Harry Potter Harry Potter, Harry Dresden Crossover Ideas
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Remember, the reverse is also true and I'm not talking about cauldron bottom thickness here. Read Anastasia's expiation of the laws of magic in Turn Coat.
The White Council is so afraid of becoming involved with politics, that it refuses to hold its members to any kind of moral framework. Instead, it adopts a position of damage limitation.
To quote Anastasia, "And so the Council limits itself. Any wizard is free to act in whatever manner he chooses with his power—provided he doesn’t break any of the Laws. Without resorting to black magic, the amount of damage an individual can inflict on mortal society is limited. As harsh an experience as it has created for you, Harry, the Laws of Magic are not about justice. The White Council is not about justice. They are about restraining power. And, occasionally, the Council manages to do some good by protecting mankind from supernatural threats.â€
If a wizard was to shoot someone with a gun and then use magic to cover up that fact from mortal authorities, the White Council would not act to punish that wizard. No Law of Magic has been broken. The Ministry of Magic, by contrast, would hit that person like a ton of bricks. Look at what happened to Dumbeldor's father (a pureblood for those who think that matters). He assaulted three muggle boys and spent the rest of his life in Azkaban.
The White Council is so afraid of becoming involved with politics, that it refuses to hold its members to any kind of moral framework. Instead, it adopts a position of damage limitation.
To quote Anastasia, "And so the Council limits itself. Any wizard is free to act in whatever manner he chooses with his power—provided he doesn’t break any of the Laws. Without resorting to black magic, the amount of damage an individual can inflict on mortal society is limited. As harsh an experience as it has created for you, Harry, the Laws of Magic are not about justice. The White Council is not about justice. They are about restraining power. And, occasionally, the Council manages to do some good by protecting mankind from supernatural threats.â€
If a wizard was to shoot someone with a gun and then use magic to cover up that fact from mortal authorities, the White Council would not act to punish that wizard. No Law of Magic has been broken. The Ministry of Magic, by contrast, would hit that person like a ton of bricks. Look at what happened to Dumbeldor's father (a pureblood for those who think that matters). He assaulted three muggle boys and spent the rest of his life in Azkaban.
Not necessarily. If the gun was used by the HP-style Wizard (obviously not a pureblood, or just a particularly well-learned one), then maybe this is a bit of fanon, but I don't think the Ministry of Magic will care. Not even if magic was used to cover it up. Maybe some sort of 'inappropriate use of obliviation' slap on the wrist, but since the assault was done in a muggle fashion, it would be outside their purview and I can't see them trying to pursue the matter.
I figure they'd leave it to the muggle authorities.
I figure they'd leave it to the muggle authorities.
I disagree and I think you are falling into fanon. Remember, Cornelius Fudge campaigned on a slogan of "A Fair Deal for Wizards Who Deal Fair with Muggles."
Or, if you'd prefer a more self-centred explanation: No way in hell would the Ministry of Magic accept that some things are 'outside their purview'. This is the same body that regulates cauldron bottom thickness. Do you really think they are going to let something outside their control just because the person uses a gun or their fists rather than a wand? And we know wizards do attack people physically. Harry and Draco do so when they loose their temper.
If you kill someone, they'd want to punish you. If you're smart, they might not catch you. If you're well connected, you might get off. But they wouldn't chalk it up to damage limitation like the White Council.
Or, if you'd prefer a more self-centred explanation: No way in hell would the Ministry of Magic accept that some things are 'outside their purview'. This is the same body that regulates cauldron bottom thickness. Do you really think they are going to let something outside their control just because the person uses a gun or their fists rather than a wand? And we know wizards do attack people physically. Harry and Draco do so when they loose their temper.
If you kill someone, they'd want to punish you. If you're smart, they might not catch you. If you're well connected, you might get off. But they wouldn't chalk it up to damage limitation like the White Council.
I can agree with this. White Council has ten laws. You follow them to the letter everything is cool. You don't, you get executed.
Ministry of Magic is more like an actual government with a very annoying bureaucracy. There is a prison. There are a variety of crimes and presumably a difference in the time you get sentenced to prison if you get sentenced at all.
They also kind of very loosely work with the actual government and give warnings on some criminals (like Sirius).
Ministry of Magic is more like an actual government with a very annoying bureaucracy. There is a prison. There are a variety of crimes and presumably a difference in the time you get sentenced to prison if you get sentenced at all.
