Naruto Kushina Lives

ttestagr

Well-Known Member
#26
Darksnider05 said:
Amberion said:
NuitTombee said:
Would it be too far-fetched that Kushina would create just one kagebunshin to watch Naruto when she's working in the office? Mothers are usually very protective and having that as a means to do both should be something she'd look into if she doesn't know it already.á ^_^

Or is 'busy busy mother' so a necessary of an element in your idea that you're willing to forgo such an easy option?
^^^^- This.

Not only that, different upbringing would make a different Naruto.
If he understood what they taught at the academy, he probably wouldn't hate it.

Then there is the fact that he pretty much screwed around to get acknowledgment, why would he seek that now?

It seems you want to have a semi canon!Naruto in this idea, I just think him having his mother there, makes it highly unlikely that he would be anything even close to how canon!Naruto is.
Naruto and his mom are pretty alike personality wise he would be even more so raised by her. Who the fuck knows how they share that talking tick when they had never met.
It happens. I didn't have my father in my life pretty much ever, and my mother is constantly noticing verbal patterns I have that are exactly the same.


As for kage bunshin, Kushina in all probability doesn't know it. Its outright stated that she's shit at ninjutsu, by her. Her chakra chains and sealing are her abilities, and to be fair those seem to be more than top notch enough to make her S-rank. Naruto looks like he inherited his father's talent and his mother's personality and way of picking things up.
 
#27
Her chakra chains and sealing are her abilities, and to be fair those seem to be more than top notch enough to make her S-rank.
dunno, I don't remember any trace of Kushina, Naruto, Nagato or Karin being any good with seals or any other type of pinnipeds.

And her chakra chains alone are farm from being something to make her S-ranked... they are "simply" very useful against Kurama\bijus, and surely not something to shit on.
But we must remember she lost Kurama and with it probably a lot of chakra
 
#28
ttestagr said:
As for kage bunshin, Kushina in all probability doesn't know it.á Its outright stated that she's shit at ninjutsu, by her.
Are you sure? Is it a retcon or something?

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html</a>

Tsunade: "Yeah...his personality and ninjutsu style are exactly like Uzumaki Kushina's."

Keep in mind, I stopped reading Naruto a while ago.
 

Yorae Rasante

Well-Known Member
#29
ankokudaishogun said:
Her chakra chains and sealing are her abilities, and to be fair those seem to be more than top notch enough to make her S-rank.
dunno, I don't remember any trace of Kushina, Naruto, Nagato or Karin being any good with seals or any other type of pinnipeds.

And her chakra chains alone are farm from being something to make her S-ranked... they are "simply" very useful against Kurama\bijus, and surely not something to shit on.
But we must remember she lost Kurama and with it probably a lot of chakra
Since she had just got Kurama just pulled out right after giving birth and was still able to wrestle Kurama with them (it does not seem like they are really hurting him besides what normal chakra-infused chains would) until Minato seals him I'm pretty sure she does not need Kurama to be S-rank when she is fully healthy, which she would be with some rest and exercise. It's not like her or Naruto use his chakra that much but on emergencies before Naruto fought him anyway.
 

mortalone

Well-Known Member
#30
Amberion said:
mortalone said:
That does not mean he would be very book smart. I don't have strong feelings about where he would be in terms of theoretical basis, but if I were to guess his strong point would be practical knowledge. He'd more likely be an engineer than a scientist -- and I don't see him as a philosopher regardless of upbringing.
I don't really agree with you. Both Minato and Kushina I think where good with theory. At least I think it's necessary when you are into seals. And things like that are somewhat genetic. And a Naruto with the right stimuli growing up, would have a vastly superior mind to the one he has in canon.
Disagree. Or perhaps you are missing my point entirely.

You may be able to argue Minato is more of a scientist type based on his development of a technique that is the theoretical limit of spatial manipulation (although even then, we now know that this technique was inspired by the Bijuu bomb), but I disagree entirely about what sealing technique ability proves. If you want to view sealing techniques in terms of real world jobs, my headcanon is that the closest match would be computer programming.

There's a huge difference in abstraction between computer programming and developing scientific theory and another huge difference between developing scientific theory and another huge difference in abstraction in studying a field like mathematics or philosophy. I'm not saying that programmers and engineers are incapable of abstract thought, but there's a fundamental difference in the job. It's much more practical, much more hands on. Of course there is overlap (and a lot of it -- depending on what exactly you study), but what I am driving at is that different people's brains are wired in fundamentally different ways and depending on how you are wired determines which job you are most suited for and how you will approach that job.

