Ranma ½ Kicking fanon in the teeth

[PCHeintz72]

You know those that start with a description of a "typical day" for Ranma. Bucket of water to the face/thrown into the pond, malleted at the breakfast table, encounter with the ladle lady, fight with Tatewaki, standing in the hall with buckets, drained by Miss Hinako, every fiancÚe tries to feed him during dinner, every rival attacks, gets malleted by Akane again, etc. etc.

... and if they didn't have Ranma going homicidal in a week then I throw the bullshit flag. I mean come on... how much can a person take before they snap?

I'm giving Ranma the benefit of the doubt by saying that he would last a week.

It should be pointed out that the 2nd movie canon material kind of reinforces the theory he fights them all every day...

The whole opening 10-15 minutes shows that... until it is interrupted by the elephant with a black battle aura.

Does not make it true... sure does imply and reinforce it though.


Oh... and NDF... I was not saying the translation was wrong... I was saying that Kuno calls Ranma-chan by a couple different names... yet fan fiction centers almost solely on the one... It has always puzzled me why that would be the case.

 

[Ezit Meti]

Ranma has been shown relaxing with a book on occasion as well. Yeah. You wouldn't think it based off what some people write about him, but it is shown. There are plenty of times when he's not being harassed by any of the cast members for stuff and gets to just, you know, relax.

We just don't see that stuff because it's not really important to the story, or all that interesting. I mean...

Panel 1: Ranma holding a book while lying on a bed.

Panel 2: Ranma licks his finger.

Panel 3: Ranma turns the page.

Not exactly compelling reading. Well, not for us. Ranma's probably engrossed.

 

[Muphrid]

Oh...? and NDF...? I was not saying the translation was wrong...? I was saying that Kuno calls Ranma-chan by a couple different names...? yet fan fiction centers almost solely on the one...? It has always puzzled me why that would be the case.

I think there's an element of practicality here. Kuno doesn't know the "pigtailed girl's" name, so if you're writing the characters cognizant of that, either you invent a new word or phase for him to describe her every time, or you stick with the most common one, or you work in between. If Kuno is your comic relief character and just pops in for gags, having a new, exaggerating, ridiculous name for the pigtailed girl every time he shows up is comedy. Heck, if you're writing his thought process and in the same paragraph he doesn't refer to her the same way twice, that could be pretty hilarious, too. But if you're not doing that gag, I can't help but think the most efficient thing is to let the name get out of the way and not draw any attention--one name/phrase/whatever does that job.

That said, it does make me think Kuno can be written better in part by avoiding this "trap," so to speak. And we all know Kuno needs help avoiding traps.

 

[Anonguy]

You know those that start with a description of a "typical day" for Ranma. Bucket of water to the face/thrown into the pond, malleted at the breakfast table, encounter with the ladle lady, fight with Tatewaki, standing in the hall with buckets, drained by Miss Hinako, every fiancee tries to feed him during dinner, every rival attacks, gets malleted by Akane again, etc. etc.

... and if they didn't have Ranma going homicidal in a week then I throw the bullshit flag. I mean come on... how much can a person take before they snap?

I'm giving Ranma the benefit of the doubt by saying that he would last a week.

Considering he lasted the entire manga run with everyone out for his head (both of 'em, har har har), I don't think that's bullshit at all.

 

[Tornado Ninja Fan]

It should be pointed out that the 2nd movie canon material kind of reinforces the theory he fights them all every day...

The whole opening 10-15 minutes shows that...? until it is interrupted by the elephant with a black battle aura.

Does not make it true...? sure does imply and reinforce it though.

Does someone in the movie directly say that it happens every day? Otherwise it would be just the single time it happened.

 

[goldenarms]

Oh...á and NDF...á I was not saying the translation was wrong...á I was saying that Kuno calls Ranma-chan by a couple different names...á yet fan fiction centers almost solely on the one...á It has always puzzled me why that would be the case.

I think there's an element of practicality here. Kuno doesn't know the "pigtailed girl's" name

Actually, Kuno does know it -- she states it as "Ranma Saotome" during the Rhythmic Gymnastic match with Kodachi. He even writes it down in a pad before he forgets.

So why doesn't he use it?

