Harry Potter HP Fanon and canon devices

#26
But are they versatile enough for a wand? I mean, sure a manticore whatever could produce something great for offensive magic, but at the cost of pretty much everything else. Especially if paired with a wood that is good for offensive magic. Whereas the main three are flexible in the magics they can do and it is the wood that more determines if the wand is good for charms, transfigurations, etc.
 

ArchfiendRai

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#27
Which is where multiple wands come in. >_>

There are wands that are jacks in canon, unless I'm mistaken. Good at a whole lot of shit but not the best at anything. I don't see why the reverse couldn't be true.

Either way, it certainly isn't canon.
 
#28
I just had a funny thought, a Gatling wand. A bunch of wands tied together that spin as you perform spells.
 

ArchfiendRai

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#29
ROFL

Oh god I'm picturing that and its HILARIOUS.

"Man that thing looks bloody ridicu-"

 
#30
That actually brings up an interesting point (other than the idea of using a GatWand on a bunch of boggarts) what effect would riddikulus have on something other than a boggart? Because I could imagine other spells being just as useful against boggarts while being able to be used for other things as well.
 

pidl

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#31
half baked cat said:
That actually brings up an interesting point (other than the idea of using a GatWand on a bunch of boggarts) what effect would riddikulus have on something other than a boggart? Because I could imagine other spells being just as useful against boggarts while being able to be used for other things as well.
Eh, in canon we only learn about riddikulus, so I'm going to assume that's the only thing that works.
 

Lord Raine

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#32
half baked cat said:
I know the holsters are fanon. Which is why I felt the need to ponder if wrist holsters are actually all that smart.
They are not. Even the short wands are just under a foot in length. It would be like strapping a ruler to your wrist. Not to mention the fact that nearly all fanon tends to assume that wands are geometrically even, thin cylinders, roughly the size and dimensions of a magicians wand. Even in the book illustrations, they've always looked more like actual sticks, to say nothing of the movie wands, which have a freaking bicycle handlebar for the grip and look like someone stripped the leaves off of a particularly large and crooked twig.

If such a thing existed at all, it would be a forearm holster, not a wrist holster, because the thing would take up your entire lower arm. And it still wouldn't exist then, not even with hammerspace, because wands aren't straight. You couldn't get a clean draw with it out of a holster, and that defeats the entire point of having one.

But according to Moody there are alternatives to putting your wand in your pants pocket, so something must exist.
Your rear pants pocket. Better men than you have lost a buttock.

One would assume that wizard robes have some kind of pocket or pouch for it. Jeans are not meant to carry sticks that cause explosions if waved or rubbed the wrong way. It might even be possible to have one in the sleeves, what with how loose they are.

It would make more sense to have a wand that suits you stashed in your boot than a short wand, that doesn't suit you as well, strapped to your wrist.
You'd need a bigass boot to keep even a small wand 'stashed'. Remember, footlong, not usually straight, may or may not have a giant-ass knob handle.

If I was an HP Auror I'd want at least two wands strapped to my waist
Better men than you have disembolwed themselves and transmuted their kidney into a walrus.

Yes, but space expansion charms let you put something 12 inches long into a holster 2 inches long... on the outside.
And they've also never canonically been used on anything smaller than a large purse, and they've never been used to create any extra space smaller than a what could be called at least a cubic yard.

No one has ever used an Extension Charm to make little bitty bits of extra space that we've seen. We don't even know if that's possible. If it wasn't for Hermone's handbag, we wouldn't even be able to say it had ever been used on anything smaller than a seaman's chest.

And you've still got the problem where the wand isn't straight, and even if it was, it would have to have the giant knob handle sticking out on your wrist. That's not exactly subtle, comfortable, sneaky, or even practical.

HP and hammerspace do go well together. You can put a bag of infinite (or just really big) holding inside another object larger on the inside than outside.
No you can't. That causes a rift to the astral plane. Everybody knows that.

Why even bother with wands? I mean, they're thin and made out of wood. If I had a choice in the matter, I'd go for a focus resembling a Goa'uld Hand device or something.
If wands could be made out of something more durable than wood, they would be. Only wood, only specific kinds[/i] of wood at that, can be used to craft wands. It needs to be wood taken from trees heavily infested with Bowtruckles.

