50% chance of survival is part of the attack? Or is it that stupid fluff they add to the attacks that never amount to much. Kinda like Tankdramon having massive AOE with his bomb that I don't buy, or the constant statements that 'nothing can survive this attack' that you find in a lot of bios. I learned not to take those particularly seriously.
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(Note that if you have 500 hit points and an attack only does 499 damage, it is non-lethal.)
Also, what do you find hard to believe about Tankdramon? He has a nuclear weapon that blows up everything in a 30 km radius. So what? Lucemon kicked a moon so hard it blew up two other moons. Seraphimon can create a Big Bang. Ebemon oneshots planets. The list goes on and on. Tankdramon is not that impressive and he does have a nuclear warhead.
(Note that if you have 500 hit points and an attack only does 499 damage, it is non-lethal.)
Also, what do you find hard to believe about Tankdramon? He has a nuclear weapon that blows up everything in a 30 km radius. So what? Lucemon kicked a moon so hard it blew up two other moons. Seraphimon can create a Big Bang. Ebemon oneshots planets. The list goes on and on. Tankdramon is not that impressive and he does have a nuclear warhead.
Lucemon and Susanoomon are pretty much top teir. Their doing absurd stuff is perfectly fine. I have issues with a basic perfect level having absolutely absurd AOE however. Never heard the Ebemon one either, so not sold on that one in the first place.
That said a 50/50 shot for annihilation sounds pretty absurd in itself. Then again if you have half a brain the attack is laughably easy to see coming and dodge.
That said a 50/50 shot for annihilation sounds pretty absurd in itself. Then again if you have half a brain the attack is laughably easy to see coming and dodge.
:huh:
A basic Perfect is a City buster. Some Perfects would take longer to destroy a city then others. Tankdramon, the riot-suppression and assault-extermination of the D-Brigade, is on the 'fast' side, in his ability to one shot a city. But Digimon like Tankdramon aren't new. MetalGreymon, one of the first Perfect Digimon ever, was Nuclear Warhead level.
Hell, even unimpressive Adults are dangerous; at least city block level and probably higher. Remember Guardromon vs. the D-Reaper? Remember the massive pillars of fire that extend high over buildings, which came from the tiny bombs he threw around casually? Yeah.
He's the evolved form of the guy who wanted Koushirou's brain.
At times like this, it should be remembered that Lucemon is, at bare minimum, massively hypersonic and possibly much faster. After all, if you go by Profiles, Beowulfmon is twice the speed of light. Dynasmon owned him and his evolved form repeatedly. KaiserGreymon went hand-to-hand with Dynasmon. Lucemon owned KaiserGreymon effortlessly (plus Beowulfmon's evolved form). But that's just taking into account profiles and applying them to the show.
However, even discarding the profiles, KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon were still lightning-timers and Dynasmon and Lordknightmon flew from the Digital World to the moon in a few minutes. Lucemon was massively faster then any of them.
A basic Perfect is a City buster. Some Perfects would take longer to destroy a city then others. Tankdramon, the riot-suppression and assault-extermination of the D-Brigade, is on the 'fast' side, in his ability to one shot a city. But Digimon like Tankdramon aren't new. MetalGreymon, one of the first Perfect Digimon ever, was Nuclear Warhead level.
Hell, even unimpressive Adults are dangerous; at least city block level and probably higher. Remember Guardromon vs. the D-Reaper? Remember the massive pillars of fire that extend high over buildings, which came from the tiny bombs he threw around casually? Yeah.
He's the evolved form of the guy who wanted Koushirou's brain.
At times like this, it should be remembered that Lucemon is, at bare minimum, massively hypersonic and possibly much faster. After all, if you go by Profiles, Beowulfmon is twice the speed of light. Dynasmon owned him and his evolved form repeatedly. KaiserGreymon went hand-to-hand with Dynasmon. Lucemon owned KaiserGreymon effortlessly (plus Beowulfmon's evolved form). But that's just taking into account profiles and applying them to the show.
However, even discarding the profiles, KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon were still lightning-timers and Dynasmon and Lordknightmon flew from the Digital World to the moon in a few minutes. Lucemon was massively faster then any of them.
If by city buster you mean given about half an hour you could decently wreck a city. Megadramon and Gigadramon, two very potent machine types took quite a while to wreck that big one the group was in even with support. That dude can do like five pretty close to each other in one go.
