot scores were:

1. Shinji Ikari: 3 kills, 1 assist
2. Asuka Shinikami: 2 kills, 0 assists
3. Rei Ayanami: 0 kills, 2 assists

From a logical perspective, NERV would have been better serve to temporarily decomission the damaged EVA, assigned to the least accomplished pilot, than to decomission an undamaged EVA, assigned to the #2 pilot. Their combat capability would have been reduced to a much lesser extent in the event that something went wrong with EVA-03 and their chosen pilot for it couldn't use it (Which ultimately happened).

 

[Belgarion213]

Did Mari manage to kill that angel with the self destuct sequence at the start? Though your point stands either way.

 

[bronquites]

But even with the idea of a limited number of active EVAs on one base at any time, Asuka's objections to hers being taken offlines were somewhat valid. At the time EVA-02 was placed in storage, the pilot scores were:

1. Shinji Ikari: 3 kills, 1 assist
2. Asuka Shinikami: 2 kills, 0 assists
3. Rei Ayanami: 0 kills, 2 assists

From a logical perspective, NERV would have been better serve to temporarily decomission the damaged EVA, assigned to the least accomplished pilot, than to decomission an undamaged EVA, assigned to the #2 pilot. Their combat capability would have been reduced to a much lesser extent in the event that something went wrong with EVA-03 and their chosen pilot for it couldn't use it (Which ultimately happened).

I concur that Asuka's statements are valid and that it would be the logic course of action, but let's not forget that Unit 02 doesn't belong to Nerv Japan. Given the limit of 3 Units per country why would you decommission/store/mothball one of your own when there is one that is loaned, very important never underestimate politics, standing right next to it. Especially when you know that a brand new "take it, it's yours" Unit is coming your way.

As for the pilots you forgot Mari Makinami: 1 kill, 0 assists.

 

[bissek]

Who only achieved her kill by blowing up her Evangelion, something that doesn't really inspire confidence in her piloting skills. There also is no evidence that NERV-Japan was aware that she was in the country before she un-mothballed and hijacked EVA-02.

 

[Dartz_IRL]

Thing is, the area where Unit 02 was stored was outside NERV jurisdiction... there's even a line on the wall where it says IPEA(IAEA for Eva's?) jurisdiction begins, or something like that. It definitely seems like it was an unwilling decision, made purely for beureacratric reasons, rather than operational ones.

 

[bissek]

The bureaucratic ruling was that NERV-Japan had to mothball one of their three Evangelions before they could take possession of a fourth. They were free to choose whichever one to mothball they wanted, as far the given dialogue revealed. No doubt Gendo believed that the Scenario was best served by making a militarily idiotic decision.

 

[winchester]

The alternative to putting Asuka in 03 would be to put Rei in there instead, which I find to be more of a wildcard than using Asuka. As far as the rest of the world is concerned, Asuka already pilots a functionally identical unit and won't have to retrain to get optimum performance out of Sangouki, while Rei has only piloted the much more limited Zerogouki.

Of course, what I would have done is stick 03 directly into storage, since the available pilot/unit combinations already worked... (and wouldn't the angel have gotten frustrated with that?

SP

 

[Liam-don]

Without having a test run to make sure the pilots can use it? That sounds unwise.

 

[armoredishamael]

Well they could be running with the 'Eva pilots are not natural' theory thats sometimes been kicked around, with the mention of 'previous sample' for Asuka' etc. Hmm While probably not the best subs the first Night Asuka is sleeping in Misato's apartment and playing with her Doll she mentions 'I'm speacial, I'm different from them because of 'that''.

Now I'm probably focusing wildly of mark, it could be a possibility.

Remember, at the point Ritsuko calls Asuka a sample, she's been recovered after being eaten/merged/mindraped by Bardiel, and they're explicitly unsure what happened to her mind/soul.

It does seem likely that the pilots are...different...though; if Mari's backstory resembles her backstory from older EVA material, she's not Soryu Kyoko's daughter and yet is able to synch with 02. That seems to remove the mother/child connection required for piloting in the original, which leaves the question of what the new special requirement is.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Well they could be running with the 'Eva pilots are not natural' theory thats sometimes been kicked around, with the mention of 'previous sample' for Asuka' etc. Hmm While probably not the best subs the first Night Asuka is sleeping in Misato's apartment and playing with her Doll she mentions 'I'm speacial, I'm different from them because of 'that''.

