Naruto Operator Chapter 5

felixgi

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sorry my bad I am big Naruto/ female Haku fan I started to read chapter 2 when i saw Haku"s name. Operator and Tempered in Water are two of my favorite Naruto/ Haku stories I Went back and read the very begining.
but i also like Hinata/Naruto and Naruto/Anko i hate Naruto/Sakura. good luck with finals i hated them too
 

Mageohki

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Typhonis said:
Sarutobi best hope Orochimaru doesn`t get his hands on this information. All the snake would then have to do is let it slip and the first problem Sarutobi has is replacing Konoha`s main gates after Tsunade knocks them off their hinges getting to Naruto.


From the way he has written it, it seems that Hyates clan is one of the ones pissed off at Sarutobi. Giving Naruto that sword I think signifies that they feel he is blameless in the mess that killed him.Also I don`t see them happy with the faqct his name was witheld from the memorial stone....was his body even recovered? Hell if anything it sopunds like all the investigators did was dump all of the shit on Naruto, make him take the blame for all of it and let the Copycat slide, because they had a convienient ascapegoat on their hands.
Naw. That's not his first problem.


Now, a Toad with a sharp sword, and puffing fire, with Jiraya on his head, that might be it.

or it could be one very pissed off Tsume.

Choices, choices...

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Typhonis

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Depends on whom Orochimaru lets know first Hmm? Afterall start it as a small rumor in a few places then have Tsunade 'find' evidence. Sit back and watch as the windmill turns....
 

t_gebhardt

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First thing Orochimaru would do would be either canceling or putting on hold any plans for the invasion of Kohona he has.

Than make sure that all concerned parties arrive in Kohona at the same time. Sit back and enjoy.

Next thing make sure that Sasuke is not used to pacify Iwa. After all why would Iwa want the Hyuga bloodline when they could take over the almighty Uchia blood line? Especially because it would be easier to spread the blood line with help of a male.
 

Mageohki

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elric said:
Mageohki said:
Aye, lord Fosfor, you've created a group of manaics.


BTW: Just as an aside.

Kyo decleared himself Ronin.

A.
Ah, but does his clan admit (or accept) that? Just because he cut all ties with them doesn't mean they cut all ties with him.
Tradtion says they have to.

It gets complex. Delcaring yourself Ronin is major bad.


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elric

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I have too many "What if's" in my head. Now i'm wondering what would have happened if Saya hadn't lost a limb.


. . . Are there any good pictures to help us visualize Naruto's old team?
 

aaa

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t_gebhardt said:
aaa I think it is not necessary to quote the entire chapter just to point out that Fosfor made spelling errors. Especially if you don't highlight the ones you found.

This kind of thing is unhelpful and probably consider very annoying by the readers of this thread. At least it annoyed me. More so if you do it 2 times in a row.
The point wasn't to highlight the fact he makes spelling errors, the point was to correct them for him. I do not make major sentence changes, so the goal is to have most of the little typos corrected in one swoop that hopefully doesn't take too much of Fosfor's time to apply. Then hints about things like style could be given BakaNeko-style. I guess I should have bolded things though.

I'm guessing you were annoyed by having to scroll across the huge length of the thing (which annoys me too, :lol:) . Which would call for those handy collapsible spoiler tags other forums have. I can't think of a better solution, well aside from editing the quote out once the main post changes. Or a pastebin, though I'm not sure how Fosfor feels about having his stuff posted outside of the forum.

BTW, it isn't just an automated spellcheck, I catch things not caught by it, though obviously not all. Guess it should be called 'incomplete spellcheck' then :p.
 

Ike

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aaa said:
t_gebhardt said:
aaa I think it is not necessary to quote the entire chapter just to point out that Fosfor made spelling errors. Especially if you don't highlight the ones you found.

This kind of thing is unhelpful and probably consider very annoying by the readers of this thread. At least it annoyed me. More so if you do it 2 times in a row.
The point wasn't to highlight the fact he makes spelling errors, the point was to correct them for him. I do not make major sentence changes, so the goal is to have most of the little typos corrected in one swoop that hopefully doesn't take too much of Fosfor's time to apply. Then hints about things like style could be given BakaNeko-style. I guess I should have bolded things though.

I'm guessing you were annoyed by having to scroll across the huge length of the thing (which annoys me too, :lol:) . Which would call for those handy collapsible spoiler tags other forums have. I can't think of a better solution, well aside from editing the quote out once the main post changes. Or a pastebin, though I'm not sure how Fosfor feels about having his stuff posted outside of the forum.

