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Mercsenary

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I tried reading Seikerei couldnt really get into it...
Nice fanservice but I cant stand the typical male main char in the genre.
 
WizardOne said:
Jomasten said:
WizardOne said:
People actually watch Eiken?
Its one of the most shallow and pointless fanservice anime ever...
Fixed for you, bro
While Eiken being a shallow fanservice anime is true, it is not relevant to the topic.


AND YES i'M SURE I'M MAD. FEEL MY FIERY RAGE. IM BAKING POTATOES ON MY RAGE RIGHT NOW.
Delicious rage potatoes.
 
WizardOne said:
Jomasten said:
WizardOne said:
People actually watch Eiken?
Its one of the most shallow and pointless fanservice anime ever...
Fixed for you, bro
While Eiken being a shallow fanservice anime is true, it is not relevant to the topic.


AND YES i'M SURE I'M MAD. FEEL MY FIERY RAGE. IM BAKING POTATOES ON MY RAGE RIGHT NOW.
:MoSf holds up a marshmellow on a stick:
 

Shiakou

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On that note, you can fry potatoes while they're covered in thick brown sugar. The result is almost certain eventually to induce diabetes, but it's delicious.
 

Muramasa

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Actually now that I think about it, how in the world was Shirou able to deduce that Miya is NOT a Sekirei? I mean, him detecting Miya isn't human is pretty much a given. But managing to detect she isn't a Sekirei through SCENT ALONE.


Sorry, but I gotta call an Ass Pull here.
 

Tsuki_CB

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Getting Shirou right according to you, need I keep reminding that the only other Shirou that he has portrayed was one he deliberately altered because of the changed back ground he gave, and that yes his knowledge WAS based on playing the game, despite what a lot of people thought. This Shirou comes from a pure UBW background where both Rin and Saber both survived, which is one of the canon endings. This Shirou has no reason to be radically different like HoS Shirou did.

That being said the chapter was decent. I felt it kinda dragged, but these types of chapters are usually necessary for you to get from A to B so I can see where the story needed it. On the Rin, Saber, and Clock Tower thing I believe GB said in an AN that, that will be one of the conflicts of the story, alongside the Sekirei war and Shirou's growing relationship with his rediscovered family.
 

Kai-

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Tsuki_CB said:
Getting Shirou right according to you, need I keep reminding that the only other Shirou that he has portrayed was one he deliberately altered because of the changed back ground he gave, and that yes his knowledge WAS based on playing the game, despite what a lot of people thought. This Shirou comes from a pure UBW background where both Rin and Saber both survived, which is one of the canon endings. This Shirou has no reason to be radically different like HoS Shirou did.

That being said the chapter was decent. I felt it kinda dragged, but these types of chapters are usually necessary for you to get from A to B so I can see where the story needed it. On the Rin, Saber, and Clock Tower thing I believe GB said in an AN that, that will be one of the conflicts of the story, alongside the Sekirei war and Shirou's growing relationship with his rediscovered family.
*looks at the previous few posts, doesn't see anything about ooc shirou*

lolwut

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@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

As explained in story:

All mages had a certain sensitivity to other magic being cast nearby, though the sensitivity was made known in different ways. Some magi might experience it as a sound, or a taste, or even a physical sensation. For me it was always scent, and after some experimentation Rin had finally had to shake her head in disbelief and announce in that teasing tone of hers that I was probably half bloodhound. The range and accuracy with which I could pick up on nearby magic was bordering on the unreal according to my tiny magi friend.
 

Muramasa

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@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
 

Shiakou

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Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
:huh.: GBs proven that he's willing to do the canonically impossible. Something that is theoretically possible, even if extremely unlikely, wouldn't stop him.

If it looks and sounds cool, I'd give even odds for GB writing it.

*imagines Shirou in Wolverine mode*

Protecting lolis. . . check

Popular with ladies. . . check

Able to summon weaponry instantly. . . check

Ability to repeatedly recover from life-threatening injuries . . . check

Apparently appears in every universe. . . check

All he needs is to appear in an unrelated work just so he can do some Worf Effect stunts.
 

WizardOne

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Shiakou said:
Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
:huh.: GBs proven that he's willing to do the canonically impossible. Something that is theoretically possible, even if extremely unlikely, wouldn't stop him.

