Miscellaneous ideas topic.

[GenocideHeart]

I was just reading a Rosario + Vampire story when I started thinking about SoulGriever13's No Reason story and I thought I would suggest a story wear Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne's Demi-fiend went to Yokai Academy.

Didn't see this before, but want to point out that I doubt it'd work well, given the extremely grimdark feel of Nocturne. Besides, in the novelization it's heavily implied that Naoki, even as a human is unusual and potentially attracts powerful supernatural beings just BEING there... not necessarily friendly ones. ESPECIALLY unfriendly ones. And the type who thinks nothing of mass slaughter too.

And if you use him as the Demifiend, the story would be over in one chapter, because the Demifiend is retardedly powerful. Even at level 1 it can take on powerful mythological beasts, at level 5 it can kill a fallen angel (Forneus) by itself if needed, and by endgame, it has Masakados, which makes it untouchable to practically everything under the Sun. Not to mention it has technically enough power to kill God.

Even assuming this is postgame after it chooses Yuuko Takao's neutral ending to restore the old world, the novelization outright states that it still has its nakama with it, summonable at will, even though its magatama are now dormant. I dunno about you, but between the punk who attacked Tsukune in volume 1 and a pissed off Girimekhala/Cu Chulainn/Parvati/Titania/Ubered Pixie/Arahabaki called by the 'new kid in academy' out of nowhere, I'd say the pissed off massively overleveled nakama wins...

 

[toraneko]

And now I need to find a copy of Nocturne, just to see if I'm right in my theory that pretty much all of the incarnations of "God" we see in the SMT series are pretty much just malfunctioned aspects of a greater deity.

 

[GenocideHeart]

You never see YHVH in person in Nocturne, but judging by how is followers (the Angels) align themselves with the Yosuga's MIGHT MAKES RIGHT belief, it seems he's still quite an asshole.

And Kagutsuchi, God's chief servant in the Vortex world, can be a giant asshole himself.

That's not to say Lucifer is a good guy. But overall, he tends to be less assholish than God.

 

[GenocideHeart]

How about this for an idea? Nanoha finds out her mommy isn't who she thought she was all this time.

In fact, she used to be someone important in the past. The very, very distant past.

She used to be known as the Beauty Tyrant Queen, Etna...

(yes, this idea was inspired by Laharl's cameo in Disgaea 3 where he pretends to be Mao's dad and Flonne and Etna bicker over who the mommy is...)

 

[Shaderic]

...
That's disturbing on multiple levels...
And yet, I'm drawn to it.
Incidentaly, this means Nanhoha's dad must have been been really quite something if Etna married him and mellowed out that much. And proceeded past the loli phase of her life.

And, suddenly, 'White Devil' is that much more accurate.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Well, it explains why Nanoha's definition of befriending involves beating the shit out of her enemies. 'Persuade by Force', anyone?

 

[toraneko]

And it would explain why Momoko's the one at Midoriya in charge of the sweets. Etna has a hell of a sweet tooth. In fact, the whole snit between her and Laharl in Disgaea 2 was because Laharl was an insensitive prick and stole her pudding. Earlier, they had had an argument because Laharl won a huge sum of money, and Etna spent it on sweets.

Could be Etna's doing some alternative to Prinny-hood in order to burn off a few Felonies. Spending time as a "weak human" might sound better to her than being stuck as one of the Prinnies she's used to bullying.
Also, Nanoha's dad is more of a badass than he seems at first glance. :sisi:

 

[Shaderic]

I know that the Dad is a tough guy. But tough enough to be attractive to Etna?

Although, what you say makes sense. Still, you have to wonder... does Nanoha still have room to grow? Demons in Disgaea can be freakishly powerful, but I'm honestly not sure where Nanoha fits on that scale... Not Overlord level, obviously, but perhaps in the Demon Lord category?

Then, you have to wonder at something else... What does the TSAB know about Netherworlds? Also, expanding abit, because I'm only slightly familiar with Nanoha (seen the first couple of episodes, know the 'befriend' meme, beamspam, magic-tech) so, are alternate worlds, like what's suggested in Disgaea, canon for them? Also, you have to admit, there's quite a large difference between mother and daughter. Etna favored skimpy black S&M, whilst Nanoha wears much more conservative things that tend to be white. But, they both have pink beams (Sexy Beam, although embarassing to watch, and not something I bothered using much, is basicaly pink beam spam.)

 

[GenocideHeart]

Although, what you say makes sense. Still, you have to wonder... does Nanoha still have room to grow? Demons in Disgaea can be freakishly powerful, but I'm honestly not sure where Nanoha fits on that scale... Not Overlord level, obviously, but perhaps in the Demon Lord category?

All things considered, Nanoha is pretty weak in Disgaea terms, but still has room for some decent improvement. I doubt she'll be able to even achieve low-Overlord levels, but she should at the very least make for one hell of a vassal that any Overlord would have their eyes on, waiting for a chance to sway her to their side.

