[Harry Potter]Miscellaneous ideas topic.

GenocideHeart

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Heheh, here it comes. As usual, I start it up with the first idea.

HP/Magic:the Gathering xover. What if the 'power which he knows not' is the Planeswalker's Spark?

Yes, that implies that Harry's potential compared to the rest of the Wizarding world is so huge it is almost unfunny - but that's all it is at the moment, POTENTIAL.

As Magic teaches, without either a proper teacher to teach him the Planeswalking ways, OR a major event, usually traumatic, awakening it, Harry's power will stay dormant.

Take the Green Planeswalker, Freyalise of Kjeldor... it took her death to trigger the Spark, literally. Others, like Jaya Ballard, Kjeldoran Taskmage, learned on their own, through sheer luck. And others still, like Karn, the Silver Golem of Urza's Legacy, were trained for that specific role by a 'Walker himself.

Harry would probably fit into one of the first two categories - traumatic event or dumb luck. And even then, without knowledge a 'Walker's power is wasted, so eventually Harry will have to seek greater knowledge, as even with a 'Walker's power, without knowing how it works he still can't deal with Voldemort.

Thoughts?

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FH_Meta

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I can not think of a better time to use :hail: this than now.

Also, the idea is absolutely wonderful to me.
 

Mighty Bob

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Already been done, by YamipaladinofChaos. Fic by the name of 'Artifical truth'. Perhaps not quite exactl what you meant, but it's pretty close. That being said, I really don't know enough about the history and lore of MtG to comment on idea, other than the fact that a MtG/HP crossover or fusion sounds damn awesome.
 

Prince Charon

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Not sure if this deserves its own topic, so its here:

Suppose that Ron had been killed by the enchanted chessmen in Philosopher's Stone. Harry and Hermione still advance, Hermione still solves the puzzle, and Harry still stops Quirrelmort from getting the Stone (that he couldn't have gotten, anyway, since he wanted to use it), but Ron is dead. Harry and Hermione have lost their best friend, the Weasleys have lost a son/brother, MacGonnagle has lost a student (to a trap she designed), and Dumbledore has lost either a student, or - if you want to go with Manipulative!Dumbledore - a potentially useful pawn.

How would this change what's left of Book One? Would Harry blow up at Dumbles, when he's told that "only someone who wanted to find the Stone, but not to use it" could have gotten it out of the mirror (which means that there was no need for Harry and the others to go down there, and no need for Ron's death)?

What about Book Two? Would the Weasleys still bother to rescue the kid who got their brother killed? Might Harry and Hermione pay more attention to Ginny, as I'm sure her surviving brothers would?
 

kingdark

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You may have a point there. the reason harry was so close with the weasley was largely because of Ron. if Ron isn't there, then i doubt his relation with the weasleys would increase.

If Ron died in first book, then there would be no reason for the weasleys to grow closer to Ron, after all harry hasn't seen any of the other weasleys except for the twin and bad ass Percy.

I think that Percy would hate harry, and the twins would be angry at first but eventually get over it.
 
#6
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Prince Charon said:
- if you want to go with Manipulative!Dumbledore - a potentially useful pawn.

How would this change what's left of Book One? Would Harry blow up at Dumbles, when he's told that "only someone who wanted to find the Stone, but not to use it" could have gotten it out of the mirror (which means that there was no need for Harry and the others to go down there, and no need for Ron's death)?
First, I really hate the Manipulative!Dumbledore fanon; it requires much more conscious intent to do harm than Dumbledore has ever been shown to possess; and it is generally backed up by very shaky evidence, if it is backed up at all.

Second, just as you said, if there was "no need for Harry and the others to go down there" then there was no need for Harry and the others to go down there, and they did anyway, risking their lives when they were repeatedly told not to get involved.

Anyway, if it's ruled an accident, it's hard to tell what'll take place between Harry and the Weasleys. Harry and Hermione's friendship, though, is likely to become strained and will probably break permanently at some point. Hermione will likely withdraw deeper and deeper into books and her studies; she at least will still have her parents in the muggle world. Harry will now be pretty much alone, if the rest of the Weasleys withdraw from him. No real idea what that'll lead to; it's impossible to predict.
 

kingdark

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If this scenario would play out then theres a big change we have a new dark lord on our hands: a la harry.
hated at home with the dursleys,
hated by his first best friend family
his remaining female friend ignores or dislikes him as well

where is a guy to turn to?

