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Pardon the double post, but meh.
Vhailor, Mercykiller
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Class: Berserker
Gender: Male
Strength: A
Endurance: B
Agility: C
Mana: D
Luck: E- - Vhailor is...not the luckiest of fellows. A massive understatement, except for the fact that he still survived even after being locked in a prison for centuries, being persuaded to 'die' by the very person who locked him up, and a contingent of angry gods.
Charisma: E-- - Even as an Eirei, Vhailor tends not to be subtle. With anything. Very few people like having a massive axe leveled at their face accompanied by the living armor behind it asking "What SINS have you COMMITTED? What CRIMES do you HIDE?"
Mad Enhancement: B - Rank-up for all parameters; utterly insane, but with a chilling clarity.
Battle Continuation- B
Vhailor is only 'alive' if the speaker takes great liberties in applying the word. After the Nameless One convinced him of the criminals awaiting judgement after death, Vhailor's spirit slaughtered its way across the various chaotic afterlives, somehow defying even the gods with his sheer will. For a time, at least. Finally cornered by a group of gods who were much displeased at the judgement brought upon their supplicants, Vhailor was somehow contacted by the Throne of Heroes. It is not known how exactly, but the Grail seems capable of reaching beyond mere worlds, to even those legends which do not even yet exist in our small plane.
Noble Phantasms:
Judging Vision- All who are guilty shall be punished.
Type: Support
Rank: A
An odd power, unique to Vhailor. Allows him to 'see' the alignment of foes, and judge them as either guilty or not guilty.
Mercykiller's Mail, I shall not rest until the sentences of the condemned have been carried out.
Type:Support
Rank: EX
Vhailor's armor is both a Noble Phantasm and his own body. To defeat this Servant, one must utterly destroy the armor, and the axe, or the Mercykiller will rise once more.
Vhailor's Axe, Mercy is for the weak.
Type: Anti-Unit
Rank: A
Strengthened by his sheer willpower, this axe has become something...more. It has no fancy powers, save an uncanny ability to smash through even the most powerful of defenses, to damage the most invincible of foes...all in the service of Justice.
Meh...not all that great. Someone else should give it a shot, I'm feeling too tired to be all that creative with the NPs and all that.
Vhailor, Mercykiller
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Class: Berserker
Gender: Male
Strength: A
Endurance: B
Agility: C
Mana: D
Luck: E- - Vhailor is...not the luckiest of fellows. A massive understatement, except for the fact that he still survived even after being locked in a prison for centuries, being persuaded to 'die' by the very person who locked him up, and a contingent of angry gods.
Charisma: E-- - Even as an Eirei, Vhailor tends not to be subtle. With anything. Very few people like having a massive axe leveled at their face accompanied by the living armor behind it asking "What SINS have you COMMITTED? What CRIMES do you HIDE?"
Mad Enhancement: B - Rank-up for all parameters; utterly insane, but with a chilling clarity.
Battle Continuation- B
Vhailor is only 'alive' if the speaker takes great liberties in applying the word. After the Nameless One convinced him of the criminals awaiting judgement after death, Vhailor's spirit slaughtered its way across the various chaotic afterlives, somehow defying even the gods with his sheer will. For a time, at least. Finally cornered by a group of gods who were much displeased at the judgement brought upon their supplicants, Vhailor was somehow contacted by the Throne of Heroes. It is not known how exactly, but the Grail seems capable of reaching beyond mere worlds, to even those legends which do not even yet exist in our small plane.
Noble Phantasms:
Judging Vision- All who are guilty shall be punished.
Type: Support
Rank: A
An odd power, unique to Vhailor. Allows him to 'see' the alignment of foes, and judge them as either guilty or not guilty.
Mercykiller's Mail, I shall not rest until the sentences of the condemned have been carried out.
Type:Support
Rank: EX
Vhailor's armor is both a Noble Phantasm and his own body. To defeat this Servant, one must utterly destroy the armor, and the axe, or the Mercykiller will rise once more.
Vhailor's Axe, Mercy is for the weak.
Type: Anti-Unit
Rank: A
Strengthened by his sheer willpower, this axe has become something...more. It has no fancy powers, save an uncanny ability to smash through even the most powerful of defenses, to damage the most invincible of foes...all in the service of Justice.
Meh...not all that great. Someone else should give it a shot, I'm feeling too tired to be all that creative with the NPs and all that.
