Ranma ½ Kicking fanon in the teeth

[Deathwings]

Flanderization

One of the biggest fucking pain in the ass in the fanfiction world.

And when you have a fandom like Ranma 1/2 which is older then what we can consider the modern Internet, it tend to get just ridiculous.
And THEN, there are the stuff that came out of NOWHERE but become so popular that it become canon to the mindless cheeps who call themselves fans.

I am, of course, talking about all those concept such as HONOR!Ranma, Donthitgirl!Ranma, Bellandymk2!Kasumi, Breadwinner!Nabiki, so on and so forth.

Then there are such things as Jusenkyo all encompassing invincibility that defeat even the the Ultimate Force or the retarded approach that 99% of Ranma-chan take when "ploting", if you can call it that...

At least Ozz/Teflon give us a good plot, deep psychological development and is realist when it come to character progression (or at least his most recent works are).
What does the average writer do ? He go all "LOLRANMACHANLOLOLOLOL1111!!!" and suddenly Ranma discovered his "female side" ( :headbanger: ), swear off his masculinity and become the textbook example of the slutty bimbo...oh, if there is an SI, she fuck him, of course, and half of the male cast...

We got some real winner here...

*sigh* :no:

So anyway...I decide to create that thread for the purpose of making fun of all those cliche and fanon stupidity, so that we won't need to invade the other thread to do so.

Take a cliche, any cliche and either explain why it would NEVER EVER work, is completely dumb or, if the selected one is at least semi-valid, why you are so goddamn tired of it.

Or better yet, write a snippet about it.

Also, please, if a specific debate already has his own thread, such as the one about Akane, don't bring it here.

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I'll go first, since I create the thread and all.

One particular thing that annoy me in Ranma fanfiction is the seemingly all powerful JUSENKYO !!!

No really, I saw A!MG crossover where Jusenkyo was more powerful then gods and goddess ! That's just fucking ridiculous... :no:

If fanfictions are to be believed, Jusenkyo is apparently a sentient spirit that can fuck over about just anything, can provoke rain from nowhere, make water flow uphill and is otherwise so powerful that you have to ask yourself just why it has not taken over the world yet. :no:

Really, it's at the point where I am thinking about creating a thread where we could humiliate Jusenkyo to our hearth content...hell, it would already be up if I had a good opening post for it.

So really, who is with me on this one ? :lol:

 

[SotF]

Jusenkyo being stronger than dieties is actually quite possible considering Saffron. (Not that it would really bother a walking fireball as any water would be heated before touching him anyway.

With it being semi-sentient and able to influence things to trigger itself, well, as it is magic and it is a comedy series which means that it could happen. It is magic after all and is largely undefined as anything more than as a source of humor.

 

[Deathwings]

Discarding the fact that Saffron is most likely not a divinity, I was talking about A!MG level divinity here...you know, the kind who can destroy the word with a hiccup if they aren't wearing their limiter at the time...

And don't get me started about those fic where Ranma become an actual god (or demon) but can't get out from under Jusenkyo's thumb event tough he should be capable of shapeshifting. :no:

Or worse, the one where he become a goddess for no goddamn reason... :no:

 

[Lawra]

My personal pet peeve is the neko-Ranma loves Akane spiel that comes out the first time he goes into the neko-ken. Missing of course that Ranma ignored Akane, until she shot a giant bag of catnip at him. I blame this page, and Akane's dunder duo friends. Even the anime got it right, though they did add in Soun for some stupid reason. Not to say neko-Ranma doesn't tend to go to her but this true love and he automatically does it for no reason thing is a sham.

Sotf brings up another bad one, Saffron as a God, and Ranma feeling horrible about killing him.

Non weapon using Ranma
Beyond ridiculous level misogynistic Genma/Ranma
All the characters know each other and regularly get together. Is there ever an instance outside of the wedding where everyone got together? Let alone where someone would say gather everyone and they all clammer into the Tendo living room without a fuss.

Snippet you say?

