Akamatsuverse Hetero Trap Keitaro *CRACK*

Ordo

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#26
Heh...all right, back on topic.

It's been awhile since I gave an serious considerations to the characters of Love Hina, that said my initial gut reaction is...

Shinobu would likely be torn. On the one hand Keitaro makes a great big sis/bro, but on the other hand she does find herself attracted to him. So she's left to wonder if she's attracted to his outward persona, or the person he is inside.

Su-chan would probably treat Keitaro the same as before.

Kitsune might see Keitaro's antics as amusing and a source of income but I see her adjusting to this fairly fast.

Motoko might be insulted that a man would try to emulate a woman. At least at first. Whether that changes over time I leave to the author

Naru....well I don't think she's going to take this well at all. First impression are very important with Naru. Screw them up and you could find yourself pidgeon-holed as a jerk fo 10-15 bound manga volumes.

As for Sara, just change her Dork to Crossdresser/trap/pervert etc and you've got her take on the situation.
 

holyknight

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#27
Ordo said:
Heh...all right, back on topic.

It's been awhile since I gave an serious considerations to the characters of Love Hina, that said my initial gut reaction is...

Shinobu would likely be torn. On the one hand Keitaro makes a great big sis/bro, but on the other hand she does find herself attracted to him. So she's left to wonder if she's attracted to his outward persona, or the person he is inside.

Su-chan would probably treat Keitaro the same as before.

Kitsune might see Keitaro's antics as amusing and a source of income but I see her adjusting to this fairly fast.

Motoko might be insulted that a man would try to emulate a woman. At least at first. Whether that changes over time I leave to the author

Naru....well I don't think she's going to take this well at all. First impression are very important with Naru. Screw them up and you could find yourself pidgeon-holed as a jerk fo 10-15 bound manga volumes.

As for Sara, just change her Dork to Crossdresser/trap/pervert etc and you've got her take on the situation.
....as you know, crossdressing its something that gets some jap chicks REAL crazy........ :evil2:

Add, that Motoko would be oddly torn.....as she sees a young man.....well....NOT acting like a man....and looking MORE like a woman than her.

Naru? I bet a hundred bucks that she's a closet perv for cross-dressing guys. Hard to keep the image when she suddenly has her guilty wet dream living on the same site.....
 
#28
I wouldn't be surprised if Mutsumi was unchanged in the slightest. After all, if she had no problem with being in a threesome with Keitaro and Naru, I don't see why she'd be against Trap-taro.
 

kevinasher

Well-Known Member
#29
GenocideHeart said:
Lord Raine said:
Actually, the baths are mixed, according to the official map. They walked in on him.

Isn't the double-standard lovely? :/
Except that the Hinatasou was no longer an inn, but a girls-only dorm, which means males being there was just plain illegal, period, no matter what the map says.

Claiming ignorance is a poor excuse when the entrance to the Hinatasou has a big honking sign saying it's now a girls dorm. Keitaro should have paid more attention there, as much as I'd like to blame Naru, I can't say her reaction to finding a MALE in a girls' dorm bath was unjustified. Everything else that followed those events was unjustified, but the first reaction? Understandable.
I suppose its illegal for a man to own and run with his wife an all-girls dorm within his home? If it isn't, and a case can be made that since at the end of the manga since nobody made an effort to enforce it, it wasn't an issue, then the map still stands. If, however, it IS illegal, well, then your argument stands. But IIRC, he was living in his all-girls dormitory with his wife at the end of the manga. Err... his fiancee. It's splitting hairs on an atomic level, but same idea, since they are married at the end and he wasn't carted off in the party van...
 

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
#30
kevinasher said:
GenocideHeart said:
Lord Raine said:
Actually, the baths are mixed, according to the official map. They walked in on him.

Isn't the double-standard lovely? :/
Except that the Hinatasou was no longer an inn, but a girls-only dorm, which means males being there was just plain illegal, period, no matter what the map says.

