Akamatsuverse LH Manga vs Anime

toraneko

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#26
Hell, Izzy, my skin's fairly normal in shade (likely a relic of Native American ancestry), yet I cannot tan - only burn horribly (likely a relic of my Scottish/Welsh/Irish ancestry). I'm only pale underneath my watchband. ^_^

Anyway, Itsudatte My Santa (the OAV at least, don't know about the manga) is still available on fansub, since it's unlicensed. Saw it myself. I thought it was cute, but it didn't really hook me.

And, if I remember correctly, the Love Hina parody in EDF Mao-chan was a lot more blatant in one episode - just as there's a "Naru", there's a "Keitaro".

I'm kinda surprised at one thing, though - thanks to the presence of the Shinmei-ryuu, it's plain to see that Love Hina and Mahou Sensei Negima! take place in the same continuity. So, why are there so few fics that cross them over?
 

Alzrius

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#27
toraneko said:
I'm kinda surprised at one thing, though - thanks to the presence of the Shinmei-ryuu, it's plain to see that Love Hina and Mahou Sensei Negima! take place in the same continuity. So, why are there so few fics that cross them over?
Actually, all of Akamatsu's major works are suggested as taking place in the same continuity. There was a blonde girl from California named Cynthia "Cindy" McDougal in AI ga Tomaranai, who competed with Saati to be Hitoshi's girlfriend.

Also, (AI ending spoiler) Hakase in Negima says that her design for Chachamaru's AI was patterned off the work of a brother-sister team at MIT, which is here Hitoshi, his sister, and the girls all went at the end of AI.

I agree though that the most interesting crossover is Shinmei Ryu. What I find most interesting is how Setsuna is apparently a member-in-exile from the school, and moreover, Tsukuyomi seems to work with Chigusa's evil organization with (apparently) tacit approval of the rest of the school.

A fic idea I've been toying with based on that is something around the "fall" of Shinmei Ryu. A mild darkfic, it'd be the story of the school's slow corruption and degradation as the Aoyamas lose control of the school, since Tsuruko married and Motoko never took it over, going to college instead. The timeline is slightly tricky (current Negima takes place in 2003, whereas Love Hina ends in 2005, after a four-year jump), but it'd doubtlessly be fun.
 

Pirazy

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#28
Speaking of the Shinmei Ryu appearing in MSN, doesn't those two in the background in the bottom frame in the first pic look familiar? Motoko and Tsuroko perhaps?

However unlikely it is, wouldn't it be something if Setsuna turned out to be Tsuroko's illusive child? Then again she's part-demon and mentions later in vol6 that the Shinmei Ryu abandoned her..
But it'd help explain Motokos hatred for men if it turned out that the man her sister married was also a demon, or maybe a half-demon. Yeah I know it's almost entirely impossible (like 0.1% chance of happening) but i'd sure make things interesting wouldn't it? :)
 

Terdwilicker

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#29
So I finished volume 8. Interesting, mostly the contents of the Spring Movie, with some differences. The romance between Kei and Naru seems certain, but we all know the events of the wedding. I'm thinking that my fanfic GWH:K will split before volume 13's Molmol adventure.

There are quite a few times that Kitsune comes on to Keitaro, with increasing fervor each time. I can see that she's still a strong candidate for girlfriend. Kinda surprising at the lack of fanfics with him pairing with her.

I'm reading 9 now, with the broken leg and Naru's reluctance to respond to Keitaro telling her he loved her, and the revelation of all the men's hearts she broke in school. Reminds me of someone I knew. She was crazy. Kitsune as Kei's steady is an interesting task. She's more secretive than the other girls. You don't really know what Kitsune thinks. All you know is what she pretends, and that she's an alcoholic. But who is Kitsune, really? She's a flirt who's jealous of all the attention Naru has gained, and she's willing to sacrifice her own happiness for Naru. Why?

In 8 we find out that Kei promised Naru who was only 2, but Naru had to be reminded of it by Mutsumi a year later. They did get into Todai together, but Mutsumi explains her promise wasn't to Kei, only to Naru. Happily ever after? Maybe. Just not with each other as lovers, perhaps. Its suggested in 9 that Kei's immortality is caused by the promise and once fulfilled, his immortality ends. I haven't read further yet to know for sure.

Well, i want to write some chapters with Mutsumi. She's really luscious and sexy so Kei's approach to dealing with her will be gentle and warm.
 

