Naruto How well can a time looping Naruto cooperate

[Shirotsume]

I was playing this game: http://www.nekogames.jp/mt/2008/01/cursor10.html

It's called Mouse*10.

The premise is that there are 16 floors. You use your mouse to interact through for a set time; and then you switch to another, ADDITIONAL MOUSE.

Which brought me to a ridiculously cracky idea: a borderline schizophrenic, time-looping Naruto that wakes up in an additional body every time he fucks up. The first body does the exact thing naruto did 'Yesterday', except naruto is in control of an additional body.

This sounds like hax-kage bunshin until you realize that there is no control; the first copy will strive for what you originally did; and or do it anyway.

For example, say first run-through, Chuunin exams. They make a fuss with the two chuunin at the door, move on. Next day, new body, Naruto thinks he'll be smart and prevent it from happening; lock a certain door, do something to prevent team seven (including naruto#1) from going to that hallway.

Except the former Naruto does anyway... interacting, possibly, with teammates that AREN'T EVEN THERE. Now ramp this up to 11.... copies. Or more. All trying to run damage control on the previous, getting things to work.... everything.

*Actually, a hard limit of 11 would be good... and then it could be named "Taking It Up To Eleven"

I could also see Naruto sacrificing them out of hand for rediculous ambush strategies; nothing says dead like a cooling corpse... until the second copy rips your head off. So not even attempting to save past ones would be good too; stealth would be important though.

Hell, Naruto could even just brute force himself through the day. He'd be like the Ran of naruto (An idea all it's own!) and just have a new naruto unveil itself everytime the old one dies.

Plus, the sheer mindfuckery.

The SHEER.

MINDFUCKERY.

 

[SEG-CISR]

jesus christ man

 

[Nemi]

Would this not imply that Naruto has a limited form of precognition?

Or a non limited form if a clone can stay alive long enough.

The only way I can think of how to make this function narrative is if Naruto could retroactively decide to spawn another clone the instant he makes one.

So, Naruto does a jutsu, no clone yet. He does his thing and fucks up, he focuses, and instead of no clone, he produces one--one with all the knowledge he has now. And if he dies, he'll be aware in the new body.

 

[Delcera]

Dammit, and now I can't think of anything but Naruto running around with an equivalently-sized Cossack Buster.

Thank you, Shiro. This is going to haunt my nightmares.

 

[Jomasten]

....HORRY SHITTU, BATUMAN!

 

[Oni_kawaii]

Dammit, and now I can't think of anything but Naruto running around with an equivalently-sized Cossack Buster.

Thank you, Shiro. This is going to haunt my nightmares.

Naruto Uzumaki pulling a Ran Cossack with time loops.
dear god what has science done

Need to stop a flood? build a dam out of dead Narutos.

 

[Shirotsume]

Ran!Naruto is win

But no, he wouldn't be 'conciously' doing anything. It isn't a clone justsu. This is naruto, going through the day... going to sleep... and if things aren't as perfect as they could be (mayhaps a subconscious yearning for the day to do better?) And then when he wakes up... he's another Naruto. Remember, these are not clones, they are true Narutos. Naruto wouldn't have precognition, he would just redo certain days. A lot. From many different viewpoints.


There is no 'focusing.' Lets take the test. He wakes up, gets ready; fails it. Goes to sleep depressed, wakes up and he is watching a real Naruto, doing EXACTLY AS HE DID. There is no precognance; Naruto is reliving the day multiple times, jsut like the classic time loop... only difference is, his past actions loop with him.

 

[Nemi]

Ran!Naruto is win

But no, he wouldn't be 'conciously' doing anything. It isn't a clone justsu. This is naruto, going through the day... going to sleep... and if things aren't as perfect as they could be (mayhaps a subconscious yearning for the day to do better?) And then when he wakes up... he's another Naruto. Remember, these are not clones, they are true Narutos. Naruto wouldn't have precognition, he would just redo certain days. A lot. From many different viewpoints.


There is no 'focusing.' Lets take the test. He wakes up, gets ready; fails it. Goes to sleep depressed, wakes up and he is watching a real Naruto, doing EXACTLY AS HE DID. There is no precognance; Naruto is reliving the day multiple times, jsut like the classic time loop... only difference is, his past actions loop with him.

But, unless he forgets the first loop, then he has precog.

After all, he knows what the Naruto is going to do before he does it.

 

[Watashiwa]

I got to floor 15. And then the clusterfuck became too much.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

I got to floor 15. And then the clusterfuck became too much.

I beat it once. It's simple once you figure out the method.

 

[cilrais]

it wouldn't work at all

 

[Shirotsume]

Ran!Naruto is win

But no, he wouldn't be 'conciously' doing anything. It isn't a clone justsu. This is naruto, going through the day... going to sleep... and if things aren't as perfect as they could be (mayhaps a subconscious yearning for the day to do better?) And then when he wakes up... he's another Naruto. Remember, these are not clones, they are true Narutos. Naruto wouldn't have precognition, he would just redo certain days. A lot. From many different viewpoints.


There is no 'focusing.' Lets take the test. He wakes up, gets ready; fails it. Goes to sleep depressed, wakes up and he is watching a real Naruto, doing EXACTLY AS HE DID. There is no precognance; Naruto is reliving the day multiple times, jsut like the classic time loop... only difference is, his past actions loop with him.

