Ranma ½ Frustration

[PCHeintz72]

Considering the directions his threads go in, that can be tough.? I think he is nicer than he has to be.

... oh I don't know, I kinda like it rough. ;p

Kidding aside, Ozz's writing does have themes in it that tend to form powderkegs in Ranma fanfiction: Ranma-chan, Ranma with an SI bent (degree is arguable), Pregnant Ranma, Ki vs Chakra dicotomy, extremely odd pairings, and the list goes on. He's used many themes that fans just tend to argue about. It's part of his style.

Some of his readers really shouldn't be as hostile as they are, but Ozz is throwing his had into the hottest part of the arena. I think that he's perfectly aware that he will get licked. The disclaimer he has up is mostly for the benefit of saving the more level-headed among us from self-inflicted misery.

That is no reason for arguments and 'discussions' to go 11+ screenfuls for 3 snippet updates to a prologue.

I call that deliberate undermining by the fanbase.

 

[Lawra]

That is no reason for arguments and 'discussions' to go 11+ screenfuls for 3 snippet updates to a prologue.

I call that deliberate undermining by the fanbase.

I call that a bunch of fanboys on both sides of the "issue", getting into each others way as they try to hump a doorknob.

 

[shiki]

You can call it what you wish. Ultimately, it was just wasting time and a big pissing match.

That's why after the I read the snip, decided that it wasn't my cup of tea despite liking his other works, I promptly left. I didn't have anything good to say, so i didn't say anything at all.

 

[SHINKIJIN]

That's why after the I read the snip, decided that it wasn't my cup of tea despite liking his other works, I promptly left. I didn't have anything good to say, so i didn't say anything at all.

That's a great policy to follow. Its one I've always tried to live up, tho it has been harder than I thought. The surprising thing is, the first time I've encountered that particular gem was on the Disney cartoon 'Bambi' >_<

God I feel old....

 

[Dumbledork]

That is no reason for arguments and 'discussions' to go 11+ screenfuls for 3 snippet updates to a prologue.

I call that deliberate undermining by the fanbase.

I call that a bunch of fanboys on both sides of the "issue", getting into each others way as they try to hump a doorknob.

Unrelated, but I like your new avatar.

 

[GenocideHeart]

That's why after the I read the snip, decided that it wasn't my cup of tea despite liking his other works, I promptly left. I didn't have anything good to say, so i didn't say anything at all.

That's a great policy to follow. Its one I've always tried to live up, tho it has been harder than I thought. The surprising thing is, the first time I've encountered that particular gem was on the Disney cartoon 'Bambi' >_<

God I feel old....

So, if a corrupt politician is about to become President of the United States, you can only say something good OR nothing at all about him?

I'm sure that will work out REALLY well. Let's all ignore shit until it covers us, shall we?

That policy sounds good in words, but is fucking terrible to follow in real life, because often complaining and saying bad things about something is the only way to keep even worse things from happening. That's what happens when you prefer to ignore bad things and hope they go away. Not only they don't, they bite you in the ass even harder. :headbanger:

 

[goldenarms]

Ironic, you're using a niche pairing to justify yourself here. And to be frank, most authors probably aren't writing for that audience in the first place.

...Ichigo/Grimmjaw is one of the top 3 pairings in Bleach's FF.net section, as well as over on Ficwad. Not niche at all.

...that's sad.

Truly, that's sad.

I was just assuming, since I've only read one Bleach fic, and that was only recent. Still, most authors aren't likely writing for that kind of audience, just girls who, for all intents and purposes are just doing to piss off guys.

Because quitting's far easier than getting off your ass and get better. The vast majority of people get into something primarily because they either think it'll make money, or because it's the quickest way to make a name for yourself. Once they find out it's not easy or quick, most want to give up, and that's fine. It suits them for trying to take shortcuts.

For people that are really in this because they want to be in it, there's nothing holding them down, and they're far more likely to grit their teeth and bear it. Eventually, they will push through to the other side. That's how big names start out. They just keep pushing and pushing, and pushing, not expecting a lot from the next thing they put down, till the wall suddenly gives way, dropping them in the middle of paradise.

It doesn't matter if nobody reads your fics.

Know why?

Because you can't get better if no one reviews to tell you what you are doing wrong.

If there's no reviewers, it's hopeless. Reviews are NEEDED to better yourself, and they have to be constructive ones, but when nobody reviews because they are all wanking over a popular fandom's latest super-cliched harem/yaoi/uberedmain story in (insert popular fandom here), then you can't get better because there's no one there to TELL you what's wrong with your fic. They are all too busy fapping at the same tired old beaten horse and thinking 'dur, caveman liek cliched unoriginal fic number 2647369169161126'. Mob mentality at its finest.

