Harry Potter HP/WoT Crossover Idea

[Sartho]

I just got finished reading The Gathering Storm, and before that I had reread the Harry Potter series, and it got me thinking of a Harry Potter/Wheel of Time crossover.
I don't really know where it came from, and I've never written anything before, but the idea popped in my head and now it won't leave me alone.
The only other crossover like this, that I know of, is Harry Potter and the Joining of Destinies by Kalistar. It was pretty good, but the sequel was abandoned.

I haven't gotten much thought out, but I have a general premise.
It starts in the Deathly Hallows, right after Harry comes back from his "death" and meeting with Dumbledore. Voldemort, who mistakenly thinks Harry is immortal because of the prophecy, has his Death Eaters restrain Harry and they flee so Voldemort can think of a "safe" way of getting rid of Harry. Finally, Voldemort decides that he can't kill Harry, so he performs a ritual that steals Harry's magic and absorbs it into himself. That leads to Harry somehow finding out about the One Power, Saidin, and that he can channel.

I've got some ideas for the rest of the story, but I'd just like to know if you guys think it sounds good so far.
I'll try to think of how I'd write it, and post some of it here, but like I said, I've never written before and I don't know if I can do any good.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Gwyll]

I personally would prefer if you started the book sometimes previously, around 4th/5th year.

Problems that will have to be addressed>
1. What is the relationship between Magic and One Power (if they are in the same world)?
2. Why is Harry the only one who can channel?
3. Does Voldemort know the prophecy? Otherwise why assume that Harry is immortal? And if Harry is captured, just starve him, and you will see if he is immortal.

 

[Sartho]

Yeah, I thought of starting it there too, but I wasn't too sure on how to work it in there.
As for your questions:

1. I haven't thought of a good relationship between the two, except that magic is some 'primitive' form of the One Power. I know that sounds bad, but I haven't really come up with anything better. I am also having it be in the same world, just in the very far past of the books, even before the Age of Legends. Robert Jordan said himself that the First Age was our own time and that the ability to channel wasn't discovered until the end of the First Age.

2. I'm gonna make Harry the first, and only, person to channel in his time because of the prophecy. I know that may seem a little cheap, but I wanna use the wording of the prophecy itself. He will have a Power the Dark Lord knows not. That power is obviously the One Power. I'm also gonna have the ability to channel be somewhat genetic.

3. I'm having Voldermort do this because, yes, he does know the whole prophecy, and he believes that Harry's power is him somehow being able to survive the killing curse. I may have misread it in the books, but doesn't Dumbledore say that Voldermort can't kill Harry because as long as he lives Harry still has the protection from his blood? That's what I'm gonna base that on and have Voldemort perform the ritual to make sure that harry doesn't have anymore 'magical' protection.

After Voldemort performs the ritual and absorbs Harry's magic, he will have to recuperate due to some kind of magical backlach from the ritual and the joining of their magic. During this time, Voldemort forbids anyone to even touch Harry until he fully recovers to make sure nothing else can go wrong. That'll be when I have Harry, who is desperate and knows he going to die, first tap into Saidin.

If this sounds kinda stupid or not believable, like I said before, I've never written before and I'm open to suggestions.

 

[Hashasheen]

Yeah, I thought of starting it there too, but I wasn't too sure on how to work it in there.
As for your questions:

1. I haven't thought of a good relationship between the two, except that magic is some 'primitive' form of the One Power. I know that sounds bad, but I haven't really come up with anything better. I am also having it be in the same world, just in the very far past of the books, even before the Age of Legends. Robert Jordan said himself that the First Age was our own time and that the ability to channel wasn't discovered until the end of the First Age.

2. I'm gonna make Harry the first, and only, person to channel in his time because of the prophecy. I know that may seem a little cheap, but I wanna use the wording of the prophecy itself. He will have a Power the Dark Lord knows not. That power is obviously the One Power. I'm also gonna have the ability to channel be somewhat genetic.

3. I'm having Voldermort do this because, yes, he does know the whole prophecy, and he believes that Harry's power is him somehow being able to survive the killing curse. I may have misread it in the books, but doesn't Dumbledore say that Voldermort can't kill Harry because as long as he lives Harry still has the protection from his blood? That's what I'm gonna base that on and have Voldemort perform the ritual to make sure that harry doesn't have anymore 'magical' protection.

After Voldemort performs the ritual and absorbs Harry's magic, he will have to recuperate due to some kind of magical backlach from the ritual and the joining of their magic. During this time, Voldemort forbids anyone to even touch Harry until he fully recovers to make sure nothing else can go wrong. That'll be when I have Harry, who is desperate and knows he going to die, first tap into Saidin.