We've seen a few uses of wandless magic, either in the books or in the movies, so I wouldn't exactly call them absolutely essential.
Not really. You need a wand to train in Legilimency and Occlumency, and accidental magic doesn't count because it's mostly un-replicatable.

The closest we ever got to "wandless" magic was Harry saying Lumos out of sheer reflex when he lost his wand in the grass at night, and it flared light a few inches from his hand. And that's not wandless. A wand was clearly involved. And it wasn't that far from his hand, either.

'Super-special-powerful-unique' wand cores are canon,
No they aren't. The closest thing there is to a "super special powerful unique" wand core is the Elder wand. And that's not unique. Any wand could use Thestral tail hair. They just don't, because that's a weird as fuck choice. And the wand is debatably only unusually powerful because it was made by either a genius or Death.
 

pidl

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#33
Lord Raine said:
HP and hammerspace do go well together. You can put a bag of infinite (or just really big) holding inside another object larger on the inside than outside.
No you can't. That causes a rift to the astral plane. Everybody knows that.
Didn't Hermione take her bag with expansion charms inside the tent with expansion charms?

Lord Raine said:
'Super-special-powerful-unique' wand cores are canon,
No they aren't. The closest thing there is to a "super special powerful unique" wand core is the Elder wand. And that's not unique. Any wand could use Thestral tail hair. They just don't, because that's a weird as fuck choice. And the wand is debatably only unusually powerful because it was made by either a genius or Death.
Which is what I meant with the second part of the sentence. The 'powerful' wand cores seen in fanon were once used in canon, but just weren't that good.
 
#34
And the only unique core that was worth a damn in canon was Fleur's and that was because the core came from Grandmama.
 

Lord Raine

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#35
half baked cat said:
And the only unique core that was worth a damn in canon was Fleur's and that was because the core came from Grandmama.
And it wasn't noticably better than anyone else's, either.
 

e39042

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#37
Lord Raine said:
It would make more sense to have a wand that suits you stashed in your boot than a short wand, that doesn't suit you as well, strapped to your wrist.
You'd need a bigass boot to keep even a small wand 'stashed'. Remember, footlong, not usually straight, may or may not have a giant-ass knob handle
My wording might not have been the best, but I didn't mean you would literally stick a wand inside a regular boot. I was thinking of something like a boot sheath. When it comes down to storage requirements there's not that much differentiating a wand from a knife and people have been storing them in boots/boot sheaths for centuries.
 

nixofcyzerra

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#38
Plebeians. Any real Wizard worth his salt has a Wand Caddy.

"Hmm... Difficult bit of Transfiguration. Jeeves, hand me the Wedge."

Unfortunately, the muggles learnt about the technical terminology of Wandlore and, even worse, applied it to one of their insipid sports. Ollivander never spoke to Flamel again after that incident.

Interestingly enough, the Boy-Who-Lived's family was once known for producing a certain type of specialised wand, of particularly high quality. If we look at the etymology of his family name, well, a few hundred years ago he would have been Harry Putter.
 

Ina_meishou

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#39
nixofcyzerra said:
Plebeians. Any real Wizard worth his salt has a Wand Caddy.

"Hmm... Difficult bit of Transfiguration. Jeeves, hand me the Wedge."

Unfortunately, the muggles learnt about the technical terminology of Wandlore and, even worse, applied it to one of their insipid sports. Ollivander never spoke to Flamel again after that incident.

Interestingly enough, the Boy-Who-Lived's family was once known for producing a certain type of specialised wand, of particularly high quality. If we look at the etymology of his family name, well, a few hundred years ago he would have been Harry Putter.
And now I am imagining Lucius Malfoy walking around, constantly followed by some poor bastard of a house elf toting a gigantic golf bag full of cane/wands...
 

ArchfiendRai

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#41
half baked cat said:
Hm, a pimp cane caddy...
We can work with this.
 