Naruto is a very hands on guy. He's not going to be the guy studying fluid-structure interaction models to determine the ideal shape of a wing. He's going to the guy crafting the model that goes in the wind tunnel and physically conducting that experiment. He's not going to be attempting to model the stock market with stochastic differential equations. He's going to be the guy who writes the script that buys and sells stocks based on how the market has fluctuated on a given day.

And that's assuming he takes a white collar job at all. My money is that if he were a real person he'd go into MMA or pro-wrestling.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#31
mortalone said:
Amberion said:
mortalone said:
That does not mean he would be very book smart. I don't have strong feelings about where he would be in terms of theoretical basis, but if I were to guess his strong point would be practical knowledge. He'd more likely be an engineer than a scientist -- and I don't see him as a philosopher regardless of upbringing.
I don't really agree with you. Both Minato and Kushina I think where good with theory. At least I think it's necessary when you are into seals. And things like that are somewhat genetic. And a Naruto with the right stimuli growing up, would have a vastly superior mind to the one he has in canon.
Disagree. Or perhaps you are missing my point entirely.

You may be able to argue Minato is more of a scientist type based on his development of a technique that is the theoretical limit of spatial manipulation (although even then, we now know that this technique was inspired by the Bijuu bomb), but I disagree entirely about what sealing technique ability proves. If you want to view sealing techniques in terms of real world jobs, my headcanon is that the closest match would be computer programming.

There's a huge difference in abstraction between computer programming and developing scientific theory and another huge difference between developing scientific theory and another huge difference in abstraction in studying a field like mathematics or philosophy. I'm not saying that programmers and engineers are incapable of abstract thought, but there's a fundamental difference in the job. It's much more practical, much more hands on. Of course there is overlap (and a lot of it -- depending on what exactly you study), but what I am driving at is that different people's brains are wired in fundamentally different ways and depending on how you are wired determines which job you are most suited for and how you will approach that job.

Naruto is a very hands on guy. He's not going to be the guy studying fluid-structure interaction models to determine the ideal shape of a wing. He's going to the guy crafting the model that goes in the wind tunnel and physically conducting that experiment. He's not going to be attempting to model the stock market with stochastic differential equations. He's going to be the guy who writes the script that buys and sells stocks based on how the market has fluctuated on a given day.

And that's assuming he takes a white collar job at all. My money is that if he were a real person he'd go into MMA or pro-wrestling.
Please cease trying to draw parallels about programming when you clearly haven't the foggiest clue about what we actually do. :headbanger:
 

ttestagr

Well-Known Member
#32
NuitTombee said:
ttestagr said:
As for kage bunshin, Kushina in all probability doesn't know it.á Its outright stated that she's shit at ninjutsu, by her.
Are you sure? Is it a retcon or something?

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html</a>

Tsunade: "That's right when it comes to Personality and techniques He's just like Kushina Uzumaki."

Keep in mind, I stopped reading Naruto a while ago.
<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html</a>

Kushina was the one who taught Minato seals as we see here.

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naruto/chapter-504.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naru...hapter-504.html</a>

And here we see her admit she isn't good with ninjutsu.
 
#33
ttestagr said:
NuitTombee said:
ttestagr said:
As for kage bunshin, Kushina in all probability doesn't know it.á Its outright stated that she's shit at ninjutsu, by her.
Are you sure? Is it a retcon or something?

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html</a>

Tsunade: "Yeah...his personality and ninjutsu style are exactly like Uzumaki Kushina's."

Keep in mind, I stopped reading Naruto a while ago.
<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html</a>

Kushina was the one who taught Minato seals as we see here.

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naruto/chapter-504.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naru...hapter-504.html</a>

And here we see her admit she isn't good with ninjutsu.
So is that "Yes it's a retcon" or "No, one of them is mistranslated" ?
 

ttestagr

Well-Known Member
#34
NuitTombee said:
ttestagr said:
NuitTombee said:
ttestagr said:
As for kage bunshin, Kushina in all probability doesn't know it.á Its outright stated that she's shit at ninjutsu, by her.
Are you sure? Is it a retcon or something?

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html</a>

Tsunade: "Yeah...his personality and ninjutsu style are exactly like Uzumaki Kushina's."

Keep in mind, I stopped reading Naruto a while ago.
<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html</a>

Kushina was the one who taught Minato seals as we see here.

