Evangelion Indiana Ikari and the Fortress of NERV

#26
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"I'm afraid I have to disagree, Shinji," Ritsuko said. "The Cappadocians shouldn't have allied with Rome against Macedon. It just sped them on their way to becoming a part of the empire."


"Sped? It still took over 90 years," Shinji refuted. "My personal opinion is that it would have happened anyway. Rome was expanding in all directions-There was little to set Cappadocia apart."

"They managed to create a buffer zone against the Romans with two other kingdoms," Ritsuko reminded him. Shinji snorted.

"Those were the Armenians who dethroned the Cappadocian king under Tigranes the Great. And that didn't change the fact that Cappadocia was conquered."

"I have to admit, you have a point," Ritsuko conceded. Shinji smirks.

"Just goes to show you what the price of whoring yourself out is, on an international level," Shinji went on. Ritsuko coughed, and nodded with a smile.

"Indeed..."

"Dr. Akagi, what are you doing with the Third Child?"

Both intellectuals looked over at the Commander in the doorway, his usual cold expression boring into them. Shinji merely raised his eyebrows, and gave Ritsuko a warm smile before bowing.

"Dr. Akagi, a pleasure as always," Shinji said politely. He headed out, pushing past Gendo without a care. The Commander glared at Ritsuko, the bottle blonde just shrugging.

"I thought you were told to limit your social contact with the Third."

"Well, a little conversation isn't going to hurt, now is it?" Ritsuko asked airily, taking a deep drag off her cigarette. She resumed her work, not noticing when Gendo took his leave in silence.
 

Ina_meishou

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#29
Andrew Joshua Talon said:
Ina_meishou said:
Win, although Gendo seemed off somehow.
How so?
Just, not as cold as he should be.

If he was actualy concerned about fraternization, he should raise the issue, if he's not, he shouldn't be ther in the first place.

He lets it go to easily to justify his presence.
 
#30
Do I detect a hint of... jealousy? That would explain it.
 

bdavi

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#31
Excellent. Finally someone to stimulate Ritsuko's brain cells.

As for the fourth Indiana Jones, I had been led to believe it was slightly AU only because Indy served in the war and there was no mention of his other "missions".

The only war I thought he served in was WWI and that was in the Young Indiana Jones series (if those even count as canon).

BD
 
#32
bdavi said:
Excellent. Finally someone to stimulate Ritsuko's brain cells.

As for the fourth Indiana Jones, I had been led to believe it was slightly AU only because Indy served in the war and there was no mention of his other "missions".

The only war I thought he served in was WWI and that was in the Young Indiana Jones series (if those even count as canon).

BD
Well, stimulate her period. I don't think Gendo ever got Ritsuko off, heh.
 
#33
Maya and Ritsuko were standing in the NERV parking lot, the lieutenant having called Ritsuko for a matter of some importance.

"Maya, exactly what did you call me out here for?" Ritusko asked flatly.

"Sempai," Maya began, "Shinji's been, well..."

They were interupted by the sound of a car, and a curious screeching noise. Around a corner came Misato Katsuragi's Renault, being driven at a rather unreasonable speed in a confined parking area, and as usual very recklessly. She waved with a cheerful smile at them as she passed, revealing the reason for Maya's call.

"Hello Doctor Akagi! Hi, Maya-chan!" Shinji greeted politely, his whip wrapped around the bumper of the car, which was pulling him on a hubcap of some sort as though he was water skiing. The screeching sound came from said hubcap scraping along the pavement. The pair vanished around another corner, Mayaand Ritsuko slowly looking at eachother.

"... Maya, surely you know how boys will be boys, even one as intelligent and mature as Shinji," Ritsuko at last said. Maya coughed.

"Well Sempai, it was more his explanation for why he was doing it that concerned me."

Ritsuko raised an undyed eyebrow. "And that was?"

"He was keeping in practice..."
 

Raneko

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#34
:hail: Great Idea

Shinji being rasied by a Jones makes a hell of lot more sense then him being an indy otaku.
 

BF110C4

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#35
You know, you need to add Hikari's reaction to the new teacher. Also it is worth to remember the fact that Indy while an awesome guy on the field, when teaching is the image of a proper scholar. In that particular I believe that he would actually come inside quietly and then start teaching, and only later when Touji does the punch thing he would demostrate his boxing abilities.
 