Lord Raine

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#42
nixofcyzerra said:
Why even bother with wands? I mean, they're thin and made out of wood. If I had a choice in the matter, I'd go for a focus resembling a Goa'uld Hand device or something.
If we're going for purely fictional and fanon methods of alternative casting, I think a hand device would be cool-looking but impractical. It cannot be concealed, and would be clunky to use. Power gloves look cool as hell, but unless you're an evil overlord, they aren't really terribly practical.

If we got to make our own hand focus, I think I'd prefer a ring. It's unobtrusive, doesn't attract attention, would easily pass any but the most paranoid of security inspections looking for concealed weapons, is much more difficult to disarm or take away by force, and would act as a focus while also leaving my hands free to potentially do other things, like hold a gun or a sword, or possibly punch an ogre in the face.

Also, rings can traditionally be quite magical, so I would imagine it would work fairly well as a focus, all things considered.

If anything Lucius Malfoy has the right of it with his pimp cane. Bludgeon of needed, and easily drawn.
I'm not a fan of Lucius, but the cane is a pretty slick idea. It's normal enough that you could take it anywhere without raising eyebrows, especially if you were either already known to be wealthy or were able to consistantly fake a limp or mild leg injury. The length can conceal a blade for personal defense, and could also potentially conceal other things, like a spare wand. If the ornament is made of silver, that makes it, at a bare minimum, a potential improvised weapon against werewolves, and would traditionally be proof against a whole mess of other things that mythologically don't like silver.

The idea of a wizards staff is iconic and cool, but it's pretty damn hard to hide it's presence or pretend that it's something it's not (a problem that Harry Dresden and his "traditional Ozark folk art" has run into on more than one occasion, as has Gandalf ("would you truly deprive an old man of his walking stick?") and a number of other wizards in various tales of yore). A cane or walking stick, though, is completely normal and socially acceptable, and if you can fake needing it, most people who don't know you can use it to blow up a building or conjure lava elementals would let you take it wherever you went, where other people would confiscate the giant staff just on the general principle of not letting someone walk around with a giant beating stick.

Wizard staffs are nice, but I'd want a wizard cane. It's utilitarian and sexy. Posh cane is posh.

Of course, having the wand come from hammerspace directly to your hand seems best of all.
Since we're talking the relams of fanon, you'd probably need something on your hand to help facilitate this. A ring, perhaps, or a small ink tattoo on the inside of a finger. If you could just conjure things to your grasp from another dimension without needing any sort of focus, anchor, or connecting point between you and the thing you're calling, you're arguably using magic on a level that you wouldn't need a wand anyway.
 
#43
Well, since you brought up Dresden, then I would like to point out that use of a foci allows one to use magic reliably. Whereas it would probably take a lot of training to do a single spell without a foci. Likely it would be a spell that you already use a lot. Like that one guy who calmly reads a book while using magic to move his spoon to stir his tea (in the movie). It is a minor thing, but shows that he probably does that alot.
 

pidl

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#44
half baked cat said:
Well, since you brought up Dresden, then I would like to point out that use of a foci allows one to use magic reliably. Whereas it would probably take a lot of training to do a single spell without a foci. Likely it would be a spell that you already use a lot. Like that one guy who calmly reads a book while using magic to move his spoon to stir his tea (in the movie). It is a minor thing, but shows that he probably does that alot.
Perhaps it's a self-stirring teacup? Aren't there self-stirring cauldrons as well, or is that fanon?
 

Altered Nova

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#46
Ina_meishou said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Plebeians. Any real Wizard worth his salt has a Wand Caddy.

"Hmm... Difficult bit of Transfiguration. Jeeves, hand me the Wedge."

Unfortunately, the muggles learnt about the technical terminology of Wandlore and, even worse, applied it to one of their insipid sports. Ollivander never spoke to Flamel again after that incident.