Crudely put, I'll admit, but true nonetheless.

The only way to get reviewers nowadays if you aren't writing for a popular fandom/lack competent friends to bounce it off of, is to shove your crap down their throats. I pretty much would have to hunt down potential reviewers, link them to my fics repeatedly and basically yell at them "OPEN YOUR EYES AND STOP STARING AT YOUR DICKS! I REALLY, REALLY NEED INPUT ON THIS ONE TO GET BETTER! READ IT! READ IT! READ IT! READ IT! READ IT! READ IT! READ IT! I CAN'T GET BETTER IF NOBODY CRITICIZES ME! READ THE FUCKING FIC!".

So yeah... you either write for popular fandoms or you are going to have to go through hell just to GET criticism, let alone worthwhile one.

Try writing for Hollywood sometime, then get back to me on how hard it is to get read.

Seriously.

You need reviews about as much as you need to pierce your dick. You have to literally hunt down your betterment instead of wishing and praying for that one magical comment that would turn your entire life around. No one said this was easy. Few things worth doing rarely are. So, if you're not getting the reviews, just bang on every beta door and link up with every possible avenue. And when you exhaust those, find some new ones. Writing a series like Kure-Nai, where no one's heard of it? Familiarize them with it. Hype the shit out of it. Pass them scanlations. Torrent links. Whatever gets the job done. Then move on to the next guy. The next girl. Whoever will give you the time of day, make it into an opportunity.

Get your name on their lips, and let them spread you around. Let them talk about something you did, so make certain you're knocking your dick into the floor with every word. The best shit you can possibly pull out of you, and I mean the absolute best. You're going to be digging deeper than you've ever gone before, and the next word will be deeper still.

As I said, you don't need reviews; that's just a by-product of how popular (or hated) your work is.

 

[GenocideHeart]

For me reviews are a way to get criticism and feedback, not a way to stroke my e-cock. I value harsh criticism a lot more than asskissing. I have little to no use for reviews like 'good fic' and 'moar'. When I find a new review, I expect people to point out ANYTHING they felt was off, not suck up to me.

Basically, I expect critics, not reviewers. I have few ways outside of TFF to get feedback and comments on my fic ideas. Why, just recently I practically pestered Trev until he game me his AIM addy, just to get more input regarding my SRW fic. Unfortunately, finding people familiar with SRW is practically impossible outside of the hardcore fanbase. It requires knowledge of not only several games, but also a couple dozen anime series they take material from - it's a gigantic fandom that makes people feel small when they look at it, and trying to hype it will usually scare people off.

In fact, you know what. If you are a SRW fan, bugger over to the SRW section here on TFF and fucking read my most recent topic. I could really fucking use some criticism atm, since only Trev consistently contributes, and he's a bit biased, being on a Super Robot high recently.

Seriously, I'm getting a bit desperate to have feedback even on the basic idea, let alone write more. I first need to make sure my basic groundwork is OK; then work on the prologue, then the overarching plot... and frankly, I CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT CRITICS. So help me, willya? If you are willing to waste two years of your life getting acquainted with Super Robot Wars and the anime its material originates from, even better!

/unreasonable request to make a point
:sweat2:

 

[ToastedPine]

Out of curiosity, is there an original fiction writing group that's comparable in size and activity as TFF?

 

[GenocideHeart]

Out of curiosity, is there an original fiction writing group that's comparable in size and activity as TFF?

I honestly don't think so.

 

[Lost Star]

It is kinda cool that this sight has gotten so big, and from what I can tell just from word of mouth.

 

[shiki]

That's why after the I read the snip, decided that it wasn't my cup of tea despite liking his other works, I promptly left. I didn't have anything good to say, so i didn't say anything at all.

That's a great policy to follow. Its one I've always tried to live up, tho it has been harder than I thought. The surprising thing is, the first time I've encountered that particular gem was on the Disney cartoon 'Bambi' >_<

God I feel old....

So, if a corrupt politician is about to become President of the United States, you can only say something good OR nothing at all about him?

I'm sure that will work out REALLY well. Let's all ignore shit until it covers us, shall we?

