merging Love Hina & Negima - different name

[chronodekar]

This is NOT a protest against the merger. But I'm making a thread to formalize the request.

To those who don't know, the "Love Hina" and "Mahou Sensei Negima" sections will be merged.

I've got no objections to it. The old places will be missed, but we'll be better organized as a result.

What I'm concerned about is the new name. The current suggestion by Wata is "Ken Akamatsu works".

Instead I want to change that to "Ken Akamatsu's Worlds (Love Hina/Negima + others)"

"Worlds" is a better name, IMO. And his 2 most famous works should be in the title.

Besides, I don't like the obvious FSN reference in the other name anyway. And I'm going to miss having a dedicated 'Love Hina' section.

-chronodekar

 

[Lord Raine]

This is NOT a protest against the merger. But I'm making a thread to formalize the request.

To those who don't know, the "Love Hina" and "Mahou Sensei Negima" sections will be merged.

I've got no objections to it. The old places will be missed, but we'll be better organized as a result.

What I'm concerned about is the new name. The current suggestion by Wata is "Ken Akamatsu works".

Instead I want to change that to "Ken Akamatsu's Worlds (Love Hina/Negima + others)"

"Worlds" is a better name, IMO. And his 2 most famous works should be in the title.

Besides, I don't like the obvious FSN reference in the other name anyway. And I'm going to miss having a dedicated 'Love Hina' section.

-chronodekar

If you're merging them, I'd recommend naming it the Akamatsuverse, because that's what most of the fandom calls it already. That way, it's not just Negima and Love Hina, but everything he's done, and everything he might put out later, because they all technically take place in the same universe anyway. So you'd get Negima and Love Hina, but you'd also have stuff like A.I. Love You and Ground Defense! Mao Chan included as well.

As for the merger, I would be for it, but only if all of the current threads and content can be retained and moved to the new area without being lost or damaged. If they can't be, then I'd rather keep things the way they are, because some of the stuff in there is rather old, and some of it doesn't exist anywhere else BUT here in this forum, and deleting or destroying it just for the sake of making the forum tidier is an incredible waste.

 

[chronodekar]

If you're merging them, I'd recommend naming it the Akamatsuverse, because that's what most of the fandom calls it already. That way, it's not just Negima and Love Hina, but everything he's done, and everything he might put out later, because they all technically take place in the same universe anyway. So you'd get Negima and Love Hina, but you'd also have stuff like A.I. Love You and Ground Defense! Mao Chan included as well.

As for the merger, I would be for it, but only if all of the current threads and content can be retained and moved to the new area without being lost or damaged. If they can't be, then I'd rather keep things the way they are, because some of the stuff in there is rather old, and some of it doesn't exist anywhere else BUT here in this forum, and deleting or destroying it just for the sake of making the forum tidier is an incredible waste.

Why didn't I think of this? Yes, Akamatsuverse is a more fitting name. A single catchy word that we all recognize. Can't believe I missed it earlier.

We've already renamed the Nasu section to 'Type-Moon' or something without problems, so I'm not worried about losing any thread subscriptions or even accidental deletion.

-chronodekar

 

[Watashiwa]

Oh for fuck's sake, I'm not putting parens in a title. If someone doesn't recognize Ken, they won't recognize Love Hina anyway.

As for Akamatsuverse, that'd put it alphabetically above the Anime/Manga general section, which I find distasteful for multiple reasons, and if I put it below I'd get a dozen PMs a week telling me I'd alphabetized it wrong.

 

[Shirotsume]

The Akamatsuverse? And Type-Moon could be renamed The Type-Moon Universe.

Just keep a consistent theme for names- actual names, or "The <Blank> Universe" or something.

 

[T.L]

Stolen from BYTM

Akamatsu's World

Hope the links don't break or PC will be pulling his hair out.

 

[ragnarok1337]

Considering I'm one of the members who proposed it, I obviously have no problems with this merger.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Stolen from BYTM

Akamatsu's World

Hope the links don't break or PC will be pulling his hair out.

That should not break the links unless it changes the thread codes... and though I've some 82+ direct links to this site... even if it did only 21 would be affected.

What is annoying, is I literally just finished 3 days ago swapping all 82+ of them from Invision to here.


On a different note... I have read and have all the Love Hina manga, and have seen and have all the anime, I have both the Negima anime series, and most of the specials, and read 30 chapters of the manga before quitting due to font issues (yes, font issues)... In all that, I never really associate the Love Hina with the Negima, nor the reverse, nor do I instinctively think of Ken at all... I know what the Akamatsuverse is as I go to BYTM, but that is not instinctual at all either to me. Yes, I know they are all connected, but by default mentally to me they are separate entities...

I do not care if they are combined, I do not even overly care on the finalized name... I do care people seem to be assuming all readers/watchers make the same associations by default...


And on a final note, I hope whomever is doing this consistently makes the same change to the restricted section.

