Ranma ½ Ozz updated something

TerraBull · Sep 20, 2011

So no Ryoga showing up, proclaiming because of him, he saw Hell!

I am curious if the Succubi were named beings, famous and from other series/ anime.

Cologne will be making a big mistake soon I think..

How many minions/ subordinates has Ranma gathered so far? We do not even know the rank of the one that got Gos?

I am curious about the SM fallout.

Shaderic · Sep 20, 2011

One: Read the chapter.

The line has been crossed. From here, there can be no turning back.

No, seriously, things have passed over the rubicon now. Nothing will be quite the same, not Ranma, and not Hild. For all that he's still technically mortal, Ranma qualifies, technically, as a demon. Not that he didn't have the ability to pass for one before, but now it's practically official.

Makes me wonder if he'll get a doublet in the future. Probably not, seeing as he isn't actually a demon. But it's possible.

Two: Are we going to see more AMG?

I kind of want to see a scene with K1 in this fic. Yeah, we had his name dropped in the first chapter, but that's it. I don't really know why, but I do. It's not like he'll bring much in, other than maybe a scene where he talks about the time he grew breasts and long hair (note: This actually happened), and talk about awkward it made him feel, so he can sympathize with Ranma.

So sue me, I like Keichi.

This'd also be the time where Urd realizes what the hell just happened. Not with Nabiki, but with Ranma. You handled the more emotional scenes pretty well this chapter, so I look forward to seeing you touch on Urd's reaction to her new sis/bro in the next.

Thirdly: A new name?

That's... a big step. I'd recommend something vaguely norse, but I have no idea what good norse names are.

Sticking with Daimakaichoko could work, but that's more of a title than a proper name... Although it's better then 'Onigami' by a long shot.

violetshadows · Sep 20, 2011

It's your story, but personally I can't say I'm too thrilled about the idea of a new name: all in all it would feel kind of forced to me. Daimakaichoko could work as a kind of gag where many of the demons address him as Daimakaichoko Ranma and people overhearing it leap to the wrong conclusions, but as an official name and not a title it doesn't really work for me. Personally, I can see this as being realistically played out one of two ways; either he keeps his name just Ranma - because lets face it, Ranma doesn't really encounter paperwork all that often and never really cared about the minutia of polite society - or he keeps calling himself Ranma Saotome. Sure its a little awkward given his new family dynamic, but its got the force of habit and tradition behind it: plus, when it comes to things that aren't martially orientated, Ranma is a little lazy.

Ultimately, I suppose it depends on how much you want to play up Ranma in a new life; you didn't make any physical changes because they weren't needed and would have almost come off as cliche, I kind of feel a name change would undermine that, because when you get right down to it, they're kind of the same thing.

Ranma is Ranma is Ranma: I suppose that's just enough for me.

Anyway, if he's going to get a new name it should be whatever Hild uses; I'm not familiar with AMG, but is she ever addressed as anything other than Hild, even when she's using a fake allias? I mean, I'm pretty sure Urd was always just Urd, even when her and her mother were on better terms: why would Ranma be anything but Ranma?

Bah, this has turned way too long winded, since I'm tired as hell; if you can't come up with anything just have Hild troll Ranma a little for a light laugh, just because he's family now, that doesn't mean she's not gonna fuck with him a little - hell, she should probably fuck with him a bit more if only because that's what family does. I'm not talking about the hell Genma put him through, but messing with him a bit, could work if you play it as humor. The sentamentalism is nice and all, but its getting close to unrealistic for me.

Space_Mook · Sep 20, 2011

Ranma Albark, incase he's a fan of <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmFEXNpmCLA' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Super Robot Wars and Apotheosized Ialdabaoth </a>

TeflonBooger · Sep 20, 2011

TerraBull said:

Alright, I'm still playing plot close to my chest, but to answer some of the major questions--

-What fun would it be if Ryoga didn't show up after what he's been through?
-Every succubus named has a series, except one, which originated here.
-Odinsdottir... Uhg. Spent the afternoon pouring over languages, names and mythologies until I puked.
-More AMG to come, and some Keichi. Some Hinako too

And the biggest point of contention: A new family name. I've thought hard on this there is a large part of me that screams to keep Saotome for continuity and readability alone.

It's my belief that I would betray Ranma's character evolution if I didn't, however. The guy basically told his parents to take a hike. He loathed the situation so much he told reality to screw off. At that point, I have to ask, is he really going to be okay with being associated with a liar and a thief for a father and batshit crazy mother?

Arguments can go either way from here.

Also keep in mind that there is a sizable faction in Nerima that can still point to Ranma and say "yes that's ranma saotome and it says so on his records even though you don't remember him." Taken further, genma can still claim Ranma Saotome is their child, still play cons using the family name and use Ranma as a scape goat. Sure the records will be disassociated from the family, but still have the name Saotome (what a coincidence!) along with collaborating testimony from the rest of the NWC (more unhealthy coincidence!). Changing the family name removes Ranma further from that unhealthy tragedy of needless coincidence. yes, coincidence can be funny ha-ha plot, but we just changed goddamn reality to get away from that bs. There's plenty of comedy to go around without using this as a gag too.

At the other end of the spectrum, I'm asking how much harm does it do from a readability standpoint? The only answer I can come up with is not much since I won't be bringing up the new family name every other paragraph, nor does it mary-sue Ranma upon mention (depending on which readers here you talk to, of course). Effectively, I won't be changing Ranma beyond the track the fic has already taken, i won't be mentioning the new family name every other sentence, paragraph or even scene. It will be a pivot point in the certain plot, but not something the fic will hang by.