If this sounds kinda stupid or not believable, like I said before, I've never written before and I'm open to suggestions.

Why not make it the True Power. Addicting, dark and devasting to one's psyche. We could get a Dark! Harry here with little trouble. Dead Sirius, Dead Arthur, dead friends, etc...

 

[Sartho]

That might make for an interesting story, but it wouldn't work in mine for two reasons:

1. Even though I haven't fully mapped out the story, I still have some idea for how I want the story to go, and Harry going dark just doesn't fit into it. Sorry.

and 2. This story starts a whole age before the Drilling of the Bore and War of the Shadow in the Age of Legends. Therefore, unless I'm completely wrong, The Dark One is unable to touch the world at all and because of that, Harry wouldn't be able to touch the True Source even if he knew what it was.

 

[Gwyll]

Even before the Bore, the Dark One could/did touch the world. Just it was in an age long forgotten. In your story he could be bound, but then you will need some special enemy for Harry. Also, how will he train? Drawing the One Power is hazardous, especially for someone who does not know what he is doing.

The genetical connection to the One Power is a bit hard to deal with, especially if you have magic as a 'primitive' version of it. I think that is the first thing that should be dealt with, since this might even answer some other questions.

 

[Sartho]

I'm not saying it would be impossible for the Dark One to touch the world, just improbable. I'm probably wrong here, but the Age of Legends was a time of peace, until the drilling of the Bore, where they had been so long without murder, war, etc. that they had forgotten what they were. The way I see it is if the Dark One could touch the world in the First Age, wouldn't some memory of him be preserved like in the Third Age?

Sorry to ramble, but that's just what I think happened.

Also, I'm probably gonna scrap the whole channeling being genetic thing, even I thought it wasn't that great of an idea. As for Magic being primitive, that was really the only way I could think of for it and the One Power to coexist. I'll probably think of a better solution to that problem, unless you have any ideas?

As for him training himself, I think I'll have him cautiously test out what he can or can't do himself. I believe that is what wilders did when they learned how to channel themselves, especially the False Dragons Logain and Mazrim Taim. Otherwise, how did they learn to channel by themselves? I doubt they had any teachers considering the taint and all.

 

[Belgarion213]

You forget how long the Second Age was. More to the point there were not constant remindsers of the Dark Onelike armies of shadowspawn attacking the borderlands etc, nor Ishmael in his guide as Ba'Alzamon leading them to destroy the world 2000 years ago etc etc.

Andyes the second age was a time of such piece that there was a near collapse of society after the bre as human vice suddenly surged to the surface.

As for the self training remember that initially most wilders have the equivilent of accidental magic. That is their power flares up at moments of extreme emotional stress. It took people a fair while to even notice things like the five flows (Earth/fire/wind/water/spirit) within the raging sea that is Saidin etc. Training is hardly going to be quick, nor is it going to really get to any of the complicated weaving really unless there is some way to learn. Most likely a self trained person is going to be restricted to fairly simple weaves of huge bursts of elemental power, possibly Rand's Fire Sword trick, and shields etc.

 

[Gwyll]

Remember, that the Wheel turns forever, so the Dark One could have been sealed before the Age of Legends, and people just assumed it was by the creator.

Belgarion213's comments on the training are spot on, so unless you have Harry travel to Tel'aran'rhiod, he will not be able to do much with the power, so he needs something else.

 

[Canis]

Wheel of Time is, in my experience as an observer, a very difficult fandom to write for. The world is so complex and the storyline so long that aside from one-shot perspective pieces any story is going to become a struggle to keep the interest of both author and reader.

That being said this idea does have some promise. Setting this in the First Age is pretty interesting and I'd like to toss out an idea sparked by somebody suggesting that Harry finds the True Power. First of all don't limit the ability to use the power to just one person. There's a lot of ways to make it a non-unique ability while still marginalizing the effects of it being present in anyone else. Second, don't equate magic with the One Power or True Power at all. There's several "old" powers that passed out of the world in previous ages that are only now returning to the world, powers such as Perrin's wolf-talking for instance. Magic is simply one of those old powers that died off for one reason or another. Thirdly, either Harry or Voldemort, depends on how you want to play it, discovers the True Power and, over the course of the story, becomes the Dark One and is sealed - either in the epilogue, or in a sequel story.