They also kind of very loosely work with the actual government and give warnings on some criminals (like Sirius).
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Now that I think a bit more seriously about it.
If I kept it as a oneshot, the fallen can remain unnamed.
If I planned on expanding it, the fallen has to be feminine and and her theme focused on knowledge. And probably none of the main cast.
There were few unnamed Denarians so maybe Pistis Sophia, or just Sophia for Short, from Gnostic lore. According to it she is responsible for sending THE Snake into Eden, which would fit thematically. Any thoughts on it?
Because personally I would rather avoid using Lasciel.
The following and preceding scene should be done soon btw.
Now that I think a bit more seriously about it.
If I kept it as a oneshot, the fallen can remain unnamed.
If I planned on expanding it, the fallen has to be feminine and and her theme focused on knowledge. And probably none of the main cast.
There were few unnamed Denarians so maybe Pistis Sophia, or just Sophia for Short, from Gnostic lore. According to it she is responsible for sending THE Snake into Eden, which would fit thematically. Any thoughts on it?
Because personally I would rather avoid using Lasciel.
The following and preceding scene should be done soon btw.
Technically I've just joined 3 days ago ;p Not that I'm resisting. :]
Anyway part 3/3, having a bit of a problem with placing the of first scene in time.
The scene in the classroom was 2/3 btw.
I'm considering the breakfast scene Snape's input only, Sophia's having some quality time with herself (psst, there is an omake under the story proper) or whatever.
And because some might be interested
PS. Can someone, do a grammar check, I try but as a non native speaker I tend to screw it a bit.
Anyway part 3/3, having a bit of a problem with placing the of first scene in time.
The scene in the classroom was 2/3 btw.
I'm considering the breakfast scene Snape's input only, Sophia's having some quality time with herself (psst, there is an omake under the story proper) or whatever.
And because some might be interested
PS. Can someone, do a grammar check, I try but as a non native speaker I tend to screw it a bit.
You may wish to use a name ending in El, as most of the Denarians have that, which is an interesting point considering that that's the part of their name that references god. In the DF when Dresden is talking with heaven's black bag man he leaves the El off of the angel's name and the angel freaks at it a bit.
Since the names, to the best of my knowledge, are derived from Hebrew you might want to go with Chokmah'el or some variation thereof since the Hebrew word for Wisdom is Chokmah. Note: that Ch at the beginning is how you write the glottal 'h' sound in English so it's not ch as in change it's ch as in Channukah.
EDIT: Realizing that Chokma doesn't exactly trip off the tongue I'll also suggest Erum, which means Cunning and is specifically used to refer to teh biblical serpent, and also Da'at, which means Knowledge and is the Hebrew cognate for the Greek word Gnosis
So, Erumel, Daatel, and Chokmahel to summarise
Since the names, to the best of my knowledge, are derived from Hebrew you might want to go with Chokmah'el or some variation thereof since the Hebrew word for Wisdom is Chokmah. Note: that Ch at the beginning is how you write the glottal 'h' sound in English so it's not ch as in change it's ch as in Channukah.
EDIT: Realizing that Chokma doesn't exactly trip off the tongue I'll also suggest Erum, which means Cunning and is specifically used to refer to teh biblical serpent, and also Da'at, which means Knowledge and is the Hebrew cognate for the Greek word Gnosis
So, Erumel, Daatel, and Chokmahel to summarise
Well I would freak too in place of angels as the -el suffix means 'of god', and names of angles describe their function. Omitting it is like Archangel Michael being called Mike the Bum.
Anyway, might do so and probably will, however Sophia is an angel of gnostic, not exactly hebrew origin. Besides as a fallen she might not be so high strung about it. Or I can handwave it that people were mangling her name and she decided to just go with Sophia.
But it will require presenting that scene. And thus the fanfic grows.
Any comments on the part of the fic itself or omake? Too heavy handed, too moody or the other way around?
Anyway, might do so and probably will, however Sophia is an angel of gnostic, not exactly hebrew origin. Besides as a fallen she might not be so high strung about it. Or I can handwave it that people were mangling her name and she decided to just go with Sophia.
But it will require presenting that scene. And thus the fanfic grows.
Any comments on the part of the fic itself or omake? Too heavy handed, too moody or the other way around?
