Oh. Dear. God.

[foesjoe]

... this is fanfic. Taken seriously?

Also, as to the grammare debate ... for fuck's sake, stop splitting hairs about a stylistic choice like it's the end of the world. If you read the story and like it, you'll ignore it. At least it's conscious choice and not 'couple dozen misspellings of the same word throughout one chapter'. He's consistent with it.


But I can say, either don't touch it at all, or don't just 'take a little' from the front and slam it outright if you do start reading.

-Griever

That's stupid. There's a reason why there are standardised rules to languages, be it grammar, spelling, whatever.

If everybody just decided to ignore those rules and use their own arbitrary spelling and grammar instead, you wouldn't be able to read anything at all. Or rather, you'd be able to read it, but not understand it.

It's not stylistic choice, it's moronic.

And I also disagree with the second statement. Nobody's going to force themselves to continue reading a story when they don't like the first few chapters. If I don't like the beginning of a story, even if it has been recommended by others, I don't continue reading it, because I'm not a masochist.

 

[Lord Raa]

1. Wyrd is not a calling card or a quirk. It's a misspelling, and any author that wants to be taken seriously would just spell the damn word out. Same thing goes with changing Demon and Magic into Daemon or Magyck/Magick for no reason, or changing any word back into an older spelling of it just to sound "cool". Unless the story specifically calls for it, or the word has a new meaning entirely, stop raping my favorite language.

... this is fanfic. Taken seriously?

Also, as to the grammare debate ... for fuck's sake, stop splitting hairs about a stylistic choice like it's the end of the world. If you read the story and like it, you'll ignore it. At least it's conscious choice and not 'couple dozen misspellings of the same word throughout one chapter'. He's consistent with it.

Besides, like any of the people here will tell me they haven't, on occasion, tried to introduce a wannabe-slang word or two of their own devising into the language.

-Griever

Err... so you're saying that I can get away with spelling words how I pronounce them because it's a stylistic choice?

Fine, but I speak with a Midlands accent, so I say "glass" rather than "glarse", which I would if I was from the South of England.

Are the misspelled, sorry, "stylistically chosen" words proper nouns?

If they are, then, you can get away with it.

If they are not, then you are just trying to be clever and are failing miserably.

The variations of English that you see in my posts and someone like TenguPhule's are in that he uses American English and I use British English.

Those are "stylistic choices".

 

[PCHeintz72]

Never mind, Lord Raa hit everything I was going to state, and probably better than myself.

 

[SoulGriever13]

Post basically just spells weird as 'wyrd'. That's the one most people harp about. I think there were one or two more, but IIRC they were isolated cases, or just not as profilic as that one.

It's a little annoying to start with, but nothing that I can see people getting up in arms about ... which they seem to be doing nonetheless. *shrugs*

@foesjoe

And I also disagree with the second statement. Nobody's going to force themselves to continue reading a story when they don't like the first few chapters. If I don't like the beginning of a story, even if it has been recommended by others, I don't continue reading it, because I'm not a masochist.

Didn't mean it like that. I meant, saying 'oh, and also it must be bad because it's so long' without having read enough to see why it's so long.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing ... to base that sort of opinion on. Especially when coupled with that ' There are much better authors out there in the TT and DC sections who DON'T have to write 10000000000000 words to tell a single damn story.' comment. Especially since TBE is about as much a 'single damn story' as the whole of Teen Titans can be considered a 'single damn story' or MacKinnon's stuff can be considered 'single damn story'.

Don't force yourself to read it if you don't like it ... but if you do that, say 'I didn't read more than a bit of it because' and don't thereupon slam the whole thing immediately because of its size.

That's what I meant.

-Griever

 

[Lord Raa]

Yes, I agree... But Lord Raa... There is of course one other valid exception on spelling.

Different countries and spelling differences due to language splits. I come across that many times when reading works from writers from England or Australia, your own included, and I'm sure you see the differences as well reading American or international English language variations. Neither spelling is wrong, and I practically will never point them out, unless I'm ignorant of them being so.

Oh yes, I realise that, especially since I use the term "tap" when you would use "faucet" (which, incidentally, my Firefox dictionary doesn't recognise as a word).


