Nasuverse Fate/time loop
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Here's one: Shirou's experiencing the game. Not the Tiger Dojo's, but every DEAD END and BAD END. He'd make his way through most of Fate, then accidentally sets off part of UBW or HF.
And he keeps his Tracings from each route. Come time when he stumbles upon Lancer and Archer duking it out, he takes Gae Bolg to the chest, but returns the favor.
Or getting Illya to set Berserker on him by automatically saying hi to her when she passes him on the street. DEAD END, unless he's fast enough. Or has Nine Lives already...
Finally he gets sick and tired of all of this and decides to go after the principles right off the bat: Kotomine, Gil and Zouken. I doubt Kotomine could survive a smashing from Nine Lives, and Gil has a natural counter in the form of UBW. Zouken however might be tough. Rule Breaker? Excaliblast?
And he keeps his Tracings from each route. Come time when he stumbles upon Lancer and Archer duking it out, he takes Gae Bolg to the chest, but returns the favor.
Or getting Illya to set Berserker on him by automatically saying hi to her when she passes him on the street. DEAD END, unless he's fast enough. Or has Nine Lives already...
Finally he gets sick and tired of all of this and decides to go after the principles right off the bat: Kotomine, Gil and Zouken. I doubt Kotomine could survive a smashing from Nine Lives, and Gil has a natural counter in the form of UBW. Zouken however might be tough. Rule Breaker? Excaliblast?
He could probably blow the entire house up while Shinji and Sakura are at school, but the bastard is damn resilient, and he'd have to stab Sakura in the chest to Rule Breaker his soul worm. Not to mention he'd probably need Kotomine to get rid of all the normal ones.
Zouken would take a Xanatos Gambit to reliably get rid of. The guy's not very impressive, but he knows how to stay alive.
Zouken would take a Xanatos Gambit to reliably get rid of. The guy's not very impressive, but he knows how to stay alive.
Huh. That could make for an interesting arc: Shiro trying to figure out how to kill Zouken for good. Something like:
Route 1: When in doubt, superior force is the way to go! Call in sick, get Saber, trace Excalibur and EXCALIBURAAAAAASTOOOOOOOOO the block.
Problem is, three days later Zouken possesses Sakura and returns the favor. DEAD END.
Route 2: Rule Breaker! When overwhelming force fails, smarts and cleverness is the way to go. One little jab and Zouken is done for.
Except, he isn't. Maybe his soul returns to his body, thus alerting him to the fact that someone's on to him. While Shirou's distracted by Sakura's horror that he knows so much about her, Zouken sends more worms to recapture Sakura and eliminate Shirou. The battle goes badly because Shirou has to defend against the worms and keep Sakura safe.
Unfortunately, Shirou sucks at escort missions. BAD END.
Route 3: Gang up on Zouken. Forge an alliance with Kotomine or Illya and go after the bastard. Berserker's ridiculousness means that Zouken will be distracted physically, giving Shirou and whoever he takes with him the chance to nuke the worms.
Problem is, Sakura's still infected. Zouken kills her or hitches a ride on her body soul, thus leading to eventual BAD END.
Or something. >.> Got a suggestion on how to kill him for good?
Route 1: When in doubt, superior force is the way to go! Call in sick, get Saber, trace Excalibur and EXCALIBURAAAAAASTOOOOOOOOO the block.
Problem is, three days later Zouken possesses Sakura and returns the favor. DEAD END.
Route 2: Rule Breaker! When overwhelming force fails, smarts and cleverness is the way to go. One little jab and Zouken is done for.
Except, he isn't. Maybe his soul returns to his body, thus alerting him to the fact that someone's on to him. While Shirou's distracted by Sakura's horror that he knows so much about her, Zouken sends more worms to recapture Sakura and eliminate Shirou. The battle goes badly because Shirou has to defend against the worms and keep Sakura safe.
Unfortunately, Shirou sucks at escort missions. BAD END.
Route 3: Gang up on Zouken. Forge an alliance with Kotomine or Illya and go after the bastard. Berserker's ridiculousness means that Zouken will be distracted physically, giving Shirou and whoever he takes with him the chance to nuke the worms.
Problem is, Sakura's still infected. Zouken kills her or hitches a ride on her body soul, thus leading to eventual BAD END.
Or something. >.> Got a suggestion on how to kill him for good?
zeebee gave me an idea there: Shirou decides that people should die when they're killed, so sets up a situation where Zouken will try to possess HIM immediately before Shirou drinks of the Grail.
He wakes up in horrific crippling pain and spends the entirety of that timeline sick as his soul tries to unwarp itself, with Sakura taking care of him until either Shinji or Illya breaks in and has their Servant kill Shirou. And it's a release; the next loop the pain is lessened. Slightly.