Also Lucemon can be fast all he wants, something which I agree with for the most part even if he seems to forget this at times. That attack however is slooooooow. Seriously, activation takes ages, implementation is obvious and easy to see coming, and to be perfectly honest rather easy to escape from assuming you can ignore the pain long enough to bust the hell out of the first part of it, as those two did via splitting admittedly.
Also Lucemon can be fast all he wants, something which I agree with for the most part even if he seems to forget this at times. That attack however is slooooooow. Seriously, activation takes ages, implementation is obvious and easy to see coming, and to be perfectly honest rather easy to escape from assuming you can ignore the pain long enough to bust the hell out of the first part of it, as those two did via splitting admittedly.
Like I said, some are more powerful then others. There's, like, a five or six year difference between when those two first came out and when Tankdramon did. Digimon have gotten more powerful. This is not new. And even hen, it was never said anywhere that Tankdramon was an average Perfect; rather, he's a perfect designed specifically for exterminating large numbers of enemies. Literally. That's what it says in his profile.
Two problems.
In episode 48 of 04, he did it twice and, granted, it was slow both times...because Lucemon did it slowly while taking time to gloat.
If you watch 49 where he uses it against Susanoomon, you'll see he can go a hell of a lot faster when he wants to.
Second of all, if Susanoomon couldn't escape that without splitting, then the list of people who can is gonna be really short.
Two problems.
In episode 48 of 04, he did it twice and, granted, it was slow both times...because Lucemon did it slowly while taking time to gloat.
If you watch 49 where he uses it against Susanoomon, you'll see he can go a hell of a lot faster when he wants to.
Second of all, if Susanoomon couldn't escape that without splitting, then the list of people who can is gonna be really short.
So that justifies having a tech with a range and damage potential most megas would have a hard time matching? While he might not be average for perfect, he's certainly not, like Astamon, noted as being anywhere near mega.
As I recall of my recent run through of the series (Edit: Checked, confirmed) dude got pwnt earlier and was pretty much struggling to move. Adding damage to that wasn't helping in escaping. Notably because of that getting the second ball in is the point where I would agree almost nothing could escape, but given already damaged humans can apparently survive the damage of the first, escaping that was what I was talking about. (Edit: Though honestly my memory was shot, as I recalled I thought they split before the full attack actually hit them, explaining why they were still good to go immediately after. However apparently they split when the full tech was active)
Edit: Technique was indeed faster there though by comparison... after he fired it. However it still wasn't remotely 'fast' by any means, and the chargeup before he could fire was both obvious and still pretty long in itself. To make matters worse, the AoE is smaller than I remembered. Had the dude like sidestepped that, which he apparently couldn't given he couldn't seem to get up for some reason, it would have missed.
To clarify, even that time the tech was still relatively slow, and just as awkward to use. Had he been able to move there was no reason that should have hit, provided he saw it coming.
As I recall of my recent run through of the series (Edit: Checked, confirmed) dude got pwnt earlier and was pretty much struggling to move. Adding damage to that wasn't helping in escaping. Notably because of that getting the second ball in is the point where I would agree almost nothing could escape, but given already damaged humans can apparently survive the damage of the first, escaping that was what I was talking about. (Edit: Though honestly my memory was shot, as I recalled I thought they split before the full attack actually hit them, explaining why they were still good to go immediately after. However apparently they split when the full tech was active)
Edit: Technique was indeed faster there though by comparison... after he fired it. However it still wasn't remotely 'fast' by any means, and the chargeup before he could fire was both obvious and still pretty long in itself. To make matters worse, the AoE is smaller than I remembered. Had the dude like sidestepped that, which he apparently couldn't given he couldn't seem to get up for some reason, it would have missed.
To clarify, even that time the tech was still relatively slow, and just as awkward to use. Had he been able to move there was no reason that should have hit, provided he saw it coming.
IIRC. I'm pretty sure the AoE of Dead or Alive can be adjusted. When Dead or Alive was used the first time, it was big enough to encompass five Digimon with plenty of room to spare. The second time it was used... it was only big enough to hit L÷wemon.
Also, Tankdramon was defeated by...GeoGreymon. Granted, that GeoGreymon was special and probably had the power of a Perfect, but still. I'm guessing that Tankdramon has pretty weak defenses (for a Perfect) despite being a tank.
