Akamatsuverse I'm the Goddamn Batman, husband to Aoyama Tsuruko

kevinasher · May 27, 2011

Because there was enough discussion about Bruce as Tsuruko's husband in <a href='http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6634' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this thread</a>, I decided we needed to take it to a new thread to discuss the merits of the idea.

Andrew Joshua Talon said:

I still am having a problem seeing WHY Motoko would be afraid of Bruce... Sure, if you know that he's the Batman, that is enough to change one's opinion of him enough to explain outright fear, but the initial suggestion was based on the idea that she didn't know. My thing is that, aside from his philandering and her personal angst due to her onee-san being taken from her, Motoko really has nothing that would justify any fear of him. If anything, she might be angry at him for those, not afraid of him. Once she sees a few integral parts that make up the Batman, she might start to fear him, if for instance, she finds him about to kill someone that breaks into the house, or something. However, if she starts to see his drive and conviction toward his goals, she'd likely find a deep respect for him instead of fear.

DhampyrX2 · May 28, 2011

kevinasher said:

She's afraid of Tsuruko. If she sees Bruce fight her sister to a draw, or worse defeat her in a spar, it would scare Motoko shitless. Now couple that with the differences she sees between his real self and his public persona. It would throw her whole view of the world off. I don't doubt she'd respect him as well, but there would be a healthy amount of fear present.

I also think she'd be upset with the way the tabloids would spread wild rumors about her brother-in-law. About the third time the accused him of cheating on her sister when Motoko knew for a FACT has was at the family compound instead would be enough to erode her faith in any kind of report on Bruce's actions she did not get directly from her family.

Of course with this change in things I could see her ending up friends with Barbara to a degree, of not the likes of Dick and Tim. I could see her even contacting Babs for information of Keitaro when he moves in.

kevinasher · May 28, 2011

DhampyrX2 said:

See, I don't think that Motoko would be around him enough to give him a chance to see anything else than his public persona, and some of his skill at martial combat. Motoko hates men, at least partially because she was mad that Tsuruko basically bowed to a man in marrying one, yes.

As far as the tabloids go, that could go either way, depending on how she feels about him. I agree in whole about the Dick/Tim thing. However, depending on when this whole thing takes place within the LH timeline, it could have a dramatic effect on Motoko either way. Suppose, for instance, it isnt the fact that Tsuruko married Bruce that causes her to flee Kyoto, but rather the fact that Tsuruko is even dating him. She knows little about him other than what the tabloids of Kyoto and later, Tokyo say about him being a playboy billionaire, who, by immense luck, manages to be a competent businessman, despite all his glaring flaws...

Motoko takes a strong distaste for him, having only seen him from afar at a lavish party when he strolls on into some remote village outside Kyoto, and he had women eagerly throwing themselves at him, and when Tsuruko seems to find him attractive, she starts accusing him of doing something devious to her.

After this whole debacle, she moves to Hinata, and the events of the manga more or less happen, but with interludes of Tsuruko and Bruce getting more serious, until, Burn Up, where Motoko is forced to take over the dojo just after Bruce proposes, and much like the manga, Keitaro and Motoko really get closer until she starts asking Keitaro for advice how to come to accept Bruce as her brother in law...

If, however, they are married when the manga starts, it would probably play out a lot differently. I still just don't see Motoko being afraid of Bruce, though. I guess part of it comes down to I can't see Bruce going all out to force a stalemate between him and Tsuruko. Bruce, while he is full of pride, probably would be more apt to let Tsuruko beat him, if he is in fact an equal match for her in the first place. I dunno why, but it just kinda fits better in my mind's picture of Bruce...

DhampyrX2 · May 28, 2011

I'd agree that a Bruce that was already Batman would let Tsuruko win. Bruce when he was on his training journey would go all out all the time to push himself to become the best. In my head I picture the start of things between Tsuruko and Bruce coming from a stalemate during his training that Motoko witnessed as a little girl. A few years later, Bruce, now starting up his public act and his duties as Batman meet Tsuruko again by chance during a business trip. Tsuruko remembers him fondly and decides to get reconnect with him if for no other reason than to understand how to reconcile the person in the public eye with the driven and taciturn warrior she remembered. things progress from there until they get married.

