Need it out of my system !!!!!!

Moshulel · May 19, 2006

Well i recently had one very interesting thought .... how in the name of hell are 85% of the yaoi fics connected to the universe of the fics they're supposedly placed in ?
1. Characters are always OOC
2. They have an ordinary life.
3. Action takes place in a school
Basiclly all they do is take the names from the manga/anime and then aplly them to the known template.
As for yuri ... well i really shouldn't say this ( double standards and all ) but i'm a healthy guy how the heck am i supposed to resist that ? BUT only if they're well writen, and only once in a while.

H-Man · May 19, 2006

You could be like me - I'm a guy and I don't like Yuri. (Well, I like it more than Yaoi, but it's still pretty low.)

Still, don't feel so bad: it's only hormones.

Lord Raa · May 20, 2006

Moshulel said:

Hmm, if people are doing this, does that mean that there's a lot of GBS* going on in U.S. high schools for them to draw experience from?

Because if it is, then popular culture has mislead me for the last 20-odd years.

I personally don't care for yaoi/yuri fics, but that's personal taste. That said, if we're talking smut, then I'm always up for a bit of the old HLS**.

But then, what do I know about fanfiction: I've only been writing for three years and I've never written a yaoi or yuri fic. Yes, there's been male/female/female action in my lemons, but that's not the same thing.

*GBS - Gay Bum Sex
** HLS - Hot Lesbian Sex

GenocideHeart · May 21, 2006

Sadly, it has gotten to the point that if ANY series has more than one male in it, so long as they're not totally hideous, the fangirls will find a way for them to go OMG YAOI KISSU!.

It's a sad state of affairs.

SimmyC · May 21, 2006

Exactly. Yaoi fangirls go to any fandom, and just ruin it. And for what reason? Because they like the idea of guys taking it in the ass? <_<

Moshulel · May 21, 2006

That my friends shows a very sad state of the youth in our days. Wanna bet that most yaoi writers are under 16 ? Anyway i have yet to see a normal pairing in Kyou Kara Maou fics ( my girl friend likes to watch the series and i got it from her, quite good even if after a point some stuff grates your nerves ), If yaoi rabid fangirls want fics like that then they should limit them to this kind of anime/manga AND only if they're great writers to try something else.
Oh btw a recommandation for manga readers : Haru Yo Koi

Fatuous One · May 21, 2006

True, although it's more like 80% that sucks in general. I'd also like to say that 50% of fanfiction might actually be good IF they actually did any effort into the work. Betas, for one thing, would most definitely cut more then half of the awful grammar most of them contain.

Oh, and remember that 90% of statistics are made up on the spot... this is no exception.

I think you're making a big assumption here... These people are fangirl/boys, they don't NEED experience, they already KNOW what it's all about!

:lol:

Moshulel · May 21, 2006

Fatuous One said:

Ahh, you're right here: THE POWER OF THE FANGIRLS/BOYS which allows them to trully understand something without knowing to much about it, yes indeed. Although you have to ask yourself, where the heck are the normal teenagers that want a Normal partner? I'm actually questioning myself if fangirls are like this in reality too:
"OMFG Jack is so ghey, he helped his team mate to get hof tha floor"
In which Jack has a steady relationship with his girlfriend for the last 3 months. Eh...

Fatuous One · May 21, 2006

Actually, I'm all for people writing about things they have absolutely no idea about. (What, you think people have actually fought a 20ft giant monster before?) They're 'authors', they SHOULD make this crap up. It's just that they do it so... horribly. That's what gets to me. If you're going to make this shit up, at least make it somewhat LIKELY, or POSSIBLE.

Interesting fact: Many girls that like yaoi... don't like anal sex, or are at least completely uninterested/revolted about the idea of trying it themselves.

Moshulel · May 21, 2006

So am i , i like new stuff but as you said there has to be credibility, here's an example : Gaara meets Lee before the exam /slash does this make any sense to you ?

Well :sweat: :sweat: :sweat: that was what i was trying to refer to in a subtle way, they write about this BUT do they like it ? Che fangirls...... !

Fatuous One · May 21, 2006

Depending on how it was written... Yes.