Barbarossa Rugner, Invincible Golden Sovereign
Servant Saber
Strength: A
Endurance: A+
Agility: B
Mana: A
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: A+
Magic Resistance: A
Riding: D
Instinct: A
Charisma: EX - Sovereign Rune, meet natural charisma. People, obey.
Noble Phantasms
Dragon King Sword, Invincible Domination Blade
Rank: A
Type: Anti-Unit
Servant Saber, by invoking the powers of his blade, transforms from a genial and brilliant administrator-king to the fearsome conqueror who crushed any and all who would oppose his vision of what would become his empire.
Invoking the power of the Dragon King Sword magnifies the effect Saber has on people - good or bad - tenfold, boosts his natural ability to command armies and makes it extremely hard for anyone to attack him by virtue of projecting his charisma like a weapon.
Apart from that, the Dragon King Sword is an unbreakable, unnaturally sharp sword that does not part from it's wielder's hands unless Saber wants it to. Any and all attempts at disarming Saber are useless, as sword and wielder alike refuse to budge to concepts such as physics, logic or force.
Sovereign Rune, Invincible Shield of the Sovereign
Rank: A++
Type: Support
Saber carries within his blade the sign of absolute, imperishable and uncontestable rule. One Saber activates this, he is, for up to five minutes or the point where he and his master both run out of mana, the embodiment of rulership.
This bestows the following effects unto Saber:
Any command he gives is immediately and absolutely obeyed unless it would bring grievous bodily harm to the subject.
Any damage dealt to Saber is halved - strikes that would decapitate him will merely cut deeply, crushing blows that would pulp him will merely shatter bones and even spears that would piece his heart will stop a hair's breadth away from his heart. This is a fate-altering effect - nothing can instantly kill him, although any sufficient amount of cumulative lethal damage will still bring Saber to his knees and death.
Golden Hydra, Golden Tyrant Form
Rank: A+
Type: Support/Anti-Batallion
The final stage of the Sovereign Rune, Saber does away with all pretense of fairness, drops his sword and embraces the Sovereign Rune's power. Changing into a massive, nearly invulnerable, multiple-men-height golden Hydra, the indomitable spirit of Saber finally finds a shell worthy of holding it.
Until Saber decides to stop fighting, for whatever reason, is bested in battle through any possible means, or until all enemies that would stand between him and his master are dead, the effects of Golden Hydra stay active. While Golden Hydra is in effect, Saber is unconcealable due to his aura and size as well as gaining further damage-soaking powers and nearly unrivalled offensive potential due to three regenerating maws full of teeth that treat titanium as if it were wet cardboard.
Saber falls into a near-coma for four days after the activation of this Noble Phantasm due to the incredible mana drain put on both himself and his Master, and is defenseless like a newborn kitten during this time.
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His stats: People, if you've played Suikoden 1, you'll agree with me that Charisma: EX is well-deserved. Incredible inborn leadership paired with the authority-bolstering effects of the Sovereign Rune make him an irresistible person.
and... there you go, trev.
Servant Saber
Strength: A
Endurance: A+
Agility: B
Mana: A
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: A+
Magic Resistance: A
Riding: D
Instinct: A
Charisma: EX - Sovereign Rune, meet natural charisma. People, obey.
Noble Phantasms
Dragon King Sword, Invincible Domination Blade
Rank: A
Type: Anti-Unit
Servant Saber, by invoking the powers of his blade, transforms from a genial and brilliant administrator-king to the fearsome conqueror who crushed any and all who would oppose his vision of what would become his empire.
Invoking the power of the Dragon King Sword magnifies the effect Saber has on people - good or bad - tenfold, boosts his natural ability to command armies and makes it extremely hard for anyone to attack him by virtue of projecting his charisma like a weapon.
Apart from that, the Dragon King Sword is an unbreakable, unnaturally sharp sword that does not part from it's wielder's hands unless Saber wants it to. Any and all attempts at disarming Saber are useless, as sword and wielder alike refuse to budge to concepts such as physics, logic or force.
Sovereign Rune, Invincible Shield of the Sovereign
Rank: A++
Type: Support
Saber carries within his blade the sign of absolute, imperishable and uncontestable rule. One Saber activates this, he is, for up to five minutes or the point where he and his master both run out of mana, the embodiment of rulership.
This bestows the following effects unto Saber:
Any command he gives is immediately and absolutely obeyed unless it would bring grievous bodily harm to the subject.