I dunno. Blame Rumiko.

 

[Lawra]

I think there's an element of practicality here.á Kuno doesn't know the "pigtailed girl's" name,

Yes he does. He found out when Ranma fought Kodachi in the Rythmic Gymnastics Duel. He even wrote it down.

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And that movie can die in a fire. Purge! Purge the unclean!

 

[Dumbledork]

Oh...á and NDF...á I was not saying the translation was wrong...á I was saying that Kuno calls Ranma-chan by a couple different names...á yet fan fiction centers almost solely on the one...á It has always puzzled me why that would be the case.

I think there's an element of practicality here. Kuno doesn't know the "pigtailed girl's" name

Actually, Kuno does know it -- she states it as "Ranma Saotome" during the Rhythmic Gymnastic match with Kodachi. He even writes it down in a pad before he forgets.

So why doesn't he use it?

I dunno. Blame Rumiko.

Probably for comedic purposes. After all, Ranma Saotome is a name he should know well. Rumiko probably only did it to point out his stupidity as well as that of the whole student body.

 

[Muphrid]

Actually, Kuno does know it -- she states it as "Ranma Saotome" during the Rhythmic Gymnastic match with Kodachi. He even writes it down in a pad before he forgets.

So why doesn't he use it?

I dunno. Blame Rumiko.

Right. I mean, I knew that happened, and maybe someone can fanwank a theory as to why he never calls Ranma by name when he clearly should know it, but I don't think it makes a palpable difference between "he knows the name yet doesn't use it" versus "he doesn't know it at all." It's a difference in interpretation, sure, as far as dialogue or narration go, it doesn't really change things.

 

[Legendary Legacy]

Probably feels like he would be dishonoring her if he were to call her by the same name as his fiendish arch-nemesis.

That, or he lost the notebook he wrote it in, went home and forgot about it the next day. That's probably more likely.

 

[Dumbledork]

Probably feels like he would be dishonoring her if he were to call her by the same name as his fiendish arch-nemesis.

That, or he lost the notebook he wrote it in, went home and forgot about it the next day. That's probably more likely.

Or he's an idiot. Even more likely.

 

[Legendary Legacy]

That's sort of what I was driving at with option 2.

 

[goldenarms]

In the end, the notebook was dropped through a plot hole.

 

[Anonguy]

I don't know if you can call it a plot hole when the manga by and large has no plot to begin with.

 

[Deathwings]

Yes, the Ranma 1/2 doesn't have plot Holes but the opposite, Plot Islands !

In other words, it is one giant Oceanic Plot Hole with the occasional self contained storylines floating across it. :lol:

 

[Dumbledork]

I wonder about the origin of this fanon belief. I've read several stories where Soun and Genma practice both one half of the complete anything Goes school and that the marriage of their children should combine the two into one.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Why sgould Happosai teach the both of them different techniques? In every flashback we see the do the same training.

 

[Ezit Meti]

Because people have a fundamental misunderstanding of what "uniting the schools" or whatever they actually say happens to mean. Much like most incorrect fanon, it springs up from a misunderstanding leading into something that people think sounds like a plausible explanation.

 

[nuclear death frog]

If the point were "uniting the schools" then Soun would never have offered Kasumi or Nabiki as an option to begin with, since neither of them practice. I don't think the schools are a big issue; I think the point is uniting the families. Soun wants an heir to preserve the "Tendou legacy", and by that, I believe he means the property, which is obviously inherited.

And this is only my supposition, but I believe that the Tendou family may own a significant amount of property in the district, and that is why Soun is on the local council: some important buildings/infrastructure are rented land. Obviously Takahashi will never go into this, but as Soun dresses up in full samurai regalia at least once, it would not shock me if back in the shogunate era, an ancestor of Soun either was a daimyo (feudal lord) or one of his highest retainers. Soun being a property manager/landowner would also fit for why he doesn't seem to work; he's basically holding the keys to some high-value investments and doesn't need to go to an office.

 

[MZephyr]

I always assumed that by carrying on the Tendo legacy, Soun meant pretty much what NDF said, that he wants an heir to inherit and operate his dojo. Given the culture involved, this means a male heir, and thus a male who should marry one of his daughters. I assumed that when Soun realized he would have no sons of his own, that he and Genma entered into an agreement that Genma would train his own son to be that heir, to inherit and run the dojo. This would guarantee Soun not only an heir, but one trained in the same martial arts style.