Point. After some thought I'm more convinced to leave Sophia as Sophia. I took her from non-hebrew angelic lore, so there, it is a reason she doesn't have the -el part.
Her name not containing -el suffix may be a reason for her fall.
She just felt excluded.
Besides Sophia is a tribute of sorts to a character from one of this lady's books, also an Angel.
tl;dr - KISS - Sophia the Gnostic Angel.
Her name not containing -el suffix may be a reason for her fall.
She just felt excluded.
Besides Sophia is a tribute of sorts to a character from one of this lady's books, also an Angel.
tl;dr - KISS - Sophia the Gnostic Angel.
Other possible thought: Sophia could simply be a nickname. Perhaps as a way to better hide from the Knights, "Sohpia" simply hasn't given her real name out. Granted the Angelic sigil on the coin would tell people what her name is, but perhaps no one else in the Wizarding community know enough to read it.
It IS properly cunning and wise not to let people hunting you know your true name. Names have power after all. Though perhaps over time she has come to identify as Sophia as opposed to whatever her original name was. The only reason I suggested the Hebrew name to begin with is that I thought all of the named fallen so far have the El suffix and consistency helps, but upon investigation there's at least one that isn't, Magog, so go with what you like.
As far as the fic so far goes I think it's pretty solid. Seeing Snape in torment is as ever entertaining and I think you're showing the whole manipulative fallen angel thing pretty well. The direct use of the eye similarity to gut him even more was a nice touch, and I like the whole drawing directly from Canon scenes thing you've done.
I'm a bit unclear on the Omake, is Sophia digging her hot little hands into the information pertaining to Snape's potion knowledge? Where and how he learned things for example and the bezoar reference was to Lily again? The omake was nice, I'd just like a bit more detail in some of the why's and hows. Maybe adding another sentence or two to make whatever it is the Angel can draw on clearer?
As far as the fic so far goes I think it's pretty solid. Seeing Snape in torment is as ever entertaining and I think you're showing the whole manipulative fallen angel thing pretty well. The direct use of the eye similarity to gut him even more was a nice touch, and I like the whole drawing directly from Canon scenes thing you've done.
I'm a bit unclear on the Omake, is Sophia digging her hot little hands into the information pertaining to Snape's potion knowledge? Where and how he learned things for example and the bezoar reference was to Lily again? The omake was nice, I'd just like a bit more detail in some of the why's and hows. Maybe adding another sentence or two to make whatever it is the Angel can draw on clearer?
Or maybe, a reverse.
People try to be genre savvy and call her Sophiael.
Her reaction is, to put it mildly, being not amused. Unless it goes well with her current plan.
Yes, it refers to a scene where Harry has to find an antidote during a Slughorn's lesson and presents a bezoar as an answer.
Slughotn says that it's something straight out of his mother's book. Left it vague, as canon is unclear about if it actually happened.
So few fixes, added parts in italics.
And a slight change to the opening exposition.
Also it's not only tormenting Snape. He has the coin for at least 12 years at the time the fic happens, and Sophie is wearing Lily face for at least 10.
Think about implications for a moment, as Snape is still Snape.
I'm trying to genuinely work on his punishment and redemption.
EDIT: This fic's unofficial themesong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa3cXe9ynW4
People try to be genre savvy and call her Sophiael.
Her reaction is, to put it mildly, being not amused. Unless it goes well with her current plan.
Yes, it refers to a scene where Harry has to find an antidote during a Slughorn's lesson and presents a bezoar as an answer.
Slughotn says that it's something straight out of his mother's book. Left it vague, as canon is unclear about if it actually happened.
So few fixes, added parts in italics.
And a slight change to the opening exposition.
Also it's not only tormenting Snape. He has the coin for at least 12 years at the time the fic happens, and Sophie is wearing Lily face for at least 10.
Think about implications for a moment, as Snape is still Snape.
I'm trying to genuinely work on his punishment and redemption.
EDIT: This fic's unofficial themesong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa3cXe9ynW4
One of the things about a DF/HP cross is, well...it's really the other way around. HP wizard are way more powerful in just about every way that matters, even just using canonical spells and potions. While DF wizards can win in several regards, such as who can cause more property damage in a single spell...well, it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, for several reasons. A lot of people forget it, because HP wizards are largely morons, but those guys have one of the most horrifically powerful magic systems around.