Any damage dealt to Saber is halved - strikes that would decapitate him will merely cut deeply, crushing blows that would pulp him will merely shatter bones and even spears that would piece his heart will stop a hair's breadth away from his heart. This is a fate-altering effect - nothing can instantly kill him, although any sufficient amount of cumulative lethal damage will still bring Saber to his knees and death.
Golden Hydra, Golden Tyrant Form
Rank: A+
Type: Support/Anti-Batallion
The final stage of the Sovereign Rune, Saber does away with all pretense of fairness, drops his sword and embraces the Sovereign Rune's power. Changing into a massive, nearly invulnerable, multiple-men-height golden Hydra, the indomitable spirit of Saber finally finds a shell worthy of holding it.
Until Saber decides to stop fighting, for whatever reason, is bested in battle through any possible means, or until all enemies that would stand between him and his master are dead, the effects of Golden Hydra stay active. While Golden Hydra is in effect, Saber is unconcealable due to his aura and size as well as gaining further damage-soaking powers and nearly unrivalled offensive potential due to three regenerating maws full of teeth that treat titanium as if it were wet cardboard.
Saber falls into a near-coma for four days after the activation of this Noble Phantasm due to the incredible mana drain put on both himself and his Master, and is defenseless like a newborn kitten during this time.
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His stats: People, if you've played Suikoden 1, you'll agree with me that Charisma: EX is well-deserved. Incredible inborn leadership paired with the authority-bolstering effects of the Sovereign Rune make him an irresistible person.
and... there you go, trev.
Ah, thank the good lord Raptor, he who provides succulent Nasuverse meat for his flock of Raptor children.
Awesome. I don't know whether to laugh, or cry, or both. I mean, Barbarossa is like Arthur and Gilgamesh put together and then multiplied by three. Soaks up everything an end-game party can throw at him, then still has enough power to weather Soul Eater's rejection of Windy and then toss himself and his lady love from the top of Gregminster castle.
Thanks, Cornuthaum.
Awesome. I don't know whether to laugh, or cry, or both. I mean, Barbarossa is like Arthur and Gilgamesh put together and then multiplied by three. Soaks up everything an end-game party can throw at him, then still has enough power to weather Soul Eater's rejection of Windy and then toss himself and his lady love from the top of Gregminster castle.
Thanks, Cornuthaum.
Gil would still be able to kill him. Gil's amount of firepower is so obscene that the multitude of small wounds would eventually overwhelm Rugner, and if you look at it, unless he pops the Hydra, he's pretty much limited to a sword, sharp and pointy as it might be.
And Saber? EX-CALIBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Soaking that? Good night. He'd keel over from exhaustion.
Assuming that he'd stand still and let himself be hit, though. :X
And Saber? EX-CALIBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Soaking that? Good night. He'd keel over from exhaustion.
Assuming that he'd stand still and let himself be hit, though. :X
Can Dragon King Sword, Invincible Domination Blade be blocked, deflected, or parried (are the last two the same thing?) with sufficient power and force, like another unbreakable and unnaturally sharp weapon, with said weapon wielded by a Servant with equal or more Strength than him? You never said they would find it difficult to block, deflect, or parry him.
Also, Sovereign Rune, Invincible Shield of the Sovereign seems more like an EX than an A++ to me (aren't they the same rank, or was that A+++?). It essentially makes him have Fate/stay Night's Heracles Berserker's Battle Continuation (A-rank) Ability, though it would probably be downed a rank or two, and his God Hand: The Twelve Labours (B-rank support) Noble Phantasm.
I like the after-effect of Golden Hydra, Golden Tyrant Form. It'd ensure that you would never use it unless you have an absolutely non-locatable place to hide, at the Final Battle, and/or outnumbered.
Also, Sovereign Rune, Invincible Shield of the Sovereign seems more like an EX than an A++ to me (aren't they the same rank, or was that A+++?). It essentially makes him have Fate/stay Night's Heracles Berserker's Battle Continuation (A-rank) Ability, though it would probably be downed a rank or two, and his God Hand: The Twelve Labours (B-rank support) Noble Phantasm.
I like the after-effect of Golden Hydra, Golden Tyrant Form. It'd ensure that you would never use it unless you have an absolutely non-locatable place to hide, at the Final Battle, and/or outnumbered.