Also, Tankdramon was defeated by...GeoGreymon. Granted, that GeoGreymon was special and probably had the power of a Perfect, but still. I'm guessing that Tankdramon has pretty weak defenses (for a Perfect) despite being a tank.
:huh:
Ultimates are not created anymore equal then Perfects, Adults, or Childs. MarinAngemon is pathetic, sure. But he's on one end of the scale. Ebemon can blow up planets.
To put that in perspective, if Tankdramon had, oh, a few hundred thousand of those nukes and directed all of the blast straight down, he could maybe move a planet. Like, maybe an inch or two. Ebemon can flatout vaporise it with his hand gun.
ZeedMilleniumon can destroy Universes. Seraphimon can destroy at least one. Imperialdramon throws around anti-matter. Crimson Mode flatout writes anyone who pisses him off out of existence.
Being a Perfect Level means you evolved frm an Adult Level. Being an Ultimate means you evolved from a Perfect. You seem to think this means that Digimon of te same level obey some sort of internally consistent power level. Stop doing that. It's all over the place. It's always been all over the place.
If you mean 'Lucemon hit him with a Paradise Lost (and not even a complete one; Susanoomon cut him off before the finisher) and then a few normal attacks (counting them; one force shove, two punches, and one kick) when that didn't work' then yes. Is there anything that would stop him from doing that to anyone he fought? It worked, by your own admission, on Susanoomon.
He's the combination of all the Legendary Warriors. Lucemon 'only' hit him with one (unsuccessful) Paradise Lost and a few normal hits.
What is this charge up you keep talking about? Lucemon calls out those two spheres and they appeared immediately.
He said, 'you are a thorn in my side' and the spheres appeared in his hands without him doing anything else. He gloated. Then, he threw the white one, which moved a lot faster then most of the attacks in 04 (including lightning bolts and laser beams, at times) and hit Susanoomon before he could react. He gloated some more ('But now you will die') and threw the black one.
The only charge time at any point in either Episode 48 or 49 was the time Lucemon took to gloat.
The sphere expands to a size apparently decided by what's it hits (or Lucemon, I guess). The first DoA he used swallowed up most of the Chosen, but against Susanoomon, he only needed to hit Susanoomon. If it missed, he could have just made it expand.
And didn't you just say Susanoomon couldn't move? Because Lucemon hit him with his (incomplete) Secondary Attack and four regular hits (which really just shows how strong Lucemon is). Though that's not really how it looked to me.
Not that it would have mattered. When watching anime, it's important to remember that things happen faster then they appear too. DoA moved faster then a lot attack. Including Lightning bolts. Why aren't these attacks shown to be super fast? So people can see them. Why can you watch the fights when they're Hypersonic/Relatavistic? Because watching blurs would be lame. But we know it was fast because Susanoomon looked right at it and couldn't dodge.
Most attacks in Digimon look slow. Take Susanomon's attack in E. 49; that was snail-like for dramatic reasons.
Are you looking at the same thing I am? 3:20 into episode 49. That attack is not slow; the white sphere wasn't, anyway.
Ultimates are not created anymore equal then Perfects, Adults, or Childs. MarinAngemon is pathetic, sure. But he's on one end of the scale. Ebemon can blow up planets.
To put that in perspective, if Tankdramon had, oh, a few hundred thousand of those nukes and directed all of the blast straight down, he could maybe move a planet. Like, maybe an inch or two. Ebemon can flatout vaporise it with his hand gun.
ZeedMilleniumon can destroy Universes. Seraphimon can destroy at least one. Imperialdramon throws around anti-matter. Crimson Mode flatout writes anyone who pisses him off out of existence.
Being a Perfect Level means you evolved frm an Adult Level. Being an Ultimate means you evolved from a Perfect. You seem to think this means that Digimon of te same level obey some sort of internally consistent power level. Stop doing that. It's all over the place. It's always been all over the place.
If you mean 'Lucemon hit him with a Paradise Lost (and not even a complete one; Susanoomon cut him off before the finisher) and then a few normal attacks (counting them; one force shove, two punches, and one kick) when that didn't work' then yes. Is there anything that would stop him from doing that to anyone he fought? It worked, by your own admission, on Susanoomon.
He's the combination of all the Legendary Warriors. Lucemon 'only' hit him with one (unsuccessful) Paradise Lost and a few normal hits.
What is this charge up you keep talking about? Lucemon calls out those two spheres and they appeared immediately.
