Nasuverse Knights of the Round Table

Aranfan

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#1
Can we get it so that all, or almost all, of the Servants (Fifth Grail War) know each other from Arthur's Court?

Saber: King Arthur(Arturia)
Lancer:
Caster:
Berserker:
Rider:
Archer:
Assassin:
 

Latewave

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#2
Aranfan said:
Can we get it so that all, or almost all, of the Servants (Fifth Grail War) know each other from Arthur's Court?

Saber: King Arthur(Arturia)
Lancer: Sir Kay
Caster:Merlin
Berserker:Lancelot
Rider:Sir Galahad
Archer:
Assassin:Mordred
I couldn't think of one for Archer.
 

Aranfan

Well-Known Member
#3
Hmm, Kay was one of the ones who knew Arthur was a girl right? Merlin also knew. I think it would be funnier/better if all the Servants thought Arthur was a guy.


Also, I'm not seeing Mordred as an assassin.
 

Iddy

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#4
Aranfan said:
Hmm, Kay was one of the ones who knew Arthur was a girl right? Merlin also knew. I think it would be funnier/better if all the Servants thought Arthur was a guy.


Also, I'm not seeing Mordred as an assassin.
Heh, it'd be awesome if they thought she was a guy. Reaction to Shirou and Saber would be greatness.

'Specially if they hadn't figured out Saber was a woman until some time after they saw Shirou and Saber.

Also, Archer: Sir Tristan.
'Tristan is a cavalry archer, able to make amazing shots with his bow, similar to a mongol bow, and uses a sword similar to a dao. It seems that he finds a pleasure in killing and is quite good at it. He has a pet hawk, which he greatly treasures and uses as a lookout for Arthur and the rest of the knights in the film. He also fulfills the role of a scout and skirmisher.'
 

firestorm

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#5
Oh dear...

Cue collective question towards Lancelot: "Is THIS why you and the Queen got together?"

:snigger:
 

Aranfan

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#6
Saber: King Arthur(Arturia)
Lancer:
Caster:
Berserker: Lancelot
Rider: Sir Galahad
Archer: Sir Tristan
Assassin:
 

grant

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#7
The problem with knights is that they all work best as Saber. However anyone of them could qualify as Rider or Lancer given the nature of their work.

Maybe Pellinore as Lancer from his days of hunting the Questing Beast (which would make for an epic Noble Phantasm), but also because I love the version of him in The Once and Future King.

Also, I'm not seeing Mordred as an assassin.
I have to agree, he might have been evil, he certainly wanted power, but I can't see him as a sneaky and stealthy yet weak Assassin type. In the legends after Arthur ran him through with a spear Mordred pushed himself down it to kill Arthur. For Caster and Assassin you might have to give up on the knights and use other figures or make them very unconventional Servants.

A bit off the question, but can you imagine a war with Mordred, Arthur(ia), Lancelot, and Gawain? The fourth war would be a firecracker compared to it.
 

Aranfan

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#8
I'm sure there are plenty are wizards in the Arthurian Legends that wouldn't know Arthur's secret. Morgan le Fay perhaps for Caster?
 

bissek

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#9
Morgan was Arthur(ia)'s half sister in the legends. There's a good case for her knowing.

How about Nimue/Niviane/Viviane, the apprentice of Merlin who sealed him away?
 

Aranfan

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#10
I thought only Merlin, Uther (sp?), and the Kay's knew about Arthur's secret?

Also, can you imagine Mordred finding out that he actually probably isn't Arthur's bastard?
 

nick012000

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#11
I dunno. With magic involved, being a woman might not be an impediment to being the father. :p

Also, odds that Sir Questing-Beast-Hunter will kick the shit out of Shinji at the first chance he gets? He was, if memory serves, quite the Knight in Shining Armor. I doubt he'd allow Shinji to continue raping his sister.
 

bissek

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#12
In the legends, Pellinore was a stronger swordsman than Arthur, and broke the Sword in the Stone. He'd be a tough one.
 

Shiakou

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#13
Aranfan said:
Also, can you imagine Mordred finding out that he actually probably isn't Arthur's bastard?
Um, actually, he kinda is. . .