I could see the marriage itself being the thing that drove Motoko to the Hinata-sou. She might even bring up the rumors about Bruce once around Tsuruko. I think her sister would set her straight rather quickly, possibly even arranging a match between her sister and her betrothed. I think we can all agree Bruce would win rather handily. Perhaps it's the idea that she could lose to someone like Bruce Wayne that drives Motoko's fear and anger. Or maybe she would not fear him at all. It all depends on how it's written.

Lord Raa · May 28, 2011

So, who is going to be writing this one?

In the right hands this could be most entertaining.

And before anyone asks, there are too many fics with my name attached that need finishing first.

Ordo · May 28, 2011

Compromise

We go with Dhampry's beginning, Bruce meeting Tsuruko during his training trip when Motoko was a little girl. She's young so the memory isn't real clear in her head. Things proceed as normal until Bruce arrive on business and bumps into Tsuruko. As the relationship heats up, with Bruce traveling to Japan more and more often, Motoko get's frustrated. This culminates in a major blow up that ends with Motoko fleeing to the Hina Inn.

The LH story proceeds as kevinasher suggested. I see Bruce stopping in when Motoko's out to talk to The Inns manager, make sure he'll watch over his future sister in-law, and help him understand her attitude towards men. He's already talked to the other residents so he knows most of them.

This is where things diverge a bit more. Keitaro is grateful to Bruce for his assistance with Motoko but has trouble reconciling Bruce's various personas. Eventually he decides that the Bruce that appears when he's with Tsuruko is the true Bruce. Still he wonders why the Man wears so many different faces.

Some things we need to decide on.

What is Talia's characterization, I've seen her get dangerously jealouse in recent years, but that dosen't feel right to me, thoughts?

How much of the DCU are we bringing into this story? I don't see a need for the Justice league to get involved as a whole, but one or two memebers is going to want to meet the woman that swept bruce off his feet.

How will Bruce Wayne's enemies (not Batman) take his marriage?

DhampyrX2 · May 29, 2011

It's a good compromise except for the fact that Granny Hina was the original manager of the Inn when Motoko moved in. Perhaps the wedding already took place between Granny's departure and Keitaro's arrival. In fact, the reason Motoko was gone originally (and came back in a pissier mood than normal) is that she just returned from her sister's wedding rather than a Kendo retreat when Keitaro arrived.

As for Talia, well she IS from a part of the world where a harem was once considered a valid marriage option for those with enough wealth and power. Couple that with the fact that Ra's raised her with many of those older values from when he was born and she might accept Tsuruko rather easily. After all, Tsuruko is not a "common theif" like Selina. It could kind of go either way, really. Her obsession with Brice was always a bit fatal attraction-ey.

I could see Clark at least showing up to meet Tsuruko. It was assume this is earlier in his career before he alienates everyone in the DCU but Clark and Diana we might see J'onn or the current GL. Green Arrow would most likely be invited to the wedding being part of the same social circles as Bruce in and out of costume. I honestly don't see Diana caring much at this point as she hasn't had time to grow attracted to Batman (unless this is in the DCAU, then she'd be upset but probably keep quiet about it).

As for Bruce's enemies as opposed to Batman's? Most are just business rivals that would shrug and take bets on how long it was until he got screwed in the divorce proceedings. Bane would be a concern but Tsuruko is agile enough in LH canon to be able to at least escape him if not defeat him outright. Tsuruko training along with the rest of the Bat Family would be able to hold her own against any of the real naties gunning for Bruce instead of Batman.

Typhonis · May 31, 2011

Also you may see changes in the batcave and Wayne manor. No need to hide the training so a full dojo set up in the mnsion won't draw too much attention.

The Gotham sene may change some. ould Ivy still be fangirl of the Bat and use her Poison Ivy persona to chase him? This may also be good for business as in the stockholders feel a bit better knowing Bruce HAS settled down somewhat and has another SMART person to help him run things.