Then, you have to wonder at something else... What does the TSAB know about Netherworlds? Also, expanding abit, because I'm only slightly familiar with Nanoha (seen the first couple of episodes, know the 'befriend' meme, beamspam, magic-tech) so, are alternate worlds, like what's suggested in Disgaea, canon for them?

I'd say they only know as much as the Netherworlds LET them know. Either that, or they know everything, and wisely keep their traps shut because if they revealed the existence of Netherworlds, some Darwin Award-worthy militaristic prick would have the brilliant idea of launching an invasion and getting the human race's collective asses killed.

Any reference to events that really happened in Disgaea 1 are purely NOT coincidental. :snigger:

Also, you have to admit, there's quite a large difference between mother and daughter. Etna favored skimpy black S&M, whilst Nanoha wears much more conservative things that tend to be white. But, they both have pink beams (Sexy Beam, although embarassing to watch, and not something I bothered using much, is basicaly pink beam spam.)

Yeah, well, there's also a noticeable difference between Overlord Zenon and Rozalin. And between Mao pre-ending of Disgaea 3 and his father.

All that means from a Netherworlder's point of view is that the little lady still has room for learning how to be properly demonic. She's already well on her way to being a fine demon, what with her idea of friendship involving hurling massive beams of energy at the hapless 'befriended'... :rofl:

 

[trevelyan1983]

On the subject of Takamachi Shiro being too nice for Etna to be interested?

Krichevskoy. That is all.

 

[nick012000]

Nanoha's also a lesbian. I doubt Disgaea follows the Judeochristian ideals in any way other than parody, but I doubt that it wouldn't be poked fun at there.

It'd probably take a lot to get her to shift now, though; she's got a lesbian lover and an adopted child, and she's got responabilities to them. God help any Demon dumb enough to threaten either of them, though.

 

[GenocideHeart]

On the subject of Takamachi Shiro being too nice for Etna to be interested?

Krichevskoy. That is all.

Yeah, the fact she outright admits she had a crush on Krichevskoy, aside from admiring him...

It's ironic that Etna, for all that she's a conniving cheater, likes nice men.

Also, Trev, get on AIM. h43r:

 

[trevelyan1983]

Nanoha's also a lesbian. I doubt Disgaea follows the Judeochristian ideals in any way other than parody, but I doubt that it wouldn't be poked fun at there.

It'd probably take a lot to get her to shift now, though; she's got a lesbian lover and an adopted child, and she's got responabilities to them. God help any Demon dumb enough to threaten either of them, though.

I can't quite tell if you're talking about shifting sexual orientation, or shifting homes to live in the netherworld. Whichever it is, I think you've misinterpreted something.

Nanoha at full power would give anything less than an Overlord a very, very hard time. She's not on par with their level of casual planet-busting, but she's probably on par with Etna or Flonne. A's or MGLN Nanoha is a bit less powerful than that, mainly because of youth and a less tuned up Raising Heart, as well as less tactical training and experience.

StrikerS Nanoha, on the other hand . . . h43r:

<s>That said, Nanoha's barrier jacket and wing motif remind me more of Flonne than Etna.</s>

 

[nick012000]

No, I'm simply saying she seems quite happy with her position at TSAB, and her life on Midchilda. She's not going to drop all of that to go Adventuring on a whim. A threat to the lives or safety of her child or lover would probably do the trick, though. Just look at what she did in the last couple episodes of StrikerS.

 

[GenocideHeart]

The scary thing is that Nanoha-level destruction is perfectly attainable by people who aren't even technically Overlords. Omega level spells are more than a match for anything that's not the Book of Darkness.

And Omega level spells aren't even close to being the most powerful attacks in NIS's universe. Anyone who's gotten killed by a basic Prinny Bomb from Baal, a Pringer Beam from Pringer X or even Zetta's ZETTA BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMU knows what I mean.

...Zetta himself defines how stupidly overpowered NIS games tend to be. He's a frigging BOOK, for god's sake. And yet he pulls shockingly huge laser beams out of nowhere and generally fries stuff...

 

[trevelyan1983]

No, I'm simply saying she seems quite happy with her position at TSAB, and her life on Midchilda. She's not going to drop all of that to go Adventuring on a whim. A threat to the lives or safety of her child or lover would probably do the trick, though. Just look at what she did in the last couple episodes of StrikerS.

Yes, thank you for actually stating what you meant. That was a lot clearer than before.

I was wondering . . . how would Nanoha characters look in an NIS build?

Intelligent Devices and Armed Devices are obviously one of a kind weapons, so they'd be pretty powerful. Same goes for Barrier jackets. Physical and Magical soaking, high defensive properties, elemental resistance.

Cartridges as a magic buff item, restores MP at the same time? How would you handle Mode Change? I'd make it work like Magichange in D3, but with less penalty and the ability to swap modes at the start of a round.

Then there's the special attacks.

Takamachi Nanoha.
White Devil

Equipment
Raising Heart
Cartridge System
Barrier Jacket
Fin Flier

Special Techniques
Accel Shooter
Divine Buster
Starlight Breaker

 

[toraneko]

I feel this image is relevant to the discussion at hand:

:snigger:

Nanoha having a child, yes. No doubt at all. She can, will, and DID go apeshit if anyone threatens Vivio's safety.
Lesbian lover? That's debatable, but unlikely. Nanoha's married to her job, and hardly ever sees Fate or Hayate, even in the aftermath of the JS Incident. Everyone is in the Friend Zone with her.