You see, Merlin was something of a pervert, and used his magic to give Arturia a penis. It only lasted a couple of days, but that was enough time for her jealous sister <s>Morgause</s> Morgan (so yes, she knew) to collect some sperm and create Mordred. This means Mordred is actually a homunculus like Illyasviel.

<s>It also probably means that Mordred is also a girl but I'm not sure.</s>

EDIT: Corrected a few mistakes.
 

grant

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#14
Also, odds that Sir Questing-Beast-Hunter will kick the shit out of Shinji at the first chance he gets? He was, if memory serves, quite the Knight in Shining Armor. I doubt he'd allow Shinji to continue raping his sister.
Compared to normal Grail Wars I think Shinji's odds of surviving would actually go down in this one. In the different routes he survives because he's good at running away and convincing people not to kill him, in a Round Table arc I can't see a Servant (even a Rider under his control) letting him live more than a few days.

@Shiakou, where's that from?
 

Shiakou

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#15
grant said:
@Shiakou, where's that from?
From memory. We talked about it a few years ago in the Beast's Lair when one of the guys tried to create a fanfic where Merlin was, like Happosai, trapped under a stone only to break free during the Fifth Grail War.

Cue horrified Saber.

I'll try to look up some hard evidence.

EDIT:

Here you go.

With the Fuyuki wiki gone, this was the closest thing I could find. I'm not sure but I think the original source material was Nasu's published character sketches.

EDIT2:

The original source is Kimiko Nasu's Character Material; a book which had short biographies and stories on several minor Nasuverse characters.
 

grant

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#16
Ah, I never understood where the image of Merlin as a perverted meddling wizard came from. The only mention I remember is UBW where Saber mentions a wizard that had problems from love.
 

zeebee1

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#17
I'm pretty sure that one of her listed hates was perverted wizards. And if you go by the anime then Mordred was female.
 

grant

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#18
I thought that TYPE MOON didn't have control over the anime.
 

Avider

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#19
If you go by the anime, Mordred is still male.

That's what he looks like, period. Just like Bedivere is male.
 

Amodelsino

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#20
Yeah. Apparently, in the Nasuverse, England used to be Girly Boy? central. Which explains why no one questioned Arturia's gender.
 

bissek

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#21
grant said:
Ah, I never understood where the image of Merlin as a perverted meddling wizard came from. The only mention I remember is UBW where Saber mentions a wizard that had problems from love.
Well, in one version of the Arthurian legends, the reason Nimue kills Merlin was because she was afraid that he would use magic to force her to his bed.
 

nick012000

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#22
You know, now I'm getting images of Happosai winding up in Britain somehow, stumbling across Merlin's tomb, freeing him, and then teaming up to form Team Perverted Old Man. Hilarity ensues. :snigger:
 

grant

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#23
NO! Bad creepy old superpowered pervert!

Yeah. Apparently, in the Nasuverse, England used to be Girly BoyÖ central. Which explains why no one questioned Arturia's gender.
Made even more ridiculous by the fact that Shirou knows Saber is a girl the first time he sees her. It's not 'an beautiful boy' or 'effeminate' it's 'girl'.
 

Aranfan

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#24
grant said:
NO! Bad creepy old superpowered pervert!

Yeah. Apparently, in the Nasuverse, England used to be Girly BoyÖ central. Which explains why no one questioned Arturia's gender.
Made even more ridiculous by the fact that Shirou knows Saber is a girl the first time he sees her. It's not 'an beautiful boy' or 'effeminate' it's 'girl'.
The only real explanation I can come up with is Arthur using Merlin's magic to get a beard. But that doesn't explain why she was clean shaven after Camlann (sp?).
 

Sivere

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#25
Aranfan said:
grant said:
NO! Bad creepy old superpowered pervert!

Yeah. Apparently, in the Nasuverse, England used to be Girly BoyÖ central. Which explains why no one questioned Arturia's gender.
Made even more ridiculous by the fact that Shirou knows Saber is a girl the first time he sees her. It's not 'an beautiful boy' or 'effeminate' it's 'girl'.
The only real explanation I can come up with is Arthur using Merlin's magic to get a beard. But that doesn't explain why she was clean shaven after Camlann (sp?).
Thank you. Somehow, the idea of Saber with a beard fooling everyone managed to purge the squick of Mordred's origin from my mind.

It still makes the entire Fate route unexpectedly hilarious and (expectedly) horrific, though.
 
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