Hopefully that clarifies the thought process a tad.

Nights all

Dumbledork · Sep 20, 2011

How about 'Hildsdottir' for the female version and 'Hildsson' for the male version?

Revan · Sep 20, 2011

I kind of like how a "Let's jointly bitch about Ozz updating" thread has been hijacked by the author in question.

It makes me giggle, a lot.

Anyway, why not just have Ranma drop his last name completely? Maybe have it as a personal thing; he just doesn't refer to himself as Ranma Saotome, but just as Ranma?

...I think my sentence is fucked up, so I'm gonna disappear before I herp anymore.

CatOnFire · Sep 20, 2011

Ranma Daimakai

PCHeintz72 · Sep 20, 2011

Heh... It kind of does from a demon standpoint...

Just look how the one in the latest chapter acted once he knew he was toying with.

Overall Im fine with the story as is so far. Only disappointment is you left us hanging on the Hinako subplot as to what occured regarding getting her fixed.

As for the name... I'm a fence sitter... but... as you said, unless you are ging to have everyone start calling him by the new last name, I do not think it will be too intrusive.

I've no suggestions as to what it should be.

Raneko · Sep 20, 2011

I think a new family name makes sense. It's not like this is one of those stories where the character is refereed to by their last name.

Elvarein · Sep 20, 2011

Lawra said:

Oy vey. I think I made a mistake there, I thought I read it somewhere before, but after searching I could not find it.

I guess I was really really wrong.

varth · Sep 20, 2011

Im looking forward to seeing if Ryoga develops Loliken, deathly phobia of prepubescent girls. If one focuses on him, and he cannot get lost (Chibi-Hinako!), he snaps and reverts to a child himself

Sledgehammer · Sep 20, 2011

I read a Ranma/Digimon cross many moons ago, where Ranma lost his memory, and decided to take 'Digio' As his family name. That effectively ruined every other fic where Ranma gets a new name for me for the rest of my life.

Seed00 · Sep 20, 2011

Dumbledork said:

How about 'no'. HildsDotter,is the same as putting Odinsdotter if he were ralated to the Goddesses. Not the first time it happened.

ANd, yes, I realize I offered no alternatives. Besides, every other supernal who happens to know Hild will continue to refer to him as Daimakaichoko, unless of course he starts making a name for himself, and evebtually everyone simply knows him as Ranma.

rdde · Sep 20, 2011

I'm with having no last names either. Hild and Urd doesn't have one or it was never mentioned and it would be silly for Ranma to have one or to mention it. Ranma might even have a harder time gaining respect or obedience from the higher level demons if he does have a last name. :lol:

shioran toushin · Sep 20, 2011

a reality altered by the UF that has everyone accepting that Ranma has no last name, like urd,Hild and presumibly Odin when he goes to earth.

thermopyle2 · Sep 20, 2011

There's really only two ways it could play, from a characterization standpoint. 1: Ranma leaving his old family behind is enough of a step at this point, and leaving him without a last name, at least for now, is as far as he wants to go. 2: Ranma wants to jump all the way into being Hild's daughter, whether that's for a sense of belonging or to distance himself further from his old family, and takes on a Hild-related name to reflect it (which may also be no last name at all, if that's appropriate to fit Hild not having a last name.)

coconutED · Sep 21, 2011

Add scene:

Ranma: So, what's our family name?

Hild pulls up Ranma's file and points to a line near the top.

Ranma:?

...

... :sweat2: .... :huh.:

Hild:? Don't worry, it's hard for humans to pronounce, but you'll get it eventually.

Ranma: Oh, OK...whatever.

Problem solved

shioran toushin · Sep 21, 2011

he already shot that down i believe :huh.:

Matdeception · Sep 21, 2011

thermopyle2 said:

Wait, Hild considers Ranma her daughter?

I actually haven't read this fic past the one scene where Hild was talking to Mara and kept referring to Ranma as a her even when his file said he was born male.

That one scene actually seemed to be leading down Ozzalos penchant for Ranma-chan fics, or he was including some facet of Hild that desperatly wants a daughter, or he was just trolling the lot of us. I wouldn't put any of it pas him

But now that you say 'Hilds' daughter...

biigoh · Sep 21, 2011

But Ranma is also noted as Hild's son... so.... ^_^

shioran toushin · Sep 21, 2011

Hild considers Ranma her child, Son and Daughter, but she and Ranma are more accostumed to a Mother-Daughter relationship than a Mother-Son one.

Drawde · Sep 21, 2011

Basically, Hild originally planned on leading Ranma into using his female form, in order to mess up his life. So most of the time she spent with Ranma, he was female. Hild even used feminine pronouns when talking about Ranma.

But then came Mother's Day, and Ranma left Hild a card, knowing Urd never would. That, and the time she'd already spent with Ranma, convinced Hild to change her plans.

Ranma spent most of his time with Hild as a female, both simply because that's how they'd done things so far, and because Hild has a daughter that refuses to aknowledge her. But he has been male around her at times.

varth · Sep 21, 2011

No need to spoil, when just saying "Unusual Ranma Effect leading to familial rather than sexual feelings" should be enough. Or at least add spoiler warning.

PCHeintz72 · Sep 21, 2011

varth said:

The point though, is there is actual background and plot set up to support the relationship. It is not some magical deus ex machina wave of hand that Hild could likely have done to instill this (this *is* hild we are talking about, she very well *could* have done that)... she went about this the long way.

Whether people like the content or not, it was attempted to make it believeable within context...

Personally, overall I've liked it.

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