Marvel-verse/DC-verse+To Aru Majutsu

Aegis

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#1
Alright so basically I'm stuck on deciding where to go here in the crossover fanfiction world. There's two basic routes I can take, by the title it should be obvious what I mean. Both Marvel and DC hold super-powered freaks of doom, fortunately DC seems to be more "normal guy" friendly, but not by much, while Marvel seems to have plenty of good characters to deal with. My knowledge of both verses is......limited at best, mostly to the common knowledge bits. This thread is to help in the discussion of heroes, villains and the most fitting verse for this fic. To make it clear I want to make things be on pretty much even ground for the most part and avoid Character hyping as much as I can, I'll be the first to admit to being a To Aru fanboy. I'd also like each of your takes on what characters from the Novel/Manga/Anime you'd like to expect to see.

And on that note the fic itself will take place as a very obvious AU, preferably before volume 21, by how much I'm not too clear on this little bit but with luck I'll also be able to get started soon. And who knows, maybe I can even post the damn thing if my Internet isn't cut off!

Edit: I should probably have stated that pros and cons being stated would be appreciated
 

GenocideHeart

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#2
Simply put, you'll want to avoid interaction with any of the big guns. Go with the 'lesser' heroes and/or teams. Things like the X-Men and Avengers with their rogue galleries are best avoided, as even if there was even ground between the ToAru cast and the heroes, that even ground goes right out the window with things like Apocalypse, Magneto, Loki... basically, any of the big name villains.

And if you bring in any of the big names, Law of Comics states that their greatest foes will choose that moment to show up and use them and anyone nearby as doormats.

Try things like the Runaways who have relatively low-power enemies. 'Relatively' being by Marvel standards, of course. Plus, the lesser heroes need love too.
 

Ryuugi

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#3
What GH said. However, keep in mind that even low level heroes often roll with the Big Leagues. Take the X-Men for example; they range from a guy with wings to a girl who is basically God. And everything in between.
 

nick012000

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#4
I dunno; Railgun and Accelerator could probably hold their own against anything short of the likes of Doomsday or Darkseid.

Not to mention Mr. "My arm makes your powers stop working; sucks to be you."
 

Liam-don

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#5
Didn't we have this thread somewhere already?

And seriously, rather than a power level discussion which will invariably end very badly for To aru can we talk about the story? Good plot can go a long way toward your reader understanding why a character isn't fighting at his strongest.
 

GenocideHeart

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#6
nick012000 said:
Not to mention Mr. "My arm makes your powers stop working; sucks to be you."
Too bad Touma needs to TOUCH people to make their powers stop working. Until then? He's just another very squishy guy who won't like it if, say, someone throws a car at him.

The whole point of why Accelerator's pebbles were dangerous to him is because they weren't anything mystical or fancy - just blocks of rock that were going really fast.

Given how 75% of Marvel has powers that work at long range and some modicum of superstrength to boot, Touma is about as inconsequential as he could possibly be, really.

Also, there's been about a DOZEN people whose power was solely to shut down other people's powers... and they regularly got trashed even by street levelers, because being that kind of one-trick-pony is VERY BAD for your continued health.

EDIT: On a side note, how the hell would Rogue and Touma's powers interact? Both work upon touch, and both have been shown to take priority over other touch-based powers. Seems to me like something very unpleasant would happen there... for both of them.
 

Chavo

Active Member
#7
Several possibilities come to mind when thinking about it. They could "just" swap bodies or fuse into a one being etc.

Or cause Divided by Zero-effect by creating hole into reality because of conflicting h4x-abilities.
 

Crusader

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#8
GenocideHeart said:
EDIT: On a side note, how the hell would Rogue and Touma's powers interact? Both work upon touch, and both have been shown to take priority over other touch-based powers. Seems to me like something very unpleasant would happen there... for both of them.
Kind of like what happened when both Leech and Rogue or when Scrambler and Rogue touched each other I guess. See UXM # 195 & 211

Considering that Storm was depowered for a while and that she still kicked some serious ass she would probably give Touma a sock to the jaw during that period if he tried touching her like Scrambler did during the Mutant Massacre.
 

Aegis

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#9
GenocideHeart said:
nick012000 said:
Not to mention Mr. "My arm makes your powers stop working; sucks to be you."
Too bad Touma needs to TOUCH people to make their powers stop working. Until then? He's just another very squishy guy who won't like it if, say, someone throws a car at him.