Now I'm probably focusing wildly of mark,á it could be a possibility.

Remember, at the point Ritsuko calls Asuka a sample, she's been recovered after being eaten/merged/mindraped by Bardiel, and they're explicitly unsure what happened to her mind/soul.

It does seem likely that the pilots are...different...though; if Mari's backstory resembles her backstory from older EVA material, she's not Soryu Kyoko's daughter and yet is able to synch with 02. That seems to remove the mother/child connection required for piloting in the original, which leaves the question of what the new special requirement is.

TV series canon removes the Mother daughter connection by itself.

The cross sync tests between Unit 0 and Unit 1 involving Shinji and Rei. Each can sync with the other.

Now... Rei syncing with unit 1 and unit 0 could be explained a couple ways, but Shinji syncing with unit 0 cannot.


Also... in the first ep... Misato was surprised they were going to use Unit 1 instead of Unit 0. Of course, this is hardly definitive proof... Misato had no clue on the inner workings of Eva at that point.

 

[Thorn]

I loved everything about this movie. All the characters seem much better. Shinji in particular is awesome. There were a ton of moments when Series Shinji would've pussed out where this one kicked ass.

I also loved this Gendo. While still a bastard, he's shown with a lot more emotion. Even with for Shinji.

 

[Aranfan]

Why the flippin rat heck does Asuka have her Doll? Didn't that doll feature prominently in her mental breakdown in the TV show?

Shikinami is obviously a different character from Sorhyu. I also noticed that Shikinami is a lot more surly at school than Sorhyu was. Also smiled less, but more sincerely, than Sorhyu.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Blue Rei

What you did there.

I see it.

 

[marthf1]

What you did there.

I see it.

Now if we could just animate this chain of posts & add "..." somewhere....

 

[FinalMax]

We have confirmation of license. I am much pleased by this, as well as curious on the dub casting for Mari.

 

[coconutED]

Finally picked this up. A few random thoughts.

I'm glad that I waited for a Blu-Ray rip.

Mari...for all the hype she got pre-release, her role is... surprisingly limited. When she did her beast thing I was afraid that a full fledged mary-sue had been unleashed into the EVA-verse. Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised when she got her ass kicked. Still, my sue-sense is tingling. We'll see.

Being landed on by a person parachuting from the sky is not something you walk away from... Ah, who cares? Willful suspension of disbelief is in full force, so what the hell.

Not sure what I think about subbing Asuka for Toji in Unit 03. I'll reserve judgment until I see where they actually go with it...

Kaji...dear lord, what have you done? It was funny as hell...but I can already hear the yaoi fan-girls salivating.

My favorite angel fight was skipped.

 

[Scygnus Darkhawk]

Just got back from seeing it at the theater. Subbed, surprisingly.

I'm not sure enjoyable is the right word to use.

I like most of the changes, including miss 'fuck you I'm not done yet' <s>Kamina</s>Makinami. Asuka coping (or trying to) with the hand-puppet is interesting too. Putting Asuka in Unit 04... holy shit the writers are evil.

But the ending... Fuck You Gainax. Fuck You. Just out of curiosity, did the bootleg have the post-credits part where Kaworu showed up? Or the next-ep preview?

Waiting for the next part is going to suck.

 

[FinalMax]

I may or may not be fortunate this weekend. The one theater that is going to show Evangelion 2.0 has three nights of matinee showings of it and Eva 1.0. I'm hoping that the weather where I'm at doesn't prevent me from seeing those movies.

 

[Sdebeli]

Just got back from seeing it at the theater. Subbed, surprisingly.

I'm not sure enjoyable is the right word to use.

I like most of the changes, including miss 'fuck you I'm not done yet' <s>Kamina</s>Makinami. Asuka coping (or trying to) with the hand-puppet is interesting too. Putting Asuka in Unit 04... holy shit the writers are evil.

But the ending... Fuck You Gainax. Fuck You. Just out of curiosity, did the bootleg have the post-credits part where Kaworu showed up? Or the next-ep preview?

Waiting for the next part is going to suck.

I unfortunately don't have the luxury of watching it in cinema, but to answer your question:
The version I had stated the credits with the Ascension of Shinji and all that, only to add a scene where Nagisa Kaworu descends from the Moon, and impales the Unit-01 on the Spear of Longinius, while saying ... alright, spoilers too much. You get the picture.