Harry Potter HP Fanon and canon devices

nixofcyzerra

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#76
Isn't the spell somewhat dependant on the power/intent of the caster? Fake Moody said the whole class could fire an AK at him and not give him a nosebleed in book 4. Wasn't it Voldemort's AK that was said to be so hax?
 

byakuryuu

Well-Known Member
#77
Magic is like an extra pair of hands, for me, at least. It's useful, of course, but people can coil it into a fist and knob another bloke in the nose with it, too. Of course, dark magic's known to influence people as well, at least, according to Sirius and some of the other adults.

But power levels aren't something I'd bring into Harry Potter. I'd like to think that magic's more about how you use it, and your experience with it, the myriad of ways that it can be used to perform tasks. Like, say, if we compare in real-life, computers. Voldemort knows programming language, manual virus engineering and the like, while, say, Harry in the fifth year just became aware of C++. Magical cores (Within Wizards/Witches, not objects) were brought up by Madam Rowling, but I don't think we were given an elaborate dissertation of how these apply to the skill levels of wizards.
 

burnerx7

Well-Known Member
#78
Well....

Quote:
-HPatDH Ch. 4-

“More Killing Curses flew past Harry’s head from the two remaining Death Eaters’ wand; they were aiming for Hagrid. Harry responded with further Stunning Spells: Red and green collided in midair in a shower of multicolored sparks, and Harry thought wildly of fireworks, and the Muggles below who would have no idea what was happening-“

That sure looks like it being "blocked" by magic to me.

Note: That not wasn't Voldy's AK, so we're not talking about a case brother wands.

Now don't get me wrong, an AK is likely to brake a shield charm in a rather flashy manner, just like it did with the stunner, but the shield would of likely stopped the AK.
Harry always has been weird, even if a plothole or an unexplored plot point I don't pass Rowling having tried to make Harry capable of stoping AK's he was capable of doing a wandless Lumos (even if the wand was a few of feet away) when he is desperate is when he pulls his best game
 

pidl

Well-Known Member
#79
byakuryuu said:
Magic is like an extra pair of hands, for me, at least. It's useful, of course, but people can coil it into a fist and knob another bloke in the nose with it, too. Of course, dark magic's known to influence people as well, at least, according to Sirius and some of the other adults.

But power levels aren't something I'd bring into Harry Potter. I'd like to think that magic's more about how you use it, and your experience with it, the myriad of ways that it can be used to perform tasks. Like, say, if we compare in real-life, computers. Voldemort knows programming language, manual virus engineering and the like, while, say, Harry in the fifth year just became aware of C++. Magical cores (Within Wizards/Witches, not objects) were brought up by Madam Rowling, but I don't think we were given an elaborate dissertation of how these apply to the skill levels of wizards.
I thought the only thing we know about magical cores is that they're totally fanon?
 

ArchfiendRai

Well-Known Member
#80
Lord Raine said:
After the very first gift of books, Harry found his trunk too small to fit his new collection, but this new set was larger than the trunk itself, so it was obvious that he'd have to do something before he had to pack before going back to Hogwarts. So he asked Mr. Flourish, and got directed by the friendly shopkeeper over to where he could buy a specialty one.

Looking around the wizarding luggage shop, Harry ended up purchasing four traveling bookcases instead of a larger trunk. They were full size, floor to ceiling rosewood bookcases with glass fronts to protect the books from dust and each unit had two halves that folded together like a locket. When closed it looked like a large steamer trunk, about eight feet tall and four feet on each side, but when opened it was just two bookcases joined by a hinge in the center. And the whole thing shrank down to the size of a pack of bubblegum without him having to use any magic, just activating built-in charms.

Because they were travel luggage for wizard-kind, they came with a whole slew of protective enchantments against jostling, breakage, wear or so on. They were really quite remarkable, and so useful Harry couldn't help but buy a matching desk to go with them. Those tables in the common room were too few for the amount of students needing to do work on them, and they were at the wrong height anyway.