BTW, it isn't just an automated spellcheck, I catch things not caught by it, though obviously not all. Guess it should be called 'incomplete spellcheck' then :p.
The reason it irritated me was because you DIDN'T mark what you had actually changed.

If you wanna correct spelling errors, don't just edit the entire post for him, and repost it as that, without any markings.

use the boxes, and stick the individual error sentences in, bolding the corrected words.
 

aaa

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Ike said:
The reason it irritated me was because you DIDN'T mark what you had actually changed.

If you wanna correct spelling errors, don't just edit the entire post for him, and repost it as that, without any markings.

use the [ QUOTE] [ /QUOTE] boxes, and stick the individual error sentences in, bolding the corrected words.
I definitely need to make judicious use of the b tag.

Quoting each typo one by one doesn't look like like it's gonna shorten the length of the post. Unless I should focus on stuff *not* caught by the auto-spellcheck...?
 

DeathGod666

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aaa said:
Ike said:
The reason it irritated me was because you DIDN'T mark what you had actually changed.

If you wanna correct spelling errors, don't just edit the entire post for him, and repost it as that, without any markings.

use the [ QUOTE] [ /QUOTE] boxes, and stick the individual error sentences in, bolding the corrected words.
I definitely need to make judicious use of the b tag.

Quoting each typo one by one doesn't look like like it's gonna shorten the length of the post. Unless I should focus on stuff *not* caught by the auto-spellcheck...?
I think what he means that you should have bolded the mistakes if you were posting the entire snippet.

Either that or just posting the mistakes
 

aaa

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*aaa pulls out can of [ b] tags and brandishes wdiff tool...

Boldness added.

BTW, Fosfor, do you prefer US or UK spelling?
 

TheClueless

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Fosfor said:
elric said:
So Kyo became a genin at something like 15 or 16? How old was Naruto then?

If you don't mind, could you tell us a little about the ninja career of the other members of squad four?
Most will be revealed in the story anyway. Let's just say that they are a very ragtag group and neither had what you'd consider a normal career as a shinobi.

Though Tenrou's propably the strangest and weirdest.
Of course, when (this version of) Naruto is considered to be (and, to the best of our knowledge, actually *is*) one the sanest people in Operations Team 4, you know something is wrong.

I really can see groups of ANBU sagely nodding their heads after hearing about Ops Team 4's last mission and Rei's current status. Of *course* the (sane) newbie would either quickly die or be driven insane.

For that matter, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that members of Konoha's ANBU have quiet little bets going about what mental damage Hana *must* be hiding. After she's been in Team 4 for *years* now - and she's been leading it for approx. 2 years now - so she *must* be crazy.

The Clueless
 

TheClueless

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Fosfor said:
Have I in any way, shape or form indicated that there would BE a third girl? No I didn't. I didn't give even a hint of a clue for anything like that. At all.

Did you even bother to read AN to one of the chapters (two or three, I don't remember now). I stated - for the pairing, those are IT. NO. MORE. GIRLS. FOR. NARUTO.
I will humbly accept at least partial responsibility here, Fosfor. I have posted, in this thread, that once Naruto's true parentage gets out, that there would be attempts - serious attempts at that - to try to get other women in Naruto's bed. IMO, it seems rather obvious; Naruto is not only of of *extremely* noble blood, but comes from excellent genetic stock. I did not state that those attempts would be successful though.

I hate the exams. I feel like shit, I've got a migraine pounding, I have three (or two and a half, rather) essays to write, exam to got to the first thing in the morning and I know next to nothing about the subject. I don't even know how the examiner looks like since I've yet to be on any of his lectures.

Just brilliant. This semester is simply beyond britlliant. If I pass, I'll simply crash and veg for a week or two. Or more.
Good luck with your exams and essays. Better luck than I had, at the very least.

The Clueless
 

TheClueless

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Mageohki said:
elric said:
Mageohki said:
Aye, lord Fosfor, you've created a group of manaics.


BTW: Just as an aside.

Kyo decleared himself Ronin.

A.
Ah, but does his clan admit (or accept) that? Just because he cut all ties with them doesn't mean they cut all ties with him.
Tradtion says they have to.

It gets complex. Delcaring yourself Ronin is major bad.


A.
Indeed. My information is second hand (and therefore suspect), but my understanding is that (depending on the clans involved, and the facts behind why someone was Ronin) having the ronin "adopted" by another clan could be taken an insult (up to "blood feud" level) to the ronin's original clan. And having a ronin become a member of their original clan again? It's possible, but... Well, a two-headed calf would probably be considered less of a freak of nature.

