Nasuverse Fate/time loop

Liam-don

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The only reason Servants accept to serve humans is because of the chance to get the Grail, without that sort of reward, they'd laugh at your face. The command seals are yet another type of sorcery, one Shirou has no talent in. I guess you could say he's summon thm as Counter Guardian to bypass the problem entirely, but seriously, in what situation would he need that sort of power?
 

MastaofBitches

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One where he feels like showing off?
 

Liam-don

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Meh, the ability to spam Gae Bolg, Ea and the jeweled sword already make him absurdly powerful, and that's not even taking into account the other weapons he might have encoutered in his travels.
 

grant

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Liam-don said:
Meh, the ability to spam Gae Bolg, Ea and the jeweled sword already make him absurdly powerful, and that's not even taking into account the other weapons he might have encoutered in his travels.
By all descriptions he can't comprehend Ea. As for the rest, the weapon itself is useless if he can't use it, and I'm not even sure if he can project a lance or spear.
 

mishie

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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the most common goal of the Servants in the Grail War saw to wish for a second chance at life which is something that Shirou can provide.

And for the other Servants, couldn't he just take advantage of the loops to find out what they want to wish for, find out if he can do it without the grail and if he can summon them and offer it in exchange for them allowing him to summon them.
 

MastaofBitches

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grant said:
Liam-don said:
Meh, the ability to spam Gae Bolg, Ea and the jeweled sword already make him absurdly powerful, and that's not even taking into account the other weapons he might have encoutered in his travels.
By all descriptions he can't comprehend Ea. As for the rest, the weapon itself is useless if he can't use it, and I'm not even sure if he can project a lance or spear.
If he's absorbing the magic circuits of other Shirou's, it's not to unlikely that's he's absorbed ones that use lances or spears instead of swords.
 

Liam-don

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grant said:
By all descriptions he can't comprehend Ea. As for the rest, the weapon itself is useless if he can't use it, and I'm not even sure if he can project a lance or spear.
Shirou can do spears just fine, just like he can do knives, axes or shields. Actually better than he can do shields. Shirou's considered the owner of the weapon he traces, which is why he can excaliblast. And yes, Archer has surpassed his limits time and time again during his looping which is why quite a few of his restrictions are gone.
 

Prince Charon

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mishie said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the most common goal of the Servants in the Grail War saw to wish for a second chance at life which is something that Shirou can provide.

And for the other Servants, couldn't he just take advantage of the loops to find out what they want to wish for, find out if he can do it without the grail and if he can summon them and offer it in exchange for them allowing him to summon them.
At that level of development, I'd say yes, he could, which was my point.

Thank you.
 

MastaofBitches

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The former Counter guardian glared hatefully at the man who stood before him, the man he had once been.

His one mistake in creating a paradox, he had doomed himself to an eternity of reliving the aftermath of the Grail War, now he had a chance to set things right.

He had assimilated the Magic circuits of over a thousand ShirouÆs, each with their own beliefs and moralities, each specializing in a different weapon.

The white haired man charged at him, speeds that would mere humans would find impossible to track.

But he was no mere human, and he had performed this move himself, once before.

A shield appeared and blocked the servants strike, the manÆs eyes widening in surprise, before moving to block the strike from the red haired youth.

A crimson spear materialized in the youthÆs hands, a perfect replica down to every detail, a great benefit of an eternityÆs practice at his art.

None of his projections were anything less then perfect.

ôGße Bolg!!!ö The servantÆs eyes widened, even as he attempted to dodge.

But it was too late; the tip of the legendary spear pierced his chest, skewering his heart.

And as the world faded from view, a result of him creating a second paradox, he realized what he had just done, and he cursed the fates and whatever punishment they thought to give him.
 

grant

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Liam-don said:
grant said:
By all descriptions he can't comprehend Ea. As for the rest, the weapon itself is useless if he can't use it, and I'm not even sure if he can project a lance or spear.
Shirou can do spears just fine, just like he can do knives, axes or shields. Actually better than he can do shields. Shirou's considered the owner of the weapon he traces, which is why he can excaliblast. And yes, Archer has surpassed his limits time and time again during his looping which is why quite a few of his restrictions are gone.
To start we never once see him use spears even after the secret's out. Second (which was my main argument) even if he can trace the spear it doesn't matter. Gae Bolg isn't a weapon, it's a technique that Cu Culhainn had to learn it from Scathach. So it's a moot point.
 

datenchi

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i've been looking for a slayers loop but can't find one is it a perv member only thing?
 

Kai-

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grant said:
Liam-don said:
grant said:
By all descriptions he can't comprehend Ea. As for the rest, the weapon itself is useless if he can't use it, and I'm not even sure if he can project a lance or spear.
Shirou can do spears just fine, just like he can do knives, axes or shields. Actually better than he can do shields. Shirou's considered the owner of the weapon he traces, which is why he can excaliblast. And yes, Archer has surpassed his limits time and time again during his looping which is why quite a few of his restrictions are gone.
To start we never once see him use spears even after the secret's out. Second (which was my main argument) even if he can trace the spear it doesn't matter. Gae Bolg isn't a weapon, it's a technique that Cu Culhainn had to learn it from Scathach. So it's a moot point.
Gae Bolg is the name of the weapon and both techniques related to it.

The heart-piercing technique requires the lance Gae Bolg, so I'd expect that Shirou would be able to use it.

From the TM wiki

Furthermore, whenever replicating mystical objects such as Noble Phantasms, it is possible to faithfully copy their special abilities and any skill that its owner performed are available for use
 

grant

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That doesn't really make any sense but I do remember Shirou using one of Herakles techniques in HF.