He said, 'you are a thorn in my side' and the spheres appeared in his hands without him doing anything else. He gloated. Then, he threw the white one, which moved a lot faster then most of the attacks in 04 (including lightning bolts and laser beams, at times) and hit Susanoomon before he could react. He gloated some more ('But now you will die') and threw the black one.
The only charge time at any point in either Episode 48 or 49 was the time Lucemon took to gloat.
The sphere expands to a size apparently decided by what's it hits (or Lucemon, I guess). The first DoA he used swallowed up most of the Chosen, but against Susanoomon, he only needed to hit Susanoomon. If it missed, he could have just made it expand.
And didn't you just say Susanoomon couldn't move? Because Lucemon hit him with his (incomplete) Secondary Attack and four regular hits (which really just shows how strong Lucemon is). Though that's not really how it looked to me.
Not that it would have mattered. When watching anime, it's important to remember that things happen faster then they appear too. DoA moved faster then a lot attack. Including Lightning bolts. Why aren't these attacks shown to be super fast? So people can see them. Why can you watch the fights when they're Hypersonic/Relatavistic? Because watching blurs would be lame. But we know it was fast because Susanoomon looked right at it and couldn't dodge.
Most attacks in Digimon look slow. Take Susanomon's attack in E. 49; that was snail-like for dramatic reasons.
Are you looking at the same thing I am? 3:20 into episode 49. That attack is not slow; the white sphere wasn't, anyway.
:huh: But the concensus still is that profile Susanomon can destroy Profile Lucemon... Or not?
Also I know that Lucemon is hax but I always tought that the big bang from Seraphimon could kill him (something like the only thing that Seraphimon can do to beat Lucemon if the need arise)
Last question ZeedMilleniunmon is the more powerfull digimon or are there any other digimon more powerfull?
Also I know that Lucemon is hax but I always tought that the big bang from Seraphimon could kill him (something like the only thing that Seraphimon can do to beat Lucemon if the need arise)
Last question ZeedMilleniunmon is the more powerfull digimon or are there any other digimon more powerfull?
And yet when it's drastically out of place, Ie: Astamon, it's specifically noted. Which is kind of the point I was saying there. :mellow:
Also you're taking those that are specifically high end supremos in terms of the ulitmates there. Just because they, the creme of the crop for megas can (ignoring Ebemon who I also don't buy, but that's neither here nor there), doesn't mean a perfect who isn't even outright noted as particularly special should be able to do something in a similar tier above.
Too be perfectly honest, the Susanoomon there seemed significantly weaker than he should have been. I mean by your own admission, it took him those few rather basic blows and he could barely move till he specifically reset himself (I'm assuming akin to the V-Tamer DNA Digivolution method of cheating).
I'm not quite sure why, possibly due to the main two hogging all the glory, possibly because they were just getting into the groove of it, or because 04 is an inconsistent mess, but suffice to say the comparison between the one there and the one that beat Lucemon's final form seemed pretty drastic.
And they rotate in his palms charging. Pretty clear cut there dude. :mellow:
Actually it was the sphere he fires that I was talking about. I seemed to recall the spheres were larger than that. Possibly due to the fact that they expanded when the Dark dude was trying to block now that I check, despite the fact that he wasn't technically 'hit' yet. You avoid that relatively tiny ball and it can't expand to get you. Easy peasy.
Doesn't appear to expand unless you get hit first though, unless you somehow block it via a champion form of a similar alignment apparently. That's another odd thing actually... then again he really didn't block then so eh.
When you get lines inbetween, and squishy humans can follow, and react to what's going on as it happens, not particularly likely.
Charge up balls (incredibly obvious setup that makes it clear what's about to happen and takes a few seconds), toss one ball (Can be relatively quick, but nothing compared to his punching attack to say the least), follow up with another (If caught and you can't bust out due to pain you're screwed at this point admittedly), attack actually starts. That is a slow and awkward attack.
Also you're taking those that are specifically high end supremos in terms of the ulitmates there. Just because they, the creme of the crop for megas can (ignoring Ebemon who I also don't buy, but that's neither here nor there), doesn't mean a perfect who isn't even outright noted as particularly special should be able to do something in a similar tier above.
Too be perfectly honest, the Susanoomon there seemed significantly weaker than he should have been. I mean by your own admission, it took him those few rather basic blows and he could barely move till he specifically reset himself (I'm assuming akin to the V-Tamer DNA Digivolution method of cheating).