Claiming ignorance is a poor excuse when the entrance to the Hinatasou has a big honking sign saying it's now a girls dorm. Keitaro should have paid more attention there, as much as I'd like to blame Naru, I can't say her reaction to finding a MALE in a girls' dorm bath was unjustified. Everything else that followed those events was unjustified, but the first reaction? Understandable.
I suppose its illegal for a man to own and run with his wife an all-girls dorm within his home? If it isn't, and a case can be made that since at the end of the manga since nobody made an effort to enforce it, it wasn't an issue, then the map still stands. If, however, it IS illegal, well, then your argument stands. But IIRC, he was living in his all-girls dormitory with his wife at the end of the manga. Err... his fiancee. It's splitting hairs on an atomic level, but same idea, since they are married at the end and he wasn't carted off in the party van...
You know... if it was actually illegal...

Hina has a lot to answer for, as she pushed him unwillingly on those girls and even led him there on false pretenses.

EDIT: I suppose it could be said, since she deeded it to him, that it would also be the fault of the government officials that handled the transfer.
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#31
In canon Hina made Keitaro the manager so there was nothing anyone could do. But in this one he came on his own. He doesn't have the owner of the inn to keep him there. Though this does leave the place without a manager.
 

Ryogas_BF

Well-Known Member
#32
:sweat2: Bringing the realism in a bit much now... getting into the legal issues of a 'wacky harem' plot twist. besides I don't think there is any legal issues with a male landlord of an all girls dorm, I don't see why there would be *shrug* Property law is hardly a strong suit but a male owning the deed and being responsible for the upkeep of a building with female residents (most of which regularly pay rent unless the plot)

I like the snippets thus far, interested to see where it goes.
 

kevinasher

Well-Known Member
#33
Point is, the baths were a mixed bath, with the assumption of Hina's male relatives would never ever ever visit, which seems like a terrible assumption to me. Sure, the arrangement that set up didn't make it suggest that it'd happen, but would you really expect an old woman's grandson to never see her? Certain circumstances would suggest no, but generally speaking, I'd think not seeing a grandparent in two years is just expecting to have them visit, with no other information...

Anyway, I'd be interested in how Naru validates her dissaproval. Motoko will probably not even take notice of it most of the time because Keitaro would have what could be considered perverted behaviors, its not as though he's exposing himself as a male to his tenants. He's actually trying to do the reverse, which, in my mind, would intrigue Motoko more than anger her. Kitsune will likely get a big kick out of the whole thing... Might even help him out with some outfits. Would be hard to filch from him I imagine, but the help with clothes might be the exchange item... Naru'd probably be mad that he's getting as much attention as her, once she realizes she wants attention from guys.

I guess there is always the question of how far does Keitaro take his cross-dressing? Is it just dressing, or does he make any efforts to act effeminate as well? He is het, so he only takes it so far, I'm sure, but how far is that?
 

Prince Charon

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#34
kevinasher said:
GenocideHeart said:
Lord Raine said:
Actually, the baths are mixed, according to the official map. They walked in on him.

Isn't the double-standard lovely? :/
Except that the Hinatasou was no longer an inn, but a girls-only dorm, which means males being there was just plain illegal, period, no matter what the map says.

Claiming ignorance is a poor excuse when the entrance to the Hinatasou has a big honking sign saying it's now a girls dorm. Keitaro should have paid more attention there, as much as I'd like to blame Naru, I can't say her reaction to finding a MALE in a girls' dorm bath was unjustified. Everything else that followed those events was unjustified, but the first reaction? Understandable.
I suppose its illegal for a man to own and run with his wife an all-girls dorm within his home? If it isn't, and a case can be made that since at the end of the manga since nobody made an effort to enforce it, it wasn't an issue, then the map still stands. If, however, it IS illegal, well, then your argument stands. But IIRC, he was living in his all-girls dormitory with his wife at the end of the manga. Err... his fiancee. It's splitting hairs on an atomic level, but same idea, since they are married at the end and he wasn't carted off in the party van...
I could be wrong, but I think GH might mean 'illegal' in the sense of 'against the rules', rather than 'against the law'.
 

kevinasher

Well-Known Member
#35
Prince Charon said:
kevinasher said:
GenocideHeart said:
Lord Raine said:
Actually, the baths are mixed, according to the official map. They walked in on him.