SimmyC

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#30
BTW, there are, is one Love Hina/Negima crossover fic in both sections at FFN. Haven't read it myself but yeah, people have, are, will crossover both series since they are 'made' to be crossed over. :p

That being said, one of the reasons why you probably don't see more of them is probably due to the fact that there are fewer Negima fics period. Once the fandom grows, I'm sure we will see more crossover fics between the two series (I know DKG mentioned that there are a lot of fanfics for Negima. Just not at FFN. Well... haven't found that site that host them yet. <_<).

[edit]Oh yeah, and I never thought about the possiblity that the reason why he was 'immortal' was due to the promise he made. It does make sense though since once he finally fulfilled his promise and entered Todai... he breaks his leg. -_-

I'm also a bit surprised that there are not a lot of Keitaro/Kitsune fics. Though admittingly, I'm more of a Keitaro/Motoko fan. However, the latter is pretty much overdone, while the first... needs a great increase here. :p

Oh, and Keitaro/Mutsumi? Another neglected pairing? :wub: More the merrier I say! :lol:
 

Alzrius

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#31
Pirazy said:
Speaking of the Shinmei Ryu appearing in MSN, doesn't those two in the background in the bottom frame in the first pic look familiar? Motoko and Tsuroko perhaps?

However unlikely it is, wouldn't it be something if Setsuna turned out to be Tsuroko's illusive child? Then again she's part-demon and mentions later in vol6 that the Shinmei Ryu abandoned her..
But it'd help explain Motokos hatred for men if it turned out that the man her sister married was also a demon, or maybe a half-demon. Yeah I know it's almost entirely impossible (like 0.1% chance of happening) but i'd sure make things interesting wouldn't it? :)
An interesting idea. Notice that there are four people in the background there. The small girl is Setsuna, and if the other two are Motoko and Tsuruko, then perhaps the man is Tsuruko's husband?

However, there are some problems with this theory. Motoko is, as I recall, twenty-one when the Love Hina manga ends in the year 2005, which would mean she was born in 1984. Given that Setsuna was born in 1989, and seems to be roughly five years old or so in those flashbacks, that'd mean that Motoko would only have been ten or so then, and while those figures in the background aren't very well-defined, saying the middle woman there is only ten seems a stretch - notice that that figure also has her hair trailing down from what looks like a bun in back, which Motoko is never shown to do.

It's also a mild stretch, though not an impossible one, to say that Setsuna could be Tsuruko's child. Even leaving her nature as a hanyou aside (and that's a huge problem with that theory), the ages are a problem too. If Tsuruko is, say twenty-five when she appears in the relatively early part of Love Hina, that'd be the year 2000. Subtract eleven years from that to go back to 1989, when Setsuna was born, and you have Tsuruko giving birth at age fourteen! The theory becomes a little more viable if Tsuruko was thirty when we first meet her, but that'd still mean she already took over the school, got married, gave up the school, and gave birth, all by the time she was nineteen. Possible, but still...

In regards to her affiliation with Shinmei Ryu...in volume four Setsuna says that she became a traitor to Shinmei Ryu when she left them and went east to Mahora so she could continue to watch over Konoka.

Oddly though, at the end of volume six, she tries to leave again after having been outed as a hanyou. The strange thing (this may be due to an improper translation) is how she says that leaving is the "way of the tribe" (seemingly indicating she's not the only one in her family who is part bird demon) and that she's repaid her "debt to the Konoe family for the Shinmei Ryu training and taking her in," which suggests that the only reason she became a disciple of Shinmei Ryu is because the Konoe family sponsored her somehow.
 

Terdwilicker

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#32
The only problem with Mutsumi is her fainting spells seemed part of the curse of Keitaro's immortality. Consider: her intelligence and luck are supremely high and she would have gotten in years earlier than Keitaro. He's the one holding the girls back. All his luck seems to be based on the magic of the promise. None of them could get in until ALL got in. It seems that Kei and Mutsumi and Naru have to enter together, at one time, to fulfill the promise or else suffer more effects of its curse. Did you notice in 13, he was about to enter with only Naru and got taken away to Molmol. Would that have happened if he was holding Mutsumi in his other hand? I don't think so.

