Naruto New Divergence Points

Altered Nova

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I don't think the Uchiha were stupid enough to not realize that a civil war would be practically begging their enemies to invade, so they probably never planned to take control through direct military action. They were more likely planning to control people with blackmail and genjutsu, assassinate those who could not be coerced and make it look like the actions of foreign agents or natural causes, and slowly place their own people into positions of power in a plausibly deniable way. If everything had gone according to plan then most of Konoha would never even realize there had been a coup.

Unfortunately Itachi (and Shisui in the anime) betrayed the clan to the Hokage and put them in an untenable position where a direct confrontation was extremely undesirable, but they could not just go back to their old relationship with Konoha once their treason had been revealed. Which is probably why peace talks with the village seem to have lasted for at least a few months, as neither side wanted to start a bloody fight that would endanger Konoha itself but they also could not just forgive and forget such a huge breach of trust.

Anyway if Itachi refused to act against his own clan then peace talks and the cold war between the village and the Uchiha probably would have continued for a good while longer. Perhaps they would have eventually come to a mutual agreement and the Uchiha would reluctantly be given more influence over the village government, but also required to put up with more oversight from the village. Perhaps Hiruzen would defuse the entire coup by making Itachi the next Hokage, which would satisfy all the Uchiha's demands while also knowing that Itachi would not abuse his power and would rule the village fairly. Perhaps talks would have broken down and a battle would have broken out between the ANBU and the Uchiha that would cripple the village and put them at a disadvantage to the other major villages. Perhaps Danzou would have gone behind the Hokage's back and attacked the Uchiha, provoking them into battle in he hopes that he could take over the wreckage, much like he intended to do when Pain invaded. Perhaps Danzou would use Shisui's eye to make the Uchiha submit to the village and accept second-class citizenship. Perhaps Obito would have acted on his own and the Uchiha clan would have been wiped out anyway but without Itachi's help. There's really so many different ways this divergence could go.
 

Knyght

The Collector
They shouldn't be fighting the whole village anyway. They should aim for the higher ups to take out command and take their positions to suppress the threat of having any entire village against them, ideally.

But it'd probably be shut down before it can get started anyway. The Uchiha decide when to attack, Itachi informs the Hokage and Konoha moves to neutralize/slaughter them preemptively. Unless their suspicions about Itachi cause them to leave him out of their plans and maybe even suspect that he's a double (triple?) agent. So they know that Konoha knows. Then they false feed Itachi information to gain the advantage for when and how they attack.

Or Hiruzen could do something drastic like straight out confront them on the coup d'etat to come to a compromise, or flat out announce Itachi as his future successor to take the wind from their sails.

[Edit: Or all that stuff Altered Ninja said. That works too.]

daosys said:
Divergence 3: Sasuke is killed by Haku.
This one is probably the most interesting divergence. Naruto probably would take upon himself to kill Itachi. Sakura will blame Naruto for Sasuke's death, and Team 7 would be completely shattered.
Naruto takes a page out of Kakashi's book and, when they return, he requests to have Sasuke's eyes transplanted to allow his teammates to live on through the life that he saved.

Then the Sharingan evolves into the Rinnegan so fast it has Madara rolling in his cave grave.
 

daosys

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knight504 said:
Or Hiruzen could do something drastic like straight out confront them on the coup d'etat to come to a compromise, or flat out announce Itachi as his future successor to take the wind from their sails.
Hiruzen in manga said himself that at 7 or 8 years Itachi already possessed necessary qualities of Hokage. It would be natural to him to select Uchiha-genius as successor. It could be that Danzou knew about this and forced clan annihilation.

On the other note, I just watched last anime arc and learned that apparently Uchiha Mikoto was the only one who wished to take Naruto as he was the child of her friend, but due to mistrust was unable to do it. Not sure if this could be considered canon, though.
 
On the other note, I just watched last anime arc and learned that apparently Uchiha Mikoto was the only one who wished to take Naruto as he was the child of her friend, but due to mistrust was unable to do it. Not sure if this could be considered canon, though.
that's it, I must see this arc. Episodes?