#36
BF110C4 said:
You know, you need to add Hikari's reaction to the new teacher. Also it is worth to remember the fact that Indy while an awesome guy on the field, when teaching is the image of a proper scholar. In that particular I believe that he would actually come inside quietly and then start teaching, and only later when Touji does the punch thing he would demostrate his boxing abilities.
Good point. Okay, let's try the classroom scene again:


- - - -

The muttering of the class was audible through the door. Shinji shook his head in mild bemusement as he listened in to what was being said.

"What do you think our new teacher'll be like?"

"Anyone better than that old fossil..."

"I've heard he's some sort of child prodigy! Only 15!"

"No way! Someone our age teaching?!"

"I heard he's the pilot of that giant robot!"

"WHAT?! If he is, I'm going to kick his ass!"

Shinji sighed. Better to face the music and take charge immediately.

He stepped in with a cheerful smile.

"Hello everyone! Please take your seats," Shinji said brightly. He didn't look at his students and simply wrote his name on the board.

"I am Mister Ikari, I'll be your teacher," Shinji said, turning around and adjusting his glasses. "Does anyone have any questions?"

Nearly every hand went up, as did several students.

"Are you the pilot of the giant robot?"

"Do you really have a doctorate?"

"Are you single?"

"Can I have your autograph?"

Shinji sweatdropped as the students began to close in. "Uh... Yes. No. Yes. And... HEY! QUIET DOWN!" Shinji shouted. "Back to your seats!"

"Do as he says!"

Shinji looked gratefully over at a freckled girl in pigtails, who stepped in with a formidable glare. The students returned to their seats, a tall jock in jogging sweats in particular deathglaring at him, while several girls gave him lovestruck looks. The freckled girl nodded and turned to Shinji with a smile.

"Hello, I'm Horaki Hikari, the class rep. I'm sorry about that. Our class doesn't seem to have a lot of manners," Hikari emphasized this statement with a lethal glare at the class. Shinji mentally whistled-This girl was the type not to mess around. Good.

"Thank you Horaki. Good work," Shinji said with a smile. Hikari nodded, smiling brightly back, and then sat back down in her seat. Shinji cleared his throat and looked out at the class, before looking over the assigned textbook. He hid his grimace at the poor state of the text before looking back at the class.

"Well, it seems that you've been learning about Second Impact... Over and over again. So instead, we're going to be focusing on current events and the history and politics behind them," Shinji continued. He turned to the board and wrote down a number of items, including "energy shortages".

"Now, first things first: You, uh... Suzuhara," Shinji said, pointing at the glaring jock, "what does your textbook say the primary reason for the high prices of gasoline?"

Toji snorted, but read the required passage.

"Because the oil companies continue to... Demand the same amount of money despite not having the... Same refinement... infrastructure from before Second impact."

Shinji nodded. "All right. So, to summarize, the oil companies are greedy and making up for lost revenue, correct?"

The class nodded. Shinji smiled.

"Now, what sources does it cite for this?"

"Uh..." Toji thumbed for the page of sources, looking through them and scowling. "Tokyo Post, Shirakawa Political Think Tank..."

Toji slowly read the rest of the sources, and Shinji nodded.

"All right, and what are some of things these sources all have in common? Anyone?"

"All Japanese?"

"Uh... All in the textbook?"

Shinji smiled. "Those are true, but there should be something else. Something missing. A few things, in fact." Shinji leaned back against his desk.

"This deals with money, the economy, business. What would you expect to be cited then?"

A glasses-wearing boy with a camera raised his hand. "Um, an economist?"

Shinji nodded with a smile. "Yes, very good... Aida," he said, after checking his roster. "No citations from an economist, or an economic magazine. What else?"

"No sources from the oil companies?" A brown haired-girl ask. Shinji nodded.

"Yes, and why would that be important?"

"So we could see both sides of the issue," the girl replied. Shinji smiled and looked over at the rest of the class.

"Precisely. To summarize, we have a chapter about the problems of energy in the post-2I world that has lots of information from government think tanks and newspapers, but not by the oil companies themselves or economists. In other words, they only cite the sources of people who are outsiders to the actual problems and issues involved in the economy and energy production."

"So, they're wrong?" Aida asked. Shinji hummed.

"Well, they could be wrong, they could be right. The problem is that this issue is only being shown from one side, without being shown from the other side's point of view as well."