Golden Hydra means that as long as Saber and his Master are aware of at least ONE MORE ENEMY, the Hydra-form will not dissipate. If it's the lat enemy they are AWARE of, it WILL dissipate.
Sovereign Rune, Invincible Shield of the Sovereign was intended to be a toned-down version of Heracles' abilities, yes. It's not multiple lives and immunity to whatever killed you in teh first place, but abnormal damage reduction paired with the ability to instantly strike back.
And the DKS has no mystic autohit or unblockable ability - save for the fact that Rugner can distract them by ordering them to look to the left. They look to the left, he strikes 'em.
Only if the command itself does harm to the coimmanded one is it rejected (no "kill yourself" but "turn your back to me and stand on one leg for ten seconds" works)
Sovereign Rune, Invincible Shield of the Sovereign was intended to be a toned-down version of Heracles' abilities, yes. It's not multiple lives and immunity to whatever killed you in teh first place, but abnormal damage reduction paired with the ability to instantly strike back.
And the DKS has no mystic autohit or unblockable ability - save for the fact that Rugner can distract them by ordering them to look to the left. They look to the left, he strikes 'em.
Only if the command itself does harm to the coimmanded one is it rejected (no "kill yourself" but "turn your back to me and stand on one leg for ten seconds" works)
Ah, I should have been more clear. I like to put more detail in my descriptions of his powers (like good old Cornuthaum seems to be able to do so easily...), and I felt I didn't put enough in this Servant version of Vhailor. No, I have no issues with anything else, I just felt I could have been more descriptive.
Personally, I never got around to using Vhailor. I managed to convince him he wasn't alive...should have listened to those "You sense pursuing this line of conversation might be dangerous" lines. :sweat2:
Personally, I never got around to using Vhailor. I managed to convince him he wasn't alive...should have listened to those "You sense pursuing this line of conversation might be dangerous" lines. :sweat2:
Vergil, half-blood Dark Slayer
Class: Saber
Strength: A
Endurance: A
Agility: A
Mana: A
Luck: C
Noble Phantasm: A
Magic Resistance: C
Eye of Inmost Harmony: A
Battle Continuation: B
Mana Burst: A
Noble Phantasms
Yamato, Dimension Blade of the Demon Knight
Rank: A
Type: Anti-Unit/Anti-Batallion
Yamato is an ancient blade once held by the legendary Demon Knight, Sparda. It possesses the ability to damage any being in existence, from Servants to Demons. Yamato can slash enemies up to fifteen meters away by converting prana into a dimensional blade.
Phantom Swords, Ghostly Blades of the Demon Knight
Rank: C
Type: Anti-Unit
VergilÆs Phantom Sword ability creates a blade of prana, which floats in the air and attacks at VergilÆs mental command. Individual blades cost negligible prana, and do average damage, shattering on impact for added injury. VergilÆs ability to summon and control them, however, is so great that he can create eight blades and manoeuvre them simultaneously, either to defend himself or assault an opponent. This greater power is reflected by greater mana costs.
The DevilÆs Blood, Boon of the Demon Sire
Rank: A
Type: Support/Anti-Unit
Vergil can temporarily increase his battle prowess by invoking his demonic heritage. All damage is reduced by half, and all parameters are boosted as though they were rank+. The drain on his mana is intense, allowing him to sustain the power for a maximum of one minute, before he must abandon the transformation. He can, however, conserve mana by transforming for fractions of a minute. Full deployment leaves him so drained of mana that he cannot use YamatoÆs dimensional slashes or mana burst. Even when inactive, this ability necessitates full decapitation of Saber for a successful killing blow.
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Mana Burst here supplants VergilÆs trick abilities. His sword-skills on their own are very, very fast, but using mana burst in addition allows them to approach speeds on par with Tsubame Gaeshi. Both in DMC3 and here, Rapid Slash sports a greater number of slashes and superior range than the KojirouÆs ougi.
Note the downsides of his Devil Trigger, too. If anyone (Berserker for sure. Possibly Lancer or Gil.) survives his transformation, he must rely on his base statistics, battoujutsu ability and phantom swords to kill them. Full-on headshots are a must, as even a heart-shot wonÆt kill him.
Comments?
