How might Squaresoft/Squenix not suck.

trevelyan1983 · May 17, 2007

Quoting myself in an e-mail to a good friend just this evening. Square are content to spend more time on FMV development and Bishounen design than they are on useless crap like plot, character development and storyline, recently.

They also think they're being clever by updating their old junk on new systems and charging full price for it. The three games above are ones that I'd gladly pay money for, but FF games? I'm about ready to start playing frisbee with the damned things.

Opinions? Comments? Rebuttals? Games you'd like to see reclaimed from the mists of time?

AWJ · May 17, 2007

If they're going to crank out remakes, then remake something other than Final Fantasy. Like the other two SFC Romancing SaGa games...

GenocideHeart · May 17, 2007

For starters, make Final Fantasy REALLY FINAL. The series has gotten stale.

Also, KILL THE FUCKING BISHIE GENDER-AMBIGUOUS MAINS. WITH NAPALM AND AGENT ORANGE. If I see ONE more ambiguous looking FF main character, I swear I'll do something unpleasant involving a red hot poker and the asses of Square-Enix's staff.

Next, remakes of Star Ocean, Romancing SaGa 2 and 3 and, more importantly, Secret of Evermore, which was made of Win and God more than all Final Fantasies together.

That will be a good start.

shout27 · May 17, 2007

Remake of BOF3 would be absolutely awesome on PS3. nuffsaid.

Scygnus Darkhawk · May 17, 2007

The popularity of VII ruined the series, I think. The games after aren't bad... but none of them have surpassed VI in my estimation. VII is a close second, of course, though I'm an old fanboy. And a remake of VII would please me greatly. I'm also an Aeris fanboy, so if they did, they had damn well better put the revival trick back in.

And yeah, Secret of Evermore was good... but a bit difficult. Finding alchemy ingredients was a pain in the ass. I was playing it on emulator too, and for some reason the damn thing would freeze all the time. Never made it very far.

I also wouldn't mind seeing a remake... a GOOD remake, not like the ones they're putting out now in the series... of Secret of Mana, or Seiken Densetsu 2 if you prefer. SD3 would also be good to see... I still say it had one of the most badass character and classing systems of all time.

And I still wanna play the original Star Ocean... though those games are too damn difficult, it seems. The only way I was able to beat 2 is by cheating my ass off with Forged Medals to level 99, and I nearly didn't beat the final boss even though I was level 120 when I fought him. I got frustrated with 3 too, and haven't gotten very far... there's a point where a game gets too complicated, y'know?

AWJ · May 17, 2007

Scygnus Darkhawk said:

There never was any revival that was "taken out". It's been ten years--this idiocy is still floating around the Internet?

coconutED · May 17, 2007

Before they remake anything, they need to bring stuff over that never made it out of Japan (i.e. SD3) and release complete versions of the games they had to shortchange for whatever reason (SD2 - hardware, Crono Cross - Schedule).

Don't forget the Enix side of the house either (all of the missing Dragon Quest games).

After they do those, then we can start talking about remakes.

Scygnus Darkhawk · May 17, 2007

AWJ said:

I've got a friend that imported a Japanese copy of the game, and he said Great Gospel did wonders against Sephy. Unless you have also played an imported copy and tried to do it, I'm less than inclined to trust your evaluation.

And yeah, they need to release the original SD3 as well. I'm hoping that that sort of thing will start happening on the Wii store, but until I see it, I dunno.

coconutED · May 17, 2007

I believe that the "revival trick" in question is actually a PAR code that allows you to use Aeris after her death; nothing that Square actually built into the game.

shout27 · May 17, 2007

the whole "revival trick" was just an unfinished sidequest, it's not as obvious as say KotOR:2 which was at best half-done, FF7 was probably on the 9.5/10 scale and they were simply trying to both polish it and get that last bit in.

it was stated in an interview a couple years back that the starting point for the quest was supposed to be when you met the first of the "clones" (the sick guy in the pipe after you first get Aeris and before you meet her mom).

It's been a while so i'll have to go digging to find the article.

GenocideHeart · May 17, 2007

Scygnus Darkhawk said:

There's no actual revival trick. Period. No exception.

With a Pro Action Replay, you can put Aerith back in the party, but she has NO LINES in the rest of the game, and makes it crash in several places. She was never meant to be there.

The only thing that was taken out of the US version is Test Zero, the debug boss in the pit under the Gold Saucer.

Scygnus Darkhawk · May 17, 2007

I'm still more inclined to trust the bunny than you, so

GenocideHeart · May 17, 2007

Scygnus Darkhawk said:

You do realize that I played the Japanese import version first, don't you? It's the only way to fight Test Zero at all.

And those dogs are pure annoyance made flesh. They don't attack, instead standing there and whimpering or something, but they have an ungodly 95% dodge rate, and I calculated they have around 40k HP, so it takes the better part of forever to kill them.

But no matter what, I was never EVER able to resurrect Aerith, and I tried every rumor and 'cheat' I could find. It's just not doable, in no small part because it FUCKS UP THE ENDING (she HAS to be dead and 'one with the Planet' for Holy to work, or you are well and truly fucked).