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ôDemon me.ö Mara pointed to herself. ôGive wish you.ö Pointing to him. ôNow get on with it.ö

ôAh.ö Scrunching his face up in thought he wondering what kind of catch would come along with this. ôA wish you say?ö

ôYes.ö

ôAnything I want?ö

ôNo, so don't go wishing for world peace, end to world hunger, or any garbage like that.ö Folding up her legs the girl sat in mid air with her arms crossed. ôI'm a demon not some goody two shoes goddess.ö

ôCould you cure my curse?ö He asked excitedly. Wouldn't that show that old pervert the next time he tried to get his sick jollies by splashing him with water.

ôEh? A curse? What kind?ö

ôJusenkyo.ö

ôChilds play.ö

ôThen I want that!ö

ôNo can do.ö

ôWhat?! But you said I get a wish and that it would be easy!ö

ôSo what? It's beneath me to remove such a paltry low level curse.ö

 

[PCHeintz72]

Yeah... but were that continued, she could probably be taunted into it. I could easily see Ranma saying he knew she couldn't do it, and her coming back and doing it just to prove him wrong.

Of course, were that to happen, for spite she might well cure him to be a girl 100% of the time.

 

[Lawra]

Yeah... but were that continued, she could probably be taunted into it. I could easily see Ranma saying he knew she couldn't do it, and her coming back and doing it just to prove him wrong.

Of course, were that to happen, for spite she might well cure him to be a girl 100% of the time.

It's from this idea I had. Where Mara makes it her job to torment Ranma.

 

[John Tannius]

Yeah... but were that continued, she could probably be taunted into it. I could easily see Ranma saying he knew she couldn't do it, and her coming back and doing it just to prove him wrong.

Of course, were that to happen, for spite she might well cure him to be a girl 100% of the time.

I'd read it...

Sadly to say I am just as guilty of the Nabiki/Provider fannon as a lot of the older authors. There was nothing specifically stating she wasn't doing it so I went with it in one or two of my stories. I agree 100% that canon Nabs is an evil manipulative bitch and it was cool to see one or two fics back in the day that would try to explain that away and show a softer side underneath but then everyone jumped on the bandwagon and it's just no fun anymore.

 

[foesjoe]

Yeah... but were that continued, she could probably be taunted into it. I could easily see Ranma saying he knew she couldn't do it, and her coming back and doing it just to prove him wrong.

Of course, were that to happen, for spite she might well cure him to be a girl 100% of the time.

That wouldn't be a cure though. The girl form is the curse. Curing him would mean removing the curse, not switching things so that Ranma is cursed all the time.

 

[Lawra]

Yeah...? but were that continued, she could probably be taunted into it.? I could easily see Ranma saying he knew she couldn't do it, and her coming back and doing it just to prove him wrong.

Of course, were that to happen, for spite she might well cure him to be a girl 100% of the time.

That wouldn't be a cure though. The girl form is the curse. Curing him would mean removing the curse, not switching things so that Ranma is cursed all the time.

It would cure him of the water part of the curse. Say multiple levels to Jusenkyo. 1st is water shape shifting, second is water attraction, and third is a different form.

 

[foesjoe]

Yeah...á but were that continued, she could probably be taunted into it.á I could easily see Ranma saying he knew she couldn't do it, and her coming back and doing it just to prove him wrong.

Of course, were that to happen, for spite she might well cure him to be a girl 100% of the time.

That wouldn't be a cure though. The girl form is the curse. Curing him would mean removing the curse, not switching things so that Ranma is cursed all the time.

It would cure him of the water part of the curse. Say multiple levels to Jusenkyo. 1st is water shape shifting, second is water attraction, and third is a different form.

Uhm, no. If Ranma says "I want you to cure my Jusenkyo curse" and that wish is granted, then they would have to cure the Jusenkyo curse.

It's ONE curse, not "O no! Mister customer fall into Spring of drowned Girl, now you have Jusenkyo curses."

I also don't believe in that water attraction thing. If that was true, then it would have been revealed that Ryoga is P-Chan. Yet somehow there's never a hot water pipe bursting when P-Chan is snuggling in Akane's bosom. Or random kids throwing around water bombs when Ryoga is talking to Akane.

 

[Lawra]

I also don't believe in that water attraction thing. If that was true, then it would have been revealed that Ryoga is P-Chan. Yet somehow there's never a hot water pipe bursting when P-Chan is snuggling in Akane's bosom. Or random kids throwing around water bombs when Ryoga is talking to Akane.