@ datenchi: I'm not sure but I thought the perverted section was open to all. Also I don't recall a Slayers one.
 

firestorm

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grant said:
Liam-don said:
grant said:
By all descriptions he can't comprehend Ea. As for the rest, the weapon itself is useless if he can't use it, and I'm not even sure if he can project a lance or spear.
Shirou can do spears just fine, just like he can do knives, axes or shields. Actually better than he can do shields. Shirou's considered the owner of the weapon he traces, which is why he can excaliblast. And yes, Archer has surpassed his limits time and time again during his looping which is why quite a few of his restrictions are gone.
To start we never once see him use spears even after the secret's out. Second (which was my main argument) even if he can trace the spear it doesn't matter. Gae Bolg isn't a weapon, it's a technique that Cu Culhainn had to learn it from Scathach. So it's a moot point.
But it's part of the legend of the weapon at this point, just as Excaliblasts are inherently part of Saber's Noble Phantasm.
 

ssokolow

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grant said:
That doesn't really make any sense but I do remember Shirou using one of Herakles techniques in HF.

@ datenchi: I'm not sure but I thought the perverted section was open to all. Also I don't recall a Slayers one.
Some areas (eg. The movies section where the Star Wars thread is) require "Perverted Member" status when they shouldn't.

As for Slayers, as far as I know, they don't have a loop of their own because L-sama is outside the whole Yggdrasil mess. Lina just shows up every so often in other peoples' loops because L-sama finds it entertaining.
 

MastaofBitches

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If you want Slayers loops, go write them, despite what everyone here will tell you, the loops are not a canon seres, there is no "plot" they are not connected in anyway, unless you want them to be.

I already went and created a second loops thread for the Naruto fandom simply because I got sick of all the Ranma wank that inevitably comes from including a series in Innortals loop.
 

MastaofBitches

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Throwing Kansh? and Bakuya at the advancing enemy, EMIYA attempted to quickly read the situation.

Matou Shinji was laying bleeding, hand on the summoning circle, which contained the Jewel he had most likely stolen from RinÆs home.

He had half a mind to break of the contract just for that, but given the current situation he would hold of on it for awhile.

ôItÆs just a little cleaning Onii-Sama, out with the old blood, in with the new.ö An oddly demented looking Sakura called, while the Pink haired Rider launched a second assault.

Tracing Arondight, the sword of Lancelot he had managed to copy during a brief loop in during 4th war, he cut through Riders chains, and managed cut a great deal of fabric from her clothing, but not drawing any significant blood.

Not to say the attack had been wasted, as the upper portion of Riders torso was now in view, so was the set of breasts she was trying desperately to cover.

Grinning to himself, and thanking the Throne of Heroes for the Photographic memory it granted, Archer took great care in committing the sight to memory before dismissing his sword, and summoning Kansh? and Bakuya a second time, he attempted to finish the short scuffle off, only to be forced to dodge a Gandr shot fired from the previously neglected Sakura.

ôLooks like IÆve been summoned by a pretty troublesome Master.ö Archer managed to comment, before grabbing the, now probably dying of blood loss, Matou and making a hasty retreat.
 
grant said:
That doesn't really make any sense but I do remember Shirou using one of Herakles techniques in HF.
Shirou's tracing alows him to duplicate everything about any weapon he has seen. The shape, the powers, abd the History. The former is what allows him to use techniques of the weapons and how to use them. He isn't limited to just swords but tracing anything else is a huge whaste of prana due to inefficiency. He is also limited by the fact that the mana drain is from himself, so if even if he traced something uber powerful he wouldn't be able to use it if it cost more prana to activate than he is capable of charging it with. For the Ea thing he is also limited in that he can only trace things that are made of materials that excist in the world and ea is divine. he isto puzzle out what it can do though.
 

sworded

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Well, Looping!Shirou would most likely invest serious effort into aquireing an item that uses the 2nd Magic, like the Jeweled Sword, to provide him with the prana influx needed to pull greater feats.

Experimenting with mage crests would also be another top consideration as figuring out how to implant more mage ciruits would be highly useful.
 

Aarik

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sworded said:
Well, Looping!Shirou would most likely invest serious effort into aquireing an item that uses the 2nd Magic, like the Jeweled Sword, to provide him with the prana influx needed to pull greater feats.

Experimenting with mage crests would also be another top consideration as figuring out how to implant more mage ciruits would be highly useful.
If I remember correctly, the Emiya family crest is currently split into two pieces, 80% on a Vampire corpse that the church is holding and 20% on Kiritsugu's corpse.

The Emiya Crest/Families (one of those two.), specialty is time magic, called Innate Time Control.
 

MastaofBitches

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So, how could Looping!Shirou steal all 100% of the magic crest?
 

MastaofBitches

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Wait, the crest stops time right? He's not gonna use it to peek in the girls changing rooms is he?
 

Aarik

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MastaofBitches said:
Wait, the crest stops time right? He's not gonna use it to peek in the girls changing rooms is he?
The Emiya skills are basically the various FF time spells.

Stop, Haste and Slow, also, they apparently stack, the Haste equivalent is called Accel (I think), and you can make yourself go faster and faster by stacking it on itself.

Kiritsugu could only stack it three times at most, and even then, only because he had Avalon because the strain of the universe undoing the spell when it wore off kept fucking him up, so he had Hastega, but it does recoil damage.

But then, Kiritsugu only had 20% of the crest, getting all of it might help.

He'll have to break into the church's coffers though.
 

MastaofBitches

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I don't think Shirou will care too much.
 
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