Harry Potter HP Fanon and canon devices

#51
Well, if you went around everywhere for years on end in one of those mobility scooters, you would probably find it hard to walk afterwards.
 
#52
I wonder how someone invented the first wand. Like, okay, you've got magic. It's not very strong or easy to use, but okay. How do you come up with the plan of taking magical animal parts, putting them in a stick, and then making funny motions with it to make magic better?
 
#53
You got it all wrong. It was first a stick in a magical animal's intestine that randomly got flicked and caused an explosion. Took a while to get to a more recognizable form, but they managed to figure it out.
 

Lord Raine

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#54
Christopher Robin said:
I wonder how someone invented the first wand. Like, okay, you've got magic. It's not very strong or easy to use, but okay. How do you come up with the plan of taking magical animal parts, putting them in a stick, and then making funny motions with it to make magic better?
Since when were you under the impression that wizards were rational people?

Anyway related to the current discussion, has it ever been fully explained why exactly wizards in the Harry Potter universe need wands to use magic?
You need wands to do magic because using magic requires a wand. That's just how magic works. You might as well ask Dresden why he needs to spend stamina and mystical energy to fuel his magic, or Doctor Strange why all of his spells look like a fireworks show. Or a Final Fantasy Black Mage why he can't heal wounds. Or a White Mage why they can't just reverse-make wounds to hurt people.

That's just how their magic works.

I mean all of them are inherently capable of using magic accidentally without a wand, why can't they just train to learn how to control that natural magical power?
Because that's not possible, apparently. It being possible is something relegated to the realms of fanon. Magic can happen without a wand. It just cannot be controlled or predicted.
 
#55
Didn't young Tom Riddle control his to get revenge and torment the other children in the orphanage?
 

Lord Raine

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#56
Christopher Robin said:
Didn't young Tom Riddle control his to get revenge and torment the other children in the orphanage?
Kind of. It depends on what you mean by 'control.' Accidental magic happens when you get emotional and lose control. There's no reason you could not deliberately cause bad things to happen to people by getting yourself worked up at them intentionally, sort of like a voodoo curse or something, and that seems to be what Riddle was doing to the other kids. But I think there's a difference between that sort of vague cursing, and the controlled casting of an actual spell. I don't think Riddle had much control over what actually happened on a practical level. He just knew he could do 'things,' and he made the other children aware of that fact away from the eyes of the caretakers of the orphanage.
 

Altered Nova

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#57
Can a adult wizard still get emotional and lose control and cause accidental magic to happen? Or is that something only untrained wizard children can do?
 

pidl

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#58
Altered Nova said:
Can a adult wizard still get emotional and lose control and cause accidental magic to happen? Or is that something only untrained wizard children can do?
I don't think we've seen anyone at Hogwarts still doing accidental magic. And if even teenagers don't get emotional enough, I don't think adults can do it :p
 

ArchfiendRai

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#59
Harry Potter magic needs, like, a booster shot in the arm or something.

Seriously, I don't think I've seen a set of magic before that is so bloody....mundane.
 
#60
Oh, teenagers have bouts of accidental magic. They just generally treat it as either being on purpose or pretend nothing happened because it is as embarrassing as wetting the bed.

Also, it is understandable why FF black mages can't use their magic to heal. Their magic tends to be more of the use the elements to do damage. Sure, they could, but it would not be easy, it would not be quick, and it would not be pretty. The closest they come to a heal spell is drain, which is basically them stealing health from another to heal themselves.

As for white mages that do damage, what do you think Holy is for? And there is also Dia.
 

pidl

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#61
half baked cat said:
Oh, teenagers have bouts of accidental magic. They just generally treat it as either being on purpose or pretend nothing happened because it is as embarrassing as wetting the bed.

Also, it is understandable why FF black mages can't use their magic to heal. Their magic tends to be more of the use the elements to do damage. Sure, they could, but it would not be easy, it would not be quick, and it would not be pretty. The closest they come to a heal spell is drain, which is basically them stealing health from another to heal themselves.

As for white mages that do damage, what do you think Holy is for? And there is also Dia.
Holy is a spell for just casting once to see what the animation is like. After that you never use it again because the cost is not worth it. Except as a calculator in FFT, there it is an acceptable (and viable) tactic to just spam holy.
 