Completely forgetting that Ranma gets splashed often and for random reasons that don't come up for any other person. See any of the issues with Ranma hiding from his mother.

 

[Hawk]

I also don't believe in that water attraction thing. If that was true, then it would have been revealed that Ryoga is P-Chan. Yet somehow there's never a hot water pipe bursting when P-Chan is snuggling in Akane's bosom. Or random kids throwing around water bombs when Ryoga is talking to Akane.

Completely forgetting that Ranma gets splashed often and for random reasons that don't come up for any other person. See any of the issues with Ranma hiding from his mother.

Yeah, I have to agree. The likelihood of a person getting splashed in normal life is far lower than for Ranma. I don't think I've ever been splashed with water unexpectedly.

 

[foesjoe]

I also don't believe in that water attraction thing. If that was true, then it would have been revealed that Ryoga is P-Chan. Yet somehow there's never a hot water pipe bursting when P-Chan is snuggling in Akane's bosom. Or random kids throwing around water bombs when Ryoga is talking to Akane.

Completely forgetting that Ranma gets splashed often and for random reasons that don't come up for any other person. See any of the issues with Ranma hiding from his mother.

That's one example pointing towards "Jusenkyo victims attract water." But there are six examples pointing towards "Jusenkyo victims don't attract water."

 

[PCHeintz72]

Yeah...á but were that continued, she could probably be taunted into it.á I could easily see Ranma saying he knew she couldn't do it, and her coming back and doing it just to prove him wrong.

Of course, were that to happen, for spite she might well cure him to be a girl 100% of the time.

That wouldn't be a cure though. The girl form is the curse. Curing him would mean removing the curse, not switching things so that Ranma is cursed all the time.

It would cure him of the water part of the curse. Say multiple levels to Jusenkyo. 1st is water shape shifting, second is water attraction, and third is a different form.

Uhm, no. If Ranma says "I want you to cure my Jusenkyo curse" and that wish is granted, then they would have to cure the Jusenkyo curse.

It's ONE curse, not "O no! Mister customer fall into Spring of drowned Girl, now you have Jusenkyo curses."

I also don't believe in that water attraction thing. If that was true, then it would have been revealed that Ryoga is P-Chan. Yet somehow there's never a hot water pipe bursting when P-Chan is snuggling in Akane's bosom. Or random kids throwing around water bombs when Ryoga is talking to Akane.

If Ranma is female at the time, and removes the curse, that effectively curse him, and locks him female.

Keep in mind, this is a wish with a demon, a infernal being. Think Monkey's paw type wish. If they can screw with you, they just might if it amuses them.

 

[Ezit Meti]

There was a conversation between Genma and Ranma during Nodoka's initial arc that involved Genma trying to persuade Ranma that water seeks him out. While giving increasingly ludicrous examples of ways it could happen, just before they happened.

It might have been part of the curse. Or it might have just been something to do with Ranma himself. He seemed to take the accidental curse thing a lot more than the others.

As far as how regularly the cursed people got splashed with cold water... Rain does the job nicely.

Sadly to say I am just as guilty of the Nabiki/Provider fannon as a lot of the older authors. There was nothing specifically stating she wasn't doing it so I went with it in one or two of my stories. I agree 100% that canon Nabs is an evil manipulative bitch and it was cool to see one or two fics back in the day that would try to explain that away and show a softer side underneath but then everyone jumped on the bandwagon and it's just no fun anymore.

And this pretty much illustrates where a lot of the currently existing fanon probably comes from. One guy thought it would make a nice story idea, and everybody else stated copying... until it became accepted truth. I don't have a problem with people making up stuff for a fic. It's their story, do what you like. But when people start claiming "this is how they'd act," or that fanon is canon... that annoys me a bit.

 

[Lawra]

That's one example pointing towards "Jusenkyo victims attract water." But there are six examples pointing towards "Jusenkyo victims don't attract water."

They all get splashed at inconvenient times and I'd rather not have to go through and note each occurrence. Although here's one, and another.

 

[Dumbledork]

In my opinion it's futile to discuss most of the theories about Jusenkyo since you can always find examples in favour of or against a theory in the manga or anime. Simply put, Jusenkyo works however the fanfic writer wants it to work. Period.