Perhaps, when I have something suitable for the next contest (it doesn't look like
I'll manage something for ELC5 or the WAFFAthon) I'll consider "Americanizing" it to obscure my writing "style".

 

[David Alan Abramczyk]

Wouldn't that be like trying to hide an elephant under a tablecloth? (Discworld allusion, if you're interested.)

 

[Zephyrus]

............well.

Can't say I agree with you guys. Just because he tries to liven things up and add his own flair to a story, that makes it suck?

I find that incredibly small minded. I realize that some people are fanatical about grammar, and I am myeslf, but when I got into TBE, I overlooked the few mistakes I did find in favor of the story. You can't let things like that make you miss out.

Zeph, I like you. You're a good author, you read my stuff, and we get along for the most part. I will not, however, read any of Post works. You want my reasons? Fine.

1. Wyrd is not a calling card or a quirk. It's a misspelling, and any author that wants to be taken seriously would just spell the damn word out. Same thing goes with changing Demon and Magic into Daemon or Magyck/Magick for no reason, or changing any word back into an older spelling of it just to sound "cool". Unless the story specifically calls for it, or the word has a new meaning entirely, stop raping my favorite language.

2. I do not like silent narrators, period. I feel that Noel could be a much stronger character (from what little I read) if he fucking SPOKE UP once in awhile, otherwise every part he narrates from is just some weird form of 3rd/1st (2nd?) person narration and I hatehatehatehatehate it.

3. Post have too much hype going for him for "These Black Eyes". There are much better authors out there in the TT and DC sections who DON'T have to write 10000000000000 words to tell a single damn story. I...I don't know. I feel like he's trying to make up quality with quantity, you know?

Well firstly, thanks for the reassurance that you don't hate my guts.

I'm glad that you think I happen to write halfway decent stuff, and I'm glad that we get along as well.

That being said, I'm just going to be like a broken record here:

I'm sorry that personal taste and refusal to think outside the box has kept you from what I consider a great fic. But that's just it: it's my own opinion on what I think is great. Honestly? I didn't expect so much slamming on me just because I was trying to defend something that I loved. I was merely trying to garner some enthusiasm for a great story, not force it on people who think Post is a Waste of Space.

You don't like Post's stuff? That's fine. I'm not going to call you a herectic for thinking in that vein.

But I still don't understand just exactly what you have against him. So what if he writes insanely long chapters? I love it like that, and when reading TBE through for the first time, I would sit for hours just slowly digesting his newest arc. It was a thing of beauty to me, and I was jealous that I couldn't write that much. The Illiad and the Odysessy are long winded and tend to extrapolate on things that could be summed up in a sentence, and yet they are works of art, having stood the test of time for centuries. So yeah, the long chapters are something I miss from his current work.

The grammar thing? All I have to say is that all of you against it are blowing it out of proportion. I still maintain that it is his unique stlye and flair, something that has always stayed with me, even influencing how I named superheroes, as trivial and stupid as that sounds.

So I'm sorry that you hate his stuff, but I would also like to point out that I in no way asked for my tastes to be slammed like this. You're terribly kind and generous for offering, though.

Fanfiction is all about personal taste. You for instance, have a distinct style of storytelling that I love, especially that way that you fill in the gaps in between canon in Naruto. That's your talent, your flair. I'm greatly jealous of your use of imagery as well. So should someone who likes things straight and to the point slam you just because you tell things in an artistic and prosaic form? I should think not.

Is it such a crime to be an author's fan on TFF? I thought that this is what the forum was for in the first place.

 

[PCHeintz72]

Yes, I agree...á But Lord Raa...á There is of course one other valid exception on spelling.á

Different countries and spelling differences due to language splits.á I come across that many times when reading works from writers from England or Australia, your own included, and I'm sure you see the differences as well reading American or international English language variations.á Neither spelling is wrong, and I practically will never point them out, unless I'm ignorant of them being so.

Oh yes, I realise that, especially since I use the term "tap" when you would use "faucet" (which, incidentally, my Firefox dictionary doesn't recognise as a word).


Perhaps, when I have something suitable for the next contest (it doesn't look like
I'll manage something for ELC5 or the WAFFAthon) I'll consider "Americanizing" it to obscure my writing "style".