Isn't the double-standard lovely? :/
Except that the Hinatasou was no longer an inn, but a girls-only dorm, which means males being there was just plain illegal, period, no matter what the map says.

Claiming ignorance is a poor excuse when the entrance to the Hinatasou has a big honking sign saying it's now a girls dorm. Keitaro should have paid more attention there, as much as I'd like to blame Naru, I can't say her reaction to finding a MALE in a girls' dorm bath was unjustified. Everything else that followed those events was unjustified, but the first reaction? Understandable.
I suppose its illegal for a man to own and run with his wife an all-girls dorm within his home? If it isn't, and a case can be made that since at the end of the manga since nobody made an effort to enforce it, it wasn't an issue, then the map still stands. If, however, it IS illegal, well, then your argument stands. But IIRC, he was living in his all-girls dormitory with his wife at the end of the manga. Err... his fiancee. It's splitting hairs on an atomic level, but same idea, since they are married at the end and he wasn't carted off in the party van...
I could be wrong, but I think GH might mean 'illegal' in the sense of 'against the rules', rather than 'against the law'.
Its possible that I've never heard of illegal meaning against the rules as opposed to against the law, but whatever... The point still stands. Keitaro had every right to visit Hina at the Sou and since the baths WERE a mixed bath when the building was an inn and the only thing that changed was the regular clientelle, the baths were still a mixed bath. Naru DID also grope Keitaro before he touched her... She has the right to be mad at herself and the situation; not Keitaro. Keitaro was guilty of not noticing the all girls dorm sign, but Naru woulda popped Keitaro even if he met her in the living room and they both were clothed.
 

mswolfe17

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#36
Continued from last snippet

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*Ten minutes Later*

ôYou want me to what?ö Keitaro squawked?

Haruka rolled her eyes, ôI just need you to go out and buy a few things for me at the nearby grocery store.ö

The faux-woman put his hands up in front of his chest. ôI don't really know this area that well any more Haruka-san. It's been quite a few years since I lived here after all.ö

The smoker then tried a different approach, ôThen what better way to get reacquainted with the town then by exploring it a littler. Look, I really don't think I'm asking too much of you, you know.ö

Kei relented, ôNo...no, you're right, I'll go. You're right about that other thing too, if I'm going to be living here for a bit, then I should probably know how to get around. But before I go, is there anywhere that I can put my stuff?ö He lifted up the suitcase to emphasize the question.

Haruka blinked, ôHuh? Oh yeah, you can put your suitcase down right by the back door over here.ô She then walked over to a nearby table counter and fetched a piece of paper and a pencil, and began to write on it.

ôHere's some money, and a list of the things I need you to get. Make sure you get it all, okay?ö

ôYeah, yeah, I'll get everything on the list. I sure hope the town hasn't changed too much since I've moved away. Wish me luck.ö Kei-chan groaned.

ôYou'll be fine. Get going already.ö His cousin rebuked bluntly

As Keitaro made his way out the door of the Tea house, sans luggage, his shoulders were slumped, but to an almost unnoticeable degree. If Haruka wasn't already used to her relatives' little habits, she might have felt a little bad. But none-the-less, she sighed deeply and took her apron off.

'Now I've got some time to let the girls know about Keitaro so that it's not a total surprise.' She mused to herself.

*Twenty Minutes Later*

ôSo what's up, Haruka, what did you want to talk to all of us about.ö

ôAlright, here goes. I know I don't talk about my family that much, so I don't even know if you know I have a cousin, but he needs a place to stay.ö

The words were already out of Naru's mouth by the time the older woman stopped speaking.ôNo. No, no no no no no, and an extra helping of no. There will be no males staying in this house, not a chance in hell!ö

ôOh come on! You haven't even met him yet, don't make a decision like that so fast!ö Haruka protested.

ôDon't we already know he's a man? That's enough information for me.ö

ôYeah, I agree with Naru-senpai, this is a girls' dormitory. Who knows what would happen if some lecherous man were to stay here. He'd probably end up trying to take advantage of each and everyone of us.ö Motoko concurred earnestly.