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naruto/chapter-504.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naru...hapter-504.html</a>

And here we see her admit she isn't good with ninjutsu.
So is that "Yes it's a retcon" or "No, one of them is mistranslated" ?
The first quote is that she uses the same ninjutsu style as he does, not the same jutsu. It just means she fights with what she knows the same way Naruto fights with his abilities.
 
#35
ttestagr said:
NuitTombee said:
ttestagr said:
NuitTombee said:
ttestagr said:
As for kage bunshin, Kushina in all probability doesn't know it.á Its outright stated that she's shit at ninjutsu, by her.
Are you sure? Is it a retcon or something?

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html</a>

Tsunade: "Yeah...his personality and ninjutsu style are exactly like Uzumaki Kushina's."

Keep in mind, I stopped reading Naruto a while ago.
<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html</a>

Kushina was the one who taught Minato seals as we see here.

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naruto/chapter-504.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naru...hapter-504.html</a>

And here we see her admit she isn't good with ninjutsu.
So is that "Yes it's a retcon" or "No, one of them is mistranslated" ?
The first quote is that she uses the same ninjutsu style as he does, not the same jutsu. It just means she fights with what she knows the same way Naruto fights with his abilities.
It's been a while for me but, isn't his style "Spam spam and spam some more"? Or am I confusing canon with fanon?
 

ttestagr

Well-Known Member
#36
NuitTombee said:
ttestagr said:
NuitTombee said:
ttestagr said:
NuitTombee said:
ttestagr said:
As for kage bunshin, Kushina in all probability doesn't know it.á Its outright stated that she's shit at ninjutsu, by her.
Are you sure? Is it a retcon or something?

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-12/naruto/chapter-367.html</a>

Tsunade: "Yeah...his personality and ninjutsu style are exactly like Uzumaki Kushina's."

Keep in mind, I stopped reading Naruto a while ago.
<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-54942-3/naruto/chapter-500.html</a>

Kushina was the one who taught Minato seals as we see here.

<a href='http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naruto/chapter-504.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.mangapanda.com/93-56104-11/naru...hapter-504.html</a>

And here we see her admit she isn't good with ninjutsu.
So is that "Yes it's a retcon" or "No, one of them is mistranslated" ?
The first quote is that she uses the same ninjutsu style as he does, not the same jutsu. It just means she fights with what she knows the same way Naruto fights with his abilities.
It's been a while for me but, isn't his style "Spam spam and spam some more"? Or am I confusing canon with fanon?
Naruto uses clones to do upfront attacks while setting up distractions to hit an opponent after. That's been his basic MO since before the timeskip, if you don't believe me go reread the fight with Neji or his tactics against Kidoumaru before Neji took over, or when he took on Tayuya. After the timeskip he's used massive clone spam only once really, against Pain where he used the falling 'moon' to seed the battlefield with bunshins so he'd have a trump card.

The chains and sealing ability can potentially use the same type of tactics with a little imagination.
 

mortalone

Well-Known Member
#37
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Amberion said:
mortalone said:
That does not mean he would be very book smart. I don't have strong feelings about where he would be in terms of theoretical basis, but if I were to guess his strong point would be practical knowledge. He'd more likely be an engineer than a scientist -- and I don't see him as a philosopher regardless of upbringing.
I don't really agree with you. Both Minato and Kushina I think where good with theory. At least I think it's necessary when you are into seals. And things like that are somewhat genetic. And a Naruto with the right stimuli growing up, would have a vastly superior mind to the one he has in canon.
Disagree. Or perhaps you are missing my point entirely.

You may be able to argue Minato is more of a scientist type based on his development of a technique that is the theoretical limit of spatial manipulation (although even then, we now know that this technique was inspired by the Bijuu bomb), but I disagree entirely about what sealing technique ability proves. If you want to view sealing techniques in terms of real world jobs, my headcanon is that the closest match would be computer programming.

There's a huge difference in abstraction between computer programming and developing scientific theory and another huge difference between developing scientific theory and another huge difference in abstraction in studying a field like mathematics or philosophy. I'm not saying that programmers and engineers are incapable of abstract thought, but there's a fundamental difference in the job. It's much more practical, much more hands on. Of course there is overlap (and a lot of it -- depending on what exactly you study), but what I am driving at is that different people's brains are wired in fundamentally different ways and depending on how you are wired determines which job you are most suited for and how you will approach that job.