Well... I was referring more to spelling, than word descriptive, differences. But both apply.

color vs. colour. etc..

EDIT: by the way, Faucet is supposedly both middle english and middle french in origin. No clue why it would not be in your dictionary. At least, that is according to the Werriam Webster American English on-line dictionary.

 

[wraith]

I think the biggest trouble with this debate is that wyrd isn't a word. I checked on Webster because most of the time they have the old English forms of words in there as well, but this is not a style issue, this is an issue of being wrong. Wyrd doesn't exist. It isn't an alternate spelling, or even a word that is designed to be clever in pointing towards something else. If an author wants to be clever, then misspelling words is not the way to go about it. Usually, as an avid reader of fanfiction, when I see bothersome little things like this, there's a little meter inside my head that's labeled "Annoyance Value", and stuff like that compounds. The meter maxes out, and that's when I stop reading the fic. Lucky for me, the meter usually resets for a new story.

More to the point of the Topic, is there really a need for a whole new topic to tell everyone that any certain author updated? We have an update thread, and there is a other fandoms section. If this were a normal forum I'd ask Hawk nicely to close this, but whatever.

EDIT: Fixed some stuff.

 

[Pridefall]

1. Wyrd is not a calling card or a quirk. It's a misspelling, and any author that wants to be taken seriously would just spell the damn word out. Same thing goes with changing Demon and Magic into Daemon or Magyck/Magick for no reason, or changing any word back into an older spelling of it just to sound "cool". Unless the story specifically calls for it, or the word has a new meaning entirely, stop raping my favorite language.

... this is fanfic. Taken seriously?

Also, as to the grammare debate ... for fuck's sake, stop splitting hairs about a stylistic choice like it's the end of the world. If you read the story and like it, you'll ignore it. At least it's conscious choice and not 'couple dozen misspellings of the same word throughout one chapter'. He's consistent with it.

Besides, like any of the people here will tell me they haven't, on occasion, tried to introduce a wannabe-slang word or two of their own devising into the language.

2. I do not like silent narrators, period. I feel that Noel could be a much stronger character (from what little I read) if he fucking SPOKE UP once in awhile, otherwise every part he narrates from is just some weird form of 3rd/1st (2nd?) person narration and I hatehatehatehatehate it.

Yeah, that's because Noir is, you know ... MUTE. Like, say, Matt Murdock is blind, only without any sonic scream sonar to cover?

Guy's got no vocal cords. Among other things. So I can't really see how you'd want him to speak. IMO, Post did a bang-up job of trying to tell a story through someone like that.

3. Post have too much hype going for him for "These Black Eyes". There are much better authors out there in the TT and DC sections who DON'T have to write 10000000000000 words to tell a single damn story. I...I don't know. I feel like he's trying to make up quality with quantity, you know?

Actually, no. And from what you're writing, neither do you. You'd best reserve judgments like that until you've actually _read_ into the bloody thing a bit more. From what I'm seeing here, you've not, as you're nowhere near vitriolic enough to have read any significant amount of the story and gotten to dislike it through that.

TBE is not just one story. It's world is fucking huge. There's plotlines ... well, I shan't spoil it for you. I once summed it up with the words that: 'it's like a train-wreck' from a plot POV. Bad, bad things happen to people here. Punches are not pulled.

I can't rightly say that _I_ like this story. There's too much stuff in there, both good and bad, both uplifting and depressing, both heroic and horrifying. It's like a train-wreck.

But I can say, either don't touch it at all, or don't just 'take a little' from the front and slam it outright if you do start reading.

-Griever

1. I'll continue to split hairs and not read anymore of the story because, you know, I hate it when people spell words in certain ways. I'm that much of a grammar nazi because A) It bothers me to see people butcher a language because they feel like it and B) For personal reasons, I'm always striving to learn how to write English correctly, and my main medium of learning was/is through reading things. Something just goes off in my brain when I read Wyrd and the rest of me goes DO NOT WANT.

Also, a stylistic choice with no foundation upon it inside of a story still does not equal proper language usage. Stop trying to justify someone's butchering of my favorite language with stupid spellings of normal words, because I'm not listening to it after this post.

