Naruto Kushina Lives

Dunstan · Mar 22, 2013

The Archfiend of Lightning said:

Dunstan said:

Wasn't Minato's shade watching from Naruto's eyes? (I'll freely admit that I may be pulling that one out of my ass. Correct me if I'm wrong.) Kushina doing the same would explain why they knew what was going on.

Though not why she'd say that helping him gain control was a part of why he put her into the seal in the first place.

Meh, still, the whole "she couldn't use Kurama's chakra" still just seems like a whole lot of fanon trying to back up fanon to me.

Show me in the manga itself where it was said that she couldn't/never used it.

Knyght · Mar 22, 2013

SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS SHE COULD, MOTHERFUCKER!

Man, I'm bored. Can we get back to original idea? For the record, I don't think Kushina would be made Hokage and I don't think the concept's that interesting in the first place.

Potential for Naruto and Sasuke to be bros is high.

Naruto learns chakra chains? Another fuuinjutsu user? Do they travel to Wave Country to find a way to free Minato's soul?

Dunstan · Mar 22, 2013

knight504 said:

I might think about doing so.... If being able to wasn't normal for a host, and the idea that she couldn't just something the fans seemed to of pulled out of their asses the moment the first chapter saying she was one came out.

As far as I can tell, it's just fanon to explain why anyone could be dumb enough to not realize that Naruto was a host, that has no bases in the actual manga. :huh.:

ttestagr · Mar 22, 2013

As for Konoha not using the Nine Tails as a weapon, its canon as we see in this page:

<a href='http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c568/8.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c568/8.html</a>

From the very first with the Shodai, they've been of the opinion that its too powerful to use and so just lock it away. They use its presence as a deterrent, kind of like nukes in the post WW2 era.

ArchfiendRai · Mar 22, 2013

ttestagr said:

Thank you. I had been trying to find that earlier to back up some of my statements, but didn't know where it was.

Antimatter · Mar 22, 2013

The Archfiend of Lightning said:

True, but that also says, to me at least, they just let it run free because it can't be controled, save by the uchiha, unless its sealed.

That says nothing about its use in combat, nor it's combat benefit to the host. It just means it's bound.

Notice how Son has the same sentiments that the 9 tails has. The Bijou hate not being free, and seem very willing to lash out when given the chance. This doesn't mean they are never used in battle, just that they hate being used period.

And yeah, they are deterrents, but a deterrent only works if the only side knows you will use it, and can use it.

zeebee1 · Mar 22, 2013

The issue seems to stem from the fact that most ninja don't see the biju as individuals with wants of their own. They are only weapons to be feared or used.

Antimatter · Mar 22, 2013

zeebee1 said:

You just seem to point them in the direction of the enemy and say 'hulk: smash'.

And I don't see anything in the manga that woudl prevent Mito or Kushina from being able to do that. They may have been like naruto, able to control it up to a point. Who knows where the cutoff for each one was though. We know that at least two, Gaara and Nii, could go full bijou mode at times, even if they lacked control.

Jiraya, after all, got the idea to try it as well with Naruto.

Knyght · Mar 22, 2013

No, there is nothing in the manga that confirms that Mito and Kushina couldn't/didn't use Kurama's chakra just like any other jinchuuriki. But IÆd say itÆs unlikely.

First up is Hashirama and Mito who decide that Kurama canÆt roam free any longer after its immense power was used by Madara. So heÆs sealed inside Mito. She specifically says that his power would create hatred and that he should stay tranquil inside her, which strongly implies that she had no interest in using his power. With that in mind and the fact that creating jinchuuriki to use as weapons didnÆt happen until the Shinobi World Wars, itÆs likely that her seal was only meant to contain the Kyuubi and not access his power like the jinchuuriki of today. There was obviously some link between them since Mito could sense negative emotions but thereÆs no indication on how that worked; it never happened for Kushina and itÆs unlikely that Mito had KCM.

By my reckoning, Mito lived through the first two Shinobi World Wars since she didnÆt die until after she met Kushina. So Konoha went through these wars without a weaponised jinchuuriki while the Kyuubi was a strong deterrent. And IÆd say that this carried on into KushinaÆs time and she was also only meant to be container. She says so herself that she keeps Kurama at bay while he keeps the world at bay which backs up the idea of him being a deterrent. The nature of her seal is also different from NarutoÆs but given her lack of KCM/negative emotion sensing, it doesnÆt appear to allow her the use of his chakra either which I take as a strong indication that it is only meant to keep the Kyuubi restrained. NarutoÆs seal is different since it was specifically made to allow his chakra to mix with KuramaÆs as Minato purposely wanted him to use it as a weapon.

ThereÆs also KonohaÆs complete lack of knowledge of the subject as they were shown to have no known method of training a jinchuuriki, leaving Jiraiya to completely wing it. He had to create a seal for restraining its chakra and only learned about the tail aspect by observing how Naruto used it. KushinaÆs presence in the seal only really means that Minato saw that she would be able to help Naruto when he tries to master KuramaÆs chakra, which makes sense considering she became a jinchuuriki because of her special chakra and sheÆs capable of restraining the fox. On this front, thereÆs no indication that Konoha had any prior experience with their own jinchuuriki which suggests that NarutoÆs situation differs from Kushina and MitoÆs.

Honestly, I donÆt think thereÆs much left to be said on the subject. ThereÆs more evidence against the idea of Mito and Kushina being weapons of war, imo, but IÆm aware that there are alternate interpretations to take. Until we learn more or unless thereÆs something else that no-oneÆs brought up, I think weÆre just at the ôagree to disagreeö stage.

Knyght · Mar 24, 2013

Looks like we've most out on a number of post thanks to the transition. The highlights.:

- Some people think that Mito got her negative emotion sensing from Kurama, others think that she always had and may actually be the reason Kurama could it do it anyway. The former's much more likely but it's impossible to say for certain.

- Some people think Mito and Kushina never used Kurama's power in the sense that they're different from other jinchuuriki who were created as weapons of war. Others think differently. Again, it's impossible to say for certain.

- Kushina might feel guilty about Naruto becoming a jinchuuriki. She could become overprotective and encourage him not to interact with the fox even should he learn about it at a younger age. However she would also be in the best position to teahc him about controlling Kurama's power, even if she has never done it herself.

- It's certain that Kushina was a powerful ninja but whether she was S-rank is debatable, especially without the Kurama (which relates to the second point). Personally I think she never made S-rank but was close to it like Pre-TS Kakashi. In this case, I'd say it's up to the writer.

zeebee1 · Mar 27, 2013

Nearly losing everything everything would be a great motivator to level up.

Naruto Kushina Lives

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