"So they only show us this one side?" the brown haired girl (Kirishima, according to the roster) asked. Shinji nodded.

"But why would they want to only show you one side?" Shinji asked aloud. He picked out Rei in the background.

"Ayanami?"

The injured girl slowly turned to Shinji , blinking her one eye. Shinji smiled.

"C'mon Ayanami, it's all right. Just give it your best shot," he encouraged. Rei blinked again.

"... Because it is the view the writers wished the student to have," she said simply. Shinji nodded.

"Exactly. Very good, Ayanami."

There were some curious looks and mutterings among the students. Ayanami, answering a question? Asked by the new teacher, no less?

Shinji smirked. So Rei could enter the discussion, huh? He didn't know why, exactly, but he was happy.

"Now, let's move on to..."

- - -

Shinji sighed as he followed Suzuhara and Aida. He didn't know why Toji had wanted to see him, but his instincts told him it couldn't be anything good.

They stopped behind the school, and Suzuhara spun around, glaring angrily at Shinji. The teacher stared evenly back.

"This isn't anything personal-" Toji stated, as he raised his fist.

"Forgive me for doubting that," Shinji replied evenly. He blocked Toji's first punch, stepping to his side as the jock lunged for him.

"Damnit-! Hold still!" Toji barked, continuing his swings and punches. Shinji continued to block them and move about, forcing Toji to become angrier and angrier.

"You son of a-!"

POW! Toji fell back, clutching his suddenly bloody nose as he hit the ground. Shinji walked over to look down on him, even as Kensuke, astonished, kept filming.

"Now, what's this about?" Shinji asked. Toji scowled.

"My sister got injured when you were prancing about in your damn giant robot! How the hell is she going to grow up to be a babe when she's as badly injured as she is! She might never walk again!"

Shinji frowned. "I didn't mean for that to happen... I really didn't. But it was either pilot the thing, and face the possibility of accidentally hurting, maybe even killing, innocent people... Or let the monster kill everyone." He looked pointedly at Toji.

"What would you choose?"

Toji stared back. The eyes of his teacher were strange now, darker. No hint of congeniality in them now.

His response was cut short by the soft voice of Rei Ayanami.

"Pilot Ikari... We must report to NERV. Another Angel has been sighted," she stated. Shinji nodded and sighed, looking at Toji in regret.

"I'm sorry about your sister..." With that, he ran off after Ayanami, leaving Toji to struggle back up, still glaring after him.

"Smart Toji, real smart," Kensuke sighed. "Assaulting a teacher and the pilot of the Eva?"

"Shut up Kensuke," Toji growled.
 

Lord Raa

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#37
Nice.

Does tread close to the "Shinji is sooo frickin' awesome he might as well not be called Shinji Ikari!" genre, but that's the risk one takes when one alters Shinji.

He needs a flaw of some description.
 
#38
Lord Raa said:
Nice.

Does tread close to the "Shinji is sooo frickin' awesome he might as well not be called Shinji Ikari!" genre, but that's the risk one takes when one alters Shinji.

He needs a flaw of some description.
Indeed. I've been giving it some thought.

Like Indy, Shinji is not invincible-He'll get beat up a lot and get injured for a lot of the stunts he pulls. He is much better adjusted thanks to his mentor/guardian, but he has suffered some during his life, non-intentionally by Indy.

Dr. Jones has been going all over the world and working for museums or the US government since the 1930s, thanks to the drink he had of the Holy Grail in the Inner Sanctum of the temple. I'm going with the idea that Indy drank out of a selfless cause, with a pure spirit which made him immortal-His father, while also a good and brave man, was being healed.

Anyway, this didn't change with Shinji along, and sometimes Indiana had to leave Shinji behind to do the right thing. This hurt Shinji when it happened, and still sometimes does-While he loves his "Uncle Indy" and takes after him, he still has some resentment towards him for all of that. He also hates his father, of course, and isn't afraid to express it despite the possible consequences.

When it comes to saving someone, Shinji can be very reckless, also like Indiana. He gets banged up and hurt even when other people could do things. He doesn't like the idea of any other Eva pilots because he thinks that, despite everything it's his responsibility to do so, and also because he wants to make Indiana proud of him for doing the right thing.