Naruto is a very hands on guy. He's not going to be the guy studying fluid-structure interaction models to determine the ideal shape of a wing. He's going to the guy crafting the model that goes in the wind tunnel and physically conducting that experiment. He's not going to be attempting to model the stock market with stochastic differential equations. He's going to be the guy who writes the script that buys and sells stocks based on how the market has fluctuated on a given day.

And that's assuming he takes a white collar job at all. My money is that if he were a real person he'd go into MMA or pro-wrestling.
Please cease trying to draw parallels about programming when you clearly haven't the foggiest clue about what we actually do. :headbanger:
Make a point or go troll elsewhere.
 
#38
ttestagr said:
Naruto uses clones to do upfront attacks while setting up distractions to hit an opponent after. That's been his basic MO since before the timeskip, if you don't believe me go reread the fight with Neji or his tactics against Kidoumaru before Neji took over, or when he took on Tayuya. After the timeskip he's used massive clone spam only once really, against Pain where he used the falling 'moon' to seed the battlefield with bunshins so he'd have a trump card.

The chains and sealing ability can potentially use the same type of tactics with a little imagination.
Like I said, been a while since I read the manga. I'll take your word for it since I can't recall the battles very clearly.
 

mortalone

Well-Known Member
#39
Naruto has definitely been more conservative with his KB and his usage has definitely improved. Actually, the only time I've felt he's really gone nuts with KB during Post-TS was the night of the Zetsu attacks, where Naruto sent a KB to literally every battlefield to identify and eliminate all the Zetsus.

His KB use in fanon is both better and worse. In fanon his KB frequently get more done, e.g., sending 20 clones to the library and having another 20 work on jutsu all day long every day. It's the amount of KB he uses that gets me. On the behalf of the authors, simply egregious.

Naruto's canon MO is to plow through opposition with overwhelming power. What fights has he not won like that? Okay, Zabuza's clone was beaten with teamwork and tactics and that was actually pretty clever with the Sandaime Raikage (although I detest the idea of an individual supposedly being able to out-power a bijuu that is loose in the real world). You can make the case with Pein, although that's certainly not for lack of trying (just as he tried to overwhelm Zabuza's water clone with KB and tried to overpower the Sandaime Raikage with his FRS). Am I missing anything?
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#40
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Amberion said:
mortalone said:
That does not mean he would be very book smart. I don't have strong feelings about where he would be in terms of theoretical basis, but if I were to guess his strong point would be practical knowledge. He'd more likely be an engineer than a scientist -- and I don't see him as a philosopher regardless of upbringing.
I don't really agree with you. Both Minato and Kushina I think where good with theory. At least I think it's necessary when you are into seals. And things like that are somewhat genetic. And a Naruto with the right stimuli growing up, would have a vastly superior mind to the one he has in canon.
Disagree. Or perhaps you are missing my point entirely.

You may be able to argue Minato is more of a scientist type based on his development of a technique that is the theoretical limit of spatial manipulation (although even then, we now know that this technique was inspired by the Bijuu bomb), but I disagree entirely about what sealing technique ability proves. If you want to view sealing techniques in terms of real world jobs, my headcanon is that the closest match would be computer programming.

There's a huge difference in abstraction between computer programming and developing scientific theory and another huge difference between developing scientific theory and another huge difference in abstraction in studying a field like mathematics or philosophy. I'm not saying that programmers and engineers are incapable of abstract thought, but there's a fundamental difference in the job. It's much more practical, much more hands on. Of course there is overlap (and a lot of it -- depending on what exactly you study), but what I am driving at is that different people's brains are wired in fundamentally different ways and depending on how you are wired determines which job you are most suited for and how you will approach that job.

Naruto is a very hands on guy. He's not going to be the guy studying fluid-structure interaction models to determine the ideal shape of a wing. He's going to the guy crafting the model that goes in the wind tunnel and physically conducting that experiment. He's not going to be attempting to model the stock market with stochastic differential equations. He's going to be the guy who writes the script that buys and sells stocks based on how the market has fluctuated on a given day.

And that's assuming he takes a white collar job at all. My money is that if he were a real person he'd go into MMA or pro-wrestling.
Please cease trying to draw parallels about programming when you clearly haven't the foggiest clue about what we actually do. :headbanger:
Make a point or go troll elsewhere.
The only person who is trolling here seems to be you.

You do realize that programming is literally layers and layers and layers of mathematical abstraction on top of electrical abstraction on top of...

We can sit here and go down this rabbit hole for as long as you like, good programming involves a fuckload more theory than you would think. Why the fuck do you think that most colleges have their computer science program under mathematics, and nearly all of the courses aren't about programming, but are about mathematical theory?