Ordo · May 31, 2011

Typhonis said:

Hmmm, Tsuruko starts a Gotham branch of her families school and reaches out to the youth of Gotham, instilling her and Bruce's values and virtues in the young? If the children begin to talk about how talented Mr. Wayne is at teaching and fighting, the citizens might begin o realize that much of his past actions are an act.

Which is just as planned. People love a good story of a secret double life. Gaining information that suggests Bruce Wayne actually is closer to the upstanding citizen they wanted, and is just acting vapid in public to throw off his business rivals would be the kind of juicey gossip that'd keep Gotham chatting and guessing for years. And while all of Gotham is trying to decide which version is true, Bruce can continue his Bat act without fear of discovery.

Yes, if you wanted to go with that version. Ivy is unaware that Bruce is Batman and since I doubt Bruce will accidently wear his ring while crime fighting, she's unlikely to realize he's now married.

Catwoman will likely be an issue, if anyone managed to digure out that Batman is spoeken for it'd be here.

Catwoman's eyes narrowed as she leaned in, peering at him, giving the sense that her hackles had risen. "You're in love..." her tone was shocked as her eyes widened suddenly. "No....not just in love....married."

"....I don't know what..."

"Save it...I know you to well. The weight that presses down on you, no matter what you do is gone. Your steps are lighter, there's an actually spring to them, and...your eyes they're happy smiling even..."

Oni_kawaii · May 31, 2011

be interesting when Lex sends David Cain to frame Bruce for murder.
unlike Vesper Fairchild Tsuruko isn't a sitting duck or helpless.

bissek · May 31, 2011

Especially if Tsuruko had taken Cassandra under her wing. What does Cass do if she walks into a battle between her father and her mother surrogate?

ragnarok1337 · May 31, 2011

I think we first need to decide what continuity of the DCU it takes place in. And the timeline. From what it looks like so far, most people want it to take place in the greater DC comics universe, not the DCAU or movies.

Ordo · May 31, 2011

Kevinnasher and Dhampyr seem to know a fair amount about the 'standard' DCU. If either one writes it, I'd suggest following the main timelines (with a few modifications here and there). In fact, I think a good time for Bruce and Tsuruko to really start dating would be around the time of 'Batman: Dark Victory'. I've picked this series because it's early in Batmans career, his rogue gallery is established (The freaks are kicking the mob out) and Dick Greyson has just become Bruce's young ward.

For clarity Batman: Year One -> Batman: The Long Halloween -> Batman: Dark Victory -> Batman: A Light in the Darkness or Love Hina: A Shadow Falls

kevinasher · Jun 1, 2011

Ordo said:

For full disclosure, I don't know jack-shit about the DCUA or really any of the DC Universes for that matter... For that reason, I won't be writing this, because I don't have answers to "why don't you have so-and-so in here?" questions...

Ordo · Jun 1, 2011

kevinasher said:

Ah, my mistake, and cheerfully withdrawn...

I'm out as I'm currently trying to wrangle Kryptonian Keitaro into a story instead of a series of snippets so I have enough DCU on my plate.

Still whoever does write this will have access to the vast knowledge of the TFF, how can they fail?

blackkyuubi · Jun 1, 2011

Ordo said:

kevinasher said:

Ah, my mistake, and cheerfully withdrawn...

I'm out as I'm currently trying to wrangle Kryptonian Keitaro into a story instead of a series of snippets so I have enough DCU on my plate.

Still whoever does write this will have access to the vast knowledge of the TFF, how can they fail?

^_^

:snigger: :rofl: :rip1:

DhampyrX2 · Jun 3, 2011

Ordo said:

So with that kind of timeline Bruce and Tsuruko would have been married over a decade before Lex sends Cain to frame him for murder. You have more mellow Bruce that would be seen more as a formerly wild youngster turned family man with at least two adopted sons (depends on how you want to play things if there might be any sword-swinging baby bats in the belfrey via Tsuruko herself) and a known and respected wife. I don't even think the Cain's scheme would work. For one thing, Tsuruko could beat him. He's a great assasin but she's metahuman in kill AND would have had years at Bruce's side. For another, people aren't going to make wild assumptions about Bruce's private life that make murder seem plausible for him to commit. Heck, Lex might not even bother with the same approach to things.

