How should we run the elections?

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Vexarian

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@Raye, the part that you're missing is that the grading is on a curve. If your average score is 4, that doesn't mean that you are automatically and forever disqualified because your end-score wasn't 3 or less.

And regarding nominations, I still say people nominate themselves, and let the voting sort it out.
 
chronodekar

chronodekar

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Vexarian said:
And regarding nominations, I still say people nominate themselves, and let the voting sort it out.
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I'm seconding this. With hardly 200 people voting, it seems overly complicated to have some "per-requisite" for the mods to have. Most people who care to vote will know what the nominees are like. I say lets start collecting names!

For what its worth, I'm still going ahead with the "favorite author" contest. Should be fun to see who wins. :)

-chronodekar
 
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Raye_Terse

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@Vexarian: To be fair, if there had been thousands of voters, I wouldn't have had any issue with that method of voting at all. The only reason the power discrepancy was a bad thing was because our low voting numbers would have opened us up to sabotage in the event that the vote was a close one.



At any rate, for nominations, I think that self-nominations are pretty much necessary. I think we should have one dedicated thread where people are only allowed to post once. That post should include a self-nomination and the reasons this person should be voted for. Any other posts should be deleted. In addition, discussion of the nominated people and their merits should be minimal to non-existent until votes are closed. People should be allowed to make their own decisions on who to vote for, without other people making arguments for or against that decision.
 
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Avider

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In addition, discussion of the nominated people and their merits should be minimal to non-existent until votes are closed. People should be allowed to make their own decisions on who to vote for, without other people making arguments for or against that decision.
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I've heard some silly ideas in my time, and this is a silly idea.
 
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Raye_Terse

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It's not that discussion isn't a good thing; it's just that rethoric has the good and bad side of swaying people's minds. I might consider this a larger issue than other people would.
 
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Avider

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Raye_Terse said:
It's not that discussion isn't a good thing; it's just that rethoric has the good and bad side of swaying people's minds. I might consider this a larger issue than other people would.
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Frankly, you shouldn't be explaining yourself, I should be allowed to make my own decision about the silliness of your views.

(Geddit?)
 
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Vexarian

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I'm with Avider on this one. Raye, you should just shut your mouth and keep it closed for the foreseeable future, because I cannot imagine you saying anything to make me forget that ridiculous proposal.
 
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rdde

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There are 118 members from oTFF that have visited nTFF with more than 2,000 nTFF post counts.
There are 216 members from oTFF that have visited nTFF with more than 1,000 nTFF post counts.
There are 2,487 members from oTFF that have visited nTFF if we count from 2013-03-23.
There are 1,562 members from oTFF that have visited nTFF if we count from 2013-04-01.
There are 258 new members in nTFF thus far.

In cases like Lord Raine, they're not counted as oTFF by my data; unless someone fixes their Joined Date.
 
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Vexarian

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My impression is that it's not really possible to fix a displayed Join Date.

It shouldn't matter all that much however, there are only two people on the forum who have weird join dates. Mine because of Hawk deleting my old account and Shirotsume finding a way to magic all of my old posts into this new one (along with a bunch of posts belonging to other people, which I'm not too fond of), and Raine who shenanigans happened to and is now labeled as March '13.
 
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Raye_Terse

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Discussion before nominations would be fine, discussion after votes would be fine. It was just a suggestion for giving people time to think for themselves while nomination and voting is in progress. It may or may not be stupid, but that's why it's just a suggestion. And I do realize that I'm probably blowing this somewhat out of proportion.
 
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ArchfiendRai

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One thing: Nominees should not be allowed to vote.

Agreed?

At this rate we're going to be pulling names out of a hat to vote for. :p
 
dapster

dapster

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ArchfiendRai said:
One thing: Nominees should not be allowed to vote for themselves.

Agreed?

At this rate we're going to be pulling names out of a hat to vote for. :p
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Fixed. The members who are most likely to be considered for mod positions will be people we all trust, and we could use their input for who they think other mods should be.
 
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Ashaman

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About the whole Post Count thing - If its just a way to gauge how active/how often they're on site, why don't we use the Time Spent Online as an indicator for that?

Or will it not do?
 