That policy sounds good in words, but is fucking terrible to follow in real life, because often complaining and saying bad things about something is the only way to keep even worse things from happening. That's what happens when you prefer to ignore bad things and hope they go away. Not only they don't, they bite you in the ass even harder. :headbanger:

I agree with you GH. I never said that I never speak up.
I only meant that I only do this when I trying to be polite. In RL, I am one of the most confrontational people about political issues. Heck, I even ruined a relationship because I didn't agree with my friend's stand on abortion.
I'm just saying that its pointless to agree on an issue when it is obvious that no one will back down on.
Reviews that are polite and helpful are cool, but reviews that are straight out attacking an author is rather... boorish.
It is better to use honey than vinger... or however the hell the saying goes.

 

[PCHeintz72]

It is kinda cool that this sight has gotten so big, and from what I can tell just from word of mouth.

Yeah... but a recent check I did showed 72% of the entire membership of this forum has yet to contribute even so much as 1 post. And a large portion of the remaining 28% only have a few posts to their name.

Then there are the annoying memebers that make pointless threads and are little more than flammers.

Size is not everything.

 

[Nodregah]

large portion of the remaining 28% only have a few posts to their name.

I will say that I am part of that large portion. I only try (I emphasize try) to review those fics that I have enjoyed and ignore those that I do not like. I realize that I am not that great at articulating my thoughts, in writing or in speech. This also leads to me not posting. If I cannot make a coherent post, what right do I have to correct someone else. There are many fics I await updates on, but am unable to type how much I enjoyed it to show this fact.

 

[Luthorne]

Ironic, you're using a niche pairing to justify yourself here. And to be frank, most authors probably aren't writing for that audience in the first place.

...Ichigo/Grimmjaw is one of the top 3 pairings in Bleach's FF.net section, as well as over on Ficwad. Not niche at all.

...that's sad.

Truly, that's sad.

I was just assuming, since I've only read one Bleach fic, and that was only recent. Still, most authors aren't likely writing for that kind of audience, just girls who, for all intents and purposes are just doing to piss off guys.

Still, most authors aren't likely writing for that kind of audience, just girls who, for all intents and purposes are just doing to piss off guys.

Wow. The baffling egocentrism required to believe that an entire category of fanfiction is being generated for the sole purpose of trolling male fanfiction readers astounds me. Bravo, sirrah, you have expanded my worldview. :sisi:

 

[PCHeintz72]

large portion of the remaining 28% only have a few posts to their name.

I will say that I am part of that large portion. I only try (I emphasize try) to review those fics that I have enjoyed and ignore those that I do not like. I realize that I am not that great at articulating my thoughts, in writing or in speech. This also leads to me not posting. If I cannot make a coherent post, what right do I have to correct someone else. There are many fics I await updates on, but am unable to type how much I enjoyed it to show this fact.

I would not overly worry... even with all the members we have here, you, with only 51 posts, still rank around 850... or around in the top 10%.

Only some 645 people have 100+ posts
Only some 102 people have 1000+ posts
Only some 15 people have 5000+ posts

EDIT: Sadly... some of those with moderate posts counts got them by creating nonsense junk threads... such as the worthless 'Can TFF Count To 20?' thread currently clogging the General Section.

 

[unclekai]

So, if a corrupt politician is about to become President of the United States, you can only say something good OR nothing at all about him?á


I'm sure that will work out REALLY well. Let's all ignore shit until it covers us, shall we?

Yes. Because you propose a flood of reviews that is also unhelpful. What you want is the old style C&C (critique & comments) that was common on the FFML. That takes time. Time is money. So I delegate my time on Stories I found worth spending it.

That policy sounds good in words, but is fucking terrible to follow in real life, because often complaining and saying bad things about something is the only way to keep even worse things from happening. That's what happens when you prefer to ignore bad things and hope they go away. Not only they don't, they bite you in the ass even harder.á :headbanger:

I Ignore stuff that isn't important. Like bad TV programs, bad magazines, etc. There are always people who like bad stuff. Bad stories are like that too.

Simply as that. Fics that don't interest me are unimportant for me and are no danger to anyone (to come back to that strange President analogy). If I find a bad Fic that does catch my interest (good plot/idea, bad execution) I may leave C&C.

But if I can't leave more than a "you suck" I will refrain from posting such a review. I have my standards.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Telling people that their fic sucks also helps, especially when it's so bad it REALLY isn't salvageable. By not reviewing even in those cases, you are leaving free reign to the asskissers, who will kiss the fail writer's ass hard enough to convince him he's good and prompt him to vomit out even more filth, making the situation ever worse.