Thing is, all these people need to do is approach this stuff in a believable manner, and they'd be a lot more credible. The premise sucks, but if they did it right, it would still be believable. Hell, if they had the talent of say... Lord Raa, or Hawk, I'd say that it'd probably make out into an awesome story. I don't mind yaoi/yuri, but it's just that almost all of the stories that use it suck worse then a piranha.

As an example, let's take that premise you made and try to make a semi-believable scenario. Why not make it that they get into a fight before the exams, and Gaara takes it serious, which in turn makes Lee take it seriously.

However, before their fight gets too far, people actually come around and interrupt them and the fight gets broken off. But, Gaara being Gaara will try to kill Lee when he has time later. Skip several scenes later, and you have Gaara hounding Lee, and Lee just barely making it out of those encounters alive, but still sprouting out stuff about "the flames of youth" and such drabble. Gaara, after repeated failures, starts to get curious about HOW the stupid boy is living through his attempts on his life and just straight out asks him. Lee, of course, replies (again) about youth, love and justice... or something. Gaara takes this seriously and then attempts to beat Lee at his own game. Love... or in Gaara's mind: sex.

There you have your premise with slash. There are a few kinks in it already, (timing, why Leaf nins wouldn't make Gaara stay away through threats to the sand and not to mention Lee actually being WILLING in that bit [although it would probably appeal to people in being unwilling...

]) but it's still a semi-believable scenario (at least, in my opinion

).

^_^ One thing about this forum that I like is I can be as blunt as I like. Yay for crudeness! :lol:

Moshulel · May 21, 2006

Depending on how it was written... Yes.

Thing is, all these people need to do is approach this stuff in a believable manner, and they'd be a lot more credible. The premise sucks, but if they did it right, it would still be believable. Hell, if they had the talent of say... Lord Raa, or Hawk, I'd say that it'd probably make out into an awesome story. I don't mind yaoi/yuri, but it's just that almost all of the stories that use it suck worse then a piranha.

As an example, let's take that premise you made and try to make a semi-believable scenario. Why not make it that they get into a fight before the exams, and Gaara takes it serious, which in turn makes Lee take it seriously.

However, before their fight gets too far, people actually come around and interrupt them and the fight gets broken off. But, Gaara being Gaara will try to kill Lee when he has time later. Skip several scenes later, and you have Gaara hounding Lee, and Lee just barely making it out of those encounters alive, but still sprouting out stuff about "the flames of youth" and such drabble. Gaara, after repeated failures, starts to get curious about HOW the stupid boy is living through his attempts on his life and just straight out asks him. Lee, of course, replies (again) about youth, love and justice... or something. Gaara takes this seriously and then attempts to beat Lee at his own game. Love... or in Gaara's mind: sex.

There you have your premise with slash. There are a few kinks in it already, (timing, why Leaf nins wouldn't make Gaara stay away through threats to the sand and not to mention Lee actually being WILLING in that bit [although it would probably appeal to people in being unwilling...

]) but it's still a semi-believable scenario (at least, in my opinion

).

Unfortunatly you will find no such luck on ff.net. I have to admit your scenario is quite good compared to almost all yaoi stories out there ( actually compared to 99.999% of the stories) especially if the tone would be a little light ( as in funny as it gets ).

Freedom of speech lol

SimmyC · May 21, 2006

I completely agree with the above. Considering that the average age of these fangirls/boys are like, 15 or 16, it's no wonder that many of them stink. Just a bit more maturity and well, education on grammar and so forth could go a long way to improving the average story. And like Fatuous One said, a lot of the stories do have good ideas. It's the execution that sucks monkey balls.

Of course, bad premise in the first place... <_< On one hand, Sasuke and Naruto being ghey would not be the bane of all existence if they are done in a belieable fashion. Problem here? 99% percent of the writers FAIL in this arena. Now granted, a ghey Naruto is hard to believe no matter how you think of it (Sasuke... um, that is up in the air.

), but I'm willing to give the writer credit IF he can somehow write a belieable story, with belieable scenarios, and believable emotions to go along with them. But since 99% fail in this endeavor, well, no reason for me to look for them.