 

[Halcyon7]

Well, since the One Power is discovered at the end of the First Age, why not have it be Harry that brings it about? Harry and Voldemort's war breaks the world. It take someone with strong ability to carry epic storyline, though. I would reccomend joe6991 or mira mirth, since I know I obviously can't get Fosfor. Anyone too weak would cause the idea to nosedive and shortly thereafter crash and burn.

 

[the DragonBard]

Both seem to have their advantages, and both seem to have disadvantages.

The OP seems to work best for raw power, and simple and/or long term effects. However, something more complex, or something that involves quick transformations, magic is best.

 

[Sartho]

You guys all make good points. I was basing the time line off of sevenspokes.com and it has it start at the First age, so I assumed, stupid thing to do, that the First Age was the very first.

Belgarion123: You're right. I did forget how long the Second age was, and I agree about the training aspect. That's pretty much what I had in mind for it. He survives the illness that all channelers go through, and stumbles his way along, almost burning himself out a few times. That is going to be one of the biggest problems he has to overcome.

Gwyll: After thinking on what you said, and rethinking a few things, I think I'm gonna have the story start right before the meeting with Dumbledore. I think I'll have the meeting with Dumbles take place in Tel'aran'rhiod, with Dumbles dropping some subtle hints about the place.

Canis: Those are some good ideas, but I never planned for Harry to be the only channeler, just the first. I probably didn't clarify that. I like the idea of magic being a power that died off too. The Voldemort discovering the True Power I did think about, but I wasn't too sure about it. Thinking about it now though, I could have the magic transfer turn Volde into essentially a squid, with little to no power, and him discovering the True Power. About Voldemort becoming the Dark One, it sounds good and Gwyll makes a good point about people assuming the Creator Sealed the Dark One. I think that could be an interesting plot line, but I'm not too sure.

Halcyon7: I was having their war be devastating to the planet, but not quite breaking it. I agree this will be tough to write. If someone wants to help me out, I'd greatly appreciate the help.

DragonBard: Your comparisons are very good, and that is going to be a major factor in the war effort. This new Power that Harry has discovered against fully trained and skilled Wizards.

I haven't been able to think much on it since yesterday morning since we had a DnD session last night and the Falcons game today which was a tough loss.
I'm going to be brainstorming all day today, and let you guys know what else I come up with. I appreciate all the help so far.

 

[Sartho]

Ok, I've been writing a rough outline for this story, and I've gotten most of the scene where Harry first channels Saidin, but I'm having trouble writing the part where he actually touches it.

I'm not too sure, but does someone have to be within the Void to touch Saidin for the first time? If so, then can I have Harry use the occlumency exercise of clearing his mind to replace the Void? That seems to me to be the only way of recreating it that Harry would know.

I know this may sound like a silly question, but I'm trying to cover the little things as well as the big ones.

Like I said, I've gotten most of that scene written except for that part. I plan on posting it as a snippet here to get some criticism.

 

[Kaerion]

I'm not too sure, but does someone have to be within the Void to touch Saidin for the first time?

It's been a while since I read the first books, but from what I remember about Rand's first time (while racing out of the Two Rivers on horseback with Moiraine, Lan, and his friends, IIRC), I'm pretty sure that you don't; you just need to want something to happen, really *really* bad.

 

[Gwyll]

If I remember right, for conscious control you need some kind of mental exercises, but I think it becomes easier the more you do it. But in the beginning, Harry would need time to reach for the Source, especially since he does not have the training that Rand had (the Void). Unless you get him a competent occlumency teacher.

 

[Belgarion213]

For concionus drawing on the source an equivalent of the void is necessary though its possible to draw saidin without it, though its horrifically dangerous. It is also how most 'wilders' express themselves with just a burst of strong emotion, similar to accidental magic.


Without the calming and clearing of the mind that the void or occulmancy necessitate, Harry probably has about 3 weeks before a stray thought sets himself on fire, as a novice.

 

[Canis]

I'm going to have to agree with everyone else. There's some kind of mental technique that's needed to gain control - it doesn't necessarily have to be the Flame and the Void that Rand uses. To avoid making things overly cliched though, make that something that Harry has to learn on his own, the hard way. It's canon that Harry has a lot of issues with emotional control and such so I'd recommend having him develop "spells" early on to help him gain some modicum of control until he or one of his friends/allies (most likely Hermione, but that's a cliche in and of itself) helps him figure out a method of actual control.

It's kind of early so my brain's still booting or I'd actually give more thought (and explanation) to my suggestions.

 

[Sartho]

Thanks again everyone. Since I let a friend borrow my copy of TEoTW, I couldn't remember exactly if Rand was in the Void when he first channeled or not. I know he was when he consciously channeled at the Eye, but wasn't too sure if a person need to be on their first time.