1) Stamina. While Harry Dresden can flip a truck with a spell and crush it like a beer can, it was a feat that floored Harry as well, leaving him to exhausted to even stand. This is because DF spells actually take energy.
Harry Potter destroyed a large chunk of a car in DH with a casual gesture. This is because while HP magic was violating the rest of the natural laws, it stopped by and pimped out the Laws of Thermodynamics as well. HP wizards spend all day casting spells that rearrange and create matter and shatter fundamental natural laws and they don't even break a sweat. HD could destroy a car in a single spell and be flattened. HP could destroy twenty with a hundred spells and be bored.
2) Versatility. DF wizards can throw some destructive spells, but Evocation is a very limited form of magic and wizards generally only have a handful of spells they can use on the fly.
HP wizards can use all their spells on the fly. Setting up wards, destroying things, rearranging and creating matter, healing, fixing things, everything--they can do it on the fly. A lot of its stuff that DF wizards can't do without Thaumaturgy or simply can't do period, too.
3) Teleportation. A lot of people brush over it because HP wizards do it so casually, but...teleportation is one of the most broken powers ever. And HP wizards can do it casually, without any effort or even a word. You throw everything you have at them? They're a mile away. Things are going bad for them? They cross the country. They're pissed at you? They're behind you the moment you're off-guard and killing you.
Free Teleportation is bullshit. By itself, it means wizards can win just about any fight--or at least escape alive. You throw a pillar of fire? Teleport. You shoot at them? Teleport. You bring down a fucking satellite? They fucking teleport. It makes fighting them a huge pain in the ass at the best of times and nigh-impossible at anything less then that.
4) Obeying the laws of physics. DF magic does--magical fire acts like normal fire, unless you spend a boatload of power to control it.
HP magic laughs at the laws of physics while banging its mother in front of it. They can create matter--fuck, actual living creatures--casually. They can teleport casually. They can reverse gravity casually. They can stop motion casually. They can travel time casually. They can bend space casually. They manipulate minds casually. They retroactively erase knowledge casually. I'm trying to think of a natural law they can't break and struggling.
The reason I made Harry an Eldritch Abomination in MoD is because the amount of natural laws they break on a slow day makes Cthulhu envious.
5) Population. There are a lot of HP wizards. Perhaps not by the standards of the total human population, but by DF wizard standards, there are a shitload of guys packing reality warping powers. So they win in Population.
6) Weaknesses. DF Magic: Fire, water, circles, etc. HP magic: None.
7) Theoretical destructive potential. HP wins here, too, because...
Well, shit--take the ability to turn dirt into anything to a bunch of scientists and add it to everything else HP wizards do, and you'd be lucky not to lose earth while they played with massed produced Nukes and Antimatter cannons and what have you.
The list goes on and on.
HP magic is ridiculous bullshit kept in check by only HP wizards laziness and stupidity. In any situation where you have a serious, even mildly intelligent HP wizard vs. even an extremely powerful DF wizard, I'd root for the reality warper. See 'turn air into sarin gas, or turn it into pure oxygen and hydrogen and ignite it, or transfigure a bear and enlarge it to the size of a bus and produce siblings as needed, or teleport and AK, or etc. for reasons why. You need Senior Council members like Eb to win in a straight fight and even they lose if the HP wizard plays smart.
Ridiculous, broken bullshit magic system is ridiculous, broken, and bullshit.
Sadly, they are actually many, many times more powerful
Are you kidding? HP potions are ridiculously powerful, even compared to DF ones, can be mass produced, and last indefinitely. DF ones last a day or two at most, are extremely difficult to produce in any quantity, etc.
HP transfiguration is permanent. The explanation for why wizards use it tt turn into animals instead of becoming Animagi, is because then they'll have the brains of an animal, won't be able to turn themselves back, and would be stuck that way forever.
The Third Law is about entering minds. Soul Gazes actually gaze into souls and are mutual; legilimency is casual mental invasion.
No; you have to be careful not to break casualty when using TTs, because you specifically can.
See statements concerning ridiculousness, brokenness, and bullshit above.
1) Stamina. While Harry Dresden can flip a truck with a spell and crush it like a beer can, it was a feat that floored Harry as well, leaving him to exhausted to even stand. This is because DF spells actually take energy.