2. Comparing blindness to muteness is only half a valid argument, you realize? Daredevil can still SPEAK to people, and Noir cannot unless at some point in after what I read he starts using sign-language to get his meaning's across. Or Raven starts reading his mind. Or everyone on the team can suddenly read everything he does perfectly.

A mute character, when handled well, is a good thing, but having them as such a prominent main character takes away from me believing the narrative because they will NEVER have a conversation with someone. Again, I'll admit that I haven't read through the monster of a world that Post has created, but I still stand by my reasoning however flawed it is.

3. I agree with you wholeheartedly, but, let me make this clear -- Not everyone wants to read a fanfiction so vastly complicated or long. I'd read TBE if, maybe, just maybe he split the damn thing up into separate stories instead of over-arching plotlines tied together by the same title.

 

[trevelyan1983]

Wyrd actually does exist as a word, but is being used in entirely the wrong context - it's the source of the word weird, but it is certainly not interchangeable with it.

Weird means unusual, or strange.

Wyrd was the concept of Fate or Destiny. Anglo-Saxon or Celtic, if I recall correctly.

So whatever the dude's aim was - to be edgy, or cool, or whatever . . fails. Purely because he didn't bother to actually pay attention to the meanings of the words he chose to rape. Something of an irony for an author, I'd say. ^_^

 

[Zephyrus]

-facepalm-

It's just a WORD!!! Who cares how he uses it? Isn't the story more important that how a word is used?

Look at Fosfor. We all know that his fics aren't always up to par grammatically, but that sure as hell doesn't stop us from reading them, does it?

 

[Pridefall]

-facepalm-

It's just a WORD!!! Who cares how he uses it? Isn't the story more important that how a word is used?

Look at Fosfor. We all know that his fics aren't always up to par grammatically, but that sure as hell doesn't stop us from reading them, does it?

Fosfor's dyslexic.

What's Post's excuse?





Addendum: For those of you who don't know, Wyrd is the label of the source/energy type/whatever-thing of Noir's powers (I believe. I could be wrong.)

 

[Steel]

I couldn't get two paragraphs in before my "Press the X" detector went off. Pridefall knows the one, as I'm his ex-beta.

 

[Pridefall]

I couldn't get two paragraphs in before my "Press the X" detector went off. Pridefall knows the one, as I'm his ex-beta.

The big shiny one that goes off for bad plot ideas? Because I pressed that one the most. XD

 

[MangoPDK]

Correction to Pride's 'clarification' of Wyrd: Murk is what he calls his power. Wyrd is just what Post uses instead of Weird.

 

[Lord Raa]

-facepalm-

It's just a WORD!!! Who cares how he uses it? Isn't the story more important that how a word is used?

Look at Fosfor. We all know that his fics aren't always up to par grammatically, but that sure as hell doesn't stop us from reading them, does it?

It would be like me using "canon" when I should be using "cannon".

It's not only pretentiousness, it's also incorrect.

 

[Jeap]

I originally shelved These Black Eyes, the start was meh and I just didn't feel like reading an Teen Titans right then. I picked it up a few months later and still wasn't impressed by it until I got to the first story arc an it started to pick up.

The chapters between story arcs? Skip 'em if you want, they're filler mostly. The story arcs are where its at and they read almost like episodes of the show. And he can write nice action. High speed chase down a freeway? Probably something like that- er, if the girl handcuffed to you can hurl bad luck. A rolling battle through downtown Vegas? Spiffy. Fight with Big Blue? Noir lost big time, but Supes was cool. A sworn enemy forcing you to turn villain to save your teammates? He hacks off his arm at the end. Badass.

Its focused around an OC, the writing is odd in places, wyrd is weird (and an old english noun!), and the US military uses AK-47s. But it has some nice action sequences in it.

His newest stuff? The style is too odd for me.

/relurk for the next Fosfor update. Or Bjorn. Epsilon too. drakensis is also fine. SoulGriever13 does a good story. And- well there are a lot of good authors here.

 

[Zephyrus]

Fine.

I give up.

You evil bastards win.

-goes to drown his sorrows in a pile of Kodomo no Jikan, pocky, and FMP-

I'm an unworthy person who reads grammatically incorrect fics, which are made of Fail and AIDs. Happy?