I'm not quite sure why, possibly due to the main two hogging all the glory, possibly because they were just getting into the groove of it, or because 04 is an inconsistent mess, but suffice to say the comparison between the one there and the one that beat Lucemon's final form seemed pretty drastic.
And they rotate in his palms charging. Pretty clear cut there dude. :mellow:
Actually it was the sphere he fires that I was talking about. I seemed to recall the spheres were larger than that. Possibly due to the fact that they expanded when the Dark dude was trying to block now that I check, despite the fact that he wasn't technically 'hit' yet. You avoid that relatively tiny ball and it can't expand to get you. Easy peasy.
Doesn't appear to expand unless you get hit first though, unless you somehow block it via a champion form of a similar alignment apparently. That's another odd thing actually... then again he really didn't block then so eh.
When you get lines inbetween, and squishy humans can follow, and react to what's going on as it happens, not particularly likely.
Charge up balls (incredibly obvious setup that makes it clear what's about to happen and takes a few seconds), toss one ball (Can be relatively quick, but nothing compared to his punching attack to say the least), follow up with another (If caught and you can't bust out due to pain you're screwed at this point admittedly), attack actually starts. That is a slow and awkward attack.
Susanoomon can destroy Lucemon FM, but the same can be said for the reverse. I suppose it depends on who gets the first strike.
Also, the most powerful Digimon is PROBABLY Chronomon; however, he's only appeared in games and we don't know much about him. He is the only Digimon to be a Super Ultimate without using the Super Ultimate Digimental though. That might mean something.
Also, the most powerful Digimon is PROBABLY Chronomon; however, he's only appeared in games and we don't know much about him. He is the only Digimon to be a Super Ultimate without using the Super Ultimate Digimental though. That might mean something.
Unknown. DoA has a 50% chance of killing P. Susanoomon and Paradise Lost is monsterously powerful.
Meanwhile, Susanoomon's main attack will kill Lucemon if it hits.
By definition, Lucemon is more powerful then any of the Three Angels because Lucemon is that angel plus the other two.
As for attacks...well, if you count Digimon Story, Seraphimon's Seven Heavens and Cherubimon's Lightning Spear are on Lucemon's list of attacks.
Still, I doubt he can survive a Big Bang.
Going by known destructive power, he's the current highest, yes.
Chronomon has no feats. He doesn't even have official attacks, outside the game. The closest thing he's got to actually having something to his name is that Susanoomon and Valdurmon can jogress into him. But that's not his actual evolution path; he normally evolves from Butenmon...who has a sword to his name and, apparently, nothing else.
And Jogresses and alternative evolutions are tricky things; Lucemon can evolve into Barbamon and Demon, who are both weaker then him. Seraphimon can jogress into Magnadramon. Dukemon can evolve into Burpmon and jogress into Beelzebumon. Hell, technically, Milleniumon jogressed into Monodramon.
A number of perfects have proven themselves stronger then Ultimates. Astamon flatout says so. Others don't. So what? 'Ultimate' isn't someting you can confine to a specific amount of power. In a fight between a Perfect and MarinAngemon, I'd bet on most Perfects.
And Tankdramon doesn't. He's a different looking MetalGreymon, only most of a decade younger.
MetalGreymon isn't noted as being Ultimate level powerful, either.
When?
No, seriously, you gotta explain this one, because it never happened.
The spheres appeared when Lucemon willed them too.
He took some time to mock Susanoomon before throwing them.
But when did it say he needed that time to charge it? Where?
I'll help you out here:
No where.
In either episode.
Only not really, because the first DoA didn't hit anyone; it expanded because Lucemon wanted it to. Go check for yourself; episode 48. It didn't get anywhere close to the Chosen.
Again, no; it doesn't have to hit you. Lucemon proved that by pwning the Chosen without hiting any of them with it.
Like in DBZ?
Also, see the lightning bolts and lasers and etc.
No.
toss one ball (Can be relatively quick, but nothing compared to his punching attack to say the least),
And a bunch of lightning timers couldn't dodge it.
Though, yeah, it's no Paradise Lost. But so what? Nobody managed to dodge PL, either. It's probably the fastest attack in 04. Susannomon came the closest by managing to react 99% of the way through the beating.
Wrong; you're screwed if the first one hits you; it's mean to keep you in one place and even Susanoomon couldn't get out of it.