Harry Potter destroyed a large chunk of a car in DH with a casual gesture. This is because while HP magic was violating the rest of the natural laws, it stopped by and pimped out the Laws of Thermodynamics as well. HP wizards spend all day casting spells that rearrange and create matter and shatter fundamental natural laws and they don't even break a sweat. HD could destroy a car in a single spell and be flattened. HP could destroy twenty with a hundred spells and be bored.
2) Versatility. DF wizards can throw some destructive spells, but Evocation is a very limited form of magic and wizards generally only have a handful of spells they can use on the fly.
HP wizards can use all their spells on the fly. Setting up wards, destroying things, rearranging and creating matter, healing, fixing things, everything--they can do it on the fly. A lot of its stuff that DF wizards can't do without Thaumaturgy or simply can't do period, too.
3) Teleportation. A lot of people brush over it because HP wizards do it so casually, but...teleportation is one of the most broken powers ever. And HP wizards can do it casually, without any effort or even a word. You throw everything you have at them? They're a mile away. Things are going bad for them? They cross the country. They're pissed at you? They're behind you the moment you're off-guard and killing you.
Free Teleportation is bullshit. By itself, it means wizards can win just about any fight--or at least escape alive. You throw a pillar of fire? Teleport. You shoot at them? Teleport. You bring down a fucking satellite? They fucking teleport. It makes fighting them a huge pain in the ass at the best of times and nigh-impossible at anything less then that.
4) Obeying the laws of physics. DF magic does--magical fire acts like normal fire, unless you spend a boatload of power to control it.
HP magic laughs at the laws of physics while banging its mother in front of it. They can create matter--fuck, actual living creatures--casually. They can teleport casually. They can reverse gravity casually. They can stop motion casually. They can travel time casually. They can bend space casually. They manipulate minds casually. They retroactively erase knowledge casually. I'm trying to think of a natural law they can't break and struggling.
The reason I made Harry an Eldritch Abomination in MoD is because the amount of natural laws they break on a slow day makes Cthulhu envious.
5) Population. There are a lot of HP wizards. Perhaps not by the standards of the total human population, but by DF wizard standards, there are a shitload of guys packing reality warping powers. So they win in Population.
6) Weaknesses. DF Magic: Fire, water, circles, etc. HP magic: None.
7) Theoretical destructive potential. HP wins here, too, because...
Well, shit--take the ability to turn dirt into anything to a bunch of scientists and add it to everything else HP wizards do, and you'd be lucky not to lose earth while they played with massed produced Nukes and Antimatter cannons and what have you.
The list goes on and on.
HP magic is ridiculous bullshit kept in check by only HP wizards laziness and stupidity. In any situation where you have a serious, even mildly intelligent HP wizard vs. even an extremely powerful DF wizard, I'd root for the reality warper. See 'turn air into sarin gas, or turn it into pure oxygen and hydrogen and ignite it, or transfigure a bear and enlarge it to the size of a bus and produce siblings as needed, or teleport and AK, or etc. for reasons why. You need Senior Council members like Eb to win in a straight fight and even they lose if the HP wizard plays smart.
Ridiculous, broken bullshit magic system is ridiculous, broken, and bullshit.
Sadly, they are actually many, many times more powerful
Are you kidding? HP potions are ridiculously powerful, even compared to DF ones, can be mass produced, and last indefinitely. DF ones last a day or two at most, are extremely difficult to produce in any quantity, etc.
HP transfiguration is permanent. The explanation for why wizards use it tt turn into animals instead of becoming Animagi, is because then they'll have the brains of an animal, won't be able to turn themselves back, and would be stuck that way forever.
The Third Law is about entering minds. Soul Gazes actually gaze into souls and are mutual; legilimency is casual mental invasion.
No; you have to be careful not to break casualty when using TTs, because you specifically can.
See statements concerning ridiculousness, brokenness, and bullshit above.
In the flat out 1vs1, mano a mano, or whatever you call it, HP wizards are indeed godlike vs. most of the settings. I absolutely agree.
However that two lines work with the premise that HP verse in its entirety, is a parasitic or pocket dimension so to speak, like London Below, running on magic with a bit different set of laws.
When HP wizard somehow gets transported into world above he's massively depowered, while Dresden-like wizard gets a bit of power boost while travelling downward.