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foreverzero

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Pretty sure time spent online wasn't a part of old TFF, so it would only give an idea of how active the person in question has been since the Great Move of 2013.
 
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Hardcore Heathen

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Why can't nominees vote for themselves?

(Note: Totally not an issue under the alternative vote!)
 
dapster

dapster

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Hardcore Heathen said:
Why can't nominees vote for themselves?

(Note: Totally not an issue under the alternative vote!)
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Mostly cause everyone that wants to be a mod would vote for themselves rather than who they think would do the best job.
That's a good way for the number of people that have votes to get huge, and then Shiro/whoever is admin at that time would have alot more to sort through.
 
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Vexarian

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dapster said:
Hardcore Heathen said:
Why can't nominees vote for themselves?

(Note: Totally not an issue under the alternative vote!)
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Mostly cause everyone that wants to be a mod would vote for themselves rather than who they think would do the best job.
That's a good way for the number of people that have votes to get huge, and then Shiro/whoever is admin at that time would have alot more to sort through.
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You realize that there are multiple slots, and that each person can, and certainly will be, voting for multiple people right?

There's absolutely no reason to institute a rule that states that a nominee cannot vote for themselves. All it does is complicate the process and adds nothing to it.
 
chronodekar

chronodekar

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I'm with Vexarian on this one. It's silly to ask nominee's NOT to vote for themselves. Now to prevent any kind of bias I can understand if people don't want Shirotsume to cast a vote at all since he's running the election, but the nominee him/herself? What democratic society even does such a thing?

And for that matter; Shirotsume, I don't mean to offend, but as the guy running the election, I must insist that you do NOT vote. Last thing we want around here is for your three candidates to 'mysteriously' get selected and have conspiracy theories running around ...

-chronodekar
 
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rdde

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I don't understand how asking Shirotsume to not vote is going to make the elections fairer.

How would Shirotsume putting in his fair share of votes make his three candidates get selected? What mechanism can we use to ensure that Shirotsume does not vote?

@[Vexarian]
Regarding the joined dates, yours still counts as oTFF even if it was not your original joined date. I'm also only aware of Raine's unique case, but I am uncertain if there were other such instances.
 
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foreverzero

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The thing is...for the nominees that Shirotsume voted for to be "mysteriously selected" as opposed to simply selected (ie. shady stuffz occurring), that would require him to have some sort of power to rig the election system, and if he were to have such a power...the three people he wanted to be selected would be selected whether he voted or not. Not voting would simply keep people from realizing that those he wanted in the position ended up there through shady means. It literally stops nothing in the scenario you're mentioning. <.<"

It's largely a moot point though, since from the sounds of it, we're going to be posting our votes like we did before, so it should be pretty clear where votes are coming from and how many people voted and for whom, leaving it difficult to rig the election. In which case Shirotsume's vote is just as valid as anyone elses. Just my opinion.




Edited for grammar. <.<"
 
chronodekar

chronodekar

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So, my paranoia was um-warranted? Oh well ...

-chronodekar
 
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rdde

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Was "um-warranted" actually "um... warranted" or "unwarranted"? :p

Anyway, that happens when we don't understand how it is going to be run.
 
PCHeintz72

PCHeintz72

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I fail to see the point in asking he not vote as well... If the concern is that he has rigged the election... he could do at least in theory do so whether he voted or not...

While I may not agree with a few things that have been done, I understand why they were done as they were, and to be quite honest he has been IMHO bending over backwards to keep everything far more fair than he really needed to.

Were he to have simply demanded the admin position for himself... or if he had demanded a mod slot for himself... I would have even been fine with either.
 
Zephyrus

Zephyrus

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Honestly, this thing has dragged on long enough.

We either trust each other as a community to vote for people we know are going to do well by TFF or we don't.

No amount of dickering about the rules or the process itself will change this fundamental fact.

/2cents
 
PCHeintz72

PCHeintz72

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Zephyrus said:
Honestly, this thing has dragged on long enough.

We either trust each other as a community to vote for people we know are going to do well by TFF or we don't.

No amount of dickering about the rules or the process itself will change this fundamental fact.

/2cents
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AGREED
 
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