Thinking ahead, Harry bought two plush desk chairs, one for himself and one for Hermione, because he knew the bushy haired witch wouldn't let him monopolize that big desk all on his own. In fact, he got one that had extra drawers, because he knew otherwise she'd end up taking them all.
I think I'm starting to understand why a bunch of people jumped down my throat immediately upon the introduction of a magical trunk into my story.

Don't get me wrong. They were still incredibly bitchy and not paying attention to what was actually being said. But still. This is pretty damn bad.
I didn't want to necro THAT massive thread, so I'll ask here instead.

What exactly do people have against magical trunks? :huh: I wasn't aware hating those was even a thing.
 

Garahs

Well-Known Member
#81
It's the pure wankery that authors use them for, such as a full house, including library and other 'training' tools.
 

ArchfiendRai

Well-Known Member
#82
Garahs said:
It's the pure wankery that authors use them for, such as a full house, including library and other 'training' tools.
Lets be fair, after Book 4 a single room isn't THAT much of a stretch.

A full house though....yeah pushing it a bit.
 

GaelicDragon

Well-Known Member
#83
On "muggle" devices not working in Hogwart's...

I've seen discussions on various reasons that electronics in particular don't work in Hogwart's. The answer I don't believe I have seen is the fact that Hogwart's isn't attached to the power grid. Outside of hauling in an absurd amount of batteries to power an electronic device, there is no way to charge or re-charge a device. The other issue is anyway to create electricity would run the risk of "crisping" the device due to inconsistant power flow.

That and I don't believe there is any true enchantment or charm built for electronics. Most devices that are crossed-over are mostly mechanical, such as Sirius's bike or the Ministry cars.

I remember something in Book 4 about Harry having a watch that broke during the second task. An ordinary watch that was Dudley's, and Vernon would not have purchased a wind up watch for his son, no matter how spoiled Dudley was.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#84
You can get a mechanical watch for like 60 bucks. Not that much of a stretch for someone as spoiled as Dudley, especially from someone as self-important as the Dursley's.

Regardless of that- it's straight from the horses mouth that electrical devices don't work at hogwarts.
 

Cynical Kyle

Well-Known Member
#85
Shirotsume said:
You can get a mechanical watch for like 60 bucks. Not that much of a stretch for someone as spoiled as Dudley, especially from someone as self-important as the Dursley's.

Regardless of that- it's straight from the horses mouth that electrical devices don't work at hogwarts.
Not like that bit of canon has ever stopped the muggle supremacists of fandom where introduction of wonderful muggle technology miraculously solves everything.
 

pidl

Well-Known Member
#86
Cynical Kyle said:
Shirotsume said:
You can get a mechanical watch for like 60 bucks. Not that much of a stretch for someone as spoiled as Dudley, especially from someone as self-important as the Dursley's.

Regardless of that- it's straight from the horses mouth that electrical devices don't work at hogwarts.
Not like that bit of canon has ever stopped the muggle supremacists of fandom where introduction of wonderful muggle technology miraculously solves everything.
Is it actually ever specified if it are only electrical devices which don't work, or even electronical devices like a simple analog watch using a battery?
 

ragnarok1337

Well-Known Member
#87
I've heard in a few fanfics that it's actually a massive disinformation campaign by the wizards. I've heard other fics say that EMP-hardened devices work in Hogwarts. I've also heard a theory that since magic disrupts electricity, it explains why all wizards are stupid in general. After all, bioelectricity is what keeps your brain working. I think it was more of a joke theory than anything,though.
 

pidl

Well-Known Member
#88
ragnarok1337 said:
I've heard in a few fanfics that it's actually a massive disinformation campaign by the wizards. I've heard other fics say that EMP-hardened devices work in Hogwarts. I've also heard a theory that since magic disrupts electricity, it explains why all wizards are stupid in general. After all, bioelectricity is what keeps your brain working. I think it was more of a joke theory than anything,though.
I hope so, otherwise it's fanwank of the highest order. Canon only mentions 'not an ounce of logic' when having to solve a logic puzzle. And who can blame them, when all you need to make a< b< c< a valid is a single wave of a wand.
 

e39042

Well-Known Member
#89
It's canon that magic interferes with electricity, and that electronic devices can be altered to run on magic. There are even creatures called Chizpurfles that feed on magical objects that are also known to feed on electronic devices. I would guess that the more complex the device, the more likely or severe the effect of being inside a magical field would be. I'm not sure if there's any example of a complex electronic device coming into the vicinity of a strong magic field, but it's possible the two energies would react to each other causing the electronic device to damage itself, or it could simply stop working.
 

