Ranma ½ Kicking fanon in the teeth
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Volume 28 and Ryu Kumon is my most favorite in all the manga by far. Yeah, I like Ryu even moreso than Ranma in this.
I think it's not only because of the Senkens, but the mere fact that Ranma has to seal them away instead of using the invisibility or learning Kijin Raishu Dan and adding it to his arsenal. Unlike the Parlay du Fois Gras or a number of techniques he learns, Umi and Yama are actually martial art styles and damn useful to know. Why would Genma of all people not use them in his own daily life is beyond WTF. It's just not something he would avoid using, as many situations he's been in where he would need to make a quick escape or blow holes through walls.
To make it even more mindboggling, Genma cites that he sealed away the Senkens because they were too dangerous. Yet, he gave away the Yamasenken, without instruction one, to a total stranger for the sole purpose of this guy going out and steal the money he needs to restore his dojo. And it wasn't like Genma kept tabs on said guy in the first place.
Also, it's one of the few times Genma reveals that he's a motherfucking badass instead of a lazy bum that's plotting stupid/insane plans and is mainly seen teaching Ranma a number of cowardly "techniques" like Crouch of the Wild Tiger.
So, in a nutshell, Umi and Yama were just way too good to NOT be used in the manga at least once more since they were introduced. Saffron would have died from one Moko Kaimon Ha or Dokuja Tanketsu Sho before he could leave the ground or frantically looking for a Ranma he can't see only to be on the receiving end of Haku Dato Shin Sho.
Volume 28 and Ryu Kumon is my most favorite in all the manga by far. Yeah, I like Ryu even moreso than Ranma in this.
I think it's not only because of the Senkens, but the mere fact that Ranma has to seal them away instead of using the invisibility or learning Kijin Raishu Dan and adding it to his arsenal. Unlike the Parlay du Fois Gras or a number of techniques he learns, Umi and Yama are actually martial art styles and damn useful to know. Why would Genma of all people not use them in his own daily life is beyond WTF. It's just not something he would avoid using, as many situations he's been in where he would need to make a quick escape or blow holes through walls.
To make it even more mindboggling, Genma cites that he sealed away the Senkens because they were too dangerous. Yet, he gave away the Yamasenken, without instruction one, to a total stranger for the sole purpose of this guy going out and steal the money he needs to restore his dojo. And it wasn't like Genma kept tabs on said guy in the first place.
Also, it's one of the few times Genma reveals that he's a motherfucking badass instead of a lazy bum that's plotting stupid/insane plans and is mainly seen teaching Ranma a number of cowardly "techniques" like Crouch of the Wild Tiger.
So, in a nutshell, Umi and Yama were just way too good to NOT be used in the manga at least once more since they were introduced. Saffron would have died from one Moko Kaimon Ha or Dokuja Tanketsu Sho before he could leave the ground or frantically looking for a Ranma he can't see only to be on the receiving end of Haku Dato Shin Sho.
While I agree with you, I was under the impression that one of Genma sealed the styles because the retard father of Kummon killed himself learning the Yama Sen Ken.
Besides that those techniques are over the top for most of the Ranma1/2 arcs so Takahashi probably sealed them and forgot about it in order to keep it as a comedy, the Sen Kens belong more to a shonen style of manga rather than a comedy.
I also think that they give some character to Genma it show that the old man can kick ass when he puts his mind into it, and that he has enough character to seal something that can be used and abused in a very bad way by people like Kummon.
Besides that I have always been of the idea that the Sen Kens are based in the Saotome style, that's one of the reasons why Ranma learned it so fast and the scroll alone wouldn't be enough to learn the Umi Sen Ken.
Think about it how many would see the techniques in action and think that they are based in 2 different styles of stealing a house, to me they are more than just a pair of set of techniques, it also needs a proper mindset, just like the one Ranma had to develop over a week to master the Umi Sen Ken.
Besides that those techniques are over the top for most of the Ranma1/2 arcs so Takahashi probably sealed them and forgot about it in order to keep it as a comedy, the Sen Kens belong more to a shonen style of manga rather than a comedy.
I also think that they give some character to Genma it show that the old man can kick ass when he puts his mind into it, and that he has enough character to seal something that can be used and abused in a very bad way by people like Kummon.
Besides that I have always been of the idea that the Sen Kens are based in the Saotome style, that's one of the reasons why Ranma learned it so fast and the scroll alone wouldn't be enough to learn the Umi Sen Ken.
Think about it how many would see the techniques in action and think that they are based in 2 different styles of stealing a house, to me they are more than just a pair of set of techniques, it also needs a proper mindset, just like the one Ranma had to develop over a week to master the Umi Sen Ken.
I don't think a Mouko Kaimon Ha would have killed Saffron, since it's just slapping the person's arms aside, exposing their torso, and kicking them really hard an instant later or simultaneously. Saffron wouldn't even need to regenerate.
Dokuja Tanketsu Shou, sure... if the heart really can be torn out. And assuming Saffron's hax regeneration couldn't grow a new one damn near instantly.