Lord Raine

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#62
Black Mages couldn't heal because elements
Except there are elemental healing spells in Final Fantasy. White Fire, for one example.

White Mages are so offensive
Not really. Their magic attack stat is shit, and Holy and Dia are legendary skills that exist outside the normal scale. I can name at least four Final Fantasy games off the top of my head where White Mages cannot learn either.
 
#63
White Flame. And I said it could be used, just not as cleanly as white magic. Imagine the process of using regular fire to heal. It can close wounds, but it is going to leave scars.

It does not matter that you can name at least four that do not use dia and Holy, the point is that they are used.

And there is one game where white mages use Aero (FF3). The games are not too consistent with the magic. And that is only a level 2 spell.
 

pidl

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#64
And then we get FFX where at endgame Yuna happily goes "Doublecast Ultima for 1 MP" and everything dies.

The games aren't consistent at all :p
 
#65
ArchfiendRai said:
Harry Potter magic needs, like, a booster shot in the arm or something.

Seriously, I don't think I've seen a set of magic before that is so bloody....mundane.
No, it doesn't. It absolutely does not need shounen manga or video-game style "destroy the world" influence. As a system of magic for everyday living/use, it's near-perfect. It doesn't need to have stupid additions which make no sense in the context of the story.
 
#66
HP Wizards/Witches, the ones who bend reality's very own fabric of the universe to get a nice, hot cup of tea.
 

ArchfiendRai

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#67
nuclear death frog said:
ArchfiendRai said:
Harry Potter magic needs, like, a booster shot in the arm or something.

Seriously, I don't think I've seen a set of magic before that is so bloody....mundane.
No, it doesn't. It absolutely does not need shounen manga or video-game style "destroy the world" influence. As a system of magic for everyday living/use, it's near-perfect. It doesn't need to have stupid additions which make no sense in the context of the story.
And then the one guy who bothers to learn the powerful magic or just abuse the dark magic goes and turns the whole country to shit with a few half-assed followers. (Seriously. DoM. Bunch of kids. Even if they had to capture at least one of them alive, they had way too much trouble with barely trained schoolchildren.)

And no one can do a damn thing because all they know is everyday magic.

Now, I'm not saying it should go quite to those levels you suggested, but seriously....they only won that second war because of a lucky break... (That being that Draco disarmed Dumbledore, not Snape.)
 

ArchfiendRai

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#69
Why do so many fics say that all three unforgivables are unblockable? As far as I know, only the killing curse is, correct?

Why is it that in every fic where Neville is a prominent enough character to get a mentioned pairing, it always ends up being Susan bones or Hannah abbot (or both) ?
 

e39042

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#70
ArchfiendRai said:
Why do so many fics say that all three unforgivables are unblockable? As far as I know, only the killing curse is, correct?

Why is it that in every fic where Neville is a prominent enough character to get a mentioned pairing, it always ends up being Susan bones or Hannah abbot (or both) ?
None of the unforgivables are unblockable. AK has been blocked on numerous occasions by conjured and/or transfigured objects. It just can't be resisted once it does make contact. I don't think it's confirmed whether or not the Imperius or Cruciatus Curses can be magically shielded against, only (I believe) that the Killing Curse can't be.
 

Dunstan

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#71
e39042 said:
ArchfiendRai said:
Why do so many fics say that all three unforgivables are unblockable? As far as I know, only the killing curse is, correct?

Why is it that in every fic where Neville is a prominent enough character to get a mentioned pairing, it always ends up being Susan bones or Hannah abbot (or both) ?
None of the unforgivables are unblockable. AK has been blocked on numerous occasions by conjured and/or transfigured objects. It just can't be resisted once it does make contact. I don't think it's confirmed whether or not the Imperius or Cruciatus Curses can be magically shielded against, only (I believe) that the Killing Curse can't be.
Hell, AK has even been blocked by a stunner before.

Honestly, though it never happened in the books, going by all that did block it in them, I wouldn't doubt that even a simple shield charm could block the thing.:mellow:

One really has to wonder what all the bloody fuss was about with AK.:unsure!:
 

esran

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#72
my headcanon has always been that HP wizards jump to conclusions really fast. the AK happens to be one of the spells that can break through a protego, and as soon as they saw that they immediately labeled it unblockable.
 

pidl

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#73
Dunstan said:
e39042 said:
ArchfiendRai said:
Why do so many fics say that all three unforgivables are unblockable? As far as I know, only the killing curse is, correct?