Sometimes, being cruel is necessary. Sad as it may be, some people don't get the hint until you punch them with it.

And some fics deserve the hurtful words. Case in point.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1017864/1/i_ne..._to_do_with_fic

So yeah...

 

[SimmyC]

That is a difference between criticizing a President (or Governor, Mayor, etc. who can directly effect your life through the laws that he/she signs) and reviewing (or not reviewing) a story. The first could make your life a living Hell if he passes a law that can go against you, a bad story... is just there. Ignoring it isn't going to effect me one iota.

Now, it could be like if a bad show is on TV. I might be annoyed that it would be popular, but for the most part, no skin off my back. Some network putting money and time to put that show on the air, it ain't my money or time. And if some fool out there finds it entertaining enough to watch it, good for him. Otherwise, I'll just move onto 'good' shows and support those as best as I can (which, for a TV, is simply watching to help the ratings). Even if the latter gets canned, darn. Then I'll look for another show to watch instead.

After all, bitching about yaoi fanfics to yaoi writers will get you no where. The only way to counter them is to support good stories. Not asskiss if they have mistakes in them or find something that was off, but if they wrote a good story, throw a review their way.

[edit]And yes, saying your fic sucks to some people will work. There are times, like GH said, that if you have to say something because it's bad, you say it. But I'll emphasis, SOME people. The problem, especially for the yaoi fanfic writers with their legion of fans, one 'you suck' will be lost, and will only result in your ass being flamed.

 

[ar_ranma]

Most fanfiction amounts to spam. Shame they haven't invented a good filter for it yet.

Hating on it, commenting on, or other wise paying it any attention is a bad thing.

It's like clicking on a penile shrinkage ad and giving your approval. Why would you even click on some of those fics?

The authors just dump a fic there and if it gets enough hits/reviews they post another one. They don't even read the reviews anyway.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Unfortunately, some fanfics are very good at luring you in and then blindsiding you with their badness.

Two words:

SURPRISE YAOI.

Usually unmarked and explicit too.

I'm sorry, but that deserves to be killed with fire. Sadly, not ENOUGH people tell the morons who do that to go get castrated for not using tags. So said morons think it's OK and keep posting unmarked yaoi, or God forbid, CONVINCE OTHERS IT'S OK TO DO SO.

And all of this why? Because they weren't punished when they fucked up.

There's a reason why adults must discipline unruly children. Ignoring the bad shit they do doesn't make them behave better, it just encourages them.

 

[ar_ranma]

I'm kinda too used to that already to get upset about it.

Suddenly hollow mask!
Hay guys I learnded Shunpo.
Sailor Moon in Ranma.
Wut? trap!Haku. (it was kinda... :unsure!: )
Harem.
Kage bunshin out of nowhere. Naruto version on top of it.
Surprise buttseks.
Sudden Slayers magic.


The futa doujin take the cake though. Always, always, always lift skirt :spoing:.

Guess I'm already too far gone.

 

[ToastedPine]

Since people are complaining about bad reviews, I decided to look up one of the most definitive Ranma reviewers of all time. Sort of something that we could aim for in our own ways. Here's an entry from Taleswapper's web page.

ll Met by Starlight parts 1-10 by Susan Doenime and Mike Loader

Am I supposed to be cheering for the villain? Because, hesitantly, guiltily, I am. This curious allegiance likely arises from my own perversity, but I prefer to blame Doenime's and Loader's art. For the authors have crafted a Ranma who clearly has much evil in his soul. But he is sufficiently conflicted to inspire some sympathy, and more importantly, he is so consistently fascinating that I will miss him greatly after his final defeat, if there is one. Weak moments in Ranma's characterization are rare. In fact, despite its extravagantly suspenseful story and its wealth of gee-whiz alternate reality features, IMBS succeeds most notably as a character drama starring the redefined Ranma, Akane, Nabiki, Shampoo, and Ukyou. Supporting characters such as Kunou, the Hibikis, and Kasumi are richly textured, but definitely overshadowed by the five principals.

The "charming psychopath" in motion pictures, for me, has become tiresome; too many derivatives of Nicholson's Joker or Hopkins' Hannibal Lechter crowd the screens. Yet until IMBS, this stock character was not well exploited in Ranma fanfic. Doenime and Loader have given the devil more than his due with their remake of Saotome Ranma. Their deliciously wicked protagonist entertains me with the spirit, if not the intent, of dark humor. His flippant assault on Nabiki, his phenomenal ability to conceive the only threat that could intimidate Tsen Wu, his constructive ruthlessness in training Akane, his startling intrusion into the electronic chat session: such moments endear IMBS's Ranma to my own dark side.