That said, is Keitaro doomed to miserable luck unless he stays with BOTH of Naru and Mutsumi as his lovers? With Naru's jealousy, that would prove difficult. Would Naru encounter strange luck and end up in naughty positions with Mutsumi? Most fanfic authors show Mutsumi as Bisexual due to her kissing Naru and Keitaro way back in volume 3. She does study, but only failed the test because she didn't write her name on it, or fainted. Would she suddenly become healthy once the promise if fulfilled properly with BOTH of the others? That sounds like something which should become a fanfic all by itself.
 

Israfel

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#33
The only problem with Mutsumi is her fainting spells seemed part of the curse of Keitaro's immortality. Consider: her intelligence and luck are supremely high and she would have gotten in years earlier than Keitaro. He's the one holding the girls back. All his luck seems to be based on the magic of the promise. None of them could get in until ALL got in. It seems that Kei and Mutsumi and Naru have to enter together, at one time, to fulfill the promise or else suffer more effects of its curse. Did you notice in 13, he was about to enter with only Naru and got taken away to Molmol. Would that have happened if he was holding Mutsumi in his other hand? I don't think so.

That said, is Keitaro doomed to miserable luck unless he stays with BOTH of Naru and Mutsumi as his lovers? With Naru's jealousy, that would prove difficult. Would Naru encounter strange luck and end up in naughty positions with Mutsumi? Most fanfic authors show Mutsumi as Bisexual due to her kissing Naru and Keitaro way back in volume 3. She does study, but only failed the test because she didn't write her name on it, or fainted. Would she suddenly become healthy once the promise if fulfilled properly with BOTH of the others? That sounds like something which should become a fanfic all by itself.
HMMMMM! Very good, very interesting, and what's more, very plausible ideas, it would be very interesting to see it done, also, I don't mind Naru being in the pairing so long as she isn't the only one in it, so this would definitely be fine for me. Me likes and wants more.
 

SimmyC

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#34
Yeah. The age issue pretty much hurts the idea that Tsuruko is Setsuna's mother. And then of course, the Hanyou issue (why would the Aoyama's allow a demon to be married to one of their top swordswomen? Much less, Tsuruko allowing it and so forth). In Fallen Blade, I've pretty much kept their parents identity a secret, and well, mentioned who Setsuna was taken care of at the Shinmei Ryu (though admittingly, Setsuna in FB is more of a ;) than anything. After all, can't be a true crossover given that.. A: Have not read Negima yet, and B: story isn't about Setsuna or anyone in Negima. There is a thing called "Not adding characters/details that are not important to the overall theme of the story". Though there are always a prequel to FB. :lol: ).

As for Mutsumi's luck part of the curse of the promise? Another plausible idea I see. ^_^ Would be interesting to see it written out, and yeah, Naru's jealousy pretty much hurts the idea of them being together, all three of them.

As for Mutsumi being Bi... yeah, that kiss was... odd. Though it seems to fit with her blase attitude about life. Which given that her life could end at any moment due to her fainting spells, guess that wouldn't be such a surprise after all.

Fun fact (using Mosh's little saying. :p), the accidental 'kiss' between Sasuke and Naruto early in the mangas could probably explain why there are so many Yaoi fangirls out there. :sweat: He basically threw out some fresh meat out to the wolves.
 

toraneko

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#35
SimmyC said:
Fun fact (using Mosh's little saying. :p), the accidental 'kiss' between Sasuke and Naruto early in the mangas could probably explain why there are so many Yaoi fangirls out there. :sweat: He basically threw out some fresh meat out to the wolves.
As long as the fangirl is willing to disregard the whole "Gah! My mouth is rotting!" part.

...which is an irritatingly frequent occurrence. :flameon:
 

Moshulel

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#36
toraneko said:
SimmyC said:
Fun fact (using Mosh's little saying. :p), the accidental 'kiss' between Sasuke and Naruto early in the mangas could probably explain why there are so many Yaoi fangirls out there.? :sweat: He basically threw out some fresh meat out to the wolves.
As long as the fangirl is willing to disregard the whole "Gah! My mouth is rotting!" part.

...which is an irritatingly frequent occurrence. :flameon:
Or the fact that they would have killed each other if not for the fan girls... :sweat:

But as long as they get their buttsecks they don't care that it's not Naruto in there. :sweat:

*I don't think Sasuke is quite straight*
 

toraneko

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#37
Moshulel said:
Or the fact that they would have killed each other if not for the fan girls... :sweat:

But as long as they get their buttsecks they don't care that it's not Naruto in there. :sweat:

*I don't think Sasuke is quite straight*
At least that can be agreed on.