Just clarifying. If anyone tells you they legitly resurrected Aerith, they are lying. There's no way to do it ingame without a cheat device. No matter what the version.

Ryogas_BF · May 17, 2007

Personally I don't mind the FF series much, yes they haven't 'hit one out of the park' in a while but even there misses are still solid games. Besides there FINALLY remaking my favorite square game Final fantasy tactics (unfortunately for the psp which I'll need to buy). They gave it proper, and beautiful, cut scenes to the important scenes, added two new class, more side quests, multiplyer and on top of all that it's going to get a better localization so there won't be all the spelling mistake and odd translations of the original PS1 version.

I don't know if I can wait till october...

Paradigm Shifter · May 18, 2007

They're remaking Final Fantasy Tactics for the PSP? :drool:

Overall, I think I'll withhold judgement until I get the chance to play Final Fantasy III DS. Because I've never played the proper FFIII. But I do think they've lost the plot a little... I can only take so much gender-ambiguity and otherwise uninspired instantly-forgettable characters.

...Tidus? Who's he?

GenocideHeart · May 18, 2007

Paradigm Shifter said:

FFIII DS is... not good. It's slow, wonky, feels awfully forced in some places and the 'retooled graphics' actually look UGLIER than the NES original, at least in my opinion.

trevelyan1983 · May 18, 2007

Paradigm Shifter said:

Egads! I turn my back for half an hour, and who turns up? :lol:

Heh. Nice to have you here, my friend. And, yes, FFT is coming to PSP. Eventually. It's one of the reasons I went ahead and bought a PSP - the other being Bleach Heat the Soul 4, which is currently on order from Hong Kong. (I'd originally gone for HTS3, but it was out of stock.)

Then there's Valkyrie Profile. :drool:

Paradigm Shifter · May 18, 2007

GenocideHeart said:

Noooooo! :headbanger:

:rip1:

When I first saw screenshots of FF3DS (something stupid like four years ago, now) I just sat there is shock because, finally, I would be able to say that I'd played all the Final Fantasy games. Well, apart from FFXI, because that was an MMO, and I refuse to pay a monthly fee to game...

Well, I guess I'll see. I've been generally disappointed about the rereleased FF games, but the ability to carry them around and play them on the train is something I cannot turn down.

Thanks for the heads-up.

...

Trev, mate, I thought I'd give you a surprise.

Overall, I'm really disappointed with the state of PSP gaming. I was hoping that there'd be some actual... y'know... good RPGs coming out on it. Two. That's it. Two. Hence my buying a Nintendo DS. That's got loads. ^_^

GenocideHeart · May 18, 2007

trevelyan1983 said:

And Suikoden 1 + 2.

Those wo alone, even in Japanese, are worth the whole goddamn system by themselves. And if they DO get localized, I'll be the first to preorder them.

Um. What?

RPGs for PSP that are worth playing:

-Gurumin (Action-RPG, to be fair, but still good)
-Astonishia Story (Tactical RPG a la FFT, and fairly simple and old, but the randomness of the story (it parodies the serious ones) makes up for it.
-Suikoden 1+2, if you wanna import
-Tales of Eternia
-Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
-Joan of Arc (again, only import for now, but looks incredible and is from N1, IIRC)
-Disgaea Portable (and I won'tsay any more)
-Dungeon Siege: Throne of Agony (Again, ARPG)
-Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory (Good, despite the weirdsetting, and ARPG once again)
-Blade Dancer: Lineage of Light (bona fide turn based RPG)
-Generation of Chaos (Strategy with RPG elements, think Dragon Force lite)

Those are must buys in the current or immediate future period. At least IMHO.

trevelyan1983 · May 18, 2007

GenocideHeart said:

Quite right, GH. Konami have been pissing all over Square since Suikoden came out, and I for one would jump at the chance to own both on one UMD. In my pocket. Forever. :wub:

locke69 · May 18, 2007

GenocideHeart said:

I was enjoying that game before someone <_< lost my DS with the only copy of Sprung I ever found. It would cost be a good $200 just to replace what I lost with it, but not including whatever Advanced game I had in slot two.

Had to get a guide just to figure out how to get the much talked about Onion Knight class.

perfect_solider · May 18, 2007

The Legend Of Dragoon...nuff said...

Paradigm Shifter · May 18, 2007

GenocideHeart said:

I stand corrected. Cheers.

Gives me some games to try to find, too.

I don't really favour action RPGs on handhelds. I've got the first Untold Legends (very similar to Dungeon Siege or Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance) and couldn't stand it. And I've never been a great one for importing stuff... :sweat:

I've got Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth on order, but until that arrives...

GenocideHeart · May 18, 2007

Paradigm Shifter said:

If you dislike Untold Legends, skip Throne of Agony.

Gurumin is more like Zelda than UL or Dark Alliance. Take that as you will.

The rest, IMHO, is stuff to try. Astonishia Story is REALLY old, but is awesome simply because it has a Kenshiro parody in it. :snigger:

Also, adding Valhalla Knights and Spectral Souls to the list. Both are good games in general.

Scygnus Darkhawk · May 18, 2007

Disgaea Portable? *perks* I might be getting a PSP sooner than I thought...

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