But, unless he forgets the first loop, then he has precog.

After all, he knows what the Naruto is going to do before he does it.

Ah! He has the knowledge of what actions the clone will take, not what events it will cause.

If Naruto punches a wall 44 times on his first round, and then comes back again, removes the wall before the first naruto can get there.... the first naruto will still punch 44 times in the exact same spot.

It's not precognition; simple fact is, he knows what will happen, until he starts trying to fix whatever went wrong. Then, all that knowledge? Out the door. Hell, even the actions the first did in the first place could possibly be unhelpful... or even hindering. And then he has to do it again, trying to work with another Naruto influencing the first. This isn't precognition.

This is rapid-fire experience-fueled prediction training.

And, well, predictions may not come true... at all. And could fail... spectacularly.

EDIT: Cilris: Uh, way to be negative. Would you like to explain why you believe so? That is, after all, the point of this forum.

 

[goldenarms]

jesus christ man

Seconded to the third power.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

The only problem I can see with this is having eleven different Naruto's all in one scene is going to be hell to keep track of. Naruto attacked Naruto, who was talking to Naruto, while another Naruto stole some ramen off Naruto.

This is one of those ideas that I think would be better portrayed visually.

Also, if a "more up-to-date" Naruto tries to get the attention of a past incarnation, will said incarnation even notice him?

 

[Mercsenary]

This is like some of those flash games where you have a time machine where you do one action, time warp, one you control. One that is the past you thatdopes whatever you jsut did.

 

[clockworkchaos]

Also, if a "more up-to-date" Naruto tries to get the attention of a past incarnation, will said incarnation even notice him?

No, that's the point.

 

[twin blade]

But, the difference between the flash game and this story is that Naruto can do something that physically stops an earlier Naruto from his actions.

Say, for example, that Naruto 1 goes and punches a wall. He does some stuff later, and time resets or whatever.

Then, Naruto 2 grabs Naruto 1 and ties him to a bed or something. Naruto 1 wouldn't be able to even /attempt/ to punch the wall. What happens?

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Then, Naruto 2 grabs Naruto 1 and ties him to a bed or something. Naruto 1 wouldn't be able to even /attempt/ to punch the wall. What happens?

Naruto 1 continues to try and punch the wall. Even if it isn't there. Even if he isn't there.

If Naruto 1 needs to take ten steps forward and two to the right before reaching the wall and punching it, and Naruto 2 somehow finds a way to turn him around halfway, this will result in Naruto 1 taking five steps forward, being turned around by Naruto 2, taking another five steps forward (which returns him to his original position), facing right (which would be to his original left), and punching some poor confused schmuck right in the face.

Edit: Also, at some point or another, the various Narutos will begin making Kage Bunshin. Meaning that unless successive Narutos either start taking down their previous incarnations' clones or just stop making extras, there will be fucktons of Narutos running around Konoha for a day or so.

 

[Shirotsume]

Just bumping this idea, because I just saw Primer on Netflix and holy jesus fucking shitballs.

Want so hard.

 

[Dreago]

So, how would this interact with... Physics, I guess?

Using the wall punching mentioned, say he punches a wall hard enough to injure himself, then later removes the wall? Would he punch the air, his fist come to a sudden stop on nothing, and injure himself? Or, would he punch the air, his fist hit nothing, and then act as if he's injured?

How about wall walking? He walks up a wall once, and later removes it would he succeed or fail walking on nothing?

Reactions could be amusing.

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"Naruto can Fly?!?" Sakura exclaimed, eyes bulging wildly.
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Something like that.

And then would he ignore her, and continue doing whatever he would do, confusing everyone, I suppose?

 

[Yorae Rasante]

So, how would this interact with... Physics, I guess?

Using the wall punching mentioned, say he punches a wall hard enough to injure himself, then later removes the wall? Would he punch the air, his fist come to a sudden stop on nothing, and injure himself? Or, would he punch the air, his fist hit nothing, and then act as if he's injured?

How about wall walking? He walks up a wall once, and later removes it would he succeed or fail walking on nothing?

Reactions could be amusing.

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"Naruto can Fly?!?" Sakura exclaimed, eyes bulging wildly.
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Something like that.

And then would he ignore her, and continue doing whatever he would do, confusing everyone, I suppose?

that's how I interpreted the idea.
until the other Naruto died, the new one, or anyone else, would be unable to do anything directly to it. Meanwhile, the old Naruto would be like a physical recording made of a levitating diamond: whenever he interacts with something his actions would be unstopable even if the thing was not supposed to be there - he punches a tree where there is now a face, either the face or the tree budges because the punch will go through, or something that was supposed to be there isn't - he will act as if he was opening an already open door or trip on thin air and float if the table he fell on top of wasn't there anymore, more subtle changes would depend on what happened - a door that was just closed but is now locked either has the lock broken or is ripped open as Naruto goes through it as wet rice paper. He would talk with people who aren't there or receive punches and damages he didn't really get anymore and ignore whoever tries to talk to him and hitting him would be like hitting the hardest rock.
In other words, a mix of the unstopable force and the unmovable object.