Also, I don't believe the phrase "unite the schools" was ever used in the manga. I can't say about the anime.

 

[PCHeintz72]

I always assumed that by carrying on the Tendo legacy, Soun meant pretty much what NDF said, that he wants an heir to inherit and operate his dojo. Given the culture involved, this means a male heir, and thus a male who should marry one of his daughters. I assumed that when Soun realized he would have no sons of his own, that he and Genma entered into an agreement that Genma would train his own son to be that heir, to inherit and run the dojo. This would guarantee Soun not only an heir, but one trained in the same martial arts style.

Also, I don't believe the phrase "unite the schools" was ever used in the manga. I can't say about the anime.

Looking at my VIZ retail copy, depending upon interpretation of Souns statements, certainly can lead one to believe it is a 'joining of the schools'.

SOUN: "If one of you three girls were to marry him...á and carry on this training center...á then the Tendo family Legacy would be secure.

So... the goal is to carry on the school, and Ranma is needed to secure their family legacy, which apparently cannot be done on their own without him... Thus both are needed and bring something to the table, the marriage joins those somethings... both are different branches (by name, not nessecarily content) of the same school. Thus, a joining of the schools. And despite the fact Soun opened it to the three of the daughters, he was quite clear it was to carry on the training center.

 

[Lord Raa]

And despite the fact Soun opened it to the three of the daughters, he was quite clear it was to carry on the training center.

It's possible that Soun expected Ranma to do all the hard work, with whomever he picked to be his wife supporting him.


If Ranma picked Nabiki, she would look after the finances (I'm led to believe that women tend to take on this role in Japanese society)

If Ranma picked Kasumi, she would keep the family properly fed and cared for.

If Ranma picked Akane, she would help out with the training centre.


Of course, this has been pure speculation on my part and can be completely ignored.

 

[foesjoe]

And despite the fact Soun opened it to the three of the daughters, he was quite clear it was to carry on the training center.

It's possible that Soun expected Ranma to do all the hard work, with whomever he picked to be his wife supporting him.


If Ranma picked Nabiki, she would look after the finances (I'm led to believe that women tend to take on this role in Japanese society)

If Ranma picked Kasumi, she would keep the family properly fed and cared for.

If Ranma picked Akane, she would help out with the training centre.


Of course, this has been pure speculation on my part and can be completely ignored.

Don't you mean Akane would help disciplining the children?

 

[Drunken_Loli]

Sorry if this hasn't been mentioned before but has Ranma ever said boys don't cry?

 

[Crusader]

You've all heard it here before, but I will repeat it: For one shot power-ups the Umisenken and in a minor extent the Yamasenken seem extremely popular in fanon despite only being used in one manga arc. What is is it with fanon and its excessive obsession with the Umisenken thaty Ranma sealed away and refused to use any further after the Ryu Kumon arc?

It makes me wonder why anyone hasn't countered that infamous fanon obsession by making fics where Ranma apllies the Parlay du Foie Gras in a clever manner like stuffing poison or live grenades down the throat of his enemies while enraged fans scream at him to use the Umisenken to win the fights and get thorugh all the obstacles in his life?

 

[nuclear death frog]

You've all heard it here before, but I will repeat it: For one shot power-ups the Umisenken and in a minor extent the Yamasenken seem extremely popular in fanon despite only being used in one manga arc. What is is it with fanon and its excessive obsession with the Umisenken thaty Ranma sealed away and refused to use any further after the Ryu Kumon arc?

It makes me wonder why anyone hasn't countered that infamous fanon obsession by making fics where Ranma apllies the Parlay du Foie Gras in a clever manner like stuffing poison or live grenades down the throat of his enemies while enraged fans scream at him to use the Umisenken to win the fights and get thorugh all the obstacles in his life?

The Umisen seems cooler because of the possible invisibility, while the Parlay just requires insane hand and throwing speed. And the Yamasen has the admittedly awesome (for this series) Kijin Raishuu Dan and all variants thereof.