This would be a very dark story imo
 

Mighty Bob

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Not too much to say bou Prince Charon's idea really; beyond wondering what kinda hell Dumbledore might catch. Sure the kids went down there when they were told not to; but then they had good reason to believe the Stone was going to be stolen and every adult in a position of repsonsibility just poo-pooed them and ignored anything they said. There's also the fact that Dumbledore was using the school to store something for a friend with lethal traps. In a school. Seriously, if the principal of my high school had decided to store something for a friend and set up lethal traps and a student that was too curious snuffed it, there'd be a shitstorm. And there's also the fact that nobody would even know to be curious about the Third Floor corridor if Dumblefore hadn't made an announcement about it at the very start of term. Just use spells to make it impossible for students to break in and be done with it. As for the fallout in future books from being one Weasely short, I leave that to others to debate.

Anyways, what I'm really wondering about, is if anyone had any further thoughts on GH's MtG fusion/cross idea at the start of this thread. I'd completely forgotten bout it
 

SoftRogue

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Ok, a strange idea came to me today while concidering the state of Harry Potter crossover fics and I thought that I'd throw it out to the masses out here.

Harry is about five years old and he, like most children his age, has an imaginary friend. The fact that said imaginary friend looks weird, dresses funny, has a strange accent, and a really strange name doesn't bother Harry all that much. After all, according to his Aunt and Uncle Harry is a freak, so it makes sense that his imaginary friend is really weird as well.

For about a year or so, Harry and his imaginary friend play together; although most of the time their playing happens in Harry's dreams. While his imaginary friend isn't always around (especially some of the times that Harry would want him to be, like after Duddly first learned how to play 'Harry Hunting'); but the stories that his imaginary friend tells Harry capture his imagination.

His imaginary friend tells Harry about how his hand his friends are working hard to rebuild an Empire that was struck down by the forces of evil before it could truly begin. A great Empire that would have ruled over humanity with a benevolent hand and how under it's guiding principles there would be no more wars or hunger or anybody suffering like Harry did while living at the Dursleys.

However, hope still remains as Harry's imaginary friend tells how very soon he and his friends are beginning to make ready to strike back at the forces of evil. While they are still a few years away from reaching their goal, they are confident in their victory.

Harry, in his childlike innocences, begs his imaginary friend to take him with away so he to can help fight the forces of evil; after all, the bad guys must be like the Dursleys and should be stopped.

Imagine Harry's surprise when, a few days later, his imaginary friend shows up for real with another person; a really big man in a trenchcoat. His imaginary friend takes Harry away from #4 Privet Drive while the man stays behind a bit to; according to Harry's imaginary friend, 'take care of loose ends'.

Sounds like an intresting start to the story perhaps?

Oh...in case you are wondering about Harry's imaginary friend and his name...

It's Junior Warrant Officer Schr÷dinger.

:huh!:
 

Dassadec

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SoftRogue said:
Ok, a strange idea came to me today while concidering the state of Harry Potter crossover fics and I thought that I'd throw it out to the masses out here.

Harry is about five years old and he, like most children his age, has an imaginary friend. The fact that said imaginary friend looks weird, dresses funny, has a strange accent, and a really strange name doesn't bother Harry all that much. After all, according to his Aunt and Uncle Harry is a freak, so it makes sense that his imaginary friend is really weird as well.

For about a year or so, Harry and his imaginary friend play together; although most of the time their playing happens in Harry's dreams. While his imaginary friend isn't always around (especially some of the times that Harry would want him to be, like after Duddly first learned how to play 'Harry Hunting'); but the stories that his imaginary friend tells Harry capture his imagination.
Harry's imaginary friend could be "Drop Dead Fred" though... enter: "Crazy" Harry. :headbanger:

Another possiblility is that the Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends is a real place because young wizards and witches often have their accidental magic bring their imaginary friends to life.
 

SoftRogue

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Dassadec said:
Harry's imaginary friend could be "Drop Dead Fred" though... enter: "Crazy" Harry.? :headbanger:

Another possiblility is that the Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends is a real place because young wizards and witches often have their accidental magic bring their imaginary friends to life.
Um...I think you missed the point.