The whole point of why Accelerator's pebbles were dangerous to him is because they weren't anything mystical or fancy - just blocks of rock that were going really fast.

Given how 75% of Marvel has powers that work at long range and some modicum of superstrength to boot, Touma is about as inconsequential as he could possibly be, really.

Also, there's been about a DOZEN people whose power was solely to shut down other people's powers... and they regularly got trashed even by street levelers, because being that kind of one-trick-pony is VERY BAD for your continued health.

EDIT: On a side note, how the hell would Rogue and Touma's powers interact? Both work upon touch, and both have been shown to take priority over other touch-based powers. Seems to me like something very unpleasant would happen there... for both of them.
I know the "basics" of Rouge's abilities and what they do and I also know they've gotten "stronger" from what I hear. What worries me most is the fact that we literally have someone who can Absorb ALL abilities and someone who DENIES all Abilities. I've gotten further into the novels, and apparently Touma's hand can go as far as "erasing the Original Sin" from people. What the fuck kind of limit is THAT?! So Touma's basically the Pimp Pope. Regardless, about power levels, and I ask this to GH directly, since he's apparently read To Aru(incidentally how far in are you, man?), we COULD have Touma/Touma's hand start to Awaken.

Actually, more than Touma's hand, I'm far more worried about the Kamiyan disease spreading XD. Any thoughts on that one?


What would happen if Superman punched Accelerator?
 

GenocideHeart

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#10
Depends which Superman. There's so many versions that it could range from not doing anything to literally punching Accelerator out of the plane of existence.
 

Aegis

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#11
GenocideHeart said:
Depends which Superman. There's so many versions that it could range from not doing anything to literally punching Accelerator out of the plane of existence.
Erm.......how about just the most commonly used version, I've honestly no idea what these UBER-Superman versions are
 

Estrecca

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#12
Okay.

Somebody can give me a relatively comprehensive description of what Accelerator's powers/abilities/stats/skills are like?

I've taken plenty of DC pills lately, so with a good description of what the guy can do I should be able to offer some input.
 

nick012000

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#13
GenocideHeart said:
nick012000 said:
Not to mention Mr. "My arm makes your powers stop working; sucks to be you."
Too bad Touma needs to TOUCH people to make their powers stop working. Until then? He's just another very squishy guy who won't like it if, say, someone throws a car at him.

The whole point of why Accelerator's pebbles were dangerous to him is because they weren't anything mystical or fancy - just blocks of rock that were going really fast.
And yet he can block Misaka's hypersonic coins just fine.
 

Aegis

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#14
Estrecca said:
Okay.

Somebody can give me a relatively comprehensive description of what Accelerator's powers/abilities/stats/skills are like?

I've taken plenty of DC pills lately, so with a good description of what the guy can do I should be able to offer some input.
As the strongest esper, his ability is vector control. Even though Kakine had "awakened," he was still no match for Accelerator, and Accelerator was winning the fight even before he "awakened" himself. The nature that Accelerator`s power just happens to resemble is Osiris, the Egyptian god of the dead.

Redirection: He can change the vector values of anything by touch; for example, he kills a Sister clone by reversing the flow of blood inside her body after putting his finger inside her wound. Furthermore, this ability is automatic, so projectiles like bullets or explosives have no effect on him, as they will be redirected. It is because of his ability that he has an albino appearance, as his body blocks all unnecessary ultraviolet radiation, thereby preventing the skin from manufacturing unnecessary melanin. Thus far, he has shown the following ways to use his powers:

Earth Stomp: Using the vectors behind his feets he causes a little explosion made of earth and rocks to attack his opponents, in the begining of the series this was his most common way to attack.

Wind Control: He can re-vector the surrounding winds and force them to congregate at a single point creating an extremely high velocity wind, but it had flaws like when the wind has abnormal directions or when is disturbed by sound as showed as with Kihara in the Volume 13.

Plasma Storm: He can even create plasma by further compressing the wind at high speeds in a single point.

Kinetic Blast: Shown in Volume 13, he takes control of the planet's rotational vectors and tranfers an enormous amount of that energy into one attack. This attack used up so much of the planets rotational energy that it slowed down the the earth's rotation by about 5 minutes.

Brain Hacking: In accord to him by redirecting the electrical signals of the human body he can take 'control' over them and rewrite the memories and personality of the people as showed with Last Order in the Vol.5.