My degree was maybe 12 actual programming classes, three electrical, a handful of GECs, and around 40ish math theory classes.

Telling a computer what to do isn't hard. it's figuring out what the fuck you want the computer to do. You can't just tell it "Yeah, if you could just have a list of all the stress points on this engine for me by friday, that would be great."

What engine? Where is the engine? What is the engine? How is this engine made? What's a stress point? What quantifies a stress point? How do we search through the engine? What kind of stresses? hell, what are the materials, the outside forces, the composition of the materials, the computer knows none of this.

I mean, fucks sake, it may not even know what a list is. What format, what order, what kind of numbers, what.... you get the idea. I hope.
 

Juubi

Well-Known Member
#41
There's a fic on ff.net titled "Kushina Lives" that is based on the same thing. Haven't read it all, though, so I can't say if it's shit or not just yet.
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#42
I don't have much hope for a story with a title like that.
 

mortalone

Well-Known Member
#43
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Amberion said:
mortalone said:
That does not mean he would be very book smart. I don't have strong feelings about where he would be in terms of theoretical basis, but if I were to guess his strong point would be practical knowledge. He'd more likely be an engineer than a scientist -- and I don't see him as a philosopher regardless of upbringing.
I don't really agree with you. Both Minato and Kushina I think where good with theory. At least I think it's necessary when you are into seals. And things like that are somewhat genetic. And a Naruto with the right stimuli growing up, would have a vastly superior mind to the one he has in canon.
Disagree. Or perhaps you are missing my point entirely.

You may be able to argue Minato is more of a scientist type based on his development of a technique that is the theoretical limit of spatial manipulation (although even then, we now know that this technique was inspired by the Bijuu bomb), but I disagree entirely about what sealing technique ability proves. If you want to view sealing techniques in terms of real world jobs, my headcanon is that the closest match would be computer programming.

There's a huge difference in abstraction between computer programming and developing scientific theory and another huge difference between developing scientific theory and another huge difference in abstraction in studying a field like mathematics or philosophy. I'm not saying that programmers and engineers are incapable of abstract thought, but there's a fundamental difference in the job. It's much more practical, much more hands on. Of course there is overlap (and a lot of it -- depending on what exactly you study), but what I am driving at is that different people's brains are wired in fundamentally different ways and depending on how you are wired determines which job you are most suited for and how you will approach that job.

Naruto is a very hands on guy. He's not going to be the guy studying fluid-structure interaction models to determine the ideal shape of a wing. He's going to the guy crafting the model that goes in the wind tunnel and physically conducting that experiment. He's not going to be attempting to model the stock market with stochastic differential equations. He's going to be the guy who writes the script that buys and sells stocks based on how the market has fluctuated on a given day.

And that's assuming he takes a white collar job at all. My money is that if he were a real person he'd go into MMA or pro-wrestling.
Please cease trying to draw parallels about programming when you clearly haven't the foggiest clue about what we actually do. :headbanger:
Make a point or go troll elsewhere.
The only person who is trolling here seems to be you.

You do realize that programming is literally layers and layers and layers of mathematical abstraction on top of electrical abstraction on top of...

We can sit here and go down this rabbit hole for as long as you like, good programming involves a fuckload more theory than you would think. Why the fuck do you think that most colleges have their computer science program under mathematics, and nearly all of the courses aren't about programming, but are about mathematical theory?

My degree was maybe 12 actual programming classes, three electrical, a handful of GECs, and around 40ish math theory classes.

Telling a computer what to do isn't hard. it's figuring out what the fuck you want the computer to do. You can't just tell it "Yeah, if you could just have a list of all the stress points on this engine for me by friday, that would be great."

What engine? Where is the engine? What is the engine? How is this engine made? What's a stress point? What quantifies a stress point? How do we search through the engine? What kind of stresses? hell, what are the materials, the outside forces, the composition of the materials, the computer knows none of this.

I mean, fucks sake, it may not even know what a list is. What format, what order, what kind of numbers, what.... you get the idea. I hope.
Programming and pure mathematics are so wildly different that is not even funny.

And computer science is not programming. That is not an equivalence relation and I would strongly argue that saying programming is even a subset of the field of computer science is wrong as there are many great programmers who know jack about the theory.