Shinji also has a very hard time turning down women asking him to do things. Probably related to a lack of a mother figure during his life with Indiana, he tries to keep his emotional distance to women even while trying to please them.

He maintains a certain emotional distance from everyone in order to do his job-It takes a lot of goodwill to become his friend, let alone his lover.

This work, or do I need more Lord Raa?
 

Raneko

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#39
You may want to drop the immortality thing and make Indy extremly long lived.
It would help build suspense if we knew and Shinji knew. That every time his uncle went out that door with a plane ticket, he might not be coming back.

Also would Indy adopt Shinji?
 
#40
Raneko said:
You may want to drop the immortality thing and make Indy extremly long lived.
It would help build suspense if we knew and Shinji knew. That every time his uncle went out that door with a plane ticket, he might not be coming back.

Also would Indy adopt Shinji?
Well, he's not immortal in that he can't be killed. He's immortal in the sense that he won't die of old age.

Yeah, that would be better, though how would it effect Shinji in the long run?

Essentially yes-Gendo gave up his guardian rights but in Japan he could do whatever he wanted with Shinji. Indy picked him up, brought him to the US, the US and Japan worked the legalese for a while but since Shinji is, in a legal sense an orphan (as his father gave up his guardianship rights), Indiana was allowed to adopt Shinji and make him a citizen of the United States.

A few of Indiana's friends in the the government also helped cover up Shinji's life in the US and painted the picture so that Gendo thought that his plan was still working-Shinji would be alone a lot of the time due to this Dr. Jone's propensity for frequent travel and would still come to him at the right time. And if Indiana Jones were to... "Vanish" in Japan near the time of the Third Angel's arrival, all the better.

Gendo, however, has been relying on faulty intelligence for his scenario...
 

Raneko

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#41
If Indy impressed the reason's why it was so important that he left alone on some of these trips. Shinji would understand, the same way a child of a Soldier, Police man or fire man might understand.
 

elof

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#42
umm will Shinjii has his own version of Marian Ravenwood here?
 

bdavi

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#43
elof: I'm pretty sure that Asuka would be the equivalent of Marian.

Nice work, man. If he were truly Indy's spawn he'd have gotten roughed up a little bit, though. Indy never does well in fist fights.

BD
 

BF110C4

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#44
Great update, he is not only a good history teacher, but one who makes their students think and question their knowledge, that he would kick ass was expected

Did you ever saw the adventures of Young Indiana Jones?, in those series Indi is an grumpy 90+ years old man who talks about his past aventures with Pancho Villa, Mata Hari and many other famous people.


It would be an interesting twist if this Indiana Jones actually looks his age, with the Grail giving long life and energy but not stopping the pass of time. Hell maybe as far as we know, the elixier can only lose it's power when the person thinks that the mission of his lifetime is over, that would explain the death of the knight in the movie after all those years, or why Dr Jones' father is death after drinking from the Grail.
 
#45
bdavi said:
elof: I'm pretty sure that Asuka would be the equivalent of Marian.

Nice work, man. If he were truly Indy's spawn he'd have gotten roughed up a little bit, though. Indy never does well in fist fights.

BD
Well, yes. A bit. But Indy usually gets roughed up the most against single opponents... And they aren't high school jocks. Still, good point.

Oh hell no. No. I detest Shinji/Asuka unless Asuka's gotten some sense kicked into her hypocritical, arrogant, messed up head.

Besides, Shinji is not going to be entirely like his guardian. No need for him to have just one femme fatale, no?

Also, Kaji as his Belloq, as in his rival archeaologist/spy, would be interesting-Especially if they had met several times before. Thoughts on how that could go, gentlemen?
 

nantukoprime

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#46
I think the fourth movie can fit quite well into the backplot for Indy's character in this story.

Indiana is quite long lived and relatively fit thanks to the grail. Not arguing that, though the reason the blessing might extend beyond the seal was because Indy only drank to confirm its identity so that he would not be killing his father. Selfless acts are always great positives in Christianity.

Spoilers for fourth movie, and the rest of my interpretation:

The aliens chose that time to leave because they could detect through their hivemind that powerful beings were seeking the world's/reality's destruction. This fills the plothole that the movie had in the reason why the aliens started communicating to man, even back in the sixteenth century(I think that when the El Dorado legends started). Indy starts pursuing solely ancient Christian and Judaic artifacts after that, as a sense of foreboding remains in his mind from his time with the skull.