If it looks and sounds cool, I'd give even odds for GB writing it.

*imagines Shirou in Wolverine mode*

Protecting lolis. . . check

Popular with ladies. . . check

Able to summon weaponry instantly. . . check

Ability to repeatedly recover from life-threatening injuries . . . check

Apparently appears in every universe. . . check

All he needs is to appear in an unrelated work just so he can do some Worf Effect stunts.
He's proven willing to do canonically impossible in One universe, but perhaps less so in a second.

IE: Shirou in HOS has the Gandalfr Runes, which were something of an Enhancement.
Also, theoretically impossible? In Fanfiction? What? If you couldn't do anything theoretically impossible in fanfiction and manga, I don't think they would exist...
 

Jomasten

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Kuu-ch - HNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGH!
 

Deathwings

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Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
Actually you've missed a detail.

Every sekirei have TWO "magic scent". One that is common to every sekirei, an overpowering sweet scent, and a secondary one that is tied into their power like Homura's smell of smoke or the twins smelling of ozone.

Miya's first scent however is different from others sekirei, hence why Shirou was able to determine that she was different.
 

rdde

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Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
His ability to smell magic isn't the same as smelling. If it was the same as the way we smell scents, he would not be able to:
  • distinguish multiple Sekireis in an area,
  • tell their general location,
  • easily distinguish the different scents of a Sekirei,
  • do so instantly the moment they come into range, nor
  • does the scent hang around and even grow stronger in frequented areas.
As was shown by his introduction to Karasuba.

Every Sekirei has at least two scents so far, a sweet one marking themselves as Sekirei and another one marking their ability. Miya's scent was presented as having a lot more scents, thus his assumption she wasn't a regular Sekirei.
 

Muramasa

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rdde said:
Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
His ability to smell magic isn't the same as smelling. If it was the same as the way we smell scents, he would not be able to:
  • distinguish multiple Sekireis in an area,
  • tell their general location,
  • easily distinguish the different scents of a Sekirei,
  • do so instantly the moment they come into range, nor
  • does the scent hang around and even grow stronger in frequented areas.
As was shown by his introduction to Karasuba.

Every Sekirei has at least two scents so far, a sweet one marking themselves as Sekirei and another one marking their ability. Miya's scent was presented as having a lot more scents, thus his assumption she wasn't a regular Sekirei.
I understand it's not normal scent. What I don't understand is how Shirou came up with that deduction even though all the normal identifiers for Sekirei were there. All the additional scents so to speak could simply be an indicator that she's highly advanced and extremely powerful, but ultimately still a Sekirei.

However Shirou presents this accusation as not an assumption but a statement of fact and I'm left wondering how he came to that conclusion.
 

blackkyuubi

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rdde said:
Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
His ability to smell magic isn't the same as smelling. If it was the same as the way we smell scents, he would not be able to:
  • distinguish multiple Sekireis in an area,
  • tell their general location,
  • easily distinguish the different scents of a Sekirei,
  • do so instantly the moment they come into range, nor
  • does the scent hang around and even grow stronger in frequented areas.
As was shown by his introduction to Karasuba.

Every Sekirei has at least two scents so far, a sweet one marking themselves as Sekirei and another one marking their ability. Miya's scent was presented as having a lot more scents, thus his assumption she wasn't a regular Sekirei.
Which she isn't.
 

Kai-

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Muramasa said:
rdde said:
Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
His ability to smell magic isn't the same as smelling. If it was the same as the way we smell scents, he would not be able to:
  • distinguish multiple Sekireis in an area,
  • tell their general location,
  • easily distinguish the different scents of a Sekirei,
  • do so instantly the moment they come into range, nor
  • does the scent hang around and even grow stronger in frequented areas.
As was shown by his introduction to Karasuba.

Every Sekirei has at least two scents so far, a sweet one marking themselves as Sekirei and another one marking their ability. Miya's scent was presented as having a lot more scents, thus his assumption she wasn't a regular Sekirei.
I understand it's not normal scent. What I don't understand is how Shirou came up with that deduction even though all the normal identifiers for Sekirei were there. All the additional scents so to speak could simply be an indicator that she's highly advanced and extremely powerful, but ultimately still a Sekirei.