Of course, if Tsunade "adopted" ms. "Not-a-Hyuuga", and she and Kyo formalized their relationship, Kyo would essentially be a member of Tsunade's clan. Of course, Kyo's original clan could still take offence; although the legal/honor side of things would be a bit more complex, IMO. Tsunade would definately offended the Hyuuga; of course, they'd be too busy trying to stay afloat to really do anything about it.

The Clueless
 

Mageohki

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Aaaaah.
It's more complex than just that. While, yes, in essense you're basically correct, the sitaution gets _MORE_ complex when you factor in a ronin by situation or choice.
(Techically, according to the strictest view of the tradtions on Clan, right now Naruto is a ronin.)


Since Kyo and Ya-chan are ronin by choice, and in fact, the way Kyo did it as I understand isn't quite the tradtional method (Ya's was, btw) of doing so.

They can be (with the noted insult POSSIBLITY!) adopted. Situational ronin (Naruto in theory, a good example would be Sasuke, pre leaving) can be easily, but tradionally only done to a sept or a allied clan, who have the name as well. Honeslty, most cases of sole surivors, is they're 'guardian'ed' not adopted.


A lot of can a ronin by choice be adopted boils down to three things.
1. why they left. Kyo... grey area, and in fact, I'd say he'd be not elgible for adoption and or readmittance back into his clan, depends on how active the declaration was, unless there was some overriding reason. Ya-chan? She's acutally a case example of someone who -can- be readopted by her former clan, but not adopted without permission from that clan.
Hurm. Other ronin by choice ... *shakes head* No real clear example, mind you.
In Naruto, really.

2. The way they left. Kyo (since I can't recall offhand if Fosfor said in thread, so I'm not saying WHY)'s declaring himself ronin was actually a BIG, BIG, BIG time insult to his family. There would have to be a major reason for that to be overriden. Ya-chan did it publically, but that was pretty much WITH the Hyugga at the time's blessing. So... toss up there.

3. Sitaution of the clan that's adopting them, or their old clan.
Aaaah.... this is where situational needs can outrump insults.

*shrugs* It gets complex. There's no hard and fast answer, and it changes often on the ronin in question. Some ronin-by-choice, did it to escape (aka the R1/2 serinaro) a situation where there was no real way out, but felt that she or he shouldn't answer for the situation. (Or rightfully SHOULD not have to answer for it, in fact)
They are often the most frequenlty adopted into other clans, but that's only for really... unusual ronins, really. Ranma... 50/50, and it'd be more than likey marriage adoption than child adoption. Honor loss, but not significant, and cleans the slate of the ronin. (In fact, in some cases it's a honor GAIN for the adopting clan... but...)

Ronin by choice (Kyo) who are doing it to disavow what their parents want(as long as it's a honorable wish)?
Scum. Worthless, not a fucking chance in hell, and never adopted period, though their old clan might take them back if they agree to do what the parents want... and how publically the ronin going was. Adoption by other clans... would dishonor the adopting clan BIG time. And yes, this is where blood insult level MAY be reached.

Ronin before they got disowned (Ya-chan)... depends why. In her case, she'd be eglible now for readoption by the Hyuuga, and yes, they'd consdier it a insult if she was by anyone else. BLood insult level... not as much, but it's still there.

*shrugs* It's complex.
Really.

A.
 

TheClueless

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If I'm reading into things correctly, the Leaf's time as one of the major shinobi hidden villages will basically come to an end with with the Sand/Sound invasion, and the "settlement" with the Rock afterwards.

If the Sand/Sound invasion does anywhere near as much damage here as it did in the Canon!Narutoverse, a serious attack by the Rock within a few months would pretty much finish the Leaf off. Combine that with the severity - and duration - of the insult to the Rock, and the best comparisons to the Leaf's situation (post settlement) will be a mix of Germany in 1919, and Eastern Europe (in general) in 1946.

The Sarutobi clan - *all* of it - is as good as gone. Members will either end up dead, or end up married (with their spouce wearing the pants in the relationship) and giving up their names. They're going to wipe the any mention of the clan's name from history books. The Third Hokage might be remembers, but *only* as "The Third Hokage". And I wouldn't be surprised if the Third's face was removed from "Hokage mountain".

All of the Leaf's clans with bloodlimits? Will have to provide multiple members - with the Rock having the final say as to who is and isn't acceptable - to marry into the Rock. All of Konoha's long-standing ninja clans? The same, but *maybe* with fewer members required.

The Leaf's jutsu libraries? Open to the Rock. Including the clan-based private libraries.