The idea was to have a Harry Potter raised by Millennium. In other words, a fully indoctrinated Nazi that is loyal to a group of vampires that plan to raise England to the ground.

In other words, this idea isn't a 'nice-happy' concept. No 'cutesy' or 'crazy' happinings; no 'wacky hijinks'. This is a blood-bath.

Part of the idea came to me was that Grindelwald (the Dark Lord that Dumbledore defeated) has been portraied as being connected to Nazi Germany by many fanfics (and J.K.R. herself has alluded to that connection). It's also fact that Hitler had an obsession with the occult. Therefor, since Millennium was knee deep in vampires and werewolves it wouldn't surprise me if they also had dark wizards in their ranks.

In other words, while the Major and Co. are facing Hellsing; Harry Potter is showing the Wizarding world what the 'Power He Knows Not' is...mainly, a Harry Potter, seeped in dark magic and backed by a Platoon of 'Werewolves'.
 

Dassadec

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SoftRogue said:
Um...I think you missed the point.

The idea was to have a Harry Potter raised by Millennium. In other words, a fully indoctrinated Nazi that is loyal to a group of vampires that plan to raise England to the ground.

In other words, this idea isn't a 'nice-happy' concept. No 'cutesy' or 'crazy' happinings; no 'wacky hijinks'. This is a blood-bath.

Part of the idea came to me was that Grindelwald (the Dark Lord that Dumbledore defeated) has been portraied as being connected to Nazi Germany by many fanfics (and J.K.R. herself has alluded to that connection). It's also fact that Hitler had an obsession with the occult. Therefor, since Millennium was knee deep in vampires and werewolves it wouldn't surprise me if they also had dark wizards in their ranks.

In other words, while the Major and Co. are facing Hellsing; Harry Potter is showing the Wizarding world what the 'Power He Knows Not' is...mainly, a Harry Potter, seeped in dark magic and backed by a Platoon of 'Werewolves'.
Actually I took your idea and twisted it to my own nefarious ends. If you read about "Drop Dead Fred," you learn that in the Dursley environment he could easily come into being.
Drop Dead Fred
 

Dassadec

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Prince Charon said:
Not sure if this deserves its own topic, so its here:

Suppose that Ron had been killed by the enchanted chessmen in Philosopher's Stone. Harry and Hermione still advance, Hermione still solves the puzzle, and Harry still stops Quirrelmort from getting the Stone (that he couldn't have gotten, anyway, since he wanted to use it), but Ron is dead. Harry and Hermione have lost their best friend, the Weasleys have lost a son/brother, MacGonnagle has lost a student (to a trap she designed), and Dumbledore has lost either a student, or - if you want to go with Manipulative!Dumbledore - a potentially useful pawn.

How would this change what's left of Book One? Would Harry blow up at Dumbles, when he's told that "only someone who wanted to find the Stone, but not to use it" could have gotten it out of the mirror (which means that there was no need for Harry and the others to go down there, and no need for Ron's death)?

What about Book Two? Would the Weasleys still bother to rescue the kid who got their brother killed? Might Harry and Hermione pay more attention to Ginny, as I'm sure her surviving brothers would?
Of course in Book 2, you would also have to deal with how Harry overcomes the Barrier blockage at King's Cross caused by Dobby. Ron wouldn't be there to suggest the use of the Weasley car if he was with the Weasleys over the summer. And if not with the Weasleys, just what kind of trouble can Harry get up to on his own or with someone else?
 

zeebee1

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Unless you changed the timeline Hellsing would basically be invincible. They would still have Alucard, and Seras would probably have mastered her powers.
 

Moshulel

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zeebee1 said:
Unless you changed the timeline Hellsing would basically be invincible. They would still have Alucard, and Seras would probably have mastered her powers.
You'd just have to play it on the Seras card. Will she be willing to kill a child like that? He's still human and his actions are justified by the way he grew up, so it can prove to be quite a moral dilemma. And do you honestly see Alucard as not taking advantage of this? More fun for him if nothing else.
 

SotF

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zeebee1 said:
Unless you changed the timeline Hellsing would basically be invincible. They would still have Alucard, and Seras would probably have mastered her powers.
Against a dark mage, they may not be quite as invincible though, especially if Voldemort is still around which could mean that no matter what they do they may be unable to kill Harry as he goes on a rampage.
 