Re: the Invasion of the Netherworld in Disgaea 1, keep in mind that Vulcanus hoodwinked ol' Baldy into thinking the Netherworld was going to invade Earth, and that a preemptive attack would be the best plan of action. Hey, he's an angel, and they're all on the level, right? Right?
Umm, no. But you can see why he might think that way. Still, he was an idiot to follow so blindly.

Also, speaking of which, that Netherworld Invasion - and thus the events of Disgaea 1 - took place in Earth year 3000+ AD, didn't it? That kinda puts a monkeywrench in the works for matching the timeline with Nanoha's, which takes place in the 2000s.
What's our plot device for getting Etna back in time to give birth to Nanoha?

edit: Thought about something - Nanohaverse spells level up, too. The Starlight Breaker Nanoha uses in the first series would be the 'base' spell, the EX version she develops between the first season and A's would be the "Mega" version. We probably haven't seen a Giga or Tera version of it, let alone an Omega, but the possibilities are kinda scary.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Yeah, but I highly doubt Nanoha could get even in the general vicinity of Marjoly as far as spells are concerned, and Marjoly, for all her power, is just a human.

Don't get me wrong, she has room for improvement. It's just that I don't think she can improve to the point of being any more than a valued vassal of any Overlord worth their salt.

Then again, both Salome and Super Hero Aurum managed it, as did Prier. But in Prier's case, she had the potential to be an avatar of the Goddess Poitreene, and on top of that she killed so many demons and remained in the Dark World so long at times, it ended up corrupting her. And in Aurum and Salome's case, they were driven by pure obsession - Salome's was her unconditional love for Zetta, and Aurum's was his desire to fight an Overlord tailor-made for him.

And no, Revya and Gig don't count. Gig is the practical incarnation of Death in the world of Haephnes, and Revya is a World Eater, despite looking harmless. Both are so far out of human norm it ain't funny.

 

[ZeroForever]

as noted while a straight up power level comparision between nanoha and the N1 (nippon ichi) universes is probably a fool hardy attempt simple due to the unlimited broken factor that the N1 character standard levels are, not even getting into the status and junk of power leveling them, there's a reason why the damage in D3 is measured in the billions for the extra stuff game.


But it could be fun if some things were relative.

To note the Disgaea/Nanoha idea actually could work out pretty well as Etna is over 3000 years old in D1 (forgot the exact age but it's mentioned). She could have easily had nanoha before she lost her memory and became vassaled to Kirochesky. (though that's not even getting into the fact that there are just as many 'earth' type worlds as there are nether-worlds in the N1 universe, so the one that invaded in N1 doesn't have to be the same one as canon nanoha's earth.

Either way it would make more sense to me if nanoha was a descendant of Etna rather then direct child.

 

[toraneko]

Etna is over 3000 years old in D1

Between 1300 and 1400, actually, but a valid point nonetheless.
edit: Correction - the official databook (I bought an original Japanese copy) lists her exact age as 1470 years.

@GH: True. In fact, it's stated outright that after the near-fatal incident between A's and StrikerS that Nanoha had (due to overexertion of magic, which is damaging to the body in that high a concentration), she actually lost some of her maximum power, permanently.

On the other hand, if she's Etna's kid (or descendant), then she's part demon, which might make her eligible for Transmigration. And then the fun begins. :snigger:

 

[al103]

On the subject of Takamachi Shiro being too nice for Etna to be interested?

Krichevskoy.? That is all.

You don't mean by that... that Mid-Boss got killed and reincarnated... again?

 

[GenocideHeart]

Transmigration makes EVERYTHING more broken, regardless of personal power, simply due to how it works. I could easily make a Prinny that can pwn Overlords, given enough transmigrations. It makes personal power rather worthless in the long run.

 

[toraneko]

Maybe so, but seriously - do you know of any Overlord who wouldn't Transmigrate Nanoha when he finds out she has a power cap that (relatively) low?

 

[GenocideHeart]

Maybe so, but seriously - do you know of any Overlord who wouldn't Transmigrate Nanoha when he finds out she has a power cap that (relatively) low?

Yeah. Nearly all of them, in fact. Remember, most Overlords fall in two categories - stupidly powerful or (mostly) paranoid bastards. And the latter would never want a vassal capable of even remotely threatening them.

 

[trevelyan1983]

Transmigration makes EVERYTHING more broken, regardless of personal power, simply due to how it works. I could easily make a Prinny that can pwn Overlords, given enough transmigrations. It makes personal power rather worthless in the long run.

This only really counts for in-game stats, as far as I can see.

For a more realistic fictional take on it, I suppose you could say it's a H4X that manages to put an experienced and wise mind into a young and powerful body, thereby getting the best of both worlds . . . but it's not game-breaking outside of a game, y'know?