And yes, I'm arbitrarily pulling numbers out of my ass. After all, like Fatuous One said, 90% of people do it. :snigger:

As for writing what you know? Obviously there are limits to this notion. After all, do you really think Star Trek writers knew what they were writing? Like warp speed and phasers? That being said, going back to the idea of executing a story idea, the minimum requirement to story telling is to make it belieable, like if objects react the way they do and so forth (and of course, I already mentioned the emotional aspect of things). Reading... well, attempting to read some of those fics, it's obvious that they DON'T even accomplish that.

H-Man · May 21, 2006

...Moshulel, did you mean Kyou Kara Mamoru?

Anyway, I've been trying (a tad unsuccesfully) to not get ultra-mad at seeing stupid yaoi ships, since I've gotta give the readers an image of someone who isn't very easy to irritate... but when you see some stupid things (like, possibly, Kakashi/Male!Kyuubi), it's hard to not want to puke, gouge eyes, and eat off your head all at once.

Speaking of which... I just found one of the STUPIDEST posts ever about this situation.

MarcmenX said:

Toraphi said:

Okay, now... I don't know if heterophobia exists, but if it does, this sorta feels like a good example.

Let's think about it: if there's one thing both slashers (of both genres) and 'hetwriters' tend to do, is break the hetero canon couples (except for the rabid canonshippers, and even so, slashers will pretty much break them everytime).

Therefore, WHY shouldn't WE be allowed to do the same? (It's not like we WILL do, but it's the capacity that matters.) We get our favorite stuff shafted by them - is it wrong to be able to do the same?

I was just angry at that person, so that's why it's so harsh.

Moshulel · May 21, 2006

Kyou Kara Maou here's a link.

Exactly, it makes you wonder how in the name of hell did they thought at that ? And don't forget what started this post.

Wanna bet that if you break a yaoi pairing fangirls will be after your head? Hell i'm aftaid of even thinking odf the 1000 flames in the reviews. In fact this might be quite a challenge.

H-Man · May 21, 2006

Actually, they're already after my head because of the fact that I'm not really portrayed as the most tolerant member there... (Then again, when people defend badships ruthlessly and in manners that disgust you, it's hard to be tolerant.)

Oh well. I didn't ask to be accepted or anything, although I do know I don't like being treated like the fool when I'm not - but what can I do about that?

Moshulel · May 22, 2006

It's a known fact that people whit brain are outnumberd out there, atleast we have a sanctuary here.(The moment i see yaoi here i'm shooting myself).

Israfel · May 22, 2006

No, the moment yoai is seen here we rise up and come down upon them like a tidal wave crushing any fothold the yaoi legions hoped to gain here immediately. THAT is how you deal with a yaoi infestation. :flameon:

GenocideHeart · May 22, 2006

Israfel said:

I disagree. If the yaoi is actually believable and well-written, I'm all for letting it stay.

Of course, if it is fangirl trash churned out just for the sake of Y HELO THAR BUTTSECKZ, then I'll bring out the pitchforks.

Moshulel · May 22, 2006

:flameon: :lonegunman: :flameon: :lonegunman: :flameon: :lonegunman:

At least i think all present agree on this one, the moment we see yaoi here ( exception being extremelly well written one) we will rise to weapons.

Israfel · May 22, 2006

Exactly, that was pretty much the point I was going for.

H-Man · May 22, 2006

Shonen-ai counting too? (It's yaoi without sex.)

Moshulel · May 22, 2006

H-Man said:

Quating a famous economy professor: It depends !!!
Shonen-ai is vastly overestimated, in my opinion most of those mangas if continued will have normal pairings. ( Right now i'm thinking about a Yuri/Cherry pairing from Kyou Kara Maoh ( Male/Female))

Hawk · May 22, 2006

> Wanna bet that if you break a yaoi pairing fangirls will be after your head?
> Hell i'm aftaid of even thinking odf the 1000 flames in the reviews. In fact
> this might be quite a challenge.

Heh, one of my fics that's on the back burner at the moment, is a Will & Grace fic that does just that.

Well, that and turn a previously straight character homosexual, so I guess it balances out in the end.

But if I ever do get around to finishing it and uploading it, I'll make sure to wear my flame-proof suit that day!

Dark Knight Gafgar · May 23, 2006

Moshulel said:

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Need it out of my system !!!!!!

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