Indy has great guilt not being present during Henry Jones III childhood. After Henry III death during Second Impact, Indy's guilt causes him to react appropriately in seeing Shinji in his situation. Indy absconds him to America, but the lingering foreboding from the skull constantly sends him away looking for the solution to the Adam/Eve problem.
 

Hawk

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#47
If you want to make Indy immortal(in the ageless sense) another factor to consider is the destruction of the seal. Sure the immortality fails when one passes beyond the seal, but with the seal destroyed there is no "beyond the seal". This would obviously ignore the fourth movie. I like the idea though that the knight and Indy's father die because they feel their mission in life is complete.

Though the idea about his selfless act being key makes sense as well.
 
#48
nantukoprime said:
I think the fourth movie can fit quite well into the backplot for Indy's character in this story.

Indiana is quite long lived and relatively fit thanks to the grail.? Not arguing that, though the reason the blessing might extend beyond the seal was because Indy only drank to confirm its identity so that he would not be killing his father.? Selfless acts are always great positives in Christianity.

Spoilers for fourth movie, and the rest of my interpretation:

The aliens chose that time to leave because they could detect through their hivemind that powerful beings were seeking the world's/reality's destruction.? This fills the plothole that the movie had in the reason why the aliens started communicating to man, even back in the sixteenth century(I think that when the El Dorado legends started).? Indy starts pursuing solely ancient Christian and Judaic artifacts after that, as a sense of foreboding remains in his mind from his time with the skull.

Indy has great guilt not being present during Henry Jones III childhood.? After Henry III death during Second Impact, Indy's guilt causes him to react appropriately in seeing Shinji in his situation.? Indy absconds him to America, but the lingering foreboding from the skull constantly sends him away looking for the solution to the Adam/Eve problem.
Ah, that would work! Shinji would feel he had to stand on his own if his uncle never came back. He's stronger willed but, like Indy, a bit of a loner. And has trouble getting close to people. In addition, he's a bit reckless like Indy (running from the Third Angel and using his own umbilical cord as a bullwhip).

So overall, I think we've got Shinji's faults. And his biggest fears would be to disappoint Indy and end up like his father.

Highlight for spoiler-based text:

Indy might have been trying to find another alien monument or ship for use against SEELE when he went missing. He had a lead in Japan, when he vanished. Hence Shinji's trying to find Indy while also piloting the Evangelion, all with the suspiscion that they are connected.
 

bdavi

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#49
Andrew Joshua Talon said:
bdavi said:
elof: I'm pretty sure that Asuka would be the equivalent of Marian.

Nice work, man. If he were truly Indy's spawn he'd have gotten roughed up a little bit, though. Indy never does well in fist fights.

BD
Well, yes. A bit. But Indy usually gets roughed up the most against single opponents... And they aren't high school jocks. Still, good point.

Oh hell no. No. I detest Shinji/Asuka unless Asuka's gotten some sense kicked into her hypocritical, arrogant, messed up head.

Besides, Shinji is not going to be entirely like his guardian. No need for him to have just one femme fatale, no?

Also, Kaji as his Belloq, as in his rival archeaologist/spy, would be interesting-Especially if they had met several times before. Thoughts on how that could go, gentlemen?
Even if you don't make Shinji and Asuka a pairing you must admit that Asuka does possess most of Marian's qualities.

Both are very strong willed and do not take orders easily. Both can hold a grudge and both can kick ass.

Just my .02 cents.

BD
 

trevelyan1983

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#50
bdavi said:
Even if you don't make Shinji and Asuka a pairing you must admit that Asuka does possess most of Marian's qualities.

Both are very strong willed and do not take orders easily. Both can hold a grudge and both can kick ass.

Just my .02 cents.

BD
I'd second this. Regardless of our own likes and dislikes in EVA, there's a heck of a precedent for strong-willed, feisty, messed-up women in the Indy films. If Shinji's taking after Indy, he may well be attracted to similar women.

It's also worth noting that Asuka's intro will go down very, very differently with Indiana Ikari. As the story develops, her actions will not play out in the same way either. The hedgehog theory does not apply.

I'd even go so far as to suggest that Rei and Asuka will both want Shinji, for their own reasons. That would create a very different dynamic, as well as offering a different kind of tension in the story.
 
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