Clans with *positive* ties to Naruto - before the news of his true heritage gets out - might weather the storm with far fewer losses. But, given the story so far, that's apparently only three clans. Gekko (Hayate's clan), Inuzuka (Hana's clan), Akagi (Ryoko's clan). And only one of those clans (Inuzuka) has even a minor bloodlimit.

The Clueless
 

Mageohki

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TheClueless said:
If I'm reading into things correctly, the Leaf's time as one of the major shinobi hidden villages will basically come to an end with with the Sand/Sound invasion, and the "settlement" with the Rock afterwards.

If the Sand/Sound invasion does anywhere near as much damage here as it did in the Canon!Narutoverse, a serious attack by the Rock within a few months would pretty much finish the Leaf off. Combine that with the severity - and duration - of the insult to the Rock, and the best comparisons to the Leaf's situation (post settlement) will be a mix of Germany in 1919, and Eastern Europe (in general) in 1946.

The Sarutobi clan - *all* of it - is as good as gone. Members will either end up dead, or end up married (with their spouce wearing the pants in the relationship) and giving up their names. They're going to wipe the any mention of the clan's name from history books. The Third Hokage might be remembers, but *only* as "The Third Hokage". And I wouldn't be surprised if the Third's face was removed from "Hokage mountain".

All of the Leaf's clans with bloodlimits? Will have to provide multiple members - with the Rock having the final say as to who is and isn't acceptable - to marry into the Rock. All of Konoha's long-standing ninja clans? The same, but *maybe* with fewer members required.

The Leaf's jutsu libraries? Open to the Rock. Including the clan-based private libraries.

Clans with *positive* ties to Naruto - before the news of his true heritage gets out - might weather the storm with far fewer losses. But, given the story so far, that's apparently only three clans. Gekko (Hayate's clan), Inuzuka (Hana's clan), Akagi (Ryoko's clan). And only one of those clans (Inuzuka) has even a minor bloodlimit.

The Clueless
Not quite.

While yes, Rock will be able to set terms (very NICE terms) Rock's CORE leadership isn't intrested in the slaguhter of Leaf.

1. For all pratical effects Surime is No 2 right now in Rock Hidden village, and has major pull with teh Damiyo, and by the time it all comes out, she'd be able to ditate terms. Naruto doesn't in general want Leaf slaguhtered. Surime likes elements of Leaf, and while she HONORABLY should slaughter all, she's not that cruel. Espically with Sound on her hitlist, AND our Atsukui boys.

2. Even a weakened leaf/sound can really screw over Rock enough Not quite pryrhic, but a good push by Cloud or a allanace of the minors could finish Rock off in that case.

3. Private clan justus? No. Not happening, ever, and Rock knows better than to ask. A chunk of the major kids? Oh, yes. Third's clan takign hits? Yup. Not totally exterimated/dissovled but DEFNIATLY weakened. Name removed from records? Eh. Not added to the Memorial, oh yes. Struck from teh Mounment... unlikey.
Even with what the Third LET happen or did (depends on your view) there are limits to what Konoha will tolerate. Surime's not that stupid of a person, and also has lived in Leaf.
Remember, it's going to end up with Rock/Leaf/Sand allanace. Not so much becasue any of the three WANT it really, but more becasue at this point, there's reasons.

Leaf will keep it's major status, but it'll definatly take some weaking hits from this, and it's status WILL be hurt.

However, the -real- hits will actually STRENTGHEN Tsudane/Konoha long term. Some of the council's gonna die. That simple. Think Tsudane's not going to mind replacing htem with HER people?

Konoha's hit here, is more of taking a gut punch. Recoverable easily, if given some time. Rock will give it, since it'd cost THEM too much to nail them while they're still twithcing... and really, the one they want the most, is already dead... and Tsudane is techically Surime's sister by custom. It gets weird.
(Yes, if Tsudane wasn't the next Hokage, there'd be nothing saving Konoha from at least definatie 'subordiation' or more than likey being Carthrage'd)
XD
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Mageohki

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Oh, forgot one bit. Surime's not sure at all what side the Inzukua and Naruto will pick. That's a factor in the deal.

She wants her son -back-. NOt dead, after all. An averted war in this case gets her FAR closer to that goal.

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t_gebhardt

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Ronin by choice (Kyo) who are doing it to disavow what their parents want(as long as it's a honorable wish)?
Scum. Worthless, not a fucking chance in hell, and never adopted period, though their old clan might take them back if they agree to do what the parents want... and how publically the ronin going was. Adoption by other clans... would dishonor the adopting clan BIG time. And yes, this is where blood insult level MAY be reached.
But if you take into account that Kyo's clan is from Iwa and Kohona is not on friendly terms with Iwa his chances of adoption might increase. If Kyo brings something really nice to the table, like a maybe an emerging blood line, some really useful Jutsu or just the ultimate school of range combat it might increase his chances even more.