Flight: By controlling the wind around him he creates about 4 high-powered tornadoes behind him to allow him to fly. Showed in Vol.8.

Awakening: He awakens towards the end of volume 13 when he had a epiphany right before he was nearly killed by Kihara, and fully awakened in a fight with another "awakened" level 5, Teitoku Kakine in Volume 15, during which he displayed a massive difference in power between them. His voice began to produce strange sounds due to the processing power being shifted to calculation of vectors, leaving little for verbal speech. The Angelic nature of his ability is described as "He who wields a piece of power that equates to God." He gains the ability to control and create "imaginary vectors" and has the ability to produce black mist, said by Kakine to be the same "Dark Matter" he manipulates, that takes the form of wings that do all the vector-related calculations for him, and as a result he does not need the Misaka Network to manipulate vectors and "imaginary vectors" in his awakened form.

Anti-Magic Field: Showed in the Volume 20, Accelerator can disipate magic attacks thanks to his strong AIM field concentration from his body.

Machine Ingeniuty: Accelerator is also quite competent with machinery and technology, evident in when he modified his cane with various gravity sensors, and small motors to help better support himself, and when he modified his choker to reduce the battery consumption by 90% in order to remain functional in Russia for the long rescue mission.
Basically this, keep in mind when it says "touch" it doesn't neccesarily mean skin to skin contact.

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This is all basically copy-pasta rather than an analysis of his powers, but it should be good enough I hope.

And thanks I was hoping for some DC input
 

Estrecca

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#15
Oookay. That kinetic blast that packs five minutes worth of Earth's gravitational energy is pretty big shit.

Hawkman's weapon, the Claw of Horus, lets him tap into the planetary gravity field. At max power, the thing allegedly is like using the planet itself as a club and a single punch of the Claw of Horus can knock the hell out of Superman (as a matter of fact, he did just that when Luthor put Superman and Batman at the top of the Most Wanted list).
 

Ryuugi

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#16
Estrecca said:
Oookay. That kinetic blast that packs five minutes worth of Earth's gravitational energy is pretty big shit.

Hawkman's weapon, the Claw of Horus, lets him tap into the planetary gravity field. At max power, the thing allegedly is like using the planet itself as a club and a single punch of the Claw of Horus can knock the hell out of Superman (as a matter of fact, he did just that when Luthor put Superman and Batman at the top of the Most Wanted list).
Keep in mind, Batman and Superman staged that 'defeat'. And then jumped those two when their backs were turned, knocked them out, and took their clothes.

Not sure if Accelerator's thing would work, but I figured I should point that out.
 

GenocideHeart

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#17
nick012000 said:
GenocideHeart said:
nick012000 said:
Not to mention Mr. "My arm makes your powers stop working; sucks to be you."
Too bad Touma needs to TOUCH people to make their powers stop working. Until then? He's just another very squishy guy who won't like it if, say, someone throws a car at him.

The whole point of why Accelerator's pebbles were dangerous to him is because they weren't anything mystical or fancy - just blocks of rock that were going really fast.
And yet he can block Misaka's hypersonic coins just fine.
That's because Misaka used her power to supercharge the coins to make them go fast - so Touma affected them BECAUSE they were actively channeling her power.

Accelerator did no such thing. He did the equivalent of letting go of a pebble after it picked up killer momentum - it was nothing fancy, as mentioned, just a piece of rock going at human-killing speed. Touma just plain CAN'T stop that, because there's nothing for his arm to work on, unlike in Misaka's case.
 

nick012000

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#18
As for Touma vs Rogue, I wouldn't be surprised if her successfully absorbing his power would be the worst thing she could do, since it would promptly nullify her own power, and then cease to exist without her powers to power it, resulting in her being left an ordinary human.
 

Aegis

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#19
nick012000 said:
As for Touma vs Rogue, I wouldn't be surprised if her successfully absorbing his power would be the worst thing she could do, since it would promptly nullify her own power, and then cease to exist without her powers to power it, resulting in her being left an ordinary human.
So multiplication by zero then? lol
 

Aegis

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#20
GenocideHeart said:
nick012000 said:
GenocideHeart said:
nick012000 said:
Not to mention Mr. "My arm makes your powers stop working; sucks to be you."
Too bad Touma needs to TOUCH people to make their powers stop working. Until then? He's just another very squishy guy who won't like it if, say, someone throws a car at him.