For the Uchiha golpe:
first, they were likely going to attack only the higher ups: Hokage, Councillors, Anbu Head, probably the other Section Heads, declaring themselves the new rulers, possibly counting on the surprise effect to keep the village from reacting long enough that once organized, the village would realize fighting the Uchiha would make a bigger mess than letting them in power
second, I suspect the Uchiha had some agreement with at least some clans: taking away the heads wouldn't do much once the rest of the villages becomes aware of the fact, and Hiruzen feared a civil war.
So, either the Uchiha could effectively fight the whole village long enough for it being an actual civil war, or the Uchiha HAD some kind of influence.
Or the Uchiha _WERE_ so desperate that even a almost impossible task like a golpe was better than the situation they were living.

Probably a combination of the three.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Shadow of the ANBU Arc: Episode 349+

It's some good filler, though the Tenzo's backstory/Orochimaru's defection is a weak point.

Altered Nova said:
I don't think the Uchiha were stupid enough to not realize that a civil war would be practically begging their enemies to invade, so they probably never planned to take control through direct military action. They were more likely planning to control people with blackmail and genjutsu, assassinate those who could not be coerced and make it look like the actions of foreign agents or natural causes, and slowly place their own people into positions of power in a plausibly deniable way. If everything had gone according to plan then most of Konoha would never even realize there had been a coup.
Hey, what if that was the divergence? That is, Itachi and Shisui believe that the Uchiha have been mistreated and side with their clan to place them in the position of power with these methods.
 
Shisui Kotoamatsukami-s Danzou in not being such a dick, possibly instead of using a normal genjutsu like in the filler. Suddenly, Uchiha and the village find a compromise benefitting both.
 

daosys

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What would happen if Naruto was able to sense negative emotions from the begining of his life? Would it break him? Will he turn in another Gaara?
 

Knyght

The Collector
Most likely. There's also the opposite extreme where this negative empathy makes him want to help relieve others of their pain. Or make him steer away from conflict entirely because of the constant presence of malice.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Divergence: Orochimaru's white snake successfully escapes the Uchiha battle.
 

lethum

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knight504 said:
Divergence: Orochimaru's white snake successfully escapes the Uchiha battle.
But...that's canon? </jk> (Orochimaru never dies, even after he does)
 

datakim

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lethum said:
But...that's canon? </jk> (Orochimaru never dies, even after he does)
Not really.

Orochimaru does come back after Sasuke pulls another version out of Ankos cursed seal. However there was a long gap where there was no Orochimaru between the Itachi fight and that.

I think the idea was that there would be Orochimaru during the early stages of the war. That could lead to lots of things. Kabuto would probably not turn himself into a genetic mutant. Orochimaru might not collaborate with Obito meaning no Edo Tenseis, or he might, and do the job better meaning stronger Edo Tenseis. Heck, Orochimaru might even oppose Obito, since he is not an Akatsuki fan.

Basically, Orochimaru being alive all along, and never leaving Kabuto alone could potentially lead into many directions.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Kabuto had already injected himself by that, so that would still stand unless Orochimaru extracted his chakra from him or if the cells win him over this time.
 

daosys

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Divergence Point: Naruto and Sasuke weren't able to save Kakashi from water prison during Wave mission.
 

KurokamiDG

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...Then they would die during the wave mission. Or Naruto would go kyuubi mode an attack and hopefully get the drop on a surprised Zabuza.
 

Altered Nova

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Well there's also the possibility that if they failed to free Kakashi then they'd actually obey Kakashi's command to run away, and they'd survive because as Kakashi mentioned Zabuza can't chase them without freeing him and Zabuza's water clones can't travel very far away from the original.

Then the divergence would be Team Seven returning to Konoha without their sensei, how they react to their sensei dying and their first real mission ending in an abysmal failure, and the consequences of Zabuza and Haku running around with a shit load of money (Gato won't risk betraying them since they weren't significantly weakened by their ninja fight in this divergence) and a shiny new sharingan.
 

daosys

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Divergence: Nagato was killed by Hanzo, his Rinnegan destroyed.
 

Knyght

The Collector
I've got the image of Hanzo tossing Nagato a booby-trapped kunai to kill Yahiko with. The moment Yahiko stabs himself, boom! They both get vaporized and he blows up Konan for the finish.

Sneaky mofo.
 

daosys

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knight504 said:
I've got the image of Hanzo tossing Nagato a booby-trapped kunai to kill Yahiko with. The moment Yahiko stabs himself, boom! They both get vaporized and he blows up Konan for the finish.