And Zouken might be one of the few people immune to the damned Eyes given that his soul is in a different body. But that's an entirely different can of H4x, so let's not go there.
He wakes up in horrific crippling pain and spends the entirety of that timeline sick as his soul tries to unwarp itself, with Sakura taking care of him until either Shinji or Illya breaks in and has their Servant kill Shirou. And it's a release; the next loop the pain is lessened. Slightly.
And Zouken might be one of the few people immune to the damned Eyes given that his soul is in a different body. But that's an entirely different can of H4x, so let's not go there.
A homonculus? Not a bad idea; problem is finding someone capable of crafting one and transferring the soul. Only reason Shirou got his was because of Illya literally being a god-like Power (capital totally intended) at that point in time, and that the body she was giving him had been her own body.
I understand the process would be... MUCH more difficult, if not damn near impossible, without those particular qualifiers.
Do you remember what they suggested?
Why thank you. B)
I understand the process would be... MUCH more difficult, if not damn near impossible, without those particular qualifiers.
Do you remember what they suggested?
Why thank you. B)
I don't think she used her own body. In fact if I recall she tied his soul to something.
The doll body they got was made by Touko (though I can't remember whether they got it of her personally, I don't think they did), and she transfers her soul between her's pretty easily. It wasn't a homunculus, just a general body that changes itself to fit the soul that inhabits it (it still had issues though, like Shirou losing the use of his abilities).
I wouldn't know if they figured something out, as I quit after it got repetitive. Mike would know. I'm surprised he hasn't found his way here yet given the subject matter.
The doll body they got was made by Touko (though I can't remember whether they got it of her personally, I don't think they did), and she transfers her soul between her's pretty easily. It wasn't a homunculus, just a general body that changes itself to fit the soul that inhabits it (it still had issues though, like Shirou losing the use of his abilities).
I wouldn't know if they figured something out, as I quit after it got repetitive. Mike would know. I'm surprised he hasn't found his way here yet given the subject matter.
If it's an idea you want from me then, fine.
Here:
In this loop, Shirou doesn't summon.
Instead, he decides to take out his frustrations of the previous loop, out on the only people capable of taking the punishment he deals out.
The Servants.
Of course, this means that there will be another Master running around with a Saber class servant, and Shirou running around fighting any servant he comes across, usually coming out on top, if not unscratched.
Here:
In this loop, Shirou doesn't summon.
Instead, he decides to take out his frustrations of the previous loop, out on the only people capable of taking the punishment he deals out.
The Servants.
Of course, this means that there will be another Master running around with a Saber class servant, and Shirou running around fighting any servant he comes across, usually coming out on top, if not unscratched.
I don't think we ever came to a conclusive answer for how to get rid of him, although I'm pretty sure that there are ways. The MEoDP would work, if you got his soul worm (which is inside Sakura), you could indeed probably transfer her soul to a doll body like they did for Shirou in HF, you could probably seriously cripple (or even kill) him using Rule Breaker (and Zouken would be wary of taking her body because that will almost certainly result in his death), you could get the worms removed from her body somehow (like in HF) and then deal with the soul worm (the one in her heart) by finding some way to either stab it with Rule Breaker without killing her or to remove it (e.g. giving her a heart transplant, magical or otherwise...).
There are lots of possible ways to kill him (or, more generally, to free Sakura from his grasp), but none of them are certain to work. We simply don't know enough about how exactly he stays alive, what safeguards he has and how he would respond to a genuine attempt to free Sakura.
Did you really have to start trolling?
There are lots of possible ways to kill him (or, more generally, to free Sakura from his grasp), but none of them are certain to work. We simply don't know enough about how exactly he stays alive, what safeguards he has and how he would respond to a genuine attempt to free Sakura.
Did you really have to start trolling?
No, I guess I was just against the idea that the canon endings for HF are the best ends or most desireable ends for a looping Shirou to work towards as his past experience and knowledge of this dosen't end well would allow him to search for better than canon ends that hopefully end in less 'good' or 'inocent' people dieing or suffering.
Peace through superior firepower it is! Rule Breaker on Sakura+EXCALIBAAAAAA!!
EDIT: Discussions on how to administer justice aside, how would Shirou change through all of this? He'd lose the blind idealism of course, and get stupid amounts of Tracings, and learn tons about Fuyuki, Eirei, the Mage Association and so on, but to what degree? And wouldn't he decide to be an optimist, and try and save people, but for his own ideals rather than for borrowed ones?
EDIT: Discussions on how to administer justice aside, how would Shirou change through all of this? He'd lose the blind idealism of course, and get stupid amounts of Tracings, and learn tons about Fuyuki, Eirei, the Mage Association and so on, but to what degree? And wouldn't he decide to be an optimist, and try and save people, but for his own ideals rather than for borrowed ones?