Moreover, many of the things that make Ranma a most effective enemy mark him as much more interesting than the manga Saotome Ranma. Along with his honor and scruples, the IMBS authors excised from Takahashi's Ranma many of his more annoying shortcomings, replacing them with the strengths required for a most worthwhile villain. Forceful decisiveness displaces waffling ambivalence. A crafty economy with words supplants thoughtless bombast. And even though all his heartfelt disclosures may turn out to be deceptions, this Ranma's emotional candor far exceeds the original's. Evil shouldn't look this good.

I probably won't stop loving evil Ranma until Akane does. Preferring to believe that IMBS's Akane is not as deluded as she seems, I trust her judgment that something in Ranma is worth defending. Perhaps we're both wrong; perhaps Akane suffers some kind of 1990's codependency disorder. But in this milieu of killers and would-be killers, Akane gives us someone innocent to root for. While Ranma may not deserve Akane's affections, her attempts to cultivate a relationship with him warm the heart, even amid the chilling surroundings of IMBS. Always-impending violence and treachery fade away during the well-scripted tease scenes in which romantic progress seems imminent, until something - such as Ranma's as-yet-unexplained aversion to intimacy - ruins the moments. Their touching rapprochement in the hospital transforms IMBS, for an instant, into a genuine and beautiful romance.

Nabiki's best moments, on the other hand, transform the fic into a taut, suspenseful thriller. Like a chess player attempting to isolate the opposing king, Nabiki manipulates people and events to combat Ranma more effectively than his more physically intimidating enemies can. Supplementing her brains-over-brawn appeal, IMBS's Nabiki embodies intriguing paradoxes that delight over-analyzers like me. Contrast, for example, her outward aloofness from family against her emotional honesty with strangers. Another one to ponder: Is Nabiki guilty of the same sort of indecent possessiveness toward Akane ("No-one touches her without my permission.") that she despises in Ranma? That Nabiki's constitution inspires such reflection attests to the power of Doenime's and Loader's character development. The authors bring into play various and trenchant devices to portray Nabiki's enigmatic complex of motivations, emotions, and introspections. And I just eat it up.

Grim-warrior Shampoo has always held great appeal for me, as difficult as it is to reconcile the happy, vivacious Shampoo with a character of great depth. Doenime and Loader expand on this common fanfic interpretation of Shampoo with a most imaginative back story. An engrossing and believable modification of the Joketsuzoku ethic links her fate to Ranma's. The dual life-changing traumas resulting from her encounter with Ranma add both pathos and humorous potential to Shampoo's redefined character. Most importantly for me, Shampoo's background features the coolest Cologne I've ever read.

The IMBS Ukyou reminds me of her incarnation from Tales of Ranma & Nabiki. As the most reasonable and objective character in each fanfic, she has the ability to sympathize with all the major players, as well as the moral authority to tell them when they're wrong. So empowered, Ukyou becomes the Everyman, so her thoughts and reactions carry special weight. Moreover, she is armed with the knowledge of Ranma's tragic history beaten out of Genma. She also knows what it's like to be in love with the protagonist/villain. This combination of strengths qualifies Ukyou, more than any other character, to "cure" Ranma. Or to kill him.

IMBS boasts a mesmerizing plot, occasional innovations in staging, and superior - if uneven - writing style. But it is masterful character-craft that elevates the fanfic above most others and distinguishes its story as the most compelling alternate reality in Ranma fan fiction.

Download Ill Met by Starlight from the Transpacific Fanfiction.
Autumn and Spring by "Angus MacSpon"

What a ride. One of the smartest, most inventive and most riveting of all Ranma fics, A&S thrills and astonishes like no other story in the archive. MacSpon's enormously original plot would likely have been enough to hold my rapt attention, but to the eye-popping story he applies shrewd dramatic timing, expressive prose, and some interesting stylistic experimentation. The result is like riding a very long roller coaster blindfolded.

That A&S is a quest-type adventure story surprised me more than any secret Ukyou reveals up to the point when she uncovers the nature of her decade-long project. Ranma's melancholy introspection and Ukyou's secretiveness seem to set us up for a tale of emotional catharsis. Then, for the first time of many, MacSpon pulls the floor out from under us. While the Ranma-Ukyou romance is no red herring, it - and we - are suddenly overwhelmed by the brilliant and chilling revelation of the mystery surrounding Shampoo's fate.