However Shirou presents this accusation as not an assumption but a statement of fact and I'm left wondering how he came to that conclusion.
rdde's theory + he was bluffing.

If you're up against a potentially hostile unknown quantity, you're hardly going to play guessing games with them.
 

Shiakou

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WizardOne said:
Shiakou said:
Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
:huh.: GBs proven that he's willing to do the canonically impossible. Something that is theoretically possible, even if extremely unlikely, wouldn't stop him.

If it looks and sounds cool, I'd give even odds for GB writing it.

*imagines Shirou in Wolverine mode*

Protecting lolis. . . check

Popular with ladies. . . check

Able to summon weaponry instantly. . . check

Ability to repeatedly recover from life-threatening injuries . . . check

Apparently appears in every universe. . . check

All he needs is to appear in an unrelated work just so he can do some Worf Effect stunts.
He's proven willing to do canonically impossible in One universe, but perhaps less so in a second.

IE: Shirou in HOS has the Gandalfr Runes, which were something of an Enhancement.
Also, theoretically impossible? In Fanfiction? What? If you couldn't do anything theoretically impossible in fanfiction and manga, I don't think they would exist...
1. Dude, who said anything about the theoretically impossible?

2. I'd argue that becoming a Gandalfr was actually a downgrade compared to becoming a CG. CGs get as much power as the Earth wants them to.

3. Since In Flight isn't finished, you really have no basis for saying that GB won't do something there, especially since he was willing to do so earlier. All I'm sayin' is it's possible. That ain't criticizing or limiting anyone, now is it?

-Insert obligatory "HNNNNGGGGGGG~" for the pic.
 

WizardOne

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Shiakou said:
WizardOne said:
Shiakou said:
Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
:huh.: GBs proven that he's willing to do the canonically impossible. Something that is theoretically possible, even if extremely unlikely, wouldn't stop him.

If it looks and sounds cool, I'd give even odds for GB writing it.

*imagines Shirou in Wolverine mode*

Protecting lolis. . . check

Popular with ladies. . . check

Able to summon weaponry instantly. . . check

Ability to repeatedly recover from life-threatening injuries . . . check

Apparently appears in every universe. . . check

All he needs is to appear in an unrelated work just so he can do some Worf Effect stunts.
He's proven willing to do canonically impossible in One universe, but perhaps less so in a second.

IE: Shirou in HOS has the Gandalfr Runes, which were something of an Enhancement.
Also, theoretically impossible? In Fanfiction? What? If you couldn't do anything theoretically impossible in fanfiction and manga, I don't think they would exist...
1. Dude, who said anything about the theoretically impossible?

2. I'd argue that becoming a Gandalfr was actually a downgrade compared to becoming a CG. CGs get as much power as the Earth wants them to.

3. Since In Flight isn't finished, you really have no basis for saying that GB won't do something there, especially since he was willing to do so earlier. All I'm sayin' is it's possible. That ain't criticizing or limiting anyone, now is it?

-Insert obligatory "HNNNNGGGGGGG~" for the pic.
I misread Theoretically Possible for Theoretically Impossible, my bad.

I was talking about HOS mostly, havent seen where the new fic is going yet, but mainly I think that Gandalf Powers, which are powers over weaponry, kind of make sense combined with Archer, and that allowed me to suspend disbelief for some of his more crazy feats.

For all I know, In Flight could turn into a megacrossover with Eighty bajillion chracters all capable of instant world destruction.

I hope it doesnt though.




(Unless Shirou wins. :lol: )
 

icefire

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WizardOne said:
Shiakou said:
WizardOne said:
Shiakou said:
Muramasa said:
@Musamusa

He thought that Miya wasn't a Sekirei because she had a different magic being scent than the other Sekirei that he had encountered. And it isn't him using his sence of smell (as we would understand it), its that his magical being detection ability manifests through his sence of smell.

Would not work. All the Sekirei thus far have had a different scent. Shirou has nothing to go on with his deduction about Miya not really being a Sekirei.