And as the travels happen scarcely, the HP wizards are marked as delusional* fools with no power to back it up.
*Yes, I know that Dresden-verse has power born from insanity, however HP mages do not, not really like that at least.
Edit: Besides, it's a joke.
However that two lines work with the premise that HP verse in its entirety, is a parasitic or pocket dimension so to speak, like London Below, running on magic with a bit different set of laws.
When HP wizard somehow gets transported into world above he's massively depowered, while Dresden-like wizard gets a bit of power boost while travelling downward.
And as the travels happen scarcely, the HP wizards are marked as delusional* fools with no power to back it up.
*Yes, I know that Dresden-verse has power born from insanity, however HP mages do not, not really like that at least.
Edit: Besides, it's a joke.
Not sure how that would make any sense: I mean, just for starters, why would they lose power? As far as I'm aware, HP magic isn't externally powered like DF magic is, but is rather 'powered' (if you can use that word on something that doesn't seem to take any power) solely by the wizard. It shouldn't be effected by anything like location. And why would it be depowered? It's not like it runs on power--unless Hermione was putting the energy of a hundred nukes into conjuring birds in HBP. So I'm not sure why something that doesn't seem to run of external forces would be effected by a change into a Universe that functions the exact same way as the DF in pretty much every way. DF magic shouldn't be effected either, really, since even if there was more energy to draw upon externally, there's an internal limit to how much energy they can use that wouldn't change.
There's also the matter of why these differences in the Universe, if they some how effected the wizards, would do so in such a manner. Why would two closely related Universes that in all other ways worked the same depower magic from one universe and boost magic from the other?
And to be honest, even beyond that, I'm kind of leery about a story about a magic-user stripping him of his magic. That's basically removing what makes a character special, which I think would be bad for both DF and HP wizards.
There's also the matter of why these differences in the Universe, if they some how effected the wizards, would do so in such a manner. Why would two closely related Universes that in all other ways worked the same depower magic from one universe and boost magic from the other?
And to be honest, even beyond that, I'm kind of leery about a story about a magic-user stripping him of his magic. That's basically removing what makes a character special, which I think would be bad for both DF and HP wizards.
It's more like pocket/parasite than alternate universe. Im' using world for lack of a better analogue.
Think Neverwhere and Journeuy to the centre of the earth.
Or even Hellboy 2.
About the powereing depowereing. While it's magic seems a valid explanation, it's also the lazy one.
So, as you have said HP magic is just powered. And as we work with fusing some changes have to be made.
So HP world has those just powered spells. Here they work on principle of most of things there being made of magic, or just deeply saturated already.
HP world has so much of magic that the wizards don't really consider or notice the strain and unconsciously tap into it.
It also allows for violating the energy and matter conversions.
So it's not so much depowering, as in taking the magic away, and more like sending a guy who lives most of his life near the sea into Himalayas in two days and telling him to run.
They lack oxygen so to speak. So a smart wizard could still work with his spells he would just get as tired as his Dresden analogue.
Also consider the psychosomatic impact. Trying to cast a spell as HP wizard in Dresden verse is similar to trying to move a hand after having it in cast for a month. You get to work out your muscles again. But for a first time your metaphorical hand doesn't feel like your hand at all.
In reverse the Dresden wizards find themselves in a hyper oxygenated environment.
Think Neverwhere and Journeuy to the centre of the earth.
Or even Hellboy 2.
About the powereing depowereing. While it's magic seems a valid explanation, it's also the lazy one.
So, as you have said HP magic is just powered. And as we work with fusing some changes have to be made.
So HP world has those just powered spells. Here they work on principle of most of things there being made of magic, or just deeply saturated already.
HP world has so much of magic that the wizards don't really consider or notice the strain and unconsciously tap into it.
It also allows for violating the energy and matter conversions.
So it's not so much depowering, as in taking the magic away, and more like sending a guy who lives most of his life near the sea into Himalayas in two days and telling him to run.
They lack oxygen so to speak. So a smart wizard could still work with his spells he would just get as tired as his Dresden analogue.
Also consider the psychosomatic impact. Trying to cast a spell as HP wizard in Dresden verse is similar to trying to move a hand after having it in cast for a month. You get to work out your muscles again. But for a first time your metaphorical hand doesn't feel like your hand at all.
In reverse the Dresden wizards find themselves in a hyper oxygenated environment.