EDIT: Actually 82+ is deceptive, to this forum there is really 90 links total.
- 82 story links converted
- 4 links to specialty discussion threads converted
- 2 story links were originally here
- 1 link to main page originally here
- 1 direct link to setting forum to all read originally here

Of that, 21 are to Love Hina section, none to Negima section

 

[Watashiwa]

And on a final note, I hope whomever is doing this consistently makes the same change to the restricted section.

Hadn't even thought about it until you mentioned it but yes, the same process will be done there. Can you think of anything similar I might have missed?

EDIT: You're fine then. The Love Hina section will be staying, the Negima! stuff is just being migrated over.

 

[Lord Raine]

Oh for fuck's sake, I'm not putting parens in a title. If someone doesn't recognize Ken, they won't recognize Love Hina anyway.

As for Akamatsuverse, that'd put it alphabetically above the Anime/Manga general section, which I find distasteful for multiple reasons, and if I put it below I'd get a dozen PMs a week telling me I'd alphabetized it wrong.

I can understand that, I suppose, but you're Admin. Can't you just pin it up there or something?

If it comes to that, though, I suppose you could go with "The Akamatsuverse," instead of "Akamatsuverse." That would put it down lower than it is now, but Anime/Manga would still be on top.

We've already renamed the Nasu section to 'Type-Moon' or something without problems, so I'm not worried about losing any thread subscriptions or even accidental deletion.

Yes, you did, but that was just a rename, not a merger. If merging the two causes content to get deleted, the I'd be absolutely against it, and would rather have them seperated.

Unless someone can confirm that nothing would be lost, I'd be hesitant to do so.

Hey, Wata. You're admin, right? Can you make two new subforums real quick for a test, put threads in them, and then merge them? We don't need to keep it, obviously, but I'd like to know for certain if merging would actually retain all of the associated content before we go ahead and do it.

I'd rather waste a bit of time with a test, than lose some things that we might not ever be able to get back.

 

[PCHeintz72]

And on a final note, I hope whomever is doing this consistently makes the same change to the restricted section.

Hadn't even thought about it until you mentioned it but yes, the same process will be done there. Can you think of anything similar I might have missed?

Well... Restricted section currently has a lot of stuff filed in the 'Other' that might belong to what are separated out fandoms in the main area... What of pulling say the Type Moon stuff out of 'Other' and into its own Restricted area... Maybe Games and Sailor Moon as well... uncertain if any of the other stuff in that 'Other' is big enough to be split out.

 

[Lord Raine]

In all that, I never really associate the Love Hina with the Negima, nor the reverse, nor do I instinctively think of Ken at all... I know what the Akamatsuverse is as I go to BYTM, but that is not instinctual at all either to me. Yes, I know they are all connected, but by default mentally to me they are separate entities...

I always associated the two, but that's because Asuna is a visual copy of Naru, her personality is essentially Naru but less bitchy and more likable, and the Negimaverse background is filled with all sorts of easter egg references to Love Hina and the rest of Akamatu's works. There's a scene where we see some cameos from A.I. Love You when the school's science division does things, Tama-chan cameos both in-person and in images (like on mugs and aprons) constantly, and there are at least three instances where we see someone in the background who looks a whole hell of a lot like Seta, though admittedly it's always a side or back view that doesn't give us a clear shot of him.

I constantly thought of Love Hina just from Asuna alone. I don't know about you, but it would be like having a teen with a butcher knife sword that sees dead people, or a loudmouth ninja that wears orange and copies himself. You just immediately think of someone else. It's a pretty obvious connection to me.

 

[PCHeintz72]

In all that, I never really associate the Love Hina with the Negima, nor the reverse, nor do I instinctively think of Ken at all... I know what the Akamatsuverse is as I go to BYTM, but that is not instinctual at all either to me. Yes, I know they are all connected, but by default mentally to me they are separate entities...

I always associated the two, but that's because Asuna is a visual copy of Naru, her personality is essentially Naru but less bitchy and more likable, and the Negimaverse background is filled with all sorts of easter egg references to Love Hina and the rest of Akamatu's works. There's a scene where we see some cameos from A.I. Love You when the school's science division does things, Tama-chan cameos both in-person and in images (like on mugs and aprons) constantly, and there are at least three instances where we see someone in the background who looks a whole hell of a lot like Seta, though admittedly it's always a side or back view that doesn't give us a clear shot of him.

I constantly thought of Love Hina just from Asuna alone. I don't know about you, but it would be like having a teen with a butcher knife sword that sees dead people, or a loudmouth ninja that wears orange and copies himself. You just immediately think of someone else. It's a pretty obvious connection to me.

I have the A.I. Love You manga, quite liked it.

But as for associating it, like I said, I *know* they are all connected and what they all are and whom he is, but it is not instinctual or natural at all for me to think of them that way. Every time I do go to BYTM, and look for a Love Hina story, I have to constantly remind myself, there is not a Love Hina category, it is a Akamatsuverse category.

I think it has to do with just how I handle multiple universes within a series in multiple medias... they are completely separate entities in my head, like different file folders or drawers, there is no direct connection even if there are crossover elements. Like Haruka / Keitaro being aunt/nephew in manga and anime, but cousins in the visual novels.