A bigger question would be what kind of rogues would tsuruko attract herself as adversaries. Sooner or later everyone gets a few private arch enemies. I could see Selina hating her with a passion without any trouble. Who else would fixate on Tsuruko rather than Bruce?

Ordo · Jun 3, 2011

Doing things so early will cause the Bat timeline to diverge wildly, which I think is a good thing. Events like æThe Killing JokeÆ might still happen but there is now another positive figure in Gotham to help the various people deal with such things.

Since the marriage occurs so Early, Barabara Gordon may come to look upon Tsuruko as a æBig SisterÆ figure. A relationship that might cause Motoko to feel jealous if she should become aware of it, and how close they are.

Selina is not going to be happy about losing Batman to some other woman. However, I donÆt think sheÆd be particularly vindictive about it. ThereÆd be some tension if the two women ever met, but I donÆt think itÆd come to blows.

Now, Talia AlÆghul is another story all together. If anyone is going to try to discredit, or remove Tsuruko itÆs going to be the daughter of the demon. Now if she meets Batman before he starts to exclusively date Tsuruko, things are going to get interesting. I donÆt know if Talia Is going to accept losing æBelovedÆ to another woman, so sheÆs likely to be TsurukoÆs æArchenemyÆ. Damian Wayne might still happen, but this time it could be a plot by RaÆs to give his daughter a child worthy of her.

BatmanÆs blood is not THAT hard to get if you have the resources of æThe DemonÆ at your beck and call.

Talia is the biggest threat to Tsuruko, her family and friends. I could see her arranging to put æstressÆ on Motoko and by extension the residents of Hina Inn in a gambit to drive the Swordswoman away from æBelovedÆ

Victor Zsasz failed to æliberateÆ Tsuruko Wayne from her Zombie self and has made it his personal goal to kill her, or drive her to suicide.

Lady Shiva & David Cain might eventually take issue with Tsuruko if she becomes a surrogate mother to Cassadra Wayne. (yesh the bat-family could become a brood if weÆre not careful)

Question, Tim Drake became Robin because Batman was becoming too dark after the Death of Jason Todd, would that still happen with Tsuruko in the picture?

DhampyrX2 · Jun 3, 2011

That is a hard call. Tim had figured out Bruce's and Dick's indentities himself just being their nosy neighbor as a younger kid. That was part of what pushed Bruce to recruit him after he proved himself. I don't know if Jason would still die here. If he did I could see a new different route to Tim ending up as Robin. Bruce would brood over Jason's death but I don't think Tsuruko would let him get sef-destructive over it.

I agree Talia would end up making a pest of herself but I think you're not giving Selina enough credit. She's been known to get rough more than once when she feel cornered. It's just that when she's dealing with Batman they both treat it almost more like foreplay than crimefighting. Take away the only man that ever really seemed to get her and Selina moght get more than a little catty with Tsuruko.

Bruce and Tsuruko adopting Cassie as their daughter completely is a scary thought. Like Tim treating Cass like Motoko treats Tsuruko scary.

bissek · Jun 3, 2011

Shiva in regards to Cass and Tsuruko would not lead to jealousy over losing a daughter. Shiva's only wish in regards to Cass is that her daughter kill her, and this is because Cassandra is one of the few people physically (if not mentally) capable of doing so, as Shiva is incapable of not giving her all in a fight despite her death seeker tendencies. Someone else raising a child she gave up at birth and hadn't seen in roughly 16 years would mean nothing to her.

Cain, on the other hand, does care for his daughter in his own way and would want to know that his girl's surrogate mother is an appropriate (by his standards) guardian.

Incidentally, the Shinmei-Ryu is supposed to be a demon-slaying form of kenjutsu. Any history between them and the Demon's Head?