Harry is going to have a lot of trouble even touching Saidin after his first time, and when he does, before he learns some control, it'll mostly be accidental based on his emotions.

Another thing, did Rand Travel when he was fleeing from Aginor? I'm not too sure, because it was a little vague, but I think he did.

One last thing. Do you think that a shield of Saidin could block the killing curse?

Thanks again for the help.

 

[Gwyll]

Blocking Magic? Depends on how the two interact, if there is anything common, it might be possible, but I think unless you have a very good idea how magic and the One Power works, you will not be able to block 'pure magic' spells.

'Pure magic' spells here are those that do not create force or elemental effects, but directly affect the target.

 

[Belgarion213]

Thanks again everyone. Since I let a friend borrow my copy of TEoTW, I couldn't remember exactly if Rand was in the Void when he first channeled or not. I know he was when he consciously channeled at the Eye, but wasn't too sure if a person need to be on their first time.

Harry is going to have a lot of trouble even touching Saidin after his first time, and when he does, before he learns some control, it'll mostly be accidental based on his emotions.

Another thing, did Rand Travel when he was fleeing from Aginor? I'm not too sure, because it was a little vague, but I think he did.

One last thing. Do you think that a shield of Saidin could block the killing curse?

Thanks again for the help.

The Traveling in the eye of the world seems to be different to what we have seen in the rest of the books. Traveling in most of it is using the gateways to move. Even aside from his inexperience Rand would not have been grounded enough to have open a gateway from the Eye of the world, more it seemed more instantanious movement such as described in the prologue of eye of the world. However the consensus is yes he did.

As for touching the source consciously? Even with at least some knowledge and a solid YEARS LONG grounding in emotional control (The void) it took a LONG time, nearly as much as The Shadow Rising for Rand to have consistent ability to reach the One Power (and lets not forget, this is RAND we are talking about. You cannot describe normal channeling behavior based on him, if only because as Lews Therin Reborn he is pretty much the utter limit of human potential in terms of the one power, in terms of talent/aptitude/power)

As for blocking the killing curse? Perhaps. It would have to be a hideously complicated weave with all five flows woven into it, and it would NOT be a easy weave in terms of power expenditure, we are talking at least doubly as powerful as a traveling or skimming gateway, possibly more. The Killing Curse is considered unblockable for a reason. if saidin could block it, it would not be a easy weave, nor would it be able to be pulled up in an instant at least for a while.

 

[Sartho]

Okay, I have a tentative outline now and about half of the first chapter written. Should I post the snippet of it here or in previews?

 

[Gwyll]

I think better to start here with what you have, and if you are satisfied/corrected any large problems, then in can be transfered to the previews section. Expect far more varied responses in the preview section.

 

[Sartho]

Hey guys. I don't think this is a necro, since I was the OP, but if it is, I apologize.

I know it has been over a year since I posted this idea, but I've had a lot on my plate this past year. I ended up changing quite a few things over the last year, mainly the starting point.

I took Gwyll's idea and started it in Book 4, because after I wrote the first chapter, I realized there were quite a few things I needed to change, and I couldn't do it with where I started unless I used flashbacks. So I decided to redo it all. Now that I have the new outline mostly done, I've finally started writing. I have the first two scenes up in the previews section.

 

[Garahs]

Thanks again everyone. Since I let a friend borrow my copy of TEoTW, I couldn't remember exactly if Rand was in the Void when he first channeled or not. I know he was when he consciously channeled at the Eye, but wasn't too sure if a person need to be on their first time.

Harry is going to have a lot of trouble even touching Saidin after his first time, and when he does, before he learns some control, it'll mostly be accidental based on his emotions.

Another thing, did Rand Travel when he was fleeing from Aginor? I'm not too sure, because it was a little vague, but I think he did.

One last thing. Do you think that a shield of Saidin could block the killing curse?

Thanks again for the help.

First time seeing this thread. Rand's first channeling was removing the fatigue from the pony Egwene(?) was riding while they were outrunning the fist of trollocs. He was panicked during that time.

Rand needed tutoring from the forsaken guy to reliably connect to saiden. With no one to teach him, I imagine Harry would have to be disarmed with no way to recover his wand before trying to channel, and he'd end up failing nine times out of ten.

In my opinion, magic trumps the One Power in nearly every way. The only exception I can think of is banefire, which would trump avada kadabra either by eating the curse itself or (if thrown quickly and powerfully enough) undoing the killing curse if used against another.

That's only comparing "current" age of WoT to current HP. I have no way of comparing channeling from the age of legends.