I do not care what it is named, I merely was pointing out it is not really good to assume all readers will instantly make the connection.

 

[Lord Raine]

I get that, but honestly, I can't separate them just because Asuna and Naru look like identical twin sisters, and Asuna literally is Naru if Naru was less of a bitch and more of a normal person.

 

[PCHeintz72]

I get that, but honestly, I can't separate them just because Asuna and Naru look like identical twin sisters, and Asuna literally is Naru if Naru was less of a bitch and more of a normal person.

Raine... I can see why you state that, but I do not see it... I look at them and I come away with: Asuna is only 2/3 the age, hair and eyes different, Asuna way more responsible, and Asuna much nicer.

They do share the traits that they are afraid to tell their feelings, and both went for older men that were teachers.

To me the connection that sticks is Setsuna and her style.

 

[T.L]

If that's the case then how about "Love Hina/Negima" to remove confusion.

 

[chronodekar]

How about calling it,

"Ken Akamatsu's Creations" ?

My real ire is that there shouldn't be ANY Nasuverse references in the name. There's already one well-know Love Hina/FSN crossover by Neoalfa, that I hate with a passion. I don't want to be reminded of it every time I go into the section.

-chronodekar

 

[T.L]

Even though most fans know who Ken is, some people don't know or care.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

"The Akamatsuverse" is by far the simplest title that will catch most of the readers of said series and keep it from being placed above the Anime and manga section. All the extraneous stuff is really just overcomplicating the core naming conventions and plain feels off really for the particular purposes of this merger.

If absolutely necessary, the particularly notable series (Love Hina and Negima most likely) could be mentioned in the description as opposed to reiterating that the section is for "Akamatsuverse Fanfiction" instead. Which would be the natural catch all and keep those rather unfamiliar with the fan term from getting completely lost and make the subsequent description actually useful for once.

That could also potentially help the Type Moon section as well if a similar methodology is taken just to make it absolutely clear what's involved for the more ignorant. Would save annoyances if some newer members come in and start requesting sections for say Fate/Stay Night with no idea that it's already covered.

 

[Watashiwa]

Oh god people read the fucking announcements, they're in 2/3rds of the subforums now. NOTHING IS BEING DELETED, ONLY MOVED. This applies to all the upcoming transfers as well.

chrono: The Akamatsu Works thing is in no way a Nasuverse reference. "Works" is another term for "creations".

 

[Vexarian]

Oh for fuck's sake, I'm not putting parens in a title. If someone doesn't recognize Ken, they won't recognize Love Hina anyway.

As for Akamatsuverse, that'd put it alphabetically above the Anime/Manga general section, which I find distasteful for multiple reasons, and if I put it below I'd get a dozen PMs a week telling me I'd alphabetized it wrong.

Solution:

General Boards -
Anime/Manga Fanfiction
Books Fanfiction
Cartoons Fanfiction
Comics Fanfiction
Live Action Fanfiction

Specific Boards -
Akamatsuverse Fanfiction
Type-Moon Fanfiction
Naruto Fanfiction
Whatever Fanfiction

 

[Lord Raine]

Call it "The Akamatsuverse," and the description should be something along the lines of "Love Hina, Negima, and other Ken Akamatsu works."

I'm the same as Omega. Akamatsuverse is almost universally known by the fandom, and it's the simplest way to convey it without using extra words and hyphens and other extraneous and unnecessary things. It's also sufficiently broad that it might actually lend the forum some traffic, whereas a mere "Negima/Love Hina" subforum would be limited to just those two verses. Akamatsu has finished with Love Hina and Negima, but he's supposedly considering doing more things. "The Akamatsuverse" would cover those as well, and negate the need to create a new forum or change the title again.

It's simple, it's effective, it covers everything past and potential future, and it eliminates the need to change it any further.

 

[Vexarian]

I dislike using the word "The", unless it's actually part of the title for a work. Just because it sounds awkward to tack "Fanfiction" at the end of it.

 

[Lord Raine]

I dislike using the word "The", unless it's actually part of the title for a work. Just because it sounds awkward to tack "Fanfiction" at the end of it.

I'm not a fan of it either, but I also agree with Wata that it would be annoying to not have Anime/Manga at the very top of the list.

The only way to avoid it and go with pure "Akamatsuverse" would be if we moved multi-settings like Type-Moon and Akamatsuverse to their own category, "Settings" or something like that.

So you would just remove Type-Moon and Akamatsuverse entirely from the list of "Fanfiction," and put them under their own section like Talk and Official Business.

In fact, if we did that, we could fit a fair few other things in there as well, like Jump, DCverse, Marvelverse, and the Toriyamaverse. Type-Moon and the works of Ken Akamatsu are hardly the only implicit multiverses of fiction.

 

[Vexarian]

I still rather like my proposal of having specific series and authors under one header, and having general categories like "Anime, Comics, BLUH" under another header.