Cheifhotrod

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After playing some of my Onimusha games, I thought what if Voldemort was dumb enough to release the Genma back into the world. Harry then chosen by the Oni tribe to to become the new Onimusha.
 

fitzgerald

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GenocideHeart said:
Harry would probably fit into one of the first two categories - traumatic event or dumb luck. And even then, without knowledge a 'Walker's power is wasted, so eventually Harry will have to seek greater knowledge, as even with a 'Walker's power, without knowing how it works he still can't deal with Voldemort.

Thoughts?
Well for the whole traumatic event sparking Harry's plane walking abilities I can think of several possibilities. Each of which of course could lead to Harry favoring different mana sources.


1) Black!Harry: The killing curse Voldemort used on baby Harry worked. Unfortunately for V Harry's spark activated and his magic lashed out vaporizing V's body.

The next ten years of suffering tie Harry heavily to black magics and he starts forming a connection to the polluted and decaying industrial land around Little Whinging (black sources don't have to be swamps in the modern world :] ). Of course Harry still has no idea of how to actually be a Walker until *Plot Point Here* occurs.

2) Green!Harry: Who knew being poisoned by a thousand year old basilisk then being healed by a phoenix would cause such a change to our young hero. He's not only able to talk to snakes now, somehow Harry's gained a deeper connection to every creature both common and magical.

Though Harry now has conformation that Hedwig not only understands him, she's more than willing to order Harry about plus spill all the gossip.

On the plus side however being able to have Ripper chase Dudley around is making Aunt Marge's visit all the more bearable.

3) White!Harry: Harry's Patronus charm that took out the Dementors wasn't supposed to vaporize them from this plane. Fortunately for Harry Dumbledore is still providing an alibi, and the old coot is muttering about something spiritualism.

4) Blue!Harry: Something clicked when Hermione used the Time Turner to help him save Sirius. Harry didn't notice until part way through the summer but suddenly he's been able to manipulate time on by willing it to happen. Sure it may leave him drained, but its been getting easier with time.

5) Red!Harry: Darned if I can think of anything at the moment

Ciao
 

jbcarpen

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5) red Harry
This one needs to wait until a little later in the series, Harry doesn't manage to dodge the horntails breath weapon, instead it hits him full on... leaving him unharmed.
 
#20
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Cheifhotrod said:
After playing some of my Onimusha games, I thought what if Voldemort was dumb enough to release the Genma back into the world. Harry then chosen by the Oni tribe to to become the new Onimusha.
yes he woul... :sisi: I believe if he's bright enough to mess with inferni and horucruxes then in the pursuit of power then if the could he would mess with the Genma... though itd be interesting if it had ties to the events in Onimusha 3
 

SirBino

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I've never played any of the Onimusha games, so when I saw "release the Genma" I was thinking about Ranma's father. Could be a good crackfic if Voldie did a ritual to release the Genma, thinking he could control it, and ended up with Saotome instead.
 

Mighty Bob

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First, cause I can't write yet really love the idea of a MtG crossover with pretty much anything on this board: I hope someone takes up the idea GH started this thread with.


Anyways, was wasting time on /b/ and they had an Urban legends thread going on. Someone along the way started posting the various Holders and then someone posted the link to a site listing (most of) them. I don't think they all fit the general theme that was built up in the first nine, and they don't list all 538 (which woulda taken forever I'm sure) And some of em are...disquieting (like the Holder of Innocence. :sick: ) But overall I'd think using the overall theme would be something a helluva lot cooler than a Horcrux Hunt. Or something that Harry and co get involved in while out looking for Horcruxes.

Any ideas on using the Holders and their Objects for a story?
 
#23
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Okay, this is an idea I've been kicking around for a while now. It's nothing fancy:

A trial of British Wizardry and Witchcraft, featuring Harry Potter and Hermione Granger, representing Hogwarts; Negi Springfield and (Anya? Nekane?), for the Meridiana Magic School; and others (Those are the only two I know of, i'm afraid).

Who shall triumph? The Boy-Who-Lived? The son of The Thousand Master? Some dark horse entrance?
 

zeebee1

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#24
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A trial? So they're goin to court?
 
#25
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Nah, more like the Tri-Wizard Tournament.

The actual trials can be created by the writer.


Although, the idea of Harry Potter being found guilty of being a whiney emo in a trial of his peers is rather appealing.
 
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