Again though, that can't possibly be how it works. It cannot be a matter of pure energy, unless we get really ridiculous and assume that when Hermione conjuring birds or Dumbledore makes a chair, their throwing around an amount of power greater then most countries nuclear arsenals. The amount of energy needed to make matter is kind of huge and a classroom of students practicing conjuration would have to throw around enough eradicate life on earth to do what they do.
Furthermore, the theory of things being mostly made of magic fails, because A) most stuff in HP isn't made of magic (people are people, things are things, etc.) and B) the Nevernever in the DF is made of nothing but magic and that's not how things work there.
Even if it being a matter of the amount of magic in the environment, which, again, would be ridiculous--thousands and thousands and thousands of wizards using HP magic since the dawn of history? That's an unbelievable amount of power--it would be more like outer-space. There's not enough raw power on earth to last an HP wizard a minute if we assume he uses energy according to natural laws. Making a gram of matter takes energy on par with nuclear explosions--making a flock of fucking birds or a plush armchair? Oh my god.
'It's magic' may be lazy, but trying to explain what HP wizards do scientifically yields somewhat nightmarish results. Furthermore, if we assumed they drew energy from the environment, then given how magical energy in the environment works in the DF, HP wizards would still be many, many times stronger then DF wizards. If they can inhale nuclear explosions, getting the energy to rout and army would be trivial. This would yield bad results of its own.
Also, in regards to 'In reverse the Dresden wizards find themselves in a hyper oxygenated environment.'
Um...you realize this comparison means they'd be in a lethal environment, right? Oxygen Toxicity is really bad for you.
Furthermore, the theory of things being mostly made of magic fails, because A) most stuff in HP isn't made of magic (people are people, things are things, etc.) and B) the Nevernever in the DF is made of nothing but magic and that's not how things work there.
Even if it being a matter of the amount of magic in the environment, which, again, would be ridiculous--thousands and thousands and thousands of wizards using HP magic since the dawn of history? That's an unbelievable amount of power--it would be more like outer-space. There's not enough raw power on earth to last an HP wizard a minute if we assume he uses energy according to natural laws. Making a gram of matter takes energy on par with nuclear explosions--making a flock of fucking birds or a plush armchair? Oh my god.
'It's magic' may be lazy, but trying to explain what HP wizards do scientifically yields somewhat nightmarish results. Furthermore, if we assumed they drew energy from the environment, then given how magical energy in the environment works in the DF, HP wizards would still be many, many times stronger then DF wizards. If they can inhale nuclear explosions, getting the energy to rout and army would be trivial. This would yield bad results of its own.
Also, in regards to 'In reverse the Dresden wizards find themselves in a hyper oxygenated environment.'
Um...you realize this comparison means they'd be in a lethal environment, right? Oxygen Toxicity is really bad for you.
Yes, that was a plan, totally. There is no way I forgot it. Totally.
Ok. I forgot it.
But that would actually be a nifty reason for Dresdens not going there often.
As to being made of/saturated.
In canonical setting or if the cross was based on 'non connected waaaay back setting' like going through Veil of death, it would be silly.
However, what I'm trying to do is a fusion and some elements have to be streamlined, as being a slave to canon makes setting impossible
So potterverse being like Seireitei, and made of magic,a lesser evil. And not really impacting the plot if kept consistent.
Because potterverse as a magic setting is compatible with almost nothing.
Of course if we want to keep being more strict with sciency rule, I could use the power of belief warps reality and back it up with semi logical way, but that would also open another can of worms.
Here's how it can be explained with accordance to to dresdens' believ makes reality.
Ok. I forgot it.
But that would actually be a nifty reason for Dresdens not going there often.
As to being made of/saturated.
In canonical setting or if the cross was based on 'non connected waaaay back setting' like going through Veil of death, it would be silly.
However, what I'm trying to do is a fusion and some elements have to be streamlined, as being a slave to canon makes setting impossible
So potterverse being like Seireitei, and made of magic,a lesser evil. And not really impacting the plot if kept consistent.
Because potterverse as a magic setting is compatible with almost nothing.
Of course if we want to keep being more strict with sciency rule, I could use the power of belief warps reality and back it up with semi logical way, but that would also open another can of worms.
Here's how it can be explained with accordance to to dresdens' believ makes reality.