Have we Flanderized Batman?
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Yes Batman has been overly flanderized but then again so has almost all the rest of the iconic DC characters. One thing that I find damn irritating about Batman currently is how many times when he gets written, he almost always prepared despite for whatever situation that the author happens to be throwing him into.
It doesn't matter if he's confronting some Gothem criminal, a new meta, or a cosmically infused being from another galaxy, he almost always have just what he needs to win. and his enemies are always worked in such a way that he will win no matter how silly such a win would be.
It doesn't matter if he's confronting some Gothem criminal, a new meta, or a cosmically infused being from another galaxy, he almost always have just what he needs to win. and his enemies are always worked in such a way that he will win no matter how silly such a win would be.
Dude, Batman could get a Green Lantern ring if he really wanted. (It's not like the GL Corps hasn't recruited far worse...) He doesn't want one. He doesn't want to depend on anything that could potentially be taken away from him or broken.
While the utility belt is something he can also be disarmed of, he knows he can still function without it. Power armor, OTOH... the sort of fights you really need power armor to compete in are the same sort of fights where you get instantly smeared if you lose your suit.
While the utility belt is something he can also be disarmed of, he knows he can still function without it. Power armor, OTOH... the sort of fights you really need power armor to compete in are the same sort of fights where you get instantly smeared if you lose your suit.
JL business can occur at any random time without warning.
Besides, its not like A-list superteams don't have room for martial artists/strategists. When he was an active Avenger, Cap could check anything out of the SHIELD arsenal that he felt like hauling, on up to and including Mandroid battle armor. Does he bother? Nope. Why? Doesn't need to, he already has the skills to pay the bills without loading up on heavy weapons in addition.
Besides, its not like A-list superteams don't have room for martial artists/strategists. When he was an active Avenger, Cap could check anything out of the SHIELD arsenal that he felt like hauling, on up to and including Mandroid battle armor. Does he bother? Nope. Why? Doesn't need to, he already has the skills to pay the bills without loading up on heavy weapons in addition.
While I agree it would be fun to see batman go through the JLA trophy room and make a suit out of captured villians weapons. It just won't happen. Like it was stated before batman, the official batman not "possible future batman" or "elseworlds batman", won't make a suit for 2 reasons because it'll put him in the iron man and Steel category and move him away from the best of mankind category.
Also he wouldn't use it for normal operations because of weapons escalation. If he puts on power armor the crooks throw away their tommyguns and will start bringing lasers and weapons that can demolish building because otherwise the story won't be fun anymore just a curbstomp. That means more innocents killed by stray shots.
Knowing the batman plotlines someone would just end up stealing it anyway.
Also he wouldn't use it for normal operations because of weapons escalation. If he puts on power armor the crooks throw away their tommyguns and will start bringing lasers and weapons that can demolish building because otherwise the story won't be fun anymore just a curbstomp. That means more innocents killed by stray shots.
Knowing the batman plotlines someone would just end up stealing it anyway.
Just because comic book peak humans go against global threats with just their skills all the time in comics doesn't mean it makes sense.
Let's face it those two should have been slaughtered a long time ago.
Mind you, it is comics so we are expected to roll with it. However if you actually analyze the situation, you realize they really shouldn't be in the type of fights that involve people that can send you into space with a punch.
Let's face it those two should have been slaughtered a long time ago.
Mind you, it is comics so we are expected to roll with it. However if you actually analyze the situation, you realize they really shouldn't be in the type of fights that involve people that can send you into space with a punch.
Ultimate Cap is metahuman. Mainstream Cap is peak human, not meta. Batman's physicality is circa 90-95% of that due to lifelong training, and he has his wits, utility belt, and exotic martial arts to help fill in gaps. Remember, the DCU is the place where knowing enough freaky kung fu is a superpower by itself, even more than Marvel.
Look, there's a reason that the two of them in 'JLA vs. Avengers' basically went 'Yeah, Cap, you'd likely win if we went at it bare hands, but I'm close enough that the fight would drag out forever, and neither of us has that much time to waste. So how's about we skip that and go find the real villain?' 'Sounds good.'
Yeah, sure, we can debate all day which of them edges out the other one. That's not the point right now. The point is, exceptional humans can survive A-list superteams on pure skills and minor gadget loads, and they're both living proof.
Edit: There was also a period of time in the 90s, immediately after 'Streets of Poison', where Cap had temporarily lost the Super-Soldier Serum and had only his training and physical conditioning. He still did fine as an Avenger.
Look, there's a reason that the two of them in 'JLA vs. Avengers' basically went 'Yeah, Cap, you'd likely win if we went at it bare hands, but I'm close enough that the fight would drag out forever, and neither of us has that much time to waste. So how's about we skip that and go find the real villain?' 'Sounds good.'
Yeah, sure, we can debate all day which of them edges out the other one. That's not the point right now. The point is, exceptional humans can survive A-list superteams on pure skills and minor gadget loads, and they're both living proof.
Edit: There was also a period of time in the 90s, immediately after 'Streets of Poison', where Cap had temporarily lost the Super-Soldier Serum and had only his training and physical conditioning. He still did fine as an Avenger.