Class: Saber
Strength: A
Endurance: A
Agility: A
Mana: A
Luck: C
Noble Phantasm: A
Magic Resistance: C
Eye of Inmost Harmony: A
Battle Continuation: B
Mana Burst: A
Noble Phantasms
Yamato, Dimension Blade of the Demon Knight
Rank: A
Type: Anti-Unit/Anti-Batallion
Yamato is an ancient blade once held by the legendary Demon Knight, Sparda. It possesses the ability to damage any being in existence, from Servants to Demons. Yamato can slash enemies up to fifteen meters away by converting prana into a dimensional blade.
Phantom Swords, Ghostly Blades of the Demon Knight
Rank: C
Type: Anti-Unit
VergilÆs Phantom Sword ability creates a blade of prana, which floats in the air and attacks at VergilÆs mental command. Individual blades cost negligible prana, and do average damage, shattering on impact for added injury. VergilÆs ability to summon and control them, however, is so great that he can create eight blades and manoeuvre them simultaneously, either to defend himself or assault an opponent. This greater power is reflected by greater mana costs.
The DevilÆs Blood, Boon of the Demon Sire
Rank: A
Type: Support/Anti-Unit
Vergil can temporarily increase his battle prowess by invoking his demonic heritage. All damage is reduced by half, and all parameters are boosted as though they were rank+. The drain on his mana is intense, allowing him to sustain the power for a maximum of one minute, before he must abandon the transformation. He can, however, conserve mana by transforming for fractions of a minute. Full deployment leaves him so drained of mana that he cannot use YamatoÆs dimensional slashes or mana burst. Even when inactive, this ability necessitates full decapitation of Saber for a successful killing blow.
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Mana Burst here supplants VergilÆs trick abilities. His sword-skills on their own are very, very fast, but using mana burst in addition allows them to approach speeds on par with Tsubame Gaeshi. Both in DMC3 and here, Rapid Slash sports a greater number of slashes and superior range than the KojirouÆs ougi.
Note the downsides of his Devil Trigger, too. If anyone (Berserker for sure. Possibly Lancer or Gil.) survives his transformation, he must rely on his base statistics, battoujutsu ability and phantom swords to kill them. Full-on headshots are a must, as even a heart-shot wonÆt kill him.
Comments?
Hey guys, what sort of class would the character Druss the Legend from David Gemmel novels fits best?
Jack the Ripper? The guy that killed women who were allegedly prostitutes? I'm also pretty sure he killed them while in a public place, semi-public at least. Somewhere people go through everyday.
I think it is probably impossible for him to be a Berserker, Rider (unless the class can ride humans as a weapon, but they'd probably all be dead), Archer, Lancer, or Caster.
This leaves Assassin, Avenger, Saber, or a True Assassin.
Personally? I think it would be awesome if he was an Avenger class. Jack the Ripper was a normal human, he couldn't be that powerful as a Servant (no matter the class), unless one gives him supernatural powers that let him do those murders in public and semi-public places, even at night. If I recall correctly, Avenger was the same thing -- an ordinary villager. However, Avenger of canon seems to have no morals, whereas Jack the Ripper (from what little we know) seems to have at least a spec of a code of honor.
Perhaps as an Assassin -- since theorists (and officials) suggest that he had anatomical and surgical knowledge -- and he did commit all his murders in places where people traveled through nearly everyday.
Saber I think is unlikely, unless he used a sword or something against his victims. Even then it still wouldn't seem right.
The True Assassin would just leave him as a Servant that doesn't have an identity.i
I think it is probably impossible for him to be a Berserker, Rider (unless the class can ride humans as a weapon, but they'd probably all be dead), Archer, Lancer, or Caster.
This leaves Assassin, Avenger, Saber, or a True Assassin.
Personally? I think it would be awesome if he was an Avenger class. Jack the Ripper was a normal human, he couldn't be that powerful as a Servant (no matter the class), unless one gives him supernatural powers that let him do those murders in public and semi-public places, even at night. If I recall correctly, Avenger was the same thing -- an ordinary villager. However, Avenger of canon seems to have no morals, whereas Jack the Ripper (from what little we know) seems to have at least a spec of a code of honor.
Perhaps as an Assassin -- since theorists (and officials) suggest that he had anatomical and surgical knowledge -- and he did commit all his murders in places where people traveled through nearly everyday.
Saber I think is unlikely, unless he used a sword or something against his victims. Even then it still wouldn't seem right.