Sneaky mofo.
You are better ninja than Hanzo :snigger:

But still, what would Obito do without Rinnegan?
 

Knyght

The Collector
Trying to recreate it seems likely. The Rinnegan is needed to use the Gedou Mazou and to resurrect Madara so they can't pull off the Moon Eye's Plan without it, IIRC. But that would be doomed to failure since it would only work by fusing Asura and Indra's chakra together, not that Obito or Madara Zetsu would know that. They could only pull that off with Naruto and Sasuke.
 

Altered Nova

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Frankly I have a hard time believing that Madara's grand plan depended on just trusting that an untrained, unsupervised child with magic eyeballs would survive to adulthood and just happen to find a sympathetic master and learn to use ninjutsu so he could play his role in the plan. Especially considering how much of a puppet master and crazy prepared schemer we've seen he was with Obito.

Madara probably had like a hundred Zetsu watching Nagato's every move his entire life who would jump in to save him if necessary and he probably sealed a bunch of jutsu into those eyeballs pre-programmed to active to defend the boy, like Itachi did with that Amaterasu with Sasuke - it would explain how Nagato killed those Konoha-nin who killed his parents and the Iwa-nin who attacked Yahiko. Heck Madara's chakra taking control of his body would also explain how he suddenly summoned the Gedo Mazou after Yahiko died despite having no idea he could do that.

So if Nagato was mortally wounded by Hanzou somehow he'd probably find some Zetsu suddenly growing on his body and giving him chakra and healing his wounds, or his eyeballs would suck away some mook's life energy with Preta Path without his input and restore his body, or some other crazy backup plan of Madara's would take effect to save him.
 

Banach87

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Well Madara's plans weren't that good since:

a) Nagato wasted his use of Rine-Tensei on the leaf, dying in the process.

b) Tobi had no idea where the Rinnegan was being kept afterwards.

With this in mind I think it's safe to assume that Madara's precautions with Nagato at most extended to the preservation of his eyes. So Nagato dying to Hanzo isn't really that far-fetched (maybe have Hanzo's summon eat the eyes, since he is unable to destroy them).
 

Altered Nova

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What if Tsunade had insisted on this order and Jiraiya actually did summon her for backup against Pain?



What if neither Kakashi or Jiraiya had been nearby to stop Naruto and Sasuke from accidentally killing Sakura?



What if Kakashi had accepted Tsunade's mission instead of going after the Sasuke retrieval team?
 

daosys

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Altered Nova said:
What if Tsunade had insisted on this order and Jiraiya actually did summon her for backup against Pain?
They would die together or Tsunade can order to retreat from Ame.

What if neither Kakashi or Jiraiya had been nearby to stop Naruto and Sasuke from accidentally killing Sakura?
Angst and drama?

What if Kakashi had accepted Tsunade's mission instead of going after the Sasuke retrieval team?
Nothing will change. Kakashi was late, anyway. Well, Naruto, probably, would have to walk to Konoha by himself.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Altered Nova said:
What if Tsunade had insisted on this order and Jiraiya actually did summon her for backup against Pain?
It'd probably turn into a fighting retreat. The most likely time he'd call for her is probably when he hid inside the gourd toad. Jiraiya doesn't seem like he'll be satisfied without confirming the Six Paths' identity so he's still gonna go back out there. Assuming he can get her directly to him through Shima, she can heal his injuries to an extent and grant him an ally that can sneak up one Pain.

Long story short, Jiraiya survives and they get some more intel on the Pain's during their escape and Konoha doesn't have to waste time decoding a message and whatnot.
 

thecuiy

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im new here and i dont know if this counts as necro'ing the thread(since the last post was two months ago) but these are my ideas

Amnesia. When Naruto headbutts Gaara at the end of their epic fight he loses his memory. It could be delayed-onset amnesia so that Naruto can still give the whole speech to Gaara about friendship. For extra angst, Yami-Naruto could show up to screw with the amnesic Naruto even more(i dont know if yami-naruto was something that was there all along or it just popped up after Naruto's fight with Pain).

and

2: Naruto awakens the Mokuton during his fight with Haku on the bridge(not that much of a stretch considering the whole Ashura reincarnation thing.)
 
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