In Ya-chan's case she brings something very nice to the table. A working Byuakan without the caged bird seal, if I remember correctly.
 

TheClueless

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Mageohki said:
Ronin before they got disowned (Ya-chan)... depends why.? In her case, she'd be eglible now for readoption by the Hyuuga, and yes, they'd consdier it a insult if she was by anyone else.? BLood insult level... not as much, but it's still there.

*shrugs* It's complex.
Really.

A.
With Ya-chan, my understanding is that *they* kicked her out of the Hyuuga clan. In a strange way, they even added some salt to the wound, by deciding that she wasn't even worth the time and effort to place the Hyuuga (branch family) curse seal on her, before they kicked her out.

Sure, she apparently burnt her clan robes in public, but (IMO, of course) *at most* this was the equivalent of shouting "You can't fire me! I *QUIT*!" while security is carrying you towards the front door.

As such, with my limited undersanding of things, it would be much less contraversial to adopt Ya-chan than it would be to adopt Kyo.

I have no illusions, however. The Hyuuga would still scream bloody murder. And the odds are pretty high that they'd send some clan members to wash away the insult (and the threat, no matter how slight, that their bloodlimit would end up in another clan) - in blood. (Worst comes to worst, they would only send "missing-nin" branch family member.)

But if it was done by Tsunade? After learning that Naruto is legally her son, and knowing that Ya-chan is one of his "precious people"? And with the Hyuuga hyper-focused on trying to survive in the wake of the Leaf's settlement with the Rock? It might actually work. I wouldn't give it good odds, to be honest, but it's probably the best odds that Ya-chan and Kyo have of ever loosing the "Ronin" tag.

The Clueless
 
Mage, while I'm enjoying the insight into the political and marital side of Operator, and some of the Japanese cultural history there-in, that doesn't change the fact that you're spoiling the hell out of this fic. I'm honestly not sure whether I like that or hate it. :huh:
 

Fosfor

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aaa said:
*aaa pulls out can of [ b] tags and brandishes wdiff tool...

Boldness added.

BTW, Fosfor, do you prefer US or UK spelling?
No real prefferrence, to be honest.
 

Fosfor

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trevelyan1983 said:
Mage, while I'm enjoying the insight into the political and marital side of Operator, and some of the Japanese cultural history there-in, that doesn't change the fact that you're spoiling the hell out of this fic. I'm honestly not sure whether I like that or hate it. :huh:
Actually, he's not spoiling all that much, Trevelyan-kun. I'm quity of more spoilers than Mage any day. And I enjoy those discussions, nbecause they help me to scheme further.

*glassess gleam*

Dion't forget, though, that unlike most of my fiocs, Operator is not wholly about action and intrigue - it is a little bit like Warborn. Warborn is 'people in war'. Operator is Naruto as an ANBU veteran.

Or at least that's the general thought.

And on completely unrelated matter: three out of the ten exams passed! YES! And with qiute good marks, too. Of course there is still that essay about Africa to write and seven more exams to go, but two are a formality, one I can weasel out from if I accept a lower grade and that cuts down it only to four.

Hell yeah!

Damn, I just might pass. Hell, just might pass with a decent graede point average even!
 

Cornuthaum

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Go Fosfor Go (because once you're finished your creative muse will come out to frolic in many many updates, I can smell it xP and don't you contradict me and smash those few parts of blossoming hope!)
 
Fosfor said:
Actually, he's not spoiling all that much, Trevelyan-kun. I'm quity of more spoilers than Mage any day. And I enjoy those discussions, nbecause they help me to scheme further.

*glassess gleam*

Dion't forget, though, that unlike most of my fiocs, Operator is not wholly about action and intrigue - it is a little bit like Warborn. Warborn is 'people in war'. Operator is Naruto as an ANBU veteran.

Damn, I just might pass. Hell, just might pass with a decent graede point average even!
Maa...I guess I can live with it, then, Taichou - if you're OK with it, all is well. ^_^

*Slides Shinsou back into his obi.*

(Hearing spoilers and reading the actual source material are, of course, totally different. It's always better to experience it than to hear about it, after all.)

Also, I'm glad to hear that th exams are being conquered. Just another step on the path to your ambition, Fosfor-han. Whatever said ambition might be, of course. Not that lil ol' me would know anything of the sort. Not at all. B)
 
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