I use the descriptor "chilling" very literally. Nothing in Ranma fanfic has unnerved me more than the review of Ukyou's video evidence. Ranma's horror in that scene is palpable, eliciting sympathetic tingles up my spine. MacSpon's tight prose establishes a suffocating atmosphere of growing dread, like the eerie soundtrack from a horror movie as the victim descends stairs to a dark cellar. Most remarkably, the goose bumps actually increased when I re-read A&S: knowing the destination made Ranma's hellish journey of discovery all the more macabre. Such staying power is rare, even in the best published fiction.

Like his plot, MacSpon's writing shines with professional lustre. Especially polished are the dialogues, internal and external, which are essential for clarifying the many complicated ideas underlying the story. Some of A&S's most complex passages depict Ranma's musings and deliberations: the results have uneven artistic success, but are consistently effective in sketching the contours of Ranma's character. At the peak of the fight scene, MacSpon employs an innovative combination of devices to convey the unimaginable disorientation of Ranma's "injury" while simultaneously showing - in a minimalist fashion - what is occurring outside Ranma's limited field of perception. While such experimentation is generally fruitful, the writing in A&S is best when the author uses his simplest prose, allowing his natural expressiveness to carry the story and to evoke genuine emotions. This richly modest composition gives life to the romance which holds the fic together and enables it to rise above the intellectual level of a mere thrill ride.

Unlike a typical roller coaster, which fails to match the heart-pounding intensity of that first big drop with subsequent maneuvers, A&S careens with even greater force as the quest portion of the story proceeds. I actually counted the number of amazing twists between Ranma's arrival at the enemy's lair and the denouement; I found ten. Each surprise staggered me anew, each one inspired wonder at MacSpon's resourcefulness. This unrelenting onslaught of ingenious developments - grisly, exciting, touching, or just-plain-cool - creates impact that would resonate with even a veteran thrill-seeker.

Autumn and Spring may be retrieved fromt the Fanfic by Angus MacSpon web page.

 

[goldenarms]

Ironic, you're using a niche pairing to justify yourself here. And to be frank, most authors probably aren't writing for that audience in the first place.

...Ichigo/Grimmjaw is one of the top 3 pairings in Bleach's FF.net section, as well as over on Ficwad. Not niche at all.

...that's sad.

Truly, that's sad.

I was just assuming, since I've only read one Bleach fic, and that was only recent. Still, most authors aren't likely writing for that kind of audience, just girls who, for all intents and purposes are just doing to piss off guys.

Still, most authors aren't likely writing for that kind of audience, just girls who, for all intents and purposes are just doing to piss off guys.

Wow. The baffling egocentrism required to believe that an entire category of fanfiction is being generated for the sole purpose of trolling male fanfiction readers astounds me. Bravo, sirrah, you have expanded my worldview. :sisi:

I seek to enlighten. :sisi:

On a serious note, yaoi girls are basically smacking it in the face of people that don't like it. They think it's funny that such people are "homophobic" and so easily irked about it. One thing that I discovered, though is taking their yaoiness and basically inverting it so that one of the prefered pairs is a girl pisses them off to no end.

Well, "pissing them off to no end" is kind of light; I mean, "turn into towering infernos of boiling rage."

They like to envision one of them as a girl, but tampering with it so that one of them is caused at least two of the yaoi fans I sought to understand the appeal of said subject from to froth at the mouth in a frenzied rampage to destroy the notion. I didn't hang around on that board long enough to see the complete fallout, but it was enlightening.

And a bit surprising. Women are just as hypocritical as men, if not moreso, believe that.

EDIT: On the C+C vs Reviews thing, completely agree. The FFML was all about help. Fanfiction.net was for publication, a cheap way of putting up your stuff without the hassles of making a webpage. I remember one time I simul-posted a story on both after just putting it down on the FFML, and getting bitched out for it. There was a clear distinction back then. Now, we're kind of expecting help from reviews instead of starting up another mailing list for that sort of thing.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Well, "pissing them off to no end" is kind of light; I mean, "turn into towering infernos of boiling rage."

I can see that, though that scenario never occured to me. Closest in real life I can think of was angering a RDDF (my own term for someone whom is a Rabid David Ducovney Fan) by merely mentioning he looks like John Ritter. She gave me dirty looks for weeks, and that was after being nice and chewing my head off and explaining how no way were they even remotely the same.

So, that was at a mere idle comment made in a break room... doing something like you describe to the character, would likely have her gathering her friends and hunting me down with pitchforks.