Interestingly enough, the Boy-Who-Lived's family was once known for producing a certain type of specialised wand, of particularly high quality. If we look at the etymology of his family name, well, a few hundred years ago he would have been Harry Putter.
And now I am imagining Lucius Malfoy walking around, constantly followed by some poor bastard of a house elf toting a gigantic golf bag full of cane/wands...
In the anime The Tower of Druaga: The Aegis of Uruk, there was a wizard named Melt who literally did exactly that. His servant Coopa carried all his wizard rods in a golf bag for him, and whenever he wanted to fry something with a lightning bold he would ask her for the "rod 12" or whatever, she'd silently hand him the rod 5 which was much more appropriate for the current foe but he was too arrogant to admit that, he'd swing the damn thing like he was teeing off on the golf course and the monster would be blasted away by a magic attack.

Anyway related to the current discussion, has it ever been fully explained why exactly wizards in the Harry Potter universe need wands to use magic? I mean all of them are inherently capable of using magic accidentally without a wand, why can't they just train to learn how to control that natural magical power?
 

pidl

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#48
Altered Nova said:
Ina_meishou said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Plebeians. Any real Wizard worth his salt has a Wand Caddy.

"Hmm... Difficult bit of Transfiguration. Jeeves, hand me the Wedge."

Unfortunately, the muggles learnt about the technical terminology of Wandlore and, even worse, applied it to one of their insipid sports. Ollivander never spoke to Flamel again after that incident.

Interestingly enough, the Boy-Who-Lived's family was once known for producing a certain type of specialised wand, of particularly high quality. If we look at the etymology of his family name, well, a few hundred years ago he would have been Harry Putter.
And now I am imagining Lucius Malfoy walking around, constantly followed by some poor bastard of a house elf toting a gigantic golf bag full of cane/wands...
In the anime The Tower of Druaga: The Aegis of Uruk, there was a wizard named Melt who literally did exactly that. His servant Coopa carried all his wizard rods in a golf bag for him, and whenever he wanted to fry something with a lightning bold he would ask her for the "rod 12" or whatever, she'd silently hand him the rod 5 which was much more appropriate for the current foe but he was too arrogant to admit that, he'd swing the damn thing like he was teeing off on the golf course and the monster would be blasted away by a magic attack.

Anyway related to the current discussion, has it ever been fully explained why exactly wizards in the Harry Potter universe need wands to use magic? I mean all of them are inherently capable of using magic accidentally without a wand, why can't they just train to learn how to control that natural magical power?
You can walk, so why do you ever ride a bicycle or car?
 
#49
I can put a nail into a piece of wood it I try hard enough. A hammer makes it easier to do it though.
 

Altered Nova

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#50
pidl said:
Altered Nova said:
Ina_meishou said:
nixofcyzerra said:
Plebeians. Any real Wizard worth his salt has a Wand Caddy.

"Hmm... Difficult bit of Transfiguration. Jeeves, hand me the Wedge."

Unfortunately, the muggles learnt about the technical terminology of Wandlore and, even worse, applied it to one of their insipid sports. Ollivander never spoke to Flamel again after that incident.

Interestingly enough, the Boy-Who-Lived's family was once known for producing a certain type of specialised wand, of particularly high quality. If we look at the etymology of his family name, well, a few hundred years ago he would have been Harry Putter.
And now I am imagining Lucius Malfoy walking around, constantly followed by some poor bastard of a house elf toting a gigantic golf bag full of cane/wands...
In the anime The Tower of Druaga: The Aegis of Uruk, there was a wizard named Melt who literally did exactly that. His servant Coopa carried all his wizard rods in a golf bag for him, and whenever he wanted to fry something with a lightning bold he would ask her for the "rod 12" or whatever, she'd silently hand him the rod 5 which was much more appropriate for the current foe but he was too arrogant to admit that, he'd swing the damn thing like he was teeing off on the golf course and the monster would be blasted away by a magic attack.

Anyway related to the current discussion, has it ever been fully explained why exactly wizards in the Harry Potter universe need wands to use magic? I mean all of them are inherently capable of using magic accidentally without a wand, why can't they just train to learn how to control that natural magical power?
You can walk, so why do you ever ride a bicycle or car?
If I lose my bicycle or car, I can still walk. Being able to still use magic if you lose your wand, even if it sucks compared to when you are using your wand, would be a useful ability. Yet wizards all seem to lose their natural magical powers when they learn to use a wand. It just seems strange to me.
 
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