Fellgrave

Well-Known Member
#90
Huh. I always thought the electricity thing was purely fanon, because if I can recall correctly, and it has been a while, then the only mention of tech not working around magic was Hermione saying that Radio's don't work at Hogwarts. I might be wrong, but that's what I remember.

Personally, I don't see exactly how magic could affect electricity; to me it's like saying gamma radiation throws off magnetic fields. The radio thing I always figured was due to the wards cutting off any non-magic based signal from going through them, like a very specific communication jamming field.
 

pidl

Well-Known Member
#91
Fellgrave said:
Huh. I always thought the electricity thing was purely fanon, because if I can recall correctly, and it has been a while, then the only mention of tech not working around magic was Hermione saying that Radio's don't work at Hogwarts. I might be wrong, but that's what I remember.

Personally, I don't see exactly how magic could affect electricity; to me it's like saying gamma radiation throws off magnetic fields. The radio thing I always figured was due to the wards cutting off any non-magic based signal from going through them, like a very specific communication jamming field.
There was something about the bugs Rita could use to listen in not working as well. The only thing I remember is that they don't work at Hogwarts, not that they don't work in general due to magic, that's Dresden Files canon.
 

e39042

Well-Known Member
#92
Goblet of Fire said:
“All those substitutes for magic Muggles use - electricity, computers, and radar, and all those things - they all go haywire around Hogwarts, there’s too much magic in the air. No, Rita’s using magic to eavesdrop, she must be... If I could just find out what it is... ooh, if it’s illegal, I’ll have her...”
It's later revealed that Rita's method of gathering information is her Animagus form. There's nothing I could find about Rita having a magical device that doesn't work on the Hogwarts ground. The quote also quite specifically states the reason for things going haywire around Hogwarts is the volume of magic in the air.
 

pidl

Well-Known Member
#93
e39042 said:
Goblet of Fire said:
“All those substitutes for magic Muggles use - electricity, computers, and radar, and all those things - they all go haywire around Hogwarts, there’s too much magic in the air. No, Rita’s using magic to eavesdrop, she must be... If I could just find out what it is... ooh, if it’s illegal, I’ll have her...”
It's later revealed that Rita's method of gathering information is her Animagus form. There's nothing I could find about Rita having a magical device that doesn't work on the Hogwarts ground. The quote also quite specifically states the reason for things going haywire around Hogwarts is the volume of magic in the air.
I meant the bugs as indeed electronical ones. So we know Hogwarts has too much magic in the air for electricity and stuff to work, but no further mention of other places? I suspect the ministry or Diagon Alley also have too much magic, but other then that?
 

e39042

Well-Known Member
#94
Hard to say really. I'd guess the Burrow would be another candidate given magic is one of the only reasons it continues to stand upright iirc. I wouldn't be surprised if most magical homes had too much magic for electronic devices to function correctly. Interestingly a Wizarding Travel Agency by the name of TerrorTours on Diagon Alley was advertising a cruise to the Bermuda Triangle to view a) the wrecked ships and b) the monster, which would suggest the monster itself is giving off enough magical energy to cause muggle navigation devices to go haywire.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#95
I wouldn't be surprised if electronic devices are fine in most magical locations and only stopped working in Hogwarts because it's just that magical; composed of countless enchantments, host to hundreds of magical beings each year and with centuries of spell casting history within its walls. Depends on how much magic is too much magic.
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#96
e39042 said:
Goblet of Fire said:
“All those substitutes for magic Muggles use - electricity, computers, and radar, and all those things - they all go haywire around Hogwarts, there’s too much magic in the air. No, Rita’s using magic to eavesdrop, she must be... If I could just find out what it is... ooh, if it’s illegal, I’ll have her...”
It's later revealed that Rita's method of gathering information is her Animagus form. There's nothing I could find about Rita having a magical device that doesn't work on the Hogwarts ground. The quote also quite specifically states the reason for things going haywire around Hogwarts is the volume of magic in the air.
The reason people tend to throw that away is that we know Hermione tends to believe things that are written in schoolbooks, and we can't know how reliable said books are, if they're being written by Potterverse wizards and witches. We don't know what research, if any, was done on the subject.
 