The whole point of why Accelerator's pebbles were dangerous to him is because they weren't anything mystical or fancy - just blocks of rock that were going really fast.
And yet he can block Misaka's hypersonic coins just fine.
That's because Misaka used her power to supercharge the coins to make them go fast - so Touma affected them BECAUSE they were actively channeling her power.

Accelerator did no such thing. He did the equivalent of letting go of a pebble after it picked up killer momentum - it was nothing fancy, as mentioned, just a piece of rock going at human-killing speed. Touma just plain CAN'T stop that, because there's nothing for his arm to work on, unlike in Misaka's case.
Or maybe it's more because the coin itself kinda melts away during the attack. XP
 

GenocideHeart

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#21
nick012000 said:
As for Touma vs Rogue, I wouldn't be surprised if her successfully absorbing his power would be the worst thing she could do, since it would promptly nullify her own power, and then cease to exist without her powers to power it, resulting in her being left an ordinary human.
Actually, Rogue's 'stolen' powers remain in the background even when her own power is nullified. Proof is that when her own power was removed by a nullifying field created by Nimrod, she could still fly and use Ms. Marvel's powers.

Basically, what she'd be left with is Touma's own power. And depending on how prolonged the contact is and/or which Rogue it is, it may be permanent.

That said, Rogue would kill to switch powers with Touma. A large part of her misery is BECAUSE she can't touch anyone without absorbing their powers.

(also, 'ordinary human' is debatable, since she is good enough at hand to hand fighting to outfight Gambit, who's one of the legitimate toughest fighters in the cast, even when she's depowered)

Of course, all this relies on Touma's power WORKING on her. Because, y'know... Rogue's stealing powers, due to them being genetic and naturally developed because she has a X-factor chromosome, may well, like ANY other mutant's power, be completely untouchable. Touma has shown the ability to specifically neuter powers of either a mystical or otherwise unnatural origin, but when someone's powers are part of their genetic code since birth? To them, that IS their natural state. So I don't really see Touma's power working on MUTANTS specifically, nor on aliens (unless they are genetically modded like Kl'rt the Super Skrull) or gods (because again, Asgardians are born with that power, and anyway, 'gods' in Marvel are just especially powerful extraplanar aliens).

Basically, the biggest problem is that Touma never tried using his power on 1) mutants whose power was hardcoded in their DNA since birth, and 2) aliens in the same condition as humans. It might work or it might be worthless, because the problem with those types is that their powers are, for their physiology, nothing unnatural at all.
 

nick012000

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#22
The mutants were created by meddling by a race of nigh-omnipotent beings, IIRC, so they're not any more natural than the psychic powers of the To Aru setting which were created by Crowley summoning an angel to do something similar.
 

GenocideHeart

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#23
nick012000 said:
The mutants were created by meddling by a race of nigh-omnipotent beings, IIRC, so they're not any more natural than the psychic powers of the To Aru setting which were created by Crowley summoning an angel to do something similar.
Actually, that's the Inhumans, Externals and Deviants. From the Deviants then came the Skrull and Kree.

Also, do note that baseline humans with no X-factor can give birth to mutants too. So there goes your interference belief right out the window - if humans with no powers can give birth to mutants, then those are simply natural mutations - much like how we humans developed opposable thumbs. If Touma's power blanket-worked on ANYTHING that evolved from a previous state, then everyone he touches would turn in an amoeba.

EDIT: furthermore there's a difference between an angel being summoned to grant supernatural powers to humans that previously had none, and someone tampering with their very genetic code so that future generations would develop specific powers. The original humans that were messed with may count, but all their descendants? If you want to fit Touma in Marvel, then you have to understand that based on that Celestial belief, EVERY HUMAN ON THE PLANET since 2 million years ago carries the mark of genetic tampering, so if Touma's power really did remove that tampering, he'd touch someone and that someone would turn in an Neanderthal, because the Celestials' tampering is what allowed Man to evolve to what it is today in that setting.

Without it, the Watcher more or less states they'd have remained hairy ape-men with just enough intellect to make rudimentary tools. Marvel Earth followed a different evolution that RL earth, and Word of God states the Celestials made Mankind possible in the first place. So, uh, Touma's power would affect him as well simply because he's a human post-Celestials interference.
 
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