ôWell see, there's a certain reason why something like that would never happen with Keitaro. His mom, my aunt, is a fairly unusual mother...ö She trailed off.

ôWhat exactly does that have to do with anything.ö

ôDue to his upbringing, Keitaro wears only womens' clothes- ô

Naru interrupted, ôSo wait, you're saying that your nephew is a cross-dressing pervert? You're really not helping your case here at all.ö

ôNo, it's not really cross-dressing. Not to him anyways. Wearing girls' clothes is as natural to him as it is to any of you. Far more natural then wearing mens' clothing anyways. I can't really describe what he looks like and have you believe me so I'll wait until he gets back.ö

ôBefore then, I have a question. Is he gay then, if he dresses like a girl all the time? I know a few guys who do that.ö Kitsune inquired with a cheerful expression on her face.

ôAs far as I know, he's perfectly heterosexual. Remember, he was brought up believing that wearing girl's clothing was normal for him, but he's not a girl mentally.ö

ôDoesn't that mean that he'd be just as perverted as any other man?ö Naru wondered out loud.

ôKei-chan is a little bizarre that way. Because he has to go through what a lot of girls go through in public areas, he's got basically the same perspective most of you do on perverts.ö Haruka explained

ôWhat do you mean, the same perspective?ö Kitsune asked.

The older woman went into more detail,ôWell, he doesn't like it when I tell stories like this, but often strangers will try to grope him in a crowded place, like a subway or an elevator." The girls twitched a little at that strange statement.

"He totally hates it, just like any of you would if it happened to you.ö

ôBut...but he's still a man after all!ö Naru protested once again, with an agreeing nod from Motoko.

ôOne night, Narusegawa, just give him one night, okay? If he does anything to you, or to any other girl here, he'll be out on his ass before he can blink.ö Haruka bargained in the closest thing she'd probably ever have to a pleading tone of voice.

ôI'll hold you to that, ya know.ö The Todai examinee let out reluctantly.

*end snippet*


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Fixed

Again, a little longer then before, hopefully that becomes a trend with me. :p

Like the snippet before, I wrote this dialogue first, then wrote everything else after wards, so it might seem a little strange. Please let me know if anyone has trouble reading it, or finds something wrong with it so far.
 

GenocideHeart

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#39
kevinasher said:
I suppose its illegal for a man to own and run with his wife an all-girls dorm within his home? If it isn't, and a case can be made that since at the end of the manga since nobody made an effort to enforce it, it wasn't an issue, then the map still stands. If, however, it IS illegal, well, then your argument stands. But IIRC, he was living in his all-girls dormitory with his wife at the end of the manga. Err... his fiancee. It's splitting hairs on an atomic level, but same idea, since they are married at the end and he wasn't carted off in the party van...
It's not illegal for a man to run an all girls dorm. It is, however, illegal for a man to enter the premises of a dorm without any of the denizens' explicit consent, and it's definitely illegal for them to enter the baths (which, since this was now a GIRLS ONLY dorm, were obviously GIRLS ONLY baths).

You can't have mixed baths when males just plain aren't allowed on the premises - and regardless, legal regulations for single-sex spas and dormitories in Japan explicitly state the opposite sex isn't allowed in the bath area of one gender regardless of whether they have permission to be in the public area or not, with penal consequences if they do, IE arrest.

Yes, that goes for the owners too. Just because you own the place doesn't mean you are allowed to walk in on your (mostly underage) girl proteges. That's a CRIME, period. In fact, I'm amazed Keitaro didn't get vanned at all, since the girls COULD have pressed charges if they wanted to - the fact it was not voluntary is not an excuse, as in that case the key is that he caused them emotional distress. And yes, that's enough to get you charged with obscene acts even in Japan.

You know... if it was actually illegal...

Hina has a lot to answer for, as she pushed him unwillingly on those girls and even led him there on false pretenses.
Unfortunately, Keitaro can't charge her for leading him on OR for making him their manager, since the former was a generic promise of lodging and food, and the latter was her exercising her right to nominate a stand-in manager as her replacement. However, she could very well be brought to court over charges of intentionally putting Keitaro in harm's way, since she was blatantly and admittedly aware that the girls were violently hostile to men, at least one had a habit of carrying a lethal weapon, and they wouldn't take kindly to a man on premise regardless of if it was legally done or not.