Edit: Looking at it again, I suppose you could hand wave it that all of Shirou's abilities are being enhanced because of his bond with the other Sekirei. But man, to be that pinpoint accurate through scent... that is a big stretch.
:huh.: GBs proven that he's willing to do the canonically impossible. Something that is theoretically possible, even if extremely unlikely, wouldn't stop him.

If it looks and sounds cool, I'd give even odds for GB writing it.

*imagines Shirou in Wolverine mode*

Protecting lolis. . . check

Popular with ladies. . . check

Able to summon weaponry instantly. . . check

Ability to repeatedly recover from life-threatening injuries . . . check

Apparently appears in every universe. . . check

All he needs is to appear in an unrelated work just so he can do some Worf Effect stunts.
He's proven willing to do canonically impossible in One universe, but perhaps less so in a second.

IE: Shirou in HOS has the Gandalfr Runes, which were something of an Enhancement.
Also, theoretically impossible? In Fanfiction? What? If you couldn't do anything theoretically impossible in fanfiction and manga, I don't think they would exist...
1. Dude, who said anything about the theoretically impossible?

2. I'd argue that becoming a Gandalfr was actually a downgrade compared to becoming a CG. CGs get as much power as the Earth wants them to.

3. Since In Flight isn't finished, you really have no basis for saying that GB won't do something there, especially since he was willing to do so earlier. All I'm sayin' is it's possible. That ain't criticizing or limiting anyone, now is it?

-Insert obligatory "HNNNNGGGGGGG~" for the pic.
I misread Theoretically Possible for Theoretically Impossible, my bad.

I was talking about HOS mostly, havent seen where the new fic is going yet, but mainly I think that Gandalf Powers, which are powers over weaponry, kind of make sense combined with Archer, and that allowed me to suspend disbelief for some of his more crazy feats.

For all I know, In Flight could turn into a megacrossover with Eighty bajillion chracters all capable of instant world destruction.

I hope it doesnt though.




(Unless Shirou wins. :lol: )
I doubt that'll happen, mate, but 8 billion girls will be lulz.
 

rdde

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Kai- said:
Muramasa said:
I understand it's not normal scent.?á What I don't understand is how Shirou came up with that deduction even though all the normal identifiers for Sekirei were there.?á All the additional scents so to speak could simply be an indicator that she's highly advanced and extremely powerful, but ultimately still a Sekirei.?á

However Shirou presents this accusation as not an assumption but a statement of fact and I'm left wondering how he came to that conclusion.
rdde's theory + he was bluffing.

If you're up against a potentially hostile unknown quantity, you're hardly going to play guessing games with them.
I also believe that Shirou was working with reasonable assumptions, considering:
  • he has been in the city for months and came across and avoided dozens of Sekirei,
  • he has met Karasuba,
  • he has Akitsu, a scrap number, an unusual Sekirei,
  • he also has Homura, another unique Sekirei, in that nobody expected Homura to be winged,
  • he knows there were only 108 Sekirei, and he hasn't scented such unique scents in those he has detected,
  • and how the Izumo House was introduced.
In Flight Chapter 6: Sixth Wing said:
No, there are no Ashikabi at Izumo House," Homura admitted, wincing as he did so. "Only one of the Sekirei there has one, and I don't know where her Ashikabi is. The other two" Homura trailed off, looking uncomfortable. "The other two are in complicated situations."

"Complicated situations?" I prompted, trying to get any information so as not to enter the situation blind.

"Very complicated situations," Homura elaborated.
Putting all of that together and then encountering Miya's unique scent, she would seem to be at least like a very big boss - if he had any familiarity with console or computer games. His challenge to her was also contained uncertainties.

In Flight Chapter 6: Sixth Wing said:
"In fact, I can tell a lot about things that aren't human. I can feel them from some distance, depending on how powerful they are. I can tell that there's definitely one more Sekirei here. And I can tell that whatever you are, you're not quite Sekirei, and definitely not human."

"Oh? That's a bold thing to say," the landlady said softly, still not reacting.
A person who has never seen a body builder or heard of such a concept before might also say, "you're not quite human," when encountering one for the first time.
 

Gatorade

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Wouldn't Miya be more like a Bonus Boss? Like EXTRA Stage or something like that.
 
I suspect she's on par with Gilgamesh. A Gilgamesh being serious. With no shirt on. :p
 
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