pidl

Well-Known Member
#97
Prince Charon said:
e39042 said:
Goblet of Fire said:
“All those substitutes for magic Muggles use - electricity, computers, and radar, and all those things - they all go haywire around Hogwarts, there’s too much magic in the air. No, Rita’s using magic to eavesdrop, she must be... If I could just find out what it is... ooh, if it’s illegal, I’ll have her...”
It's later revealed that Rita's method of gathering information is her Animagus form. There's nothing I could find about Rita having a magical device that doesn't work on the Hogwarts ground. The quote also quite specifically states the reason for things going haywire around Hogwarts is the volume of magic in the air.
The reason people tend to throw that away is that we know Hermione tends to believe things that are written in schoolbooks, and we can't know how reliable said books are, if they're being written by Potterverse wizards and witches. We don't know what research, if any, was done on the subject.
So, basically: "Everything is possible, because they might not have done any research on it, and if it is written down it might not be reliable?"

I know people have some problems with the explanations given in canon, but that is taking it really far.
 

e39042

Well-Known Member
#98
Prince Charon said:
e39042 said:
Goblet of Fire said:
“All those substitutes for magic Muggles use - electricity, computers, and radar, and all those things - they all go haywire around Hogwarts, there’s too much magic in the air. No, Rita’s using magic to eavesdrop, she must be... If I could just find out what it is... ooh, if it’s illegal, I’ll have her...”
It's later revealed that Rita's method of gathering information is her Animagus form. There's nothing I could find about Rita having a magical device that doesn't work on the Hogwarts ground. The quote also quite specifically states the reason for things going haywire around Hogwarts is the volume of magic in the air.
The reason people tend to throw that away is that we know Hermione tends to believe things that are written in schoolbooks, and we can't know how reliable said books are, if they're being written by Potterverse wizards and witches. We don't know what research, if any, was done on the subject.
In other words: "Fuck canon, I like my personal head canon better!"
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#99
e39042 said:
Prince Charon said:
e39042 said:
Goblet of Fire said:
“All those substitutes for magic Muggles use - electricity, computers, and radar, and all those things - they all go haywire around Hogwarts, there’s too much magic in the air. No, Rita’s using magic to eavesdrop, she must be... If I could just find out what it is... ooh, if it’s illegal, I’ll have her...”
It's later revealed that Rita's method of gathering information is her Animagus form. There's nothing I could find about Rita having a magical device that doesn't work on the Hogwarts ground. The quote also quite specifically states the reason for things going haywire around Hogwarts is the volume of magic in the air.
The reason people tend to throw that away is that we know Hermione tends to believe things that are written in schoolbooks, and we can't know how reliable said books are, if they're being written by Potterverse wizards and witches. We don't know what research, if any, was done on the subject.
In other words: "Fuck canon, I like my personal head canon better!"
Not to that level, but exaggerating something to try to make the side that doesn't agree with you shut up is a very common 'debating' tactic on the internet.

Even for things that do work that way, though, please remember that it's 'fan' fiction, not 'slavish adherence to canon' fiction.
 

e39042

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I would never tell anyone they had to adhere strictly to canon in fan fiction as that would be incredibly redundant, but when it comes to debating between what is canon and fanon (incidentally the purpose of this thread) I'll call it how I see it.
 
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