Bringing the realism in a bit much now... getting into the legal issues of a 'wacky harem' plot twist. besides I don't think there is any legal issues with a male landlord of an all girls dorm, I don't see why there would be *shrug* Property law is hardly a strong suit but a male owning the deed and being responsible for the upkeep of a building with female residents (most of which regularly pay rent unless the plot)
The problem isn't a male landlord of a girls' dorm, it's a male who IS NOT YET THE LANDLORD and indeed nobody even knew was coming being caught in the bath area of a girls-only building. Opposite sexes are not allowed to even enter a building designed to be used by only one gender without explicit permission from at least the owner AND without the denizens being informed beforehand. That can get you arrested, so yes, it's illegal, enough splitting hairs. At that point in time, even in canon, Keitaro was guilty as sin, and being distracted is not an excuse. If all you had to do when you commit a crime by accident was say 'I'm sorry', what the fuck would courts and trials be for, huh?
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#40
GenocideHeart said:
If all you had to do when you commit a crime by accident was say 'I'm sorry', what the fuck would courts and trials be for, huh?
Works for Berlusconi :p
 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
#41
Justice comes in the form of errant souvenirs.
 

Meinos Kaen

Well-Known Member
#42
Lord Raa said:
GenocideHeart said:
If all you had to do when you commit a crime by accident was say 'I'm sorry', what the fuck would courts and trials be for, huh?
Works for Berlusconi :p
Now you know why me and GH prefer to spend our life on the internet. XD At least here, everyone is equal. There's no justice, just Anarchy!
 

GenocideHeart

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#43
Meinos Kaen said:
Now you know why me and GH prefer to spend our life on the internet. XD At least here, everyone is equal.
Quoted for the fucking truth. Sadly. :no:
 
#44
mswolfe17 said:
ôWell see, there's a certain reason why something like that would never happen with Keitaro. His mom, my sister, is apparently is a fairly unusual mother...ö
Keitaro and Haruka are cousins, though. Keitaro's mom is Haruka's aunt, not sister.
 
#45
Kinda reminds me of This Manga.

Keitaro and Haruka are cousins, though. Keitaro's mom is Haruka's aunt, not sister.
I don't remember that in the manga, though it does make sense I can't see Hina having any kid as young as Haruka
 
#46
Master of Squirrel-Fu said:
Keitaro and Haruka are cousins, though. Keitaro's mom is Haruka's aunt, not sister.
I don't remember that in the manga, though it does make sense I can't see Hina having any kid as young as Haruka
It never came up in the manga itself, though in the novels it's explained precisely why Haruka keeps beating Keitaro upside the head whenever he calls her his aunt: he's mistaking her for her mother, who died some time before the series began.

There's a topic on it right here on TFF.
 

windfalcon

Well-Known Member
#47
Hmm... nice job Wolfe. In all honesty, I woulda liked to see Haruka ask if her relative Kei could stay without revealing he was a man at first, but having her do it before hand does cause fewer difficulties and misunderstandings.

Nice job, please keep it up.
 

DhampyrX2

Well-Known Member
#48
Well in aff fairness to Keitaro, Hina DID adopt Haruka as a daughter after her mom died. Why Hina couldn't just raise her as her grandmother I don't know, but technically Haruka is his both aunt and his cousin.
 

mswolfe17

Well-Known Member
#49
DhampyrX2 said:
Well in aff fairness to Keitaro, Hina DID adopt Haruka as a daughter after her mom died.? Why Hina couldn't just raise her as her grandmother I don't know, but technically Haruka is his both aunt and his cousin.
Soooo... should I go back and edit it or not?

:huh.:

I spend all day getting ready to edit it while I was at work, and then I come online to find that I technically was wrong and right at the same time. :headbanger:
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#50
If Haruka doesn't want to be viewed as an old bag you'd better edit it.
 
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