Why is it that in every fic where Neville is a prominent enough character to get a mentioned pairing, it always ends up being Susan bones or Hannah abbot (or both) ?
None of the unforgivables are unblockable. AK has been blocked on numerous occasions by conjured and/or transfigured objects. It just can't be resisted once it does make contact. I don't think it's confirmed whether or not the Imperius or Cruciatus Curses can be magically shielded against, only (I believe) that the Killing Curse can't be.
Hell, AK has even been blocked by a stunner before.

Honestly, though it never happened in the books, going by all that did block it in them, I wouldn't doubt that even a simple shield charm could block the thing.:mellow:

One really has to wonder what all the bloody fuss was about with AK.:unsure!:
I thought the only times we see AK being blocked is by either a physical object or with extremely rare cases of brother wands' spells hitting each other?
 

e39042

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#74
pidl said:
Dunstan said:
e39042 said:
ArchfiendRai said:
Why do so many fics say that all three unforgivables are unblockable? As far as I know, only the killing curse is, correct?

Why is it that in every fic where Neville is a prominent enough character to get a mentioned pairing, it always ends up being Susan bones or Hannah abbot (or both) ?
None of the unforgivables are unblockable. AK has been blocked on numerous occasions by conjured and/or transfigured objects. It just can't be resisted once it does make contact. I don't think it's confirmed whether or not the Imperius or Cruciatus Curses can be magically shielded against, only (I believe) that the Killing Curse can't be.
Hell, AK has even been blocked by a stunner before.

Honestly, though it never happened in the books, going by all that did block it in them, I wouldn't doubt that even a simple shield charm could block the thing.:mellow:

One really has to wonder what all the bloody fuss was about with AK.:unsure!:
I thought the only times we see AK being blocked is by either a physical object or with extremely rare cases of brother wands' spells hitting each other?
Ditto.

HP Wiki said:
The only known counter-spell is sacrificial protection, which uses the magic of love. However, one may dodge the green bolt or block it with a physical barrier. The Killing Curse, as an "unblockable" Curse, cannot be stopped by another spell, except in circumstances of Priori Incantatem, where the caster and his opponent's wands and spells are locked together. An explosion or green fire may result if the spell hits something other than a living target.
I'd also argue that the sacrificial protection thing is speculation (especially the part about the magic of love) and not confirmed. It's Dumbledore's theory, but there's enough weirdness surrounding Harry that something else could have saved him.
 

Dunstan

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#75
pidl said:
Dunstan said:
e39042 said:
ArchfiendRai said:
Why do so many fics say that all three unforgivables are unblockable? As far as I know, only the killing curse is, correct?

Why is it that in every fic where Neville is a prominent enough character to get a mentioned pairing, it always ends up being Susan bones or Hannah abbot (or both) ?
None of the unforgivables are unblockable. AK has been blocked on numerous occasions by conjured and/or transfigured objects. It just can't be resisted once it does make contact. I don't think it's confirmed whether or not the Imperius or Cruciatus Curses can be magically shielded against, only (I believe) that the Killing Curse can't be.
Hell, AK has even been blocked by a stunner before.

Honestly, though it never happened in the books, going by all that did block it in them, I wouldn't doubt that even a simple shield charm could block the thing.:mellow:

One really has to wonder what all the bloody fuss was about with AK.:unsure!:
I thought the only times we see AK being blocked is by either a physical object or with extremely rare cases of brother wands' spells hitting each other?
Well....

-HPatDH Ch. 4-

“More Killing Curses flew past Harry’s head from the two remaining Death Eaters’ wand; they were aiming for Hagrid. Harry responded with further Stunning Spells: Red and green collided in midair in a shower of multicolored sparks, and Harry thought wildly of fireworks, and the Muggles below who would have no idea what was happening-“
That sure looks like it being "blocked" by magic to me.:mellow:

Note: That not wasn't Voldy's AK, so we're not talking about a case brother wands.

Now don't get me wrong, an AK is likely to brake a shield charm in a rather flashy manner, just like it did with the stunner, but the shield would of likely stopped the AK.
 
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