I mean, he shows no interest in the opposite sex, has an obsession with proving himself better than other male shinobi, and, when Orochimaru all but says "Want some candy, little boy?" Sasuke runs after him like he was trying to claim a lottery jackpot.

"Remember, kids, you can't spell 'Sasuke' without 'Uke'!"
 

Terdwilicker

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#38
Just finished Vol. 9. Story about Motoko, Shinobu, Haruka, and Naru not answering Kei's affection. That's pretty harsh. And Shinobu taking him to a Love Hotel, and a hot date, things could have gone differently if she were a little more drunk. Naru says she wants to just be friends, but she's willing to kiss, which is contradictory. Naru is such a mess that she's become a tease. As time passes I can imagine the other girls getting more angry with her, and more disgusted with her antics and abuse. So far my plotline seems correct for GWH:K. That's good news.

Also, I've written some lemony stuff but I'm not very happy with the dialogue in it. So I'm going to think a bit and probably edit before I release it in the Lemon section. Please be patient.
 

runestar

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#39
Story about Motoko, Shinobu, Haruka, and Naru not answering Kei's affection.
It's sorta goes both ways actually, with Keitaro being such a gentleman and such. Things arguably would have gone a very different way had either party been just a tad more persistent/less reserved. B)

And you sure make reading manga seem like such a chore... :lol:
 

Terdwilicker

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#40
Well, it kinda IS a chore, only because I have to hurry so I can get back to writing the story effectively. I'm afraid that writer's block will return and I won't be able to do anything more. I do like what I see and its nice to see that my overall impression of the characters from the anime, while shallower and less detailed, are still mostly accurate. I'm sure I'll reread it more slowly to enjoy the details more in future. For now, it's a race to fight just the right spot in the story for my own tale to diverge from.
 

toraneko

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#41
Yeah, I do kinda notice the same thing about the characters in the anime - they're mostly the same, but less developed.

At least that's a step above the many anime that change important things about a character's personality.
 

Terdwilicker

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#42
Okay. I finished reading the manga.

Thoughts:
The ending feels rushed, though its still kinda tear jerky. I'm a soft touch, I admit. Its surprising just how much self doubt and jealousy rules Naru. I feel sorry for her, and her suiciding seems plausible, though she's likely to be pragmatic and simply stop noticing men once Keitaro dumps her. Seeing Motoko offer to be his mistress, with Naru's approval, was a shock. Same with Kitsune walking away from the Hinata Sou to manage the teahouse.

So, where do I fit my Great White Hunter Keitaro in the story? Too many things happen in 13 which are silly and out of character. I place it there, between Motoko's admission of a love for Kei, but before the Molmol adventure. That was over the top, even for Suu.

Btw, I still think Great Chef Keitaro is a good idea though I haven't heard anyone volunteering to do it yet.
 

Terdwilicker

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#43
Its funny you know, watching the anime after having read the manga... its really very good. The anime has really good animation of their body language, expressions, and the characters are much richer in that aspect than the manga allows. Yes, the manga gives you different background depth, and many events are quite different, but when all is said and done both the anime and manga are relevant and valuable to the series.
 

SMWhat

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#44
Sorry for necromancy, but something just occurred to me.

The island episode had Sara getting all mad at Kitsune about--ah, I know what she was mad about, but I forget the words.

My main point: could the anime have been shooting for a Kitsune/Seta pairing?!
 
#45
I think it was going after a Kitsune/Sarah pairing myself.
 

Terdwilicker

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#46
Yes, I think it was implied, which is why I included that detail in my fanfic GWH: Keitaro. The idea that Kitsune had been forced to give up on relationships with boys and men she liked for the sake of Naru was one of the reasons she ended up so angry and unhappy and eventually marries him over Naru's objections. I think the Seta thing is why Kitsune drinks, actually.

If someone were to write a story with Kitsune and Haruka in a love triangle with Seta while Naru is distracted by Keitaro, it would probably be pretty interesting.
 
#47
I saw a fic once where the LH gang goes to Vegas and a round of divorces and marriages ensue - Seta and Haruka split and Seta marries Kitsune, Keitaro, while drunk off his ass, marries Mutsumi after divorcing Naru, who marries Kanako...
 

ttestagr

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#48
That sounds crazy beyond belief, but since it seems to be Kei/Mutsumi send me a linkee please. I've looked for Kei/Mutsumi fics and haven't really found anything.
 
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