It starts when the white sphere hits; it hurts and even one of the strongest Ultimate Digimon to date couldn't break out of it.
No, it's not.
No feats...
No official attacks...
Not really impressive.
All he's got to his name is Super Ultimate (which didn't stop me from kicking his ass in the game. Twice.) and a Susanoomon evolution that isn't even his 'real' one.
We have no idea how strong he is, except that thousands of Players owned him in Moonlight and Sunburst. He has no profile. He haso attacks. Hell, we don't even know if his powers involve time.
His natural evolution line sucks, though.
It's fine if you ignore them. I do too. A lot.
Having said that, those profiles are canon. If you want to ignore them, that's okay, but you ignoring them doesn't make them less canon.
Luckily, there are a lot of seperate Digimon canons.
Meanwhile, Susanoomon's main attack will kill Lucemon if it hits.
By definition, Lucemon is more powerful then any of the Three Angels because Lucemon is that angel plus the other two.
As for attacks...well, if you count Digimon Story, Seraphimon's Seven Heavens and Cherubimon's Lightning Spear are on Lucemon's list of attacks.
Still, I doubt he can survive a Big Bang.
Going by known destructive power, he's the current highest, yes.
Chronomon has no feats. He doesn't even have official attacks, outside the game. The closest thing he's got to actually having something to his name is that Susanoomon and Valdurmon can jogress into him. But that's not his actual evolution path; he normally evolves from Butenmon...who has a sword to his name and, apparently, nothing else.
And Jogresses and alternative evolutions are tricky things; Lucemon can evolve into Barbamon and Demon, who are both weaker then him. Seraphimon can jogress into Magnadramon. Dukemon can evolve into Burpmon and jogress into Beelzebumon. Hell, technically, Milleniumon jogressed into Monodramon.
A number of perfects have proven themselves stronger then Ultimates. Astamon flatout says so. Others don't. So what? 'Ultimate' isn't someting you can confine to a specific amount of power. In a fight between a Perfect and MarinAngemon, I'd bet on most Perfects.
And Tankdramon doesn't. He's a different looking MetalGreymon, only most of a decade younger.
MetalGreymon isn't noted as being Ultimate level powerful, either.
When?
No, seriously, you gotta explain this one, because it never happened.
The spheres appeared when Lucemon willed them too.
He took some time to mock Susanoomon before throwing them.
But when did it say he needed that time to charge it? Where?
I'll help you out here:
No where.
In either episode.
Only not really, because the first DoA didn't hit anyone; it expanded because Lucemon wanted it to. Go check for yourself; episode 48. It didn't get anywhere close to the Chosen.
Again, no; it doesn't have to hit you. Lucemon proved that by pwning the Chosen without hiting any of them with it.
Like in DBZ?
Also, see the lightning bolts and lasers and etc.
No.
toss one ball (Can be relatively quick, but nothing compared to his punching attack to say the least),
And a bunch of lightning timers couldn't dodge it.
Though, yeah, it's no Paradise Lost. But so what? Nobody managed to dodge PL, either. It's probably the fastest attack in 04. Susannomon came the closest by managing to react 99% of the way through the beating.
Wrong; you're screwed if the first one hits you; it's mean to keep you in one place and even Susanoomon couldn't get out of it.
It starts when the white sphere hits; it hurts and even one of the strongest Ultimate Digimon to date couldn't break out of it.
No, it's not.
No feats...
No official attacks...
Not really impressive.
All he's got to his name is Super Ultimate (which didn't stop me from kicking his ass in the game. Twice.) and a Susanoomon evolution that isn't even his 'real' one.
We have no idea how strong he is, except that thousands of Players owned him in Moonlight and Sunburst. He has no profile. He haso attacks. Hell, we don't even know if his powers involve time.
His natural evolution line sucks, though.
It's fine if you ignore them. I do too. A lot.
Having said that, those profiles are canon. If you want to ignore them, that's okay, but you ignoring them doesn't make them less canon.
Luckily, there are a lot of seperate Digimon canons.
Then he can throw it the instant he summons them. But he doesn't. Why? Either he has to or he doesn't, but the main point being he kinda didn't.
Indeed. It did however hit the ground the bunch of them were resting on (The ice kid can't fly recall, he's standing on 'something' though hell if I know what. Seemed to be the same stuff the dark dude literally got slammed into).
In DBZ those squishy humans watching at least also had super speed. And actually noted when something was too fast for them.