Best example is how everyone talks about a supposed Takahashi interview where she said that jumping into the boy spring would cure Ranma. Then how do you explain Taro.

Smply put. Jusenkyo works however it was most convenient for Takahashi's story.

 

[SotF]

I also don't believe in that water attraction thing. If that was true, then it would have been revealed that Ryoga is P-Chan. Yet somehow there's never a hot water pipe bursting when P-Chan is snuggling in Akane's bosom. Or random kids throwing around water bombs when Ryoga is talking to Akane.

Completely forgetting that Ranma gets splashed often and for random reasons that don't come up for any other person. See any of the issues with Ranma hiding from his mother.

That's one example pointing towards "Jusenkyo victims attract water." But there are six examples pointing towards "Jusenkyo victims don't attract water."

There are lots of examples of cold water getting on them at the strangest time (Comedic effect being the actual source), hot water is different. So it would seem that if it was trying to cause the curse, then it was trying to trigger the cursed form more often.

If you cross with O!MG, then it is quite possible that Jusenkyo was the result of a demon or diety (or both, perhaps several of one, the other, or both) and that be why its impossible to deal with.

Concerning Saffron as a god, it is quite possible that they never faced the phoenix at his full power and it is possible that as his is on a cycle that he could at his height have nigh infinite power only to burn out and start the cycle once again (Who knows for sure as it isn't shown).

 

[Lawra]

Concerning Saffron as a god, it is quite possible that they never faced the phoenix at his full power and it is possible that as his is on a cycle that he could at his height have nigh infinite power? only to burn out and start the cycle once again (Who knows for sure as it isn't shown).

Ranma/Ryoga/Mousse thought that because his rebirth wasn't complete that he was weak. While the old phoenix guy said it was the opposite, full strength but lacking any control over it.

 

[SotF]

Concerning Saffron as a god, it is quite possible that they never faced the phoenix at his full power and it is possible that as his is on a cycle that he could at his height have nigh infinite power? only to burn out and start the cycle once again (Who knows for sure as it isn't shown).

Ranma/Ryoga/Mousse thought that because his rebirth wasn't complete that he was weak. While the old phoenix guy said it was the opposite, full strength but lacking power to control it.

Except that other than that comment there is nothing else saying one way or the other, hell he could be limited in output because of that lack of control.

 

[Lawra]

Except that other than that comment there is nothing else saying one way or the other, hell he could be limited in output because of that lack of control.

Word of old phoenix guy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> three teenage idiots who are in their situation because of a misunderstanding. (And who actually take his word for it.)

 

[Ezit Meti]

It is a common misconception that Saffron is a god or demigod. This is completely false. He is a phoenix, and is thus immortal, but he never makes any claims of being a god, nor does anyone else ever call him a god.

Courtesy of Saffron's wiki page.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Best example is how everyone talks about a supposed Takahashi interview where she said that jumping into the boy spring would cure Ranma. Then how do you explain Taro.

Easy... talks are non-canon material.

 

[TeflonBooger]

Flanderization

One of the biggest fucking pain in the ass in the fanfiction world.

And when you have a fandom like Ranma 1/2 which is older then what we can consider the modern Internet, it tend to get just ridiculous.
And THEN, there are the stuff that came out of NOWHERE but become so popular that it become canon to the mindless cheeps who call themselves fans.

I am, of course, talking about all those concept such as HONOR!Ranma, Donthitgirl!Ranma, Bellandymk2!Kasumi, Breadwinner!Nabiki, so on and so forth.

Such anger... Such HATE... Now you will join the dark side!

Hmm, not sure if being singled out is good or bad, especially as I've been known to purposely ignore canon in favor of fanon at times, but I'll roll with it, specifically stupid!ranma. Hate that. He's obvious written as a somewhat intelligent charater, uses big words and applies complex theory (divining that thereputic magnets to cure Asura's shoulder pain for example) etc. Sure, he's rough around the edges, but the "duh, what?" character some fics draw him as really grates.

 

[Garahs]

It is a common misconception that Saffron is a god or demigod. This is completely false. He is a phoenix, and is thus immortal, but he never makes any claims of being a god, nor does anyone else ever call him a god.

Courtesy of Saffron's wiki page.

A phoenix is considered to be a god in most, if not all, eastern religions as far as I know.