Computer science is often included in mathematics departments because that's where it arose as a subject matter. From logic and numerical analysis (yes, the latter predates computers). Even then, the goal was to figure out what can be done with these machines. There's a gray area here between "pure math" and "applied math" on which the subject area of computer science falls into pure math occasionally and applied math in general. I do not care if you are using convex analysis tools that you picked up in a functional analysis class only the math department could offer. Applied math is not restricted to just solving equations. Not anymore. Not since relativity and possibly even before that.

There are computer scientists who do live almost exclusively in the land of "pure math," that is true. But don't think your field is the only one. There also are engineers, physicists and even economists who do pure math. The theoretical edge of these subjects blurs into mathematics.

The typical computer progammer is not at the theoretical edge.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#44
I would strongly argue that saying programming is even a subset of the field of computer science is wrong
...You may want to rethink... pretty much all of your post. You're either mis speaking, or so absolutely and completely wrong it's kind of amusing.
 

mortalone

Well-Known Member
#45
Shirotsume said:
I would strongly argue that saying programming is even a subset of the field of computer science is wrong
...You may want to rethink... pretty much all of your post. You're either mis speaking, or so absolutely and completely wrong it's kind of amusing.
Being a computer progammer does not make you a computer scientist. Being a computer scientist does not make you a programmer. Knowing how to write and compile code does not make you a computer progammer either. Programmer has fattened my bank account, but don't call me a programmer.

You need to get out of the university and into the real world.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#46
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
I would strongly argue that saying programming is even a subset of the field of computer science is wrong
...You may want to rethink... pretty much all of your post. You're either mis speaking, or so absolutely and completely wrong it's kind of amusing.
Being a computer progammer does not make you a computer scientist. Being a computer scientist does not make you a programmer. Knowing how to write and compile code does not make you a computer progammer either. Programmer has fattened my bank account, but don't call me a programmer.

You need to get out of the university and into the real world.
You do realize I haven't been in university for a very long time now, right? I don't think I can get much more 'real world.'
 

mortalone

Well-Known Member
#47
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
I would strongly argue that saying programming is even a subset of the field of computer science is wrong
...You may want to rethink... pretty much all of your post. You're either mis speaking, or so absolutely and completely wrong it's kind of amusing.
Being a computer progammer does not make you a computer scientist. Being a computer scientist does not make you a programmer. Knowing how to write and compile code does not make you a computer progammer either. Programmer has fattened my bank account, but don't call me a programmer.

You need to get out of the university and into the real world.
You do realize I haven't been in university for a very long time now, right? I don't think I can get much more 'real world.'
Then please tell me you have realized the difference between a computer programmer and a computer scientist.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#48
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
I would strongly argue that saying programming is even a subset of the field of computer science is wrong
...You may want to rethink... pretty much all of your post. You're either mis speaking, or so absolutely and completely wrong it's kind of amusing.
Being a computer progammer does not make you a computer scientist. Being a computer scientist does not make you a programmer. Knowing how to write and compile code does not make you a computer progammer either. Programmer has fattened my bank account, but don't call me a programmer.

You need to get out of the university and into the real world.
You do realize I haven't been in university for a very long time now, right? I don't think I can get much more 'real world.'
Then please tell me you have realized the difference between a computer programmer and a computer scientist.
I know the difference- you, however, seem to be damn near determined to ignore the similarities in your quest to magnify the differences.

It's rather like saying a book author has a poor grasp of the written language. Sure, some may, (because I know you're going to try and beat that horse bloody), but the good authors have an amazing grasp of the language.
 

mortalone

Well-Known Member
#49
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
I would strongly argue that saying programming is even a subset of the field of computer science is wrong
...You may want to rethink... pretty much all of your post. You're either mis speaking, or so absolutely and completely wrong it's kind of amusing.
Being a computer progammer does not make you a computer scientist. Being a computer scientist does not make you a programmer. Knowing how to write and compile code does not make you a computer progammer either. Programmer has fattened my bank account, but don't call me a programmer.

You need to get out of the university and into the real world.
You do realize I haven't been in university for a very long time now, right? I don't think I can get much more 'real world.'
Then please tell me you have realized the difference between a computer programmer and a computer scientist.
I know the difference- you, however, seem to be damn near determined to ignore the similarities in your quest to magnify the differences.

It's rather like saying a book author has a poor grasp of the written language. Sure, some may, (because I know you're going to try and beat that horse bloody), but the good authors have an amazing grasp of the language.
Bad analogy. A closer analogy would be to relate engineering and physics. It's the difference between building a product and making a career out of expanding the body of knowledge.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#50
It's really not a bad analogy at all, and your choice of a 'better' one is telling.
 
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