Ordo · Jun 3, 2011

bissek said:

I imagine that the Aoymas wouldn't be fans of the Demon...or his league of assassins....

IÆm inclined to think Jason either dies or is at least put into a coma that he may never awaken from (At which point RaÆs, Talia, or Nyssa arranges for his ædeathÆ and eventual resurrection into RedHood). Perhaps Tsuruko is the one to encourage Bruce to take Tim on as Robin.

So does this conflict between Tsuruko & Selina take the form of passive-aggressive combat, heated arguments, or full blown warfare?

à.interstingà.tell me moreà..

A thought, Bruce Wayne is known to employ people he thinks have talent. So if he meets the residents of Hina inn, do you think heÆs likely to employ any of them? I could almost see offering Suu-chan a position at Wayne tech. She getÆs access to the latest gear and toys, and expierence designing commercial devices for a public market. Skills she can eventually take home to improve her home country.

All right letÆs take a look at the Bat Brood ten years from this stories beginning.

Dick Greyson ûThe Eldest æWayneÆ child and current Batman of Gotham City. Tsuruko is his mother for all intents and purposes. She raised him, she helped train him and made sure that he and Bruce had a much more amicable relationship.

Barbara Godron û Views Tsuruko as a æBig SisterÆ and has trouble understanding why Motoko is deathly afraid of the woman.

Jason Todd û Current Redhood, and the black sheep of the family. He does scout out potential Batmen/Women for Bat Inc. but generally prefers to work alone, and have fun doing it. He walks the edge but so far hasnÆt gone over because he fears disappointing Tsuruko.

Cassandra Cain û Tsuruko is her mother, and Barbara the Cool big sis with Bruce as the stern authority figure. Tim fears her, but tries desperately not to show it.

Tim Drake û Brought in to help Bruce through a rough patch and staid to help fight crime. Semi retires from the Robin thing, though he is still on call to help any hero with detective work.

Stephanie Brown û I doubt sheÆd go missing like she did in the main timeline (Man that was a cluster****!) and would instead be provided for by the Wayne foundation when having her child.

Damian Wayne- Scoffs at Tsuruko at first, wondering why his father choose her over his mother. Then he discovers why, the Hard way, and quickly learns to fear her wrath.

The twins û Bruce and TsurukoÆs kids, born during No ManÆs land

DhampyrX2 · Jun 3, 2011

Do we really have to taint this AU with the bad idea that is Batman Inc.? Can't Dick just stay Nightwing and Bruce stay in costume?

Ordo · Jun 3, 2011

No, we don't have to do that at all. I was presenting one possible future taking into account where the timeline has gone. However, since Tsuruko is marrying Bruce so early on, I imagine things could vary drastically from how they originally went.

Damian Wayne might never be born, since Talia and Bruce won't be as close as they originally were.

Jason Todd might never die, or fall into the Jokers trap. If memory serves, Jason was searching for his mother. With Tsuruko he might decide that he has a mother, who gives her love to him freely and thus never sees a need to fall into the Jokers trap.

Bruce Wayne might be viewed as a Pillar of the Gotham community, and all it took was the love of a good woman to settle him down.

We should retrain ourselves from going to far, but the truth is, a LOT can change between the tales beginning and the current DC timeline.

I mean how would Superman react to Bruce Wayne, Batman, having a wife and family....

bissek · Jun 3, 2011

Wayne being a respected pillar of the community instead of being seen as a playboy might avert No Man's Land. Part of the reason that Bruce failed in getting government aid in rebuilding Gotham after the earthquake is because nobody in Congress took him seriously as a result of his lackluster public image.

Ordo · Jun 3, 2011

Hmmm, imagine a scene, Bruce Wayne standing before Congress, his heavily pregnant wife, Tsuruko at his side, arguing vehemently for congress to get off itÆs butt and help save Gotham City. In Gotham, Wayne industries works feverishly to provide goods and services to the community as well as free aid. Bruce (whether or not Congress helps) comes out smelling like a rose.

From then on he is Gotham's 'Favored Son'.

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