As for the Haku Datou Shin Shou... uh, bad move. That will just force Saffron's power out the back in an explosive burst. Considering that Saffron is by far the most powerful entity in the series... yeah. Bad move. And trying to strike Saffron physically without a buffer in-between you and his monstrously hot aura, once he really gets going, is also a bad move.
Dokuja Tanketsu Shou, sure... if the heart really can be torn out. And assuming Saffron's hax regeneration couldn't grow a new one damn near instantly.
As for the Haku Datou Shin Shou... uh, bad move. That will just force Saffron's power out the back in an explosive burst. Considering that Saffron is by far the most powerful entity in the series... yeah. Bad move. And trying to strike Saffron physically without a buffer in-between you and his monstrously hot aura, once he really gets going, is also a bad move.
True, but IIRC, Saffron, having never been in a real fight before, couldn't take a hit well. And I've always thought of Moko Kaimon Ha basically creating a vacuum right in front of the user, so that the kicking leg cuts right through with zero resistance.
Guy guarding his face and body with his arms up and close to his chest? Rip the guard open and kick the unprepared, defenseless chest with sudden, unresisted force.
Of course, Saffron's aura would be a problem. It's been a while since I read that fight.
Guy guarding his face and body with his arms up and close to his chest? Rip the guard open and kick the unprepared, defenseless chest with sudden, unresisted force.
Of course, Saffron's aura would be a problem. It's been a while since I read that fight.
Those techniques really aren't that special for this series at all. Take invisibility for example: Ranma was sneaking up on people and surprising them even early in the manga for example how he snuck up on Cologne or how he likes to sneak up and surprise Akane. - It is not the only version of stealth used - disguises, camouflage, sneak attacks, smoke bombs, distraction, and ambush were all used at various times as well and could be just as effective as invisibility in many circumstances.
Vacuum blades - Techniques with similar effect (cutting from a distance) are: Herbs ki blades, Tatewaki's air pressure waves, Kima's Feathers, Ryoga's bandannas, Konatsu's paper storm, Kodachi's razor hoops, Mousse's barrage of sharp weapons, etc. they aren't really uncommon in the series.
The reason Ranma doesn't use cutting/lethal/maiming techniques (which we are shown he knows at least a few for example how he cut a perfect hole through Ryoga's house wall bare handed -and a lot of the things we see him do could easily be made lethal were he to want to use them in that way) are varied. For starters Ranma prefers to beat his opponents at their own game when he can (i.e. limited to their style of combat like the martial arts cheerleading arc or the tea ceremony arc). Second Ranma goes to pretty great lengths to not seriously hurt his opponents even going so far as to prevent them from receiving excess damage - example saving Herb. Third Ranma often plays with his opponents and doesn't take them seriously - example ignoring Tatewaki to look at the pictures once he got a bit serious Kuno was out before he could even notice it or how during an early fight with Ryoga he spent more time and energy arguing with Akane than paying attention to Ryoga. Fourth Ranma doesn't use excessive force often underestimating his opponents (he could go into every battle using ki blasts or full speed but he doesn't and he has underestimated opponents abilities on occasion). Fifth often defeating the opponent even isn't his goal or is secondary to some other objective - example his goal was not to beat Miss Hinako, whom he could have just knocked out at pretty much will, but to defeat her technique. Sixth Ranma prefers to outsmart, outskill, or trick opponents rather than over power them when he can. Seventh Ranma is rarely in situations that he feels warrants maiming or killing his opponents. Basically Ranma limits himself in various ways for various reasons and tries to avoid injuring his opponents.
Vacuum blades - Techniques with similar effect (cutting from a distance) are: Herbs ki blades, Tatewaki's air pressure waves, Kima's Feathers, Ryoga's bandannas, Konatsu's paper storm, Kodachi's razor hoops, Mousse's barrage of sharp weapons, etc. they aren't really uncommon in the series.
The reason Ranma doesn't use cutting/lethal/maiming techniques (which we are shown he knows at least a few for example how he cut a perfect hole through Ryoga's house wall bare handed -and a lot of the things we see him do could easily be made lethal were he to want to use them in that way) are varied. For starters Ranma prefers to beat his opponents at their own game when he can (i.e. limited to their style of combat like the martial arts cheerleading arc or the tea ceremony arc). Second Ranma goes to pretty great lengths to not seriously hurt his opponents even going so far as to prevent them from receiving excess damage - example saving Herb. Third Ranma often plays with his opponents and doesn't take them seriously - example ignoring Tatewaki to look at the pictures once he got a bit serious Kuno was out before he could even notice it or how during an early fight with Ryoga he spent more time and energy arguing with Akane than paying attention to Ryoga. Fourth Ranma doesn't use excessive force often underestimating his opponents (he could go into every battle using ki blasts or full speed but he doesn't and he has underestimated opponents abilities on occasion). Fifth often defeating the opponent even isn't his goal or is secondary to some other objective - example his goal was not to beat Miss Hinako, whom he could have just knocked out at pretty much will, but to defeat her technique. Sixth Ranma prefers to outsmart, outskill, or trick opponents rather than over power them when he can. Seventh Ranma is rarely in situations that he feels warrants maiming or killing his opponents. Basically Ranma limits himself in various ways for various reasons and tries to avoid injuring his opponents.