The True Assassin would just leave him as a Servant that doesn't have an identity.i
No one except for the Avenger who was summoned during the third war can become Avenger. You might as well write it off as a possible class, since only one person can become it. Also, there is no 'True Assassin' class. The only reason True Assassin was known as True Assassin is because the Assassin summoned during the Fifth War was kind of a fake. The Type-Moon wiki describes Assassin as this: "Assassin is one of the seven normal Servant classes summoned for the Holy Grail War. Servants placed within this class are always, as a rule, one of the 18 Hassan i Sabbah, the leaders of the clan of the Hashshashins who passed the name down."
I suppose that Jack the Ripper could be summoned as an improper Assassin-type servant in the same way that 'Sasaki Kojir' was summoned during the Fifth War, although I don't think he could fit any other class.
I suppose that Jack the Ripper could be summoned as an improper Assassin-type servant in the same way that 'Sasaki Kojir' was summoned during the Fifth War, although I don't think he could fit any other class.
I'll give you some advice about this thread Raven...don't bother to try to bring up the actual rules of a servant class. Most people will simply ignore it and all that it will cause you is a load of frustration for you. Trust me, I've tried.
Granted, those notes are correct about classes, but they will largely be ignored in any future posts. Hell, a lot of things presented in this thread are incorrect in terms of facts.
Granted, those notes are correct about classes, but they will largely be ignored in any future posts. Hell, a lot of things presented in this thread are incorrect in terms of facts.
Specifically? True Assassins have always been in the Holy Grail war, therefore it is a class.
Avenger was supposed to be Angra Mainyu, or the incarnation of, which would make it the source of all Evil. It wasn't. It was a sacrificed villager that, if I recall correctly, had bad things happen around him.
Avenger was supposed to be Angra Mainyu, or the incarnation of, which would make it the source of all Evil. It wasn't. It was a sacrificed villager that, if I recall correctly, had bad things happen around him.
Also, you are ignoring the fact that in wikipedia's article on True Assassin, the article itself points out that the only reason the word 'True' is used is to distinguish between a proper member of the class Assassin, and a faker, such as 'Sasaki Kojir'.
Again, there is no True Assassin class, and even if there was, the information we have been given, that both of us have quoted, would dictate that only one of the leaders of al-Assasn would qualify, meaning that Jack the Ripper couldn't be one, which was my point.
Also, Avenger was the Einzbern's attempt at summoning the source of all evil, Angra Mainyu. However, you are correct in stating that instead of summoning him, they summoned a villager, Abel. The reason he was able to be summoned was because his village sacrificed him as Angra Mainyu, therefore, since in the minds of those who sacrificed him, he was considered to be the source of all evil. I suppose that if some other unlucky fellow was offed because people thought he was the source of all evil, he could be be summoned as Avenger, but again, those who are more knowledgable about the Nasuverse would be able to tell you more. Either way, Jack the Ripper was never considered by anyone to be more than human, much less the source of all evil. That pretty much debunks your theory that he could be summoned as Avenger.
sigfried27: Yeah, you're probably right, but the Nasuverse has an awesome system set up, and as someone who rather enjoyed the novels and games, I felt that I should at least put up a token defense.
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Again, there is no True Assassin class, and even if there was, the information we have been given, that both of us have quoted, would dictate that only one of the leaders of al-Assasn would qualify, meaning that Jack the Ripper couldn't be one, which was my point.
Also, Avenger was the Einzbern's attempt at summoning the source of all evil, Angra Mainyu. However, you are correct in stating that instead of summoning him, they summoned a villager, Abel. The reason he was able to be summoned was because his village sacrificed him as Angra Mainyu, therefore, since in the minds of those who sacrificed him, he was considered to be the source of all evil. I suppose that if some other unlucky fellow was offed because people thought he was the source of all evil, he could be be summoned as Avenger, but again, those who are more knowledgable about the Nasuverse would be able to tell you more. Either way, Jack the Ripper was never considered by anyone to be more than human, much less the source of all evil. That pretty much debunks your theory that he could be summoned as Avenger.
sigfried27: Yeah, you're probably right, but the Nasuverse has an awesome system set up, and as someone who rather enjoyed the novels and games, I felt that I should at least put up a token defense.
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Oh, I know that you are just trying to defend the Nasuverse system, and I understand since I've tried to do it myself in other threads as well. I just say what I did knowing that in all my times trying to point out the facts of the Nasuverse, they are generally just ignored anyways. Only trying to save you some frustration.