Said dude also could only barely move prior to said attack hitting him because of a few physical hits, so suffice to say something was already off there. :huh.:
Edit: Now that I check again actually...
Actually looking back it hurts Susanoomon yet the humans weren't screaming in agony when hit directly with the white half, the hell? Guess it's variable or something...
Indeed. It did however hit the ground the bunch of them were resting on (The ice kid can't fly recall, he's standing on 'something' though hell if I know what. Seemed to be the same stuff the dark dude literally got slammed into).
In DBZ those squishy humans watching at least also had super speed. And actually noted when something was too fast for them.
Said dude also could only barely move prior to said attack hitting him because of a few physical hits, so suffice to say something was already off there. :huh.:
Edit: Now that I check again actually...
Actually looking back it hurts Susanoomon yet the humans weren't screaming in agony when hit directly with the white half, the hell? Guess it's variable or something...
I remember reading somewhere that "Chronomon is the strongest Digimon"... then again, it was probably the Wikia, so yeah...
Anyway, since Chronomon has not appeared in any animated media or manga, we can't accurately judge his power. So until then, we should probably avoid mentioning him again in powerlevel discussions.
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And the reason why Lucemon lost in Frontier was because he was too busy gloating and underestimating the Chosen. He could've ripped off their heads with his bare hands the moment he appeared, but he didn't.
Even when Susanoomon appeared, he was still underestimating them. If he took them seriously from the beginning, the outcome may have been different.
Anyway, since Chronomon has not appeared in any animated media or manga, we can't accurately judge his power. So until then, we should probably avoid mentioning him again in powerlevel discussions.
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And the reason why Lucemon lost in Frontier was because he was too busy gloating and underestimating the Chosen. He could've ripped off their heads with his bare hands the moment he appeared, but he didn't.
Even when Susanoomon appeared, he was still underestimating them. If he took them seriously from the beginning, the outcome may have been different.
Okay, I had that coming.
Allow me to try that again; a profile that tells of something of value or note.
Yes, because he was busy monolouging all three times.
He is the Demon Lord of Pride. He got screwed over by it.
It's a character flaw.
That's what it was supposed to do.
He could have flown down and killed them all in a second after the first DoA. He could have killed them after blowing up the moon. He could have killed them all a lot of times.
He didn't because he was Prideful.
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And?
Okay, okay; I admit it. The children's television show about young children taking trains to another dimension in which they interacted with monsters with superpowers who are made out of data, and fuse into <s>power rangers</s> Legendary Warriors to fight <s>crime</s> evil does not completely conform to the laws of Reality.
Well, Lucemon is strong enough to blow up the moon hard enough that the debris are flung through space with enough force to blow up two other moons with their impact.
So, yeah; Susanoomon might just have gotten the crap beaten out of him.
Allow me to try that again; a profile that tells of something of value or note.
Yes, because he was busy monolouging all three times.
He is the Demon Lord of Pride. He got screwed over by it.
It's a character flaw.
That's what it was supposed to do.
He could have flown down and killed them all in a second after the first DoA. He could have killed them after blowing up the moon. He could have killed them all a lot of times.
He didn't because he was Prideful.
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And?
Okay, okay; I admit it. The children's television show about young children taking trains to another dimension in which they interacted with monsters with superpowers who are made out of data, and fuse into <s>power rangers</s> Legendary Warriors to fight <s>crime</s> evil does not completely conform to the laws of Reality.
Well, Lucemon is strong enough to blow up the moon hard enough that the debris are flung through space with enough force to blow up two other moons with their impact.
So, yeah; Susanoomon might just have gotten the crap beaten out of him.
That's all well and good. But that doesn't change that each time the orbs stayed there spinning a while before he could actually fire them. See my issue with this is if he could, bar minimum, fire the light orb almost instantly, why did he not just fire that off before the guy sliced him in half (Admittedly though this is not the only thing he could have done while waiting to be sliced in half).
Hit something = expanding.
My problem with this is part of the blows were the initial part of an attack both of them survived through in weaker forms (As in they didn't revert till the attack actually completed), and other parts which knocked them into walls didn't quite hit them hard enough to bash them into walls harder than the dark champion was (With a huge explosion and all), who also survived. Hence I see no reason to assume said blows were moon destroying blows unless the walls were just that absurdly strong.
Hit something = expanding.
My problem with this is part of the blows were the initial part of an attack both of them survived through in weaker forms (As in they didn't revert till the attack actually completed), and other parts which knocked them into walls didn't quite hit them hard enough to bash them into walls harder than the dark champion was (With a huge explosion and all), who also survived. Hence I see no reason to assume said blows were moon destroying blows unless the walls were just that absurdly strong.
Where are you even getting this spinning thing from? As far as I can tell, they're just sitting there.
But more importantly, how are you making that strange leap of logic?
He didn't fire until he was done talking /= he couldn't have done so. Unless you actually have some evidence from, um, any form of media that you'd like to provide.
Because, by the way, each monolouge was a different length and he still fired them just fine.
That's not really evidence. We have no idea why he didn't avoid that easily avoidable attack.
But he did fire the white sphere off almost instantly, the third time he used DoA.
Yeah, but that's...not what you were claiming earlier. You said that it had to hit the target to expand, and thus you could easily dodge.
It doesn't.
And lo and behold, Susanoomon also survived the attack. He wasn't even taken out of the fight until several attacks later.
PL is the moon-buster and Lucemon didn't hit any walls while using it.
But more importantly, how are you making that strange leap of logic?
He didn't fire until he was done talking /= he couldn't have done so. Unless you actually have some evidence from, um, any form of media that you'd like to provide.
Because, by the way, each monolouge was a different length and he still fired them just fine.
That's not really evidence. We have no idea why he didn't avoid that easily avoidable attack.
But he did fire the white sphere off almost instantly, the third time he used DoA.
Yeah, but that's...not what you were claiming earlier. You said that it had to hit the target to expand, and thus you could easily dodge.
It doesn't.
And lo and behold, Susanoomon also survived the attack. He wasn't even taken out of the fight until several attacks later.
PL is the moon-buster and Lucemon didn't hit any walls while using it.
All that weird glowy stuff around them rotating. Dark orb especially.
Actually the leap of logic is in the progression you're making, despite the fact that he never was able to fire the orbs immediately after they were summoned means he actually can. See, my 'leap' is actually bridged by the additional point that even in cases where it would be advantageous for him to have summoned and fired it off immediately (Which was like a few times in HTH against Susanoomon when he actually took a few blows and his absurdly slow sword slash admittedly) he didn't. Though at this point that's pure schematics.
And since when are attacks indiscriminate about hitting a digimon, a human, or say a rock wall, to name a few? By target I meant something solid, as conceptually I was comparing it to a missile. Your point was that it expanded there being nothing to hit, when there actually was. Your argument was essentially that the orb expands based on Lucemon's will, which doesn't appear to be the case.
Actually he kept the attack from completing. Surviving it would require he actually got to finish. Granted he might survive it regardless but suffice to say whether or not it would have downed him like his physical blows did isn't made clear. Though I assume it would myself, though whether I'm interpreting 'moves' right is beyond me.
That's less reason to assume his basic blows busts moons. :huh:
Granted it is a pure physical strike, which I always found to be the iffy bits of combat in digimon, but named attacks tend to be far stronger than what they can normally do at base far as I know. Then again I may be basing this on a faulty assumption, I tend to think they work similar to dash moves...
Actually the leap of logic is in the progression you're making, despite the fact that he never was able to fire the orbs immediately after they were summoned means he actually can. See, my 'leap' is actually bridged by the additional point that even in cases where it would be advantageous for him to have summoned and fired it off immediately (Which was like a few times in HTH against Susanoomon when he actually took a few blows and his absurdly slow sword slash admittedly) he didn't. Though at this point that's pure schematics.
And since when are attacks indiscriminate about hitting a digimon, a human, or say a rock wall, to name a few? By target I meant something solid, as conceptually I was comparing it to a missile. Your point was that it expanded there being nothing to hit, when there actually was. Your argument was essentially that the orb expands based on Lucemon's will, which doesn't appear to be the case.
Actually he kept the attack from completing. Surviving it would require he actually got to finish. Granted he might survive it regardless but suffice to say whether or not it would have downed him like his physical blows did isn't made clear. Though I assume it would myself, though whether I'm interpreting 'moves' right is beyond me.
That's less reason to assume his basic blows busts moons. :huh:
Granted it is a pure physical strike, which I always found to be the iffy bits of combat in digimon, but named attacks tend to be far stronger than what they can normally do at base far as I know. Then again